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Post by correctamundo on Mar 2, 2019 15:30:27 GMT
What is objectivity when it comes to the media we consume? C’mon, loading screens are objectively bad. Who is going to argue that more loading screens makes a game better? There are objective criteria we can all agree to, and for some of them, Anthem gets low marks. That’s just a fact. Denying facts undermines credibility, and yes that applies to haters as well. So how much should loading screens deduct from a "score" then?
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 15:41:28 GMT
C’mon, loading screens are objectively bad. Who is going to argue that more loading screens makes a game better? There are objective criteria we can all agree to, and for some of them, Anthem gets low marks. That’s just a fact. Denying facts undermines credibility, and yes that applies to haters as well. So how much should loading screens deduct from a "score" then? Oh believe me, there are more to loading screens in terms of the Anthem problems. Played Division 2 bets last night and dealt with virtually 0 loading screens....
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 2, 2019 15:51:10 GMT
So how much should loading screens deduct from a "score" then? Oh believe me, there are more to loading screens in terms of the Anthem problems. Played Division 2 bets last night and dealt with virtually 0 loading screens.... It was a simple question. To hard for you it seems. Still, if you didn't have any loading screens in The Division 2 then you didn't play the game.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 2, 2019 15:52:39 GMT
So how much should loading screens deduct from a "score" then? Oh believe me, there are more to loading screens in terms of the Anthem problems. Played Division 2 bets last night and dealt with virtually 0 loading screens.... Oh my TD2 is blowing me away. I mean, hang on - it's not groundbreaking. It's not, it's just solid. But in comparison to Anthem, it's like a next-gen title. It took me getting into a car that is actually a car to realize for the past week I've been trying to drive this thing around: i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/86/06/5c8606eb96a6f088272fc6f39ebf8660.jpg
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 16:01:40 GMT
Oh believe me, there are more to loading screens in terms of the Anthem problems. Played Division 2 bets last night and dealt with virtually 0 loading screens.... It was a simple question. To hard for you it seems. Still, if you didn't have any loading screens in The Division 2 then you didn't play the game. Hah! Not to mention the sound bugs and even more generic AI.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 16:04:19 GMT
Oh believe me, there are more to loading screens in terms of the Anthem problems. Played Division 2 bets last night and dealt with virtually 0 loading screens.... It was a simple question. To hard for you it seems. Still, if you didn't have any loading screens in The Division 2 then you didn't play the game. Well I didnt need a loading screen to change my gear/weapons....
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Post by cypherj on Mar 2, 2019 16:04:30 GMT
C’mon, loading screens are objectively bad. Who is going to argue that more loading screens makes a game better? There are objective criteria we can all agree to, and for some of them, Anthem gets low marks. That’s just a fact. Denying facts undermines credibility, and yes that applies to haters as well. So how much should loading screens deduct from a "score" then?
Just like anything else it based on how much it interferes with someone's ability to play or enjoy the game. It's like when someone says bugs. Some people get bugs that others don't so they have no frame of reference when someone says the game is unplayable, or someone says they're not bad or gamebreaking I don't see the big deal.
In the case of loading screens though. I counted the other day after I logged into the game.
1) Fort Tarsis 2) Forge 3) Fort Tarsis 4) Mission Select screen 5) Missions start 6) Mission location/Stronghold
YOU HAVEN"T EVEN DONE ANY REAL PLAYING YET. Heaven forbid your group is already in the field, because you can add another one for getting teleported to your group. And you still haven't done any real playing yet.
7) Reward Screen 8) Back into the world 9) Fort Tarsis
I have an SSD drive so this isn't the end of the world. But I can't imagine how horrendous this is for someone playing on a regular HD. If they wanted to deduct major points from their score for this they'd be well within their rights.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 16:07:09 GMT
So how much should loading screens deduct from a "score" then?
Just like anything else it based on how much it interferes with someone's ability to play or enjoy the game. It's like when someone says bugs. Some people get bugs that others don't so they have no frame of reference when someone says the game is unplayable, or someone says they're not bad or gamebreaking I don't see the big deal.
In the case of loading screens though. I counted the other day after I logged into the game.
1) Fort Tarsis 2) Forge 3) Fort Tarsis 4) Mission Select screen 5) Missions start 6) Mission location/Stronghold
YOU HAVEN"T EVEN DONE ANY REAL PLAYING YET. Heaven forbid your group is already in the field, because you can add another one for getting teleported to your group. And you still haven't done any real playing yet.
7) Reward Screen 8) Back into the world 9) Fort Tarsis
I have an SSD drive so this isn't the end of the world. But I can't imagine how horrendous this is for someone playing on a regular HD. If they wanted to deduct major points from their score for this they'd be well within their rights.
