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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2019 21:59:55 GMT
It wasn't the initial pitch which sank Anthem, it was the implementation. Do you think people would be equally susceptible to a pitch for Anthem 2, after the original's implementation? I sincerely doubt it. I had no interest in the initial pitch. If MEA had gotten that pitch I'd never have bought it. In fact, BW actually pitched MEA differently than the game turned out. In the pitch, everything was sunshine and roses. In the game it was The Walking Dead. I think they could have found the actual golden worlds but maybe they were already inhabited or they were attacked by a conquering race.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 11, 2019 22:23:20 GMT
Do you think people would be equally susceptible to a pitch for Anthem 2, after the original's implementation? I sincerely doubt it. I had no interest in the initial pitch. If MEA had gotten that pitch I'd never have bought it. In fact, BW actually pitched MEA differently than the game turned out. In the pitch, everything was sunshine and roses. In the game it was The Walking Dead. I think they could have found the actual golden worlds but maybe they were already inhabited or they were attacked by a conquering race. I haven't played MEA since they announced they would make no dlc for it but I don't remember it being that dark.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2019 1:08:38 GMT
I had no interest in the initial pitch. If MEA had gotten that pitch I'd never have bought it. In fact, BW actually pitched MEA differently than the game turned out. In the pitch, everything was sunshine and roses. In the game it was The Walking Dead. I think they could have found the actual golden worlds but maybe they were already inhabited or they were attacked by a conquering race. I haven't played MEA since they announced they would make no dlc for it but I don't remember it being that dark. The Nexus arrives. The Scourge rips through it. The golden worlds are all in ruins (so to speak). Jien Garson is murdered and most of the line of succession is killed off. An accountant is left in charge - one who hates a decent segment of the Nexus inhabitants. Lack of resources causes riots, helped by 1) the stupidity of Sloane Kelly (she made shitty decisions that made things worse, even with the best of intentions) and 2) Spender making deals on the side with no intention of following through. Lots of people exiled. There's not enough power to keep the entire Nexus running and even then resources are stretched thin. People who are needed to help remain in cryo because they can't afford to feed them. Most of the arks are gone or in terrible shape. This is a lose-lose situation. This is pretty damn dark for an opening.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 11:36:54 GMT
Do you think people would be equally susceptible to a pitch for Anthem 2, after the original's implementation? I sincerely doubt it. I had no interest in the initial pitch. If MEA had gotten that pitch I'd never have bought it. In fact, BW actually pitched MEA differently than the game turned out. In the pitch, everything was sunshine and roses. In the game it was The Walking Dead. I think they could have found the actual golden worlds but maybe they were already inhabited or they were attacked by a conquering race. You are missing and not addressing the point. People's perception of Bioware, Andromeda and Anthem is now in the negative. Maybe not for you, or for another 100 people here, but that is not a viable audience. If Bioware decided to go for Andromeda 2, they would be fighting an uphill battle. They do not need that right now. If Andromeda had been a massive hit, then we wouldn't be having this conversation, but since it was Montreal's tombstone, you better believe we need to have this conversation.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2019 11:53:28 GMT
This is pretty damn dark for an opening. How much of a difference would it have been if a pathfinder and sam were on the nexus traveling to Andromeda?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2019 11:58:15 GMT
I had no interest in the initial pitch. If MEA had gotten that pitch I'd never have bought it. In fact, BW actually pitched MEA differently than the game turned out. In the pitch, everything was sunshine and roses. In the game it was The Walking Dead. I think they could have found the actual golden worlds but maybe they were already inhabited or they were attacked by a conquering race. You are missing and not addressing the point. People's perception of Bioware, Andromeda and Anthem is now in the negative. Maybe not for you, or for another 100 people here, but that is not a viable audience. If Bioware decided to go for Andromeda 2, they would be fighting an uphill battle. They do not need that right now. If Andromeda had been a massive hit, then we wouldn't be having this conversation, but since it was Montreal's tombstone, you better believe we need to have this conversation. That's true of people in gaming forums and even then just the loudest people. Try asking the casual player - who make up most people who play these games - if they have any opinion on BioWare. As a past casual player, I didn't even realize I'd been playing BioWare games until 2016 and I'd been doing so as far back as Baldur's Gate. The same things will apply to MEA and Anthem. The large majority of the players will instead look at the promos and decide if it looks like something they'd want to play. I know enough casual gamers to believe this is true. All they're looking for is something to entertain. They're not looking at BW or EA as something to consider.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2019 11:59:25 GMT
This is pretty damn dark for an opening. How much of a difference would it have been if a pathfinder and sam were on the nexus traveling to Andromeda? Could have been interesting if the arrival into Andromeda was the same but Alec was involved. Yes, it would have been a very different game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 12:22:08 GMT
Try asking the casual player Tell me if they don't laugh at the mere mention of Mass Effect: Andromeda 2
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2019 12:26:40 GMT
Try asking the casual player Tell me if they don't laugh at the mere mention of Mass Effect: Andromeda 2 I think they're more or less indifferent. If promos look good then they'll play it. How is this a difficult concept for you?
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2019 12:27:57 GMT
How much of a difference would it have been if a pathfinder and sam were on the nexus traveling to Andromeda? Could have been interesting if the arrival into Andromeda was the same but Alec was involved. Yes, it would have been a very different game. Alec wouldn't need to be involved.
What could have happened is, after arriiving on the nexus, Ryder learns they lost contact with their pathfinder while he/she was on Eos. Ryder heads there to find out what happened as well as setting up a colony on the planet.
