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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2019 17:33:58 GMT
For the majority, the reputation of the studio isn't a factor. Maybe so. But I still think that Andromeda 2, because of the memes, will stick to people. There will be a lot of negative press about it, right off the bat. People will laugh it off, probably forget it and come back to it, when it's near release, to laugh at potential memes. Meanwhile, a return to the Milky Way, will at least give people pause as to what will Bioware do. Lots of buzz and speculation for everyone But mostly, there will be a little reserved hype, as opposed to outright negativity and, quite possibly, ridicule. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I can't personally predict the future.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 12, 2019 17:42:56 GMT
How about the part where he made an entire article to talk specifically about Andromeda and how EA decided then to shutter the studio, when reports on sales and critical reception came back? Seriously, what do you hope to achieve through this line of questioning?
So you have nothing saying it was only because of MEA. Got it. I find it hard to believe that it was because UFC didn't do well that year, yeah. Do you know something I don't?
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 12, 2019 17:48:09 GMT
A brand can become toxic. I presume they've done actual market research on this. What it told them, I couldn't say.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 13, 2019 0:32:39 GMT
I haven't played MEA since they announced they would make no dlc for it but I don't remember it being that dark. The Nexus arrives. The Scourge rips through it. The golden worlds are all in ruins (so to speak). Jien Garson is murdered and most of the line of succession is killed off. An accountant is left in charge - one who hates a decent segment of the Nexus inhabitants. Lack of resources causes riots, helped by 1) the stupidity of Sloane Kelly (she made shitty decisions that made things worse, even with the best of intentions) and 2) Spender making deals on the side with no intention of following through. Lots of people exiled. There's not enough power to keep the entire Nexus running and even then resources are stretched thin. People who are needed to help remain in cryo because they can't afford to feed them. Most of the arks are gone or in terrible shape. This is a lose-lose situation. This is pretty damn dark for an opening. Fair enough but if everything was perfect it would be rather boring
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Post by melbella on Apr 13, 2019 1:47:34 GMT
This is pretty damn dark for an opening. How much of a difference would it have been if a pathfinder and sam were on the nexus traveling to Andromeda?
Probably not much, as you state below. A PF on the Nexus likely would have been killed along with the other leaders when they hit the Scourge. Having a PF and SAM on board sure didn't stop the Hyperion from hitting it.
Or, after arriving on the nexus, Ryder learns the pathfinder was killed when the scourge got in the way, and it caused enough damage that it made sam inoperable.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 4:51:07 GMT
The Nexus arrives. The Scourge rips through it. The golden worlds are all in ruins (so to speak). Jien Garson is murdered and most of the line of succession is killed off. An accountant is left in charge - one who hates a decent segment of the Nexus inhabitants. Lack of resources causes riots, helped by 1) the stupidity of Sloane Kelly (she made shitty decisions that made things worse, even with the best of intentions) and 2) Spender making deals on the side with no intention of following through. Lots of people exiled. There's not enough power to keep the entire Nexus running and even then resources are stretched thin. People who are needed to help remain in cryo because they can't afford to feed them. Most of the arks are gone or in terrible shape. This is a lose-lose situation. This is pretty damn dark for an opening. Fair enough but if everything was perfect it would be rather boring Yeah, of course, but having the Golden Worlds conveniently all uninhabitable (except when they aren't) and then conveniently having a quick fix for them wasn't the best idea. Have the worlds be settled and need to prove ourselves in order to co-inhabit with the aliens. Or maybe the aliens are hostile. In any case, my point was that the beginning of MEA was grim.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 13, 2019 12:59:48 GMT
How much of a difference would it have been if a pathfinder and sam were on the nexus traveling to Andromeda?
Probably not much, as you state below. A PF on the Nexus likely would have been killed along with the other leaders when they hit the Scourge. Having a PF and SAM on board sure didn't stop the Hyperion from hitting it.
Or, after arriving on the nexus, Ryder learns the pathfinder was killed when the scourge got in the way, and it caused enough damage that it made sam inoperable.
At least it would make more sense. The idea the nexus didn’t have a pathfinder was a suspension of disbelief breaker. Too much of the story was settled by the time you arrived. It’s not so much that they needed a pathfinder on the nexus imo. They needed the protagonist there. By having you show up late they didn’t deliver on what they pitched the game to you as.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 14:33:14 GMT
At least it would make more sense. The idea the nexus didn’t have a pathfinder was a suspension of disbelief breaker. There's actually no reason why all of the pathfinders weren't there. The Nexus was meant to arrive first. While waiting for the arks to arrive they could have been out there pathfinding.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 13, 2019 14:37:15 GMT
How about the part where he made an entire article to talk specifically about Andromeda and how EA decided then to shutter the studio, when reports on sales and critical reception came back? Seriously, what do you hope to achieve through this line of questioning?
