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Post by Sonya on Jan 6, 2020 16:54:18 GMT
You said "can't write a word about Anders w/o huge conpositions from others." English is not my native language, but the phrase, anytime I came across it, has always meant annoyance. So I read you reply as you being annoyed that you can't post your opinion without others attacking it with longs responses. I don't know, if that was your intention, but that's how it seemed to me. If so, I do ipologize! It was never my intenion to insult or annoy anyone with that phrase. It was a simpe observation. Again, Rouccoco, vraiment désolée! more information = better path no, in DA2, I think you are aware that rival or friendship change dialogues/mood/tone/behavior/talks. In this case, what I was saying, you'll never now about other things like with other characters in the game. So if a player likes Anders, isn't it worth at least once rival with him to learn something new? Otherwise you'll never know about those above mentioned facts. Even if you don't like how Anders acts in rival. It is a game with many hidden things; I stil, after 60 PTs of DA2 find somуthing new (incl DAO, DAI, MAT). As for the rest - it's up to other players supporting mages/templars/circles/etc.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 6, 2020 17:07:42 GMT
It’s not like the Friendship relationship is any healthier. Anders: “If you love me, you will do whatever I say without question.” Hawke: “But I...?” Anders: “How dare you ask questions. It’s clear I was wrong about everything about you and you actually hate me and all I stand for.”
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 17:10:30 GMT
It’s not like the Friendship relationship is any healthier. Anders: “If you love me, you will do whatever I say without question.” Hawke: “But I...?” Anders: “How dare you ask questions. It’s clear I was wrong about everything about you and you actually hate me and all I stand for.” That's not what he says exactly.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 6, 2020 17:17:55 GMT
I once had a conversation with a good friend of mine about how far one would go to protect their friends...he argued that an action like Anders performs at the end of DA2 would merit no friendship regardless of how long you'd been friends. a statement I support completly. It's the same thing as the following example: in the past a person was a hero, did this or that, but NOW he acts like an asshole. The outcome from this: it doesn't matter that a person was a hero once, it only matters that NOW he turned into a criminal/despot/lost his mind/etc. If present actions harm others/destroy the county/the whole world or whatever, past heroic action are irrelevant. Again, the question is: are you ready to accept that, if your friend lied, blackmaied and used you? I understand the plot demands this ot that, but what can we do? Only choose. In real life I wouldn't forgive my already former friend for such behavior and using me as a tool + other things.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 6, 2020 17:36:25 GMT
no, in DA2, I think you are aware that rival or friendship change dialogues/mood/tone/behavior/talks. In this case, what I was saying, you'll never now about other things like with other characters in the game. So if a player likes Anders, isn't it worth at least once rival with him to learn something new? Otherwise you'll never know about those above mentioned facts. Even if you don't like how Anders acts in rival. I don't disagree that companions act differently depending on your choices. I just don't agree that the rivalmance is better than the friendmance, because of that content, something I understood from your first post. I watched the rivalmance playthrough, out of curiosity (I don't want to personally play it, pushing a person, whose mental state is inspired by bipolar disorder, to commit suicide is just not something I want to do, even in fiction). But I treat it as alternate "what if" scenarios. I've seen people say that because Justice controls Anders against his will in the rival route, the same is true in any other route, which is not correct. So to phrase it differently - you get more insight seeing more routes, but some of that insight contradicts, what you see in other world states.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 6, 2020 17:48:28 GMT
Anders' actions inadvertently also put Bethany at risk (what with Meredith invoking the Right of Annulment and all that) She has already asked the divine for permission to do that, before the chantry exploded. And seeing what happened in Dairsmuid, she would have gotten it (if not then, she would have pushed mages till she did). With one circle being annulled roughly every 50 years, Bethany was never safe to begin with. Dairsmuid happened after Kirkwall I thought?
I checked the wikia, and it says Kirkwall was in 9.37 Dragon, Dairsmuid happened in 9.40 Dragon (so a year before the events of Inquisition)
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 6, 2020 17:49:22 GMT
It’s not like the Friendship relationship is any healthier. In the rivalmance route Hawke ridicules Anders' views, hammers into him that mages (Anders included) are bad and don't deserve basic rights, forces him to go against everything he ever believed in and help templars kill mages. All of which breaks Anders and drives him to commit suicide. What Hawke does in this route is magnitudes worse than anything Anders has ever done to Hawke, there's just no comparison here, and I don't understand how anyone could ever equate that. There are very few moments in the franchise that are so dark like the levels of abuse in this rivalmance.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 17:50:03 GMT
She has already asked the divine for permission to do that, before the chantry exploded. And seeing what happened in Dairsmuid, she would have gotten it (if not then, she would have pushed mages till she did). With one circle being annulled roughly every 50 years, Bethany was never safe to begin with. Dairsmuid happened after Kirkwall I thought?
