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Post by ahglock on Apr 15, 2019 23:19:38 GMT
Where did you hear this from?
So, yes, MEA didn't do well but they also wanted to use that team on "multiple major projects".
The thing is, if BW Montreal sucked so badly, why even bother moving them to another studio?
You can make of it what you will, but at that time ME was being put on hiatus so there was no reason to keep the studio open.
Because the division sucking isn’t a reflection on individual workers being able to code. They were sent to do grunt work not make a new game for a reason. And ME was put on hiatus without a dlc for a reason.
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Post by Ieldra on Apr 16, 2019 11:29:20 GMT
I must say I find an attitude odd that already predicts that the next ME will fail at a point where it isn't even clear that it will exist, even less what kind of game they want it to be.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 16, 2019 11:59:14 GMT
Where did you hear this from?
So, yes, MEA didn't do well but they also wanted to use that team on "multiple major projects".
The thing is, if BW Montreal sucked so badly, why even bother moving them to another studio?
You can make of it what you will, but at that time ME was being put on hiatus so there was no reason to keep the studio open.
Well, technically, "merging" does not guarantee any number of employees moving over. It could just as well be one, the last guy left on Bioware Montreal. That still counts as a merge. For example, Schreier's article states that some employees were let go, others were shifted to other EA studios, the rest that were left working on patches for Andromeda and those, once their work was done, would be shifted to Motive. Neither article is wrong, because neither one is specific enough on numbers, both are equally true in their reports.
And having personal experience with how companies of a size like EA work, since I've worked in a few, it was frequent that certain departments were closed down, or outsourced to another company and the people staffing them were given a few options; apply for a different position in the company, be laid off or move to the department in the outsourced company. The reason was always because said department was not economically viable for the company and therefore not worth the investment. This is an American model, followed by many multinational companies and that was imported for several big corporations in my country, the company I am referring to here is the local branch of Vodafone and you can bet EA is following this model. Τhough I have similar experiences from other companies in my country, I'm hoping you'll excuse me for not wanting to divulge too much information, corporate or personal. So what you are saying and what IGN is saying isn't wrong, but it isn't the whole truth. As the Schreier article specifically states, Montreal expected to jump right into Andromeda 2, there was no plan to put Mass Effect on ice, for any foreseeable future, it came to everyone as a surprise. The idea was, from Andromeda and on, Montreal would always be the Mass Effect studio, while Edmonton worked on Dragon Age and new IPs and the news came that the studio was closing down, only after news of Andromeda's reception and market performance. Which is what makes me very skeptical towards the exact nature of the events transpiring. I am just comparing the procedure as I know it and it lines up perfectly with how Schreier describes it. For the sake of the people working in Montreal, I hope I am wrong, but I am extremely doubtful. It would be an exception to a general market procedure and EA, well, lets just say that I don't trust them to be that exception.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 16, 2019 13:53:01 GMT
I must say I find an attitude odd that already predicts that the next ME will fail at a point where it isn't even clear that it will exist, even less what kind of game they want it to be. It isn't that the next game will fail, it is mostly speculation as to what tactic will ensure the best possible outcome for the franchise and Bioware, to ensure that the developer, its personnel and its IPs will continue, so that we can continue getting games that we like, as opposed to not and then having to look for a different developer that will barely scratch that itch.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 16, 2019 20:21:42 GMT
I must say I find an attitude odd that already predicts that the next ME will fail at a point where it isn't even clear that it will exist, even less what kind of game they want it to be. I have to say why come here if you think the next game will suck and hated the last one. I agree with you but I never understood why people come here and say "I hate mass effect and it sucks and will always suck from now on" spend so much time talking about a game.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 17, 2019 3:39:32 GMT
I must say I find an attitude odd that already predicts that the next ME will fail at a point where it isn't even clear that it will exist, even less what kind of game they want it to be. Yeah, I said the same thing. A lot can happen between now and a decade from now, which is probably about when they'll get started on a potential new ME game.