Or, after arriving on the nexus, Ryder learns the pathfinder was killed when the scourge got in the way, and it caused enough damage that it made sam inoperable.
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Post by 10k on Apr 12, 2019 12:30:08 GMT
I don't remember Andromeda being pitched as a "sunshines and rainbows" type of deal. Because I was actually interested in the pitch of Andromeda; go to another galaxy to make a new home for humanity, I was hyped. So much so, I went against my instincts and pre-ordered the deluxe edition. I thought the player was going to find another galactic community in Andromeda with its own species, like in the milky way, and play either diplomate or conqueror. Instead we ended up in the middle of nowhere, meeting only 1 new race of aliens, and doing sudoku puzzles to turn on massive air purifiers. All the squadmates were basically rehashes of some of the previous squadmates but with sassy attitudes. And the story was just a smaller variant of the Reaper conflict. Not only that but Ryder could never be the "bad guy." All of his responses to everything was either nice, or reasonable. It really irritated me when the asari girl launched that escape pod onto an active volcanic planet without concern for the team, and you couldn't chew her out. I mean what she did was just stupid, and she wasn't the only one who did stupid things.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 12:41:24 GMT
Tell me if they don't laugh at the mere mention of Mass Effect: Andromeda 2 I think they're more or less indifferent. If promos look good then they'll play it. How is this a difficult concept for you? Andromeda had good promos. Anthem had some of the best fucking promos in the biz. Not enough people bought these games.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2019 15:37:59 GMT
I think they're more or less indifferent. If promos look good then they'll play it. How is this a difficult concept for you? Andromeda had good promos. Anthem had some of the best fucking promos in the biz. Not enough people bought these games. You just proved what I was saying! I said that the promos for MEA were vastly different than the game we got. Anthem didn't interest me at all. I play for the story.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 15:58:56 GMT
Andromeda had good promos. Anthem had some of the best fucking promos in the biz. Not enough people bought these games. You just proved what I was saying! I said that the promos for MEA were vastly different than the game we got. Anthem didn't interest me at all. I play for the story. It got great promos, but it still closed down the studio. If that is your point, it is a poor one.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 12, 2019 16:14:27 GMT
This is pretty damn dark for an opening. How much of a difference would it have been if a pathfinder and sam were on the nexus traveling to Andromeda? None at all. The writers would have had the pathfinder killed and the SAM destroyed by the Scourge.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 12, 2019 16:23:21 GMT
How much of a difference would it have been if a pathfinder and sam were on the nexus traveling to Andromeda? None at all. The writers would have had the pathfinder killed and the SAM destroyed by the Scourge. Of course. Read my post below the one you quoted
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2019 16:23:23 GMT
You just proved what I was saying! I said that the promos for MEA were vastly different than the game we got. Anthem didn't interest me at all. I play for the story. It got great promos, but it still closed down the studio. If that is your point, it is a poor one. Do you have proof that it was MEA, which was a financial success btw, was what shut down the studio and nothing else was involved?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 16:37:21 GMT
It got great promos, but it still closed down the studio. If that is your point, it is a poor one. Do you have proof that it was MEA, which was a financial success btw, was what shut down the studio and nothing else was involved? So we're going to pretend that the Jason Schreier article about Andromeda doesn't exist, then?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2019 16:59:11 GMT
Do you have proof that it was MEA, which was a financial success btw, was what shut down the studio and nothing else was involved? So we're going to pretend that the Jason Schreier article about Andromeda doesn't exist, then? Read my question again. Do you have any proof that it was only because of MEA?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 17:01:31 GMT
So we're going to pretend that the Jason Schreier article about Andromeda doesn't exist, then? Read my question again. Do you have any proof that it was only because of MEA? Jason does. Do you have proof of the opposite?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2019 17:03:48 GMT
You just proved what I was saying! I said that the promos for MEA were vastly different than the game we got. Anthem didn't interest me at all. I play for the story. It got great promos, but it still closed down the studio. If that is your point, it is a poor one. No. The point was the promos will bring people in. For the majority, the reputation of the studio isn't a factor.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2019 17:03:59 GMT
Read my question again. Do you have any proof that it was only because of MEA? Jason does. Do you have proof of the opposite? Where did he say it was only because of MEA? Surely you can site where he says exactly that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 17:18:34 GMT
Jason does. Do you have proof of the opposite? Where did he say it was only because of MEA? Surely you can site where he says exactly that. How about the part where he made an entire article to talk specifically about Andromeda and how EA decided then to shutter the studio, when reports on sales and critical reception came back? Seriously, what do you hope to achieve through this line of questioning?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 17:27:05 GMT
For the majority, the reputation of the studio isn't a factor. Maybe so. But I still think that Andromeda 2, because of the memes, will stick to people. There will be a lot of negative press about it, right off the bat. People will laugh it off, probably forget it and come back to it, when it's near release, to laugh at potential memes. Meanwhile, a return to the Milky Way, will at least give people pause as to what will Bioware do. Lots of buzz and speculation for everyone But mostly, there will be a little reserved hype, as opposed to outright negativity and, quite possibly, ridicule.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 12, 2019 17:28:53 GMT
Where did he say it was only because of MEA? Surely you can site where he says exactly that. How about the part where he made an entire article to talk specifically about Andromeda and how EA decided then to shutter the studio, when reports on sales and critical reception came back? Seriously, what do you hope to achieve through this line of questioning?
So you have nothing saying it was only because of MEA. Got it.
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