I checked the wikia, and it says Kirkwall was in 9.37 Dragon, Dairsmuid happened in 9.40 Dragon (so a year before the events of Inquisition)
Yes, but not this was the point. The point is: it happened, so: it can happen anytimes, if they want.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 6, 2020 17:53:59 GMT
I once had a conversation with a good friend of mine about how far one would go to protect their friends...he argued that an action like Anders performs at the end of DA2 would merit no friendship regardless of how long you'd been friends. a statement I support completly. It's the same thing as the following example: in the past a person was a hero, did this or that, but NOW he acts like an asshole. The outcome from this: it doesn't matter that a person was a hero once, it only matters that NOW he turned into a criminal/despot/lost his mind/etc. If present actions harm others/destroy the county/the whole world or whatever, past heroic action are irrelevant. Again, the question is: are you ready to accept that, if your friend lied, blackmaied and used you? I understand the plot demands this ot that, but what can we do? Only choose. In real life I wouldn't forgive my already former friend for such behavior and using me as a tool + other things. hm, you're right...
in real life I value honesty and loyalty, someone like Anders would probably cease being my friend at that point...I doubt I'd personally kill him in that case (I'm too squeamish) but I wouldn't let him get away with it either
so...I guess Anders will die in my canon... in a way I suppose you can view his death as a mercy, even on friendship path Anders admits that there might come a point where Justice can take over for good
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Post by Sonya on Jan 6, 2020 17:55:19 GMT
friendship romance has benefits. Of course, has: it's my personal favourite happy for you, if that is your choice. Anders absolutely aware the problem it's obvious he knows about his problemes, he knows he is possessed, Justice can take over him and we see it in different cases (Karl, with that Templar asshole who rapes mages). He knows that, others know that (Aveline "And I still let an abomination yell at me...."). So Anders knows he is possessed. And what? He doesn't know things: will he be able to control the Demon. It doesn't matter whether Hawke is near, his love or whatever. He can fail. It's an option and a great risk. A mage is always in greter danger, it's a fact. And Anders is already possessed by a Demon whom he can't control even in friendship (watch his quest). Of course Hawke can help Anders at some point to keep the Demon inside him and try to control him, but how long will it last? Want to take that chane and endanger yourself - a brave sole who can end up dead. It's one of the options. Another - live together and every day help to control the Demon. In DAI Hawke leaves Anders, who knows what can happen then? Later he may turn into a true abomination and go rampage. I don't want to take that chane.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 6, 2020 17:56:56 GMT
Dairsmuid happened after Kirkwall I thought?
I checked the wikia, and it says Kirkwall was in 9.37 Dragon, Dairsmuid happened in 9.40 Dragon (so a year before the events of Inquisition)
Yes, but not this was the point. The point is: it happened, so: it can happen anytimes, if they want. I might've read over part of the post a bit (happens sometimes)
it's true that Bethany wouldn't have been safe regardless, it's one of the reasons Hawke sends her away during Inquisition in order to keep her safe
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 17:58:46 GMT
a statement I support completly. It's the same thing as the following example: in the past a person was a hero, did this or that, but NOW he acts like an asshole. The outcome from this: it doesn't matter that a person was a hero once, it only matters that NOW he turned into a criminal/despot/lost his mind/etc. If present actions harm others/destroy the county/the whole world or whatever, past heroic action are irrelevant. Again, the question is: are you ready to accept that, if your friend lied, blackmaied and used you? I understand the plot demands this ot that, but what can we do? Only choose. In real life I wouldn't forgive my already former friend for such behavior and using me as a tool + other things. hm, you're right...
in real life I value honesty and loyalty, someone like Anders would probably cease being my friend at that point...I doubt I'd personally kill him in that case (to squeamish) but I wouldn't let him get away with it either
so...I guess Anders will die in my canon... in a way I suppose you can view his death as a mercy, even on friendship path Anders admits that there might come a point where Justice can take over for good Of course we can view everything as mercy... like the Tranquility. This does not make it mercy. True, to push him against the mages – against his whole life is the true cruelty.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 6, 2020 18:07:33 GMT
Dairsmuid happened after Kirkwall I thought? It did, but that doesn't matter. It's just one of many examples of the chantry being trigger happy with any action that harms mages, including potentially annulling the Kirkwall circle. Even if what happened in Kirkwall is what pushed the decision in Rivain, it's still doesn't justify it. Annulment is supposed to be a last resort, when there's no other option and the mages in that circle are wreaking havoc. Not as a means to snuff out a culture that didn't follow chantry rules. They didn't see the nuance of the situation in Rivain, and they wouldn't see it in Kirkwall.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 6, 2020 18:09:05 GMT
a statement I support completly. It's the same thing as the following example: in the past a person was a hero, did this or that, but NOW he acts like an asshole. The outcome from this: it doesn't matter that a person was a hero once, it only matters that NOW he turned into a criminal/despot/lost his mind/etc. If present actions harm others/destroy the county/the whole world or whatever, past heroic action are irrelevant. Again, the question is: are you ready to accept that, if your friend lied, blackmaied and used you? I understand the plot demands this ot that, but what can we do? Only choose. In real life I wouldn't forgive my already former friend for such behavior and using me as a tool + other things. hm, you're right...