Angry Joe even did a calculation of how he spent more time in loading screens than he did for the entire gameplay portion of a mission. segmentnext.com/2019/02/21/anthems-loading-takes-more-time-than-some-of-the-missions-in-the-game/
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 2, 2019 16:11:34 GMT
Yup, games journalism has broken my trust years ago with its bias paying people off for good reviews. Even if Anthem got good reviews, I still wouldn’t trust it. C'mon Smilesja..... ..... If Anthem got good reviews across the board, that would indicate that overall Anthem is a good game and you would question that?..... Yet Witcher III got universally praised and it's got serious flaws in my opinion.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 16:15:43 GMT
C'mon Smilesja..... ..... If Anthem got good reviews across the board, that would indicate that overall Anthem is a good game and you would question that?..... Yet Witcher III got universally praised and it's got serious flaws in my opinion. Hey don’t mention Witcher 3 you’ll get lambasted as a Biodrone by folks here.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 16:16:32 GMT
C'mon Smilesja..... ..... If Anthem got good reviews across the board, that would indicate that overall Anthem is a good game and you would question that?..... Yet Witcher III got universally praised and it's got serious flaws in my opinion. New England Patriots also has some serious flaws but is a great team. All games has serious flaws and some really bad ones depending on your perspective. But your example is weak because unlike TW3, Anthem is not seen as an industry game changer. I doubt you will see future GaaS titles look to Anthem for inspiration. I doubt Anthen will be put in the "top 10 games of the decade" category. Nor will Anthem be nominated for any GOTY. CDPR is just far too advanced than Bioware current. CDPR is what Bioware used to be circa 2001-2007.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 16:19:58 GMT
Yet Witcher III got universally praised and it's got serious flaws in my opinion. New England Patriots also has some serious flaws but is a great team. All games has serious flaws and some really bad ones depending on your perspective. But your example is weak because unlike TW3, Anthem is not seen as an industry game changer. I doubt you will see future GaaS titles look to Anthem for inspiration. I doubt Anthen will be put in the "top 10 games of the decade" category. Nor will Anthem be nominated for any GOTY. CDPR is just far too advanced than Bioware current. CDPR is what Bioware used to be circa 2001-2007. Hah! Top ten games are always wrong according to gamers.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 2, 2019 16:44:06 GMT
C'mon Smilesja..... ..... If Anthem got good reviews across the board, that would indicate that overall Anthem is a good game and you would question that?..... Yet Witcher III got universally praised and it's got serious flaws in my opinion. "Universally praised" does not mean "was considered perfect in every way shape or form."
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 16:50:14 GMT
Yet Witcher III got universally praised and it's got serious flaws in my opinion. "Universally praised" does not mean "was considered perfect in every way shape or form." Not the way people use it around here. you’d think these universally praised games are masterpieces that are above criticism.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 17:02:19 GMT
Hmmmm so you come back after all these years to insult me. I have not bought the full game, but I did play the demo and enjoyed it with the intentions of buying the full game. Liking a game is subjective guys but apparently when it comes to a game you don’t like that pretense is dropped. If anyone expresses a positive view on Anthem or Andromeda they get branded as a fanboy or shill. Actually I came to get more peoples views and opinions as I like to read reviews both professional and from users and then make a decision. It just so happens that you're still here banging the Bioware drum and not only that, you're saying the same things you did 2 years ago. How did ME A turn out for ya then? I recall you said lots of DLC and stuff would be coming... A demo doesn't help your knighting cause as you've still not bought the game. Decision answered and because it's not a franchise I care about, not only will not be buying the game, I won't even be bothered to hang around these forums sparring with you and your gaggle of shield bearers. Yea, yea, I know. You'll be happy for me not embarrassing you as I used to eh When ME A was released, I knew the Bioware I loved was dead and now Anthem has finally sealed it. These forums match the wider view I'm seeing on Reddit and Youtube and that the game is not only meh, it's another SWBF2 and BFV live service, drip feed, string the customer along, all in the name of "Free DLC"... EA and Bioware haven't learned and won't learn until people stop buying into the live service crap and we can get back to games released with full content and fully paid for DLC that actually has things in it. And no I don't mean the SWBF1 debacle where they decided to release a content light game and then make you pay to actually give you full content that should have been their in the first place. BF1, BF2, BF3, BF4, BFBC etc. I had no problem buying DLCs for those games and so did many others. Want to know what's going to happen to this game? Go check out the SWBF2 forums. Death by a thousand cuts. It’s really strange that because I or anyone else say anything positive about the game we get labeled as a fanboy or a white knight as you put it. And embarrassing? come on Solomance you spent the whole time doomsaying about Biowares demise and then get all antsy whenever someone calls you out. Embarrassing? Hah! BioWare is far from dead and there is many others who enjoy Anthem and believe that it can be better. And Battlefront 2? Have you seen the game now? It’s much better than it was at launch to the point where they made a brand new trailer for it: You want to know something Solmance? I may have yet to buy the game, but I didn’t defend the NPCs or the Story since I don’t know much about them. What I am defending are those who feel the need to belittle others for having a positive experience on the game. What happened to subjectivity? Of games are art than that means art is subjective? Why feel the need to call people fanboys and biodrones because they have a different perspective than you? But whatever majes- I mean Solomance, continue to bang the drum of Biowares supposed demise.
