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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 2, 2019 1:53:03 GMT
First of all it is good to be back. Been quite a while since I last posted. Anyway, given the financial status of EA and their crappy corporate practices ... I present to you the reasons of future disappointments for the next Mass Effect Game:
1. NOT in the Milkyway. 2. Microtransaction (don’t give me that BS “optional purchase reasonings “). 3. Live service. 4. EA HAS NO FAITH in single player games. 5. Foreign government restrictions on gambling. 6. Always online. 7. Low morale. 8. Corporate slavery. 9. Apex Legends.
P.S. I get bashed alot since like what 4 years ago when the original BioWare forums was still operational despite me and my supporters had the same outlook especially on the save the milkyway thread. People should wake the F up and let Mass Effect die already instead of seeing it mutate into something worse than Andromeda.
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I made this post long ago, the team by now SHOULD HAVE learned a lot about the mistakes in Andromeda, adopted a few ideas from other games like the Witcher and Red Dead, I am very confident that the new game will succeed. EA should have also learned by now that GAMBLING has no place in video games considering they are getting hammered by governments. Take all these facts and since that MassEffect has been shun or away from the light for so long, there is no other way than to move up or forward from here on out.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 6:14:39 GMT
Is there any evidence to low morale at BioWare?
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 2, 2019 6:38:22 GMT
Is there any evidence to low morale at BioWare? While I do not know anyone personally inside BioWare itself nor there are any insider information that BioWare is suffering from such... the fact that they responded about reports of them being shutdown indicates that there MAY perhaps be low morale. Quite common sense if you ask me given that everyone is literally throwing crap at Anthem right now whether the reasons are legitimate or not.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 6:40:54 GMT
Yongyea? He usually drums up drama especially with BioWare for clicks. Just because they responded doesn’t necessarly mean the end is near.
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Post by guanxi on Mar 2, 2019 8:14:47 GMT
The success of Cyberpunk, the Outer worlds, & Starfield will reinvigorate publisher interest in the sci fi and single player rpg genres so the funding and demand for a future Mass Effect reboot will be there. I'm glad Andromeda flopped in a way because it was a terrible direction for the series and hopefully it will be what Unity was for Assassin's Creed a turning point prompting a complete rethink which was completely necessary for the series to survive.
Things can only get better from here on out imo... after 3 BioWare games on frostbite they will have all the systems in place now prior to development so the development processes of future BioWare games should be much smoother, more productive and conducive to developing great games again after very rough transitional period which should finally start to bear fruit.
The studio now have a live service vehicle for delivering multiplayer focused aggressive monetization practices for their publisher and that's where all that guff belongs. I really do think both the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series will pivot to a single player focus (incorporating single player recurrent spending monetization practices like Ubisoft) and will consequently will be in much healthier shape both critically and commercially going forwards so I'm cautiously optimistic for BioWare - the worst is over now failing a complete studio closure.
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Post by urkibalurki on Mar 2, 2019 10:05:19 GMT
Does this thread make any sense? Talking about a game that doesn't exist yet is preposterous!
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Post by MrR40 on Mar 2, 2019 11:05:04 GMT
First of all it is good to be back. Been quite a while since I last posted. Anyway, given the financial status of EA and their crappy corporate practices ... I present to you the reasons of future disappointments for the next Mass Effect Game: 1. NOT in the Milkyway. 2. Microtransaction (don’t give me that BS “optional purchase reasonings “). 3. Live service. 4. EA HAS NO FAITH in single player games.5. Foreign government restrictions on gambling. 6. Always online. 7. Low morale. 8. Corporate slavery. 9. Apex Legends. P.S. I get bashed alot since like what 4 years ago when the original BioWare forums was still operational despite me and my supporters had the same outlook especially on the save the milkyway thread. People should wake the F up and let Mass Effect die already instead of seeing it mutate into something worse than Andromeda. 1. Depends on the writing imo 2. Lots of backlash, not that EA might care but at this moment inconclusive 3. Inconclusive 4. Not yet but as guanxi mentioned, they might become fashionable again if you will. 5. Companies will always try to bend rules to the fullest. 6. You mean a type of DRM ? If it works and doesnt install malware or anything. 7. Inconclusive at this time, Anthem is still in the running so to speak and the next DA is on the horizon. So it might go up and down. 8. Not sure how tight EA holds Bioware's leash. 9. Games come and go, just like game genres. And their amount of respective players. A lot of people hold ME in high regard and as a standard for future installments. Andromeda did not reach the same height sure ( Mitigating circumstance was the troubled production imho ) but to many ( me included ) it was an allright game. Letting the franchise die because of a failed sequel seems a bit harsh. The above is mostly personal and sorry if it doesn't make sense occasionally; 24 hrs without sleep and heavy labour...
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Post by natetrace on Mar 2, 2019 11:19:18 GMT
I don't think the setting matters much, whatever galaxy it's in. Plenty of potential in both galaxies. What does matter is if they restrict the story and choices even more than what you see with Anthem. Apex Legends is a good BR game, sure. But BR games are nothing without players. And they can be very flash in the pan.
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Post by simit on Mar 2, 2019 12:38:10 GMT
Pretty sure EA said Linear single player experiences not single player games but yeah whatever
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 2, 2019 17:51:02 GMT
Does this thread make any sense? Talking about a game that doesn't exist yet is preposterous! That's like saying this forum section is pointless since it was created for the sole purpose of "future of mass effect".
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 2, 2019 17:54:51 GMT
Anthem doesn't seem to have received especially good reviews. They're downright terrible from critics and users alike (60 and 4/5 out of 10). I've heard it's hardly anything more than a grind. Not encouraging.