in real life I value honesty and loyalty, someone like Anders would probably cease being my friend at that point...I doubt I'd personally kill him in that case (I'm too squeamish) but I wouldn't let him get away with it either
so...I guess Anders will die in my canon... in a way I suppose you can view his death as a mercy, even on friendship path Anders admits that there might come a point where Justice can take over for good Yeah, in real life I would have him arrested but since the only options are kill him or let him get away with it there is no contest there since he should not be allowed to get away with mass murdering dozens of innocent people in his terrorist attack in order to spark a war that kills tens of thousands more.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 6, 2020 18:10:22 GMT
hm, you're right...
in real life I value honesty and loyalty, someone like Anders would probably cease being my friend at that point...I doubt I'd personally kill him in that case (to squeamish) but I wouldn't let him get away with it either
so...I guess Anders will die in my canon... in a way I suppose you can view his death as a mercy, even on friendship path Anders admits that there might come a point where Justice can take over for good Of course we can view everything as mercy... like the Tranquility. This does not make it mercy. True, to push him against the mages – against his whole life is the true cruelty.
hun, I know you love Anders... but you can't keep justifying his actions, Anders regrets them yes...but he still did them knowingly
know another character who's death I view as a mercy? Connor because when you meet him in Inquisition he's a miserable person who even admits to the Inquisitor he should've died and wishes the Hero had killed him
he didn't mean to call the demon, but the point remains that the demon left him scarred if Justice ever ends up being separated from Anders he would've ended up the same way, scarred with no hope of repair, even with a loving partner by his side
also I don't view tranquility as a mercy, I never said that...tranquility in my mind is worse then death, loosing one's mind is worse then death I've also never made Anders side against the mages, even on quests where I turn mages in I leave him behind
he's a good man who's been destroyed by the system he lives in, and regardless of friendship or rivalry, he asks Hawke to kill him so yes, I view it as a mercy...what you do with it is up to you
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 6, 2020 18:15:06 GMT
Dairsmuid happened after Kirkwall I thought? It did, but that doesn't matter. It's just one of many examples of the chantry being trigger happy with any action that harms mages, including potentially annulling the Kirkwall circle. Even if what happened in Kirkwall is what pushed the decision in Rivain, it's still doesn't justify it. Annulment is supposed to be a last resort, when there's no other option and the mages in that circle are wreaking havoc. Not as a means to snuff out a culture that didn't follow chantry rules. They didn't see the nuance of the situation in Rivain, and they wouldn't see it in Kirkwall. I'm not trying to justify the actions of the Chantry, what they did in Dairsmuid was abhorrent
Kirkwall was a deathtrap at all angles, but the fact remains that Anders' actions were no better
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 18:21:20 GMT
friendship romance has benefits. Of course, has: it's my personal favourite happy for you, if that is your choice. Anders absolutely aware the problem it's obvious he knows about his problemes, he knows he is possessed, Justice can take over him and we see it in different cases (Karl, with that Templar asshole who rapes mages). He knows that, others know that (Aveline "And I still let an abomination yells at me...."). So Anders knows he is possessed. And what? He doesn't know things: will he be able to control the Demon. It doesn't matter whether Hawke is near, his love or whatever. He can fail. It's an option and a great risk. A mage is always in greter danger, it's a fact. And Anders is already possessed by a Demon whom he can't control even in friendship (watch his quest). Of course Hawke can help Anders at some point to keep the Demon inside him and try to control him, but how long will it last? Want to take that chane and endanger yourself - a brave sole who can end up dead. It's one of the options. Another - live together and every day help to control the Demon. In DAI Hawke leaves Anders, who knows what can happen then? Later he may turn into a true abomination and go rampage. I don't want to take that chane. I didn't speak about he knows or not, he's possessed (of course he knows, it was voluntary from both sides). I speak about he's aware the danger. He asks for help to handle. And rival!Hawke doesn't help in it, just makes the situation even worse. Rival!Hawke "helps" to lose his control.