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Post by duckley on Mar 2, 2019 17:13:20 GMT
I am not playing the game but I may try the SP at some point so I do read a few forums to see how players are enjoying Anthem or not. Given the negativity of the reviews (some seem fair minded and reasonable critiques and others seem unnecessarily nasty) I am surprized at how many do seem to enjoy the game.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 2, 2019 17:15:06 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised. It's just terrible. When you're already giving people the bare bones of a game, you just can't have self inflicted wounds like this. You just can't. You should be able to do so much more in the live world. Change gear, pick missions, see the rewards to name a few.
But sadly, this isn't even the biggest flaw in the game. Not even one of the top ones.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 2, 2019 17:18:35 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised. It's just terrible. When you're already giving people the bare bones of a game, you just can't have self inflicted wounds like this. You just can't. You should be able to do so much more in the live world. Change gear, pick missions, see the rewards to name a few.
But sadly, this isn't even the biggest flaw in the game. Not even one of the top ones.
I wonder if it’s some technical issue. Andromeda you had to get to a forward station or the tempest to change a loadout. It made sense in setting so I never thought about it but I wonder if they just couldn’t do in the field inventory changes.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 17:19:30 GMT
New England Patriots also has some serious flaws but is a great team. All games has serious flaws and some really bad ones depending on your perspective. But your example is weak because unlike TW3, Anthem is not seen as an industry game changer. I doubt you will see future GaaS titles look to Anthem for inspiration. I doubt Anthen will be put in the "top 10 games of the decade" category. Nor will Anthem be nominated for any GOTY. CDPR is just far too advanced than Bioware current. CDPR is what Bioware used to be circa 2001-2007. Hah! Top ten games are always wrong according to gamers. 2 questions, 1) Witcher 3 will not be considered as a top 10 game of this decade? 2) Anthem will be considered as a top 10 game this decade? Something tells me you wont directly answer but instead beat around the bush or reply with some dismissive witty comment.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 17:25:39 GMT
Hah! Top ten games are always wrong according to gamers. 2 questions, 1) Witcher 3 will not be considered as a top 10 game of this decade? 2) Anthem will be considered as a top 10 game this decade? Something tells me you wont directly answer but instead beat around the bush or reply with some dismissive witty comment. Probably for 1 and probably not for 2? But I don’t care about top ten games according to journalists but if there’s one thing I do know, that we gamers love to do is to tell other people that their top ten lists are wrong. It’s nice for you to think I’m witty, I do my best Solo- I mean Majesticjazz.
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Post by solomace on Mar 2, 2019 17:32:08 GMT
Actually I came to get more peoples views and opinions as I like to read reviews both professional and from users and then make a decision. It just so happens that you're still here banging the Bioware drum and not only that, you're saying the same things you did 2 years ago. How did ME A turn out for ya then? I recall you said lots of DLC and stuff would be coming... A demo doesn't help your knighting cause as you've still not bought the game. Decision answered and because it's not a franchise I care about, not only will not be buying the game, I won't even be bothered to hang around these forums sparring with you and your gaggle of shield bearers. Yea, yea, I know. You'll be happy for me not embarrassing you as I used to eh When ME A was released, I knew the Bioware I loved was dead and now Anthem has finally sealed it. These forums match the wider view I'm seeing on Reddit and Youtube and that the game is not only meh, it's another SWBF2 and BFV live service, drip feed, string the customer along, all in the name of "Free DLC"... EA and Bioware haven't learned and won't learn until people stop buying into the live service crap and we can get back to games released with full content and fully paid for DLC that actually has things in it. And no I don't mean the SWBF1 debacle where they decided to release a content light game and then make you pay to actually give you full content that should have been their in the first place. BF1, BF2, BF3, BF4, BFBC etc. I had no problem buying DLCs for those games and so did many others. Want to know what's going to happen to this game? Go check out the SWBF2 forums. Death by a thousand cuts. It’s really strange that because I or anyone else say anything positive about the game we get labeled as a fanboy or a white knight as you put it. And embarrassing? come on Solomance you spent the whole time doomsaying about Biowares demise and then get all antsy whenever someone calls you out. Embarrassing? Hah! BioWare is far from dead and there is many others who enjoy Anthem and believe that it can be better. And Battlefront 2? Have you seen the game now? It’s much better than it was at launch to the point where they made a brand new trailer for it: You want to know something Solmance? I may have yet to buy the game, but I didn’t defend the NPCs or the Story since I don’t know much about them. What I am defending are those who feel the need to belittle others for having a positive experience on the game. What happened to subjectivity? Of games are art than that means art is subjective? Why feel the need to call people fanboys and biodrones because they have a different perspective than you? But whatever majes- I mean Solomance, continue to bang the drum of Biowares supposed demise. You talk a lot and still say little. Do you really think people cannot see through your bull. "What I am defending are those who feel the need to belittle others for having a positive experience on the game.".