As for MEA, it tended to get better reviews. Problems had nothing to do with SP vs MP. People generally were looking for a tougher protagonist. Major glitches at release also didn't help. Shore up those things and there's a game people are looking to play. There's nothing wrong with MP but that won't work with ME and DA. Anthem was a shot at the MP genre and it doesn't look like it worked. It did go over better as an aspect of an SP game. I know people enjoyed playing MP in ME3 and some who hated MEA liked the MP part. However, as a standalone it's not what people are seeking, at least not from BioWare. They're looking for a solid SP game.
So let's look at an MMORPG that did okay from BW. SWTOR. You never have to spend a single moment interacting with other players. You get a storyline and different types of characters to play and multiple ways to start. MMORPG was able to bring SP into the game and that was successful.
I think you have a highly overrated idea of how things are going to work. I don't know how it's going to work but neither to you.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 2, 2019 17:55:58 GMT
It will all depend if Bioware/EA will learn from their mistakes or not. Anthem and Andromeda were pretty rough warnings, despite some stupid fanboys saying the games were great and they should continue on that route.
I feel if it depended only on Bioware, they could fix it. But EA... ugh.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 2, 2019 17:58:10 GMT
Does this thread make any sense? Talking about a game that doesn't exist yet is preposterous! Sub-forum title says it does make sense. It's all theory and guesswork. I don't agree with anything he said but he's not off-base with his speculation.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 2, 2019 18:08:55 GMT
Eh I enjoyed Andromeda so hopefully they create a sequel surrounding it. There’s a lot of unanswered questions and they shouldn’t abandon it.
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Post by urkibalurki on Mar 2, 2019 18:12:59 GMT
Does this thread make any sense? Talking about a game that doesn't exist yet is preposterous! That's like saying this forum section is pointless since it was created for the sole purpose of "future of mass effect". This is not about future of ME; this is about butchering a game many years before it comes out. It's completely different.
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Post by urkibalurki on Mar 2, 2019 18:15:00 GMT
Does this thread make any sense? Talking about a game that doesn't exist yet is preposterous! Sub-forum title says it does make sense. It's all theory and guesswork. I don't agree with anything he said but he's not off-base with his speculation. As I said to the OP: this is not speculation: it's butchering a game many years before it comes out.
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Post by mgsmsc on Mar 2, 2019 18:39:56 GMT
Although ME:A and Anthem present a worrying downward trend, I don't think it would be doomed to failure. I didn't have any problem with the setting of Andromeda, I had more of an issue in the lack of polish across the game. Especially the script.
I think a bigger problem than EAs policy is whether they will allow the developers time to actually finish and maybe even test the game. If only Anthem and ME:A had been afforded that luxury.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 21:58:56 GMT
Clickbait... I'm speculating that the ongoing trend of malicious clickbait will continue to destroy creator/dev enthusiasm within the industry. Games in general will tend to get less imaginative and they all try to mold themselves to fit the cookie-cutter, all games the same (with zombies, etc.) mentality of Youtube. Fewer games will be produced each year and those games will be less and less ambitious. More will seem to be copies of others. Bioware will not be the only dev subjected to merciless thrashings every time they launch a new game. The public will continue to complain that games are getting worse and worse... viscious circle that goes nowhere good.
Eventually, money for the development of new games will dry up as more and more of the older, wealthier players in the industry decide that they're better off just cashing in and retiring to some beach rather than risking the development of the next game to be put up on the Youtube stage for these so-called pundits to toss their eggs at. Eventually, those pundits will also run out of games to analyze and re-analyze and analyze again.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 2, 2019 23:05:10 GMT
Sub-forum title says it does make sense. It's all theory and guesswork. I don't agree with anything he said but he's not off-base with his speculation. As I said to the OP: this is not speculation: it's butchering a game many years before it comes out. I actually disagree with everything the guy says. I suppose I get your point. He's not speculating on what we could expect in the game so much as predicting why and how it will fail.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 3, 2019 4:29:15 GMT
This is pointless. Why make reasons for a game to fail? Anthem isnt a failure its gaining traction and MEA was a misstep in some ways but overall a great game.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 3, 2019 4:42:51 GMT
I think a bigger problem than EAs policy is whether they will allow the developers time to actually finish and maybe even test the game. If only Anthem and ME:A had been afforded that luxury. Too bad ME3 was given 5 years like MEA or nearly 7 years like Anthem for Bioware to do what they originally wanted to do. I'm sure the game would be different from what was shipped.
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Post by bshep on Mar 3, 2019 5:19:05 GMT
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ...
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 3, 2019 6:27:47 GMT
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ... The Future of MassEffect and the cancer that BioWare has turned into? also the constant denial of most "fans" which lead to this crap show?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 3, 2019 14:32:39 GMT
Although ME:A and Anthem present a worrying downward trend, I don't think it would be doomed to failure. I didn't have any problem with the setting of Andromeda, I had more of an issue in the lack of polish across the game. Especially the script.I think a bigger problem than EAs policy is whether they will allow the developers time to actually finish and maybe even test the game. If only Anthem and ME:A had been afforded that luxury. If they do these things better along with execution, i can't see this game fail.... Reviewers weren't that hard on the game compared to the people, and their arguments were way overblown(ugly faces, uninteresting characters, facial animations, glitches). As if other games isn't full of the last thing i mentioned, and that was fixed in the patches. Yes the animations were stiff, graphics could have been better like they originally looked, script too. Can't agree on the characters thing because they looked ok to me and pretty realistic, some i liked more than others but overall fine. If we compare them with me1 squad they did a better job. Both Reviewers and the people were comparing the game with the whole og. You can't do that, comparing it with 1 ok.... Andromeda though doesn't try to be on par with the trilogy or even surpass it but rather be It's own thing, and this is something the developers might had in mind.
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