The Inquisition shows, that he didn't lose himself during the war. Neither in friendship, nor in rivalry. He's stronger than it seems, but I'm sure in rivalry he's unstable – not like a "raging Abomination", but as a suicidal person. That three years under stress, proved, he's able to handle the possession. Also: rival Hawke does better if leave him to let him fight for the mages, or kill him, especially if wants to support that madwoman.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 18:25:40 GMT
It did, but that doesn't matter. It's just one of many examples of the chantry being trigger happy with any action that harms mages, including potentially annulling the Kirkwall circle. Even if what happened in Kirkwall is what pushed the decision in Rivain, it's still doesn't justify it. Annulment is supposed to be a last resort, when there's no other option and the mages in that circle are wreaking havoc. Not as a means to snuff out a culture that didn't follow chantry rules. They didn't see the nuance of the situation in Rivain, and they wouldn't see it in Kirkwall. I'm not trying to justify the actions of the Chantry, what they did in Dairsmuid was abhorrent Kirkwall was a deathtrap at all angles, but the fact remains that Anders' actions were no better
They were definitely better. And not "actions" only ONE act. The Right of Annulment is systematic genocide, supported by law – what is awful. Where such a thing is a "right", Anders' act is an answer.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 18:34:52 GMT
Of course we can view everything as mercy... like the Tranquility. This does not make it mercy. True, to push him against the mages – against his whole life is the true cruelty.
hun, I know you love Anders... but you can't keep justifying his actions, Anders regrets them yes...but he still did them knowingly
know another character who's death I view as a mercy? Connor because when you meet him in Inquisition he's a miserable person who even admits to the Inquisitor he should've died and wishes the Hero had killed him
he didn't mean to call the demon, but the point remains that the demon left him scarred if Justice ever ends up being separated from Anders he would've ended up the same way, scarred with no hope of repair, even with a loving partner by his side
also I don't view tranquility as a mercy, I never said that...tranquility in my mind is worse then death, loosing one's mind is worse then death I've also never made Anders side against the mages, even on quests where I turn mages in I leave him behind
he's a good man who's been destroyed by the system he lives in, and regardless of friendship or rivalry, he asks Hawke to kill him so yes, I view it as a mercy...what you do with it is up to you
Not regardless. In friendship, he accepts the death, doesn't ask for it. Significant difference.
I also not think, to kill Connor is a mercy. Of course, whenn we meet with him in Inquisition he's miserable. But think about it, how much he faced the scold, people who blamed him... like Vivienne, who disapproves, if the Inquisitor doesn't willing to blame Connor.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 6, 2020 19:01:09 GMT
I watched the rivalmance playthrough, out of curiosity (I don't want to personally play it, pushing a person, whose mental state is inspired by bipolar disorder, to commit suicide is just not something I want to do, even in fiction). But I treat it as alternate "what if" scenarios. I've seen people say that because Justice controls Anders against his will in the rival route, the same is true in any other route, which is not correct. So to phrase it differently - you get more insight seeing more routes, but some of that insight contradicts, what you see in other world states. It's obvious Anders suffers, he suffers greatly. Even in friendship he struggles. Considering that Anders suffers, are you ready to watch your friend/lover is in great pain? His mental state is shifty. As a friend/lover you'll better leave him in that state, suffering not only mentaly (even in friendship - healthier? Probably, but there is still a struggle). Do you even know in what pain your friend/lover is? You only see the tip of the iceberg. One of the probleme (even in games as it turned out): some people are not ready for drastic mearures for the greater good, to stop great sufferings of a person, to sacrafice yourselg to end something terrible etc etc etc. It's better to watch those horroes, to watch how your friend suffers greatly (but the main thing he lives!), to kill someone as she/he can be a threat in the future. Others can do that, and not because they are butcher, because they do that out of pragmatism (or something similar). If a person can't do that him/herself, ask someone else. So yes, in DAU I would kill Anders (or another person) if I am a friend of his (out of mercy, as I don't want to watch my friend suffers), in real life such people will be punished according to our laws or, if they just unlucky to have some uncurable illnes because of which they suffer greatly, I would make a great fuss to help that person to die in peace and wouldn't stop unless I get results. To cut a long storu shot: Anders suffer and it's bettert to end his sufferings (so yes, rival-romance is a way to do it).