So you have nothing saying it was only because of MEA. Got it. Yeah I think it was only shut down because they didn't have a project for them to work on and the fact they needed more hansd on Battlefront 2 at the time to help the crunch on that game seeing as that was the next big planned release from EA back then which is why a lot of them were moved to Motive. I don't think it had anything to do with what happened with MEA as Schreier was claiming. Plus everyone at Biowaer was shifting their focus to Anthem so at the end of the day it would have just been exrta bills to pay to keep the studio running for no good reason. Granted the MEA project was mismanaged but I don't think that had anything to do with Montreal being shut down.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2019 14:59:31 GMT
So you have nothing saying it was only because of MEA. Got it. Yeah I think it was only shut down because they didn't have a project for them to work on and the fact they needed more hansd on Battlefront 2 at the time to help the crunch on that game seeing as that was the next big planned release from EA back then which is why a lot of them were moved to Motive. I don't think it had anything to do with what happened with MEA as Schreier was claiming. Plus everyone at Biowaer was shifting their focus to Anthem so at the end of the day it would have just been exrta bills to pay to keep the studio running for no good reason. Granted the MEA project was mismanaged but I don't think that had anything to do with Montreal being shut down. Didn't they actually say they were shut down to work on other projects, such as Anthem? Maybe I just heard that here as conjecture but I did hear it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 13, 2019 16:47:10 GMT
Yeah I think it was only shut down because they didn't have a project for them to work on and the fact they needed more hansd on Battlefront 2 at the time to help the crunch on that game seeing as that was the next big planned release from EA back then which is why a lot of them were moved to Motive. I don't think it had anything to do with what happened with MEA as Schreier was claiming. Plus everyone at Biowaer was shifting their focus to Anthem so at the end of the day it would have just been exrta bills to pay to keep the studio running for no good reason. Granted the MEA project was mismanaged but I don't think that had anything to do with Montreal being shut down. Didn't they actually say they were shut down to work on other projects, such as Anthem? Maybe I just heard that here as conjecture but I did hear it. I don't think they actually asid it themselves but I think it was said that a lot of the staff was moved to Motive to work on Star Wars Battlefront 2. I think the remaining Montreal staff were moved to Edmonton to continue and finish the patching process on MEA. It's possible and very likely they may have been moved onto Anthem after the 1.10 patch was done given that was the last patch they did for MEA but I can't confirm that.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 13, 2019 17:18:30 GMT
At least it would make more sense. The idea the nexus didn’t have a pathfinder was a suspension of disbelief breaker. There's actually no reason why all of the pathfinders weren't there. The Nexus was meant to arrive first. While waiting for the arks to arrive they could have been out there pathfinding. Redundancy planning would have at least one on each ark as well. Not sure how expensive making a sam is though.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 13, 2019 17:47:51 GMT
Why was the Nexus meant to arrive first, come to think of it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 17:52:22 GMT
At least it would make more sense. The idea the nexus didn’t have a pathfinder was a suspension of disbelief breaker. There's actually no reason why all of the pathfinders weren't there. The Nexus was meant to arrive first. While waiting for the arks to arrive they could have been out there pathfinding. My assumption is that Jien Garson envisioned hersself taking the primary lead when it came to exploring the galaxy when the Nexus first arrived; so she didn't assign a pathfinder to the Nexus itself. Her ego is possibly what got in the way of the Initiative being better prepared on a lot of fronts.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 13, 2019 18:11:24 GMT
Why was the Nexus meant to arrive first, come to think of it? I honestly don't know why it was meant to arrive first when the Arks had the Pathfinders. Would've made more sense if the Arks arrived first, explored Heleus and got a feel for its situation so that when the Nexus arrived, a plan could be laid out to establish a new society. But nooo, they had to have the actual capital arrive first, a full year before the actual explorers... not to mention they had the ships meant for the Pathfinders. Just what.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 13, 2019 22:08:04 GMT
Why was the Nexus meant to arrive first, come to think of it? They were going to use that year to finish construction of the Nexus and have it fully operational for the Arks when they arrived.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 15, 2019 12:31:32 GMT
So you have nothing saying it was only because of MEA. Got it. Yeah I think it was only shut down because they didn't have a project for them to work on and the fact they needed more hansd on Battlefront 2 at the time to help the crunch on that game seeing as that was the next big planned release from EA back then which is why a lot of them were moved to Motive. I don't think it had anything to do with what happened with MEA as Schreier was claiming. Plus everyone at Biowaer was shifting their focus to Anthem so at the end of the day it would have just been exrta bills to pay to keep the studio running for no good reason. Granted the MEA project was mismanaged but I don't think that had anything to do with Montreal being shut down. Bioware Montreal was supposed to keep on working on ME:A DLC as well as jump onto ME:A2, as soon as Andromeda shipped, but they didn't get the green light by EA, according to Schreier and then they started shifting personnel to internal studios and firing others.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 15, 2019 12:40:56 GMT