You never insult or belittle anyone? Nah, not you. Every post that someone says they love the game, you will find your name next to the likes. People who like the game and explain why, not a problem, but you actively go out to like every positive post and respond to every negative post with your "everything is awesome". Who told you to defend people? Can they not defend themselves or their stance that they need people like you, self appointed knights to defend them. You've not even put your money where your mouth is and bought the game!!!!!!!!!! As to SWBF2, wow a new trailer! Have you followed the game since inception? Have you seen the content its had since November 2017? No new weapons? A few maps? Poor skins? Rushed and buggy heroes? A new mode delayed for over 6 months still not released? Yea, you need to do you're homework before you come at me bro... If Anthem goes down the same route as SWBF2, then those who love the game will be gone a lot quicker than an established IP like Star Wars that's been on life support since day one of release. Enjoy that pride and accomplishment as you're gonna need it with Anthem... Oh wait a min, you've not bought it have you... Yep, as I said, you talk a lot and say little. Oh and next time, try and get my name correct. You were in such a tiss to respond with your hands blurring all over the keyboard, you couldn't even get my name right.
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Post by solomace on Mar 2, 2019 17:36:19 GMT
Hah! Top ten games are always wrong according to gamers. 2 questions, 1) Witcher 3 will not be considered as a top 10 game of this decade? 2) Anthem will be considered as a top 10 game this decade? Something tells me you wont directly answer but instead beat around the bush or reply with some dismissive witty comment. It's ground hog day with this guy. He's actually quite clueless tbh as I found out back in the ME A days where he couldn't get the blinkers off, and everyone who disliked the game was wrong and him and his 3 other knights were right. He's not witty, it's just that he's stuck in a loop and repeats the same things over and over. But guess what... HE'S NOT EVEN BOUGHT THE GAME!!!! ...
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 2, 2019 17:38:45 GMT
2 questions, 1) Witcher 3 will not be considered as a top 10 game of this decade? 2) Anthem will be considered as a top 10 game this decade? Something tells me you wont directly answer but instead beat around the bush or reply with some dismissive witty comment. Probably for 1 and probably not for 2? But I don’t care about top ten games according to journalists but if there’s one thing I do know, that we gamers love to do is to tell other people that their top ten lists are wrong. It’s nice for you to think I’m witty, I do my best Solo- I mean Majesticjazz. Well at least you answered. Now back on topic..... Caring about what critics or journalists say to us may or may not matter. However it does matter to Developers and Publishers. Why? Cause the journalist holds significant power (justified or not) over the fate of games. If Anthem had a average score of 9/10 then we would be having a different conversation now. The general conversation would now be shifted towards how Anthem has the upper hand and how Division 2 has an uphill battle. In addition, we would be talking about Anthem as possible GOTY and a new standard in GaaS. All of this as a result of review scores and critics reception.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 17:39:04 GMT
2 questions, 1) Witcher 3 will not be considered as a top 10 game of this decade? 2) Anthem will be considered as a top 10 game this decade? Something tells me you wont directly answer but instead beat around the bush or reply with some dismissive witty comment. It's ground hog day with this guy. He's actually quite clueless tbh as I found out back in the ME A days where he couldn't get the blinkers off, and everyone who disliked the game was wrong and him and his 3 other knights were right. He's not witty, it's just that he's stuck in a loop and repeats the same things over and over. But guess what... HE'S NOT EVEN BOUGHT THE GAME!!!! ... Whatever you say Majesticjazz. keep up with the misrepresentation why don’t you? And I say things over and over? Hilarious have you looked at yourself with your constant BioWare is dead nonsense you kept spouting out and constantly berating anyone who disagrees with you? I mean I have friends who don’t like Andromeda or Anthem but I respect their opinions, it’s just that I have a problem with people who always seem to insult others for having a different perspective.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 2, 2019 17:44:30 GMT
He, another guy starts to talk about Witcher 3 out of nowhere, I told you, a desire to be "outcast". Not surprising coming from someone who believes the Earth is flat.
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