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 6, 2020 19:03:57 GMT
*sigh*
ya know, there comes a time when I ask myself..."why do I even bother?" ...I'd say I've reached mine
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 19:14:32 GMT
I watched the rivalmance playthrough, out of curiosity (I don't want to personally play it, pushing a person, whose mental state is inspired by bipolar disorder, to commit suicide is just not something I want to do, even in fiction). But I treat it as alternate "what if" scenarios. I've seen people say that because Justice controls Anders against his will in the rival route, the same is true in any other route, which is not correct. So to phrase it differently - you get more insight seeing more routes, but some of that insight contradicts, what you see in other world states. It's obvious Anders suffers, he suffers greatly. Even in friendship he struggles. Considering that Anders suffers, are you ready to watch your friend/lover is in great pain? His mental state is shifty. As a friend/lover you'll better leave him in that state, suffering not only mentaly (even in friendship - healthier? Probably, but there is still a struggle). Do you even know in what pain your friend/lover is? You only see the tip of the iceberg. One of the probleme (even in games as it turned out): some people are not ready for drastic mearures for the greater good, to stop great sufferings of a person, to sacrafice yourselg to end something terrible etc etc etc. It's better to watch those horroes, to watch how your friend suffers greatly (but the main thing he lives!), to kill someone as she/he can be a threat in the future. Others can do that, and not because they are butcher, because they do that out of pragmatism (or something similar). If a person can't do that him/herself, ask someone else. So yes, in DAU I would kill Anders (or another person) if I am a friend of his (out of mercy, as I don't want to watch my friend suffers), in real life such people will be punished according to our laws or, if they just unlucky to have some uncurable illnes because of which they suffer greatly, I would make a great fuss to help that person to die in peace and wouldn't stop unless I get results. To cut a long storu shot: Anders suffer and it's bettert to end his sufferings (so yes, rival-romance is a way to do it). The rivalmance doesn't help to end his suffer, but causes it. Tortures him from mercy...? That's absurd.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 6, 2020 19:28:34 GMT
I speak about he's aware the danger. He asks for help to handle. And rival!Hawke doesn't help in it, just makes the situation even worse. Rival!Hawke "helps" to lose his control. Exactly. He knows he is dangerous. He almost killed that girl, after that you can send him away. RivalHawke helps in it in a way that Anders finally comes to the conclusion he is no longer in control of the Demon, he is tired of that shit, he wants to die. One of the best decision coming from him (hope he regreted that had missed cirlce lesson about abominations while escaping 7 times w/o being punished properly). Again: he is a great risk, an abomination, I don't want to take the chance where he looses control (friend or no). Even if I love that person, I will do what needs to be done, even if it's painful. That three years under stress, proved, he's able to handle the possession. yeah, that's great, "able handle a possession". Three years of struggling, the fourth -10th year fail. He is a risk - freely walking constantly struggling abomination. You are ready for such risk, I am not. Simple differemce.
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Post by Sonya on Jan 6, 2020 19:42:28 GMT
Tortures him from mercy...? That's absurd kill him OUT OF MERCY, if you care about him. You are not capable to do that, you are not capable to kill Connor, better watch how they suffer. In my canon DAO Save I don't kill Connor and leave bitch Isolde alive (perfect PT so to say). But I have other PTs as well with different outcomes (good DAO have so many choices and outcomes).
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Post by Catilina on Jan 6, 2020 19:54:25 GMT
I speak about he's aware the danger. He asks for help to handle. And rival!Hawke doesn't help in it, just makes the situation even worse. Rival!Hawke "helps" to lose his control. Exactly. He knows he is dangerous. He almost killed that girl, after that you can send him away. RivalHawke helps in it in a way that Anders finally comes to the conclusion he is no longer in control of the Demon, he is tired of that shit, he wants to die. One of the best decision coming from him (hope he regreted that had missed cirlce lesson about abominations while escaping 7 times w/o being punished properly). Again: he is a great risk, an abomination, I don't want to take the chance where he looses control (friend or no). Even if I love that person, I will do what needs to be done, even if it's painful. That three years under stress, proved, he's able to handle the possession. yeah, that's great, "able handle a possession". Three years of struggling, the fourth -10th year fail. He is a risk - freely walking constantly struggling abomination. You are ready for such risk, I am not. Simple differemce. He was a very good student of the Circle. He learned everything what he needed to know.
Rival!Hawke doesn't help him at anything, especially not to handle that "demon". Demonizes him. Calling him an abomination, and then having sex with him seems... should I continue? I don't think so. Rivalry with him as especially a Templar-hearted Hawke, or a Hawke who totally terrified from him, is a valid way. But tell me: what that Hawke's reason to romance him? To let him inside the mansion, in the bed? Just to play with a "monster"? To strengthen his suffering with scold-him-then-kiss-him game? Ugh... Seems absolutely unhealthy.
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