Yeah I think it was only shut down because they didn't have a project for them to work on and the fact they needed more hansd on Battlefront 2 at the time to help the crunch on that game seeing as that was the next big planned release from EA back then which is why a lot of them were moved to Motive. I don't think it had anything to do with what happened with MEA as Schreier was claiming. Plus everyone at Biowaer was shifting their focus to Anthem so at the end of the day it would have just been exrta bills to pay to keep the studio running for no good reason. Granted the MEA project was mismanaged but I don't think that had anything to do with Montreal being shut down. Bioware Montreal was supposed to keep on working on ME:A DLC as well as jump onto ME:A2, as soon as Andromeda shipped, but they didn't get the green light by EA, according to Schreier and then they started shifting personnel to internal studios and firing others. The reason why EA didn't give the green light is because hey needed moer people on Battlefron t2 no tbecause of MEA's supposed failures as I said in that post.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 15, 2019 12:42:36 GMT
Why was the Nexus meant to arrive first, come to think of it? They were going to use that year to finish construction of the Nexus and have it fully operational for the Arks when they arrived. Yeah I believe that was theplan bfeoer half of the staff decided to mutiny.
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 15, 2019 13:06:46 GMT
Why was the Nexus meant to arrive first, come to think of it? One of several plot holes for the sake of forced drama. The arks can dock with the Nexus, and there's no logical reason why they shouldn't have made the journey in the docked state, or at the very least in an autopilot controlled tight formation. What they did is the sci-fi variant of characters splitting up in a horror movie - "let's all split up so we are alone and defenseless when they find us".
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 15, 2019 13:17:18 GMT
The reason why EA didn't give the green light is because hey needed moer people on Battlefron t2 Are you quoting someone on that? That's the first time I'm hearing this. Hanako and I were having a conversation about this the other day and he seemed to imply that they were moved to Motive, not DICE, of which there was no source that the entire studio moved there, other than Schreier's article mentioning that some people moved there and if I recall correctly the crew that was left patching Andromeda was also moved there, but I could be wrong on that last one.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 15, 2019 15:57:49 GMT
The reason why EA didn't give the green light is because hey needed moer people on Battlefron t2 Are you quoting someone on that? That's the first time I'm hearing this. Hanako and I were having a conversation about this the other day and he seemed to imply that they were moved to Motive, not DICE, of which there was no source that the entire studio moved there, other than Schreier's article mentioning that some people moved there and if I recall correctly the crew that was left patching Andromeda was also moved there, but I could be wrong on that last one. Battlegfront 2 was worked on by multiple studios DiCE Motive and Criterion that much I do know. Andromeda's people were moved to Motive to help deal with that workload as it was getting towards crunch time on that game. Those that didn't go to motive got transferred to Edmonton to work on MEA's final patches from there and afterwards I believe they got transferred to Anthem. I don't have any direct quotes but that's what I heard
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 15, 2019 17:14:46 GMT
Andromeda's people were moved to Motive to help deal with that workload as it was getting towards crunch time on that game. Those that didn't go to motive got transferred to Edmonton to work on MEA's final patches from there and afterwards I believe they got transferred to Anthem. I don't have any direct quotes but that's what I heard Where did you hear this from?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 15, 2019 19:06:13 GMT
Andromeda's people were moved to Motive to help deal with that workload as it was getting towards crunch time on that game. Those that didn't go to motive got transferred to Edmonton to work on MEA's final patches from there and afterwards I believe they got transferred to Anthem. I don't have any direct quotes but that's what I heard Where did you hear this from?
So, yes, MEA didn't do well but they also wanted to use that team on "multiple major projects".
The thing is, if BW Montreal sucked so badly, why even bother moving them to another studio?
You can make of it what you will, but at that time ME was being put on hiatus so there was no reason to keep the studio open.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 15, 2019 19:37:00 GMT
Where did you hear this from?
So, yes, MEA didn't do well but they also wanted to use that team on "multiple major projects".
The thing is, if BW Montreal sucked so badly, why even bother moving them to another studio?
You can make of it what you will, but at that time ME was being put on hiatus so there was no reason to keep the studio open.
Yep you pretty much summed it up there
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