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Post by The Arbiter on Apr 17, 2019 8:08:51 GMT
I must say I find an attitude odd that already predicts that the next ME will fail at a point where it isn't even clear that it will exist, even less what kind of game they want it to be. IT'S GOING TO BE A MOBILE GAME!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 17, 2019 11:48:58 GMT
A lot can happen between now and a decade from now, which is probably about when they'll get started on a potential new ME game. Another decade of this. I feel like someone locked me up somewhere in hell and threw away the key.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 19, 2019 11:32:20 GMT
I must say I find an attitude odd that already predicts that the next ME will fail at a point where it isn't even clear that it will exist, even less what kind of game they want it to be. Yeah, I said the same thing. A lot can happen between now and a decade from now, which is probably about when they'll get started on a potential new ME game. What? 10 years before they start working on the next ME game? So that would mean it could be about 12 years before the game is released. My guess is the next ME game might be released in 2025. I only say that because it might be 2022 when the next DA game will be released. Hopefully you're wrong.
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Post by Garo on Apr 19, 2019 12:02:05 GMT
It is still like another 10 years before ME will see the light of day because Dragon Age is still not anywhere near ready. But still, it is understandable to be worried because BW went downhill since its golden days and it would be a damn shame to destroy what is left of ME universe. If they fail next DA then I don't want another ME game too. Well, EA will close them down if that happens anyway so
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 19, 2019 12:03:12 GMT
Yeah, I said the same thing. A lot can happen between now and a decade from now, which is probably about when they'll get started on a potential new ME game. What? 10 years before they start working on the next ME game? So that would mean it could be about 12 years before the game is released. My guess is the next ME game might be released in 2025. I only say that because it might be 2022 when the next DA game will be released. Hopefully you're wrong. If it's another 10 years till they start production of the next Mass Effect, nobody will remember it, nobody will care for it. I can't see myself still being interested in video games, let alone Bioware. If that's the point, EA might as well shut them down yesterday. Like, I may not love every AssCreed, but at least a new one comes out every year. I'm bound to like one of them in 5 years or so. Out of the six games Bioware has released since 2011, I've enjoyed none. I mean, moost of them had drawn some extreme emotion out of me, I just wish those emotions weren't frustration, rage, profound sadness and crippling depression. Honestly, your timeframe, Mike, seems more plausible to me.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 19, 2019 14:53:48 GMT
Yeah, I said the same thing. A lot can happen between now and a decade from now, which is probably about when they'll get started on a potential new ME game. What? 10 years before they start working on the next ME game? So that would mean it could be about 12 years before the game is released. My guess is the next ME game might be released in 2025. I only say that because it might be 2022 when the next DA game will be released. Hopefully you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong. OTOH, rumors are that DA4 is going to be along the lines of Anthem in that it's live. (I'm blanking on the term.) That would be a turn off for me. If BW went down that road with DA I'm sure they'd do the same with ME. Thumbs down on that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 15:02:52 GMT
What? 10 years before they start working on the next ME game? So that would mean it could be about 12 years before the game is released. My guess is the next ME game might be released in 2025. I only say that because it might be 2022 when the next DA game will be released. Hopefully you're wrong. If it's another 10 years till they start production of the next Mass Effect, nobody will remember it, nobody will care for it. I can't see myself still being interested in video games, let alone Bioware. If that's the point, EA might as well shut them down yesterday. Like, I may not love every AssCreed, but at least a new one comes out every year. I'm bound to like one of them in 5 years or so. Out of the six games Bioware has released since 2011, I've enjoyed none. I mean, moost of them had drawn some extreme emotion out of me, I just wish those emotions weren't frustration, rage, profound sadness and crippling depression. Honestly, your timeframe, Mike, seems more plausible to me. That's rather arrogant. Just because you'd get too old to be a fan doesn't mean that there won't be new, younger fans worth attracting (from Bioware's POV, at least).
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 19, 2019 15:05:35 GMT
What? 10 years before they start working on the next ME game? So that would mean it could be about 12 years before the game is released. My guess is the next ME game might be released in 2025. I only say that because it might be 2022 when the next DA game will be released. Hopefully you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong. OTOH, rumors are that DA4 is going to be along the lines of Anthem in that it's live. (I'm blanking on the term.) That would be a turn off for me. If BW went down that road with DA I'm sure they'd do the same with ME. Thumbs down on that.
Makes you wonder if they're trying to kill off their company on purpose...
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 19, 2019 15:17:16 GMT
I hope I'm wrong. OTOH, rumors are that DA4 is going to be along the lines of Anthem in that it's live. (I'm blanking on the term.) That would be a turn off for me. If BW went down that road with DA I'm sure they'd do the same with ME. Thumbs down on that.
Makes you wonder if they're trying to kill off their company on purpose... Like Maxis? Any others they did the same with?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 19, 2019 15:17:57 GMT
If it's another 10 years till they start production of the next Mass Effect, nobody will remember it, nobody will care for it. I can't see myself still being interested in video games, let alone Bioware. I'm not to far away from 50.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 19, 2019 15:20:03 GMT
Makes you wonder if they're trying to kill off their company on purpose... Like Maxis? Any others they did the same with? Pandemic Studios? They went down hill before they were shutdown.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 19, 2019 15:21:58 GMT
Like Maxis? Any others they did the same with? Pandemic Studios? They went down hill before they were shutdown. So basically EA takes over studios, forces them to do things their way and it causes them the shut down since they are no longer making the games people like.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 19, 2019 15:26:44 GMT
Pandemic Studios? They went down hill before they were shutdown. So basically EA takes over studios, forces them to do things their way and it causes them the shut down since they are no longer making the games people like. Maybe or maybe I'm reading too much into it. But something feels off about all this...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 19, 2019 15:27:01 GMT
Just because you'd get too old to be a fan doesn't mean that there won't be new, younger fans worth attracting My problem isn't getting old. Nobody's going to have the patience or the interest to wait on a developer that releases one game per console gen. Bioware is fading from relevance right now, in every form other than "trainwreck" clickbait articles. As soon as that dies down as well, how many people do you think are still going to reference KotoR or even Mass Effect 1 as stellar Bioware games? All they'll talk about will be the poorly received Andromeda and Anthem. People forget and younger people don't bother to play old games. Bioware needs to strike while the iron is hot and bounce back. 2022 is the longest they can take to release DA4. A 2025 release? Who the fuck even was Bioware in the first place? Oh, the studio behind Andromeda and Anthem. Yawn, pass. Will the high/dark fantasy setting even hold any merit in gaming by then? I mean, is there a single AAA game developer that is even rumoured to be planning a game like that, other than Bethesda? And I don't think I even need to comment on Bethesda's state right now.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 19, 2019 15:29:01 GMT
Pandemic Studios? They went down hill before they were shutdown. Hey, LotR Conquest, The Saboteur and Mercenaries 2 were some of the most fun games in 2010-2011. They were also working on Star Wars: Battlefront 3, when EA closed them down and that game, though still in alpha, looked fun as all fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 15:32:49 GMT
Just because you'd get too old to be a fan doesn't mean that there won't be new, younger fans worth attracting My problem isn't getting old. Nobody's going to have the patience or the interest to wait on a developer that releases one game per console gen. Bioware is fading from relevance right now, in every form other than "trainwreck" clickbait articles. As soon as that dies down as well, how many people do you think are still going to reference KotoR or even Mass Effect 1 as stellar Bioware games? All they'll talk about will be the poorly received Andromeda and Anthem. People forget and younger people don't bother to play old games. Bioware needs to strike while the iron is hot and bounce back. 2022 is the longest they can take to release DA4. A 2025 release? Who the fuck even was Bioware in the first place? Oh, the studio behind Andromeda and Anthem. Yawn, pass. Will the high/dark fantasy setting even hold any merit in gaming by then? I mean, is there a single AAA game developer that is even rumoured to be planning a game like that, other than Bethesda? And I don't think I even need to comment on Bethesda's state right now. It's still arrogance on your part that they have to keep creating the "old" sort of games you enjoyed specifically. If they see their future as producing more online games, then that's their prerogative to try. The generation that has been historically interested in SP RPG's may just be getting older and fading from relevance. That doesn't mean that EA should have shuttered those studios yesterday. You don't speak for the generation of gamers that are "growing up" in the next 12 years. You can't because you're not of that generation.
All the "critical" re-re-re-reviews of Bioware's mistakes are not doing anything positive as far as keeping Bioware relevant. It's a symptom of a bunch of "old" gamers just throwing childish hissy fits over a company who wants to move forward rather than continue to remake and recreate the "old" games they created in the past.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 19, 2019 15:43:06 GMT
What? 10 years before they start working on the next ME game? So that would mean it could be about 12 years before the game is released. My guess is the next ME game might be released in 2025. I only say that because it might be 2022 when the next DA game will be released. Hopefully you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong. OTOH, rumors are that DA4 is going to be along the lines of Anthem in that it's live. (I'm blanking on the term.) That would be a turn off for me. If BW went down that road with DA I'm sure they'd do the same with ME. Thumbs down on that.
I was thinking about getting Anthem once the price drops low enough, but when I looked on the playstation store, it said that I needed to be a playstation plus member. I am not a member. I have no interest in paying for a membership for a game that I might play for a short time and/or not liking at all. I know Bioware has no control over that. If the next DA game, and next ME game require me to have a membership to play, then I most likely won't get those games. Going by the number of playthroughs I have with DA and the trilogy, I would have paid about $500 in that time, if they required me to be a member.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 19, 2019 15:49:49 GMT
My problem isn't getting old. Nobody's going to have the patience or the interest to wait on a developer that releases one game per console gen. Bioware is fading from relevance right now, in every form other than "trainwreck" clickbait articles. As soon as that dies down as well, how many people do you think are still going to reference KotoR or even Mass Effect 1 as stellar Bioware games? All they'll talk about will be the poorly received Andromeda and Anthem. People forget and younger people don't bother to play old games. Bioware needs to strike while the iron is hot and bounce back. 2022 is the longest they can take to release DA4. A 2025 release? Who the fuck even was Bioware in the first place? Oh, the studio behind Andromeda and Anthem. Yawn, pass. Will the high/dark fantasy setting even hold any merit in gaming by then? I mean, is there a single AAA game developer that is even rumoured to be planning a game like that, other than Bethesda? And I don't think I even need to comment on Bethesda's state right now. It's still arrogance on your part that they have to keep creating the "old" sort of games you enjoyed specifically. If they see their future as producing more online games, then that's their prerogative to try. The generation that has been historically interested in SP RPG's may just be getting older and fading from relevance. That doesn't mean that EA should have shuttered those studios yesterday. You don't speak for the generation of gamers that are "growing up" in the next 12 years. You can't because you're not of that generation. This has nothing to do with the games I like, or what type of games I want Bioware to make. A 7 year development cycle that was suggested above, for each new game, after a game release is not, in my opinion, a sustainable model. DICE releases a game for EA every year for the past ... how many years now? Respawn just released their own game for EA, which was cool and they're releasing a second one as well, this year, generating revenue for EA. Within EA's very competitive environment, where studios compete financially over Frostbyte support and resources, for Bioware to compete, they need to make games that sell numbers at the levels of GTA and RDR to remain relevant with public opinion and most importantly, within EA. Considering Bioware's current internal struggles and continued technical issues with Frostbyte, turning things around that much for Bioware will take a miracle. Can you comprehend the level of success they need to hit within this corporate world structure? You might as well close them yesterday, they're not going to make it. They'll fade to irrelevance, newer generations will only remember them for their failures and clickbait articles about Bioware's next blunder will pop around like mushrooms.
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