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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 4, 2019 1:43:04 GMT
If having "beautiful" women in the game would stop people from bitching about how "sjw feminazi" bioware has gone, then sure. These threads usually end up cringey at best, sexist and creepy at worst. Fuck that noise. Let the babies cry.
My sentiments exactly, the people who yell "SJW have ruined this franchise" are the ones who:
A. Have not and never will play/watch/listen/read the media in question.
B. Some are just attention seeking con artists trying to con the people who believe this shit to buy their products out of their money (or aka rip them off financially).
C. Claim to be fighting an "agenda" when they are the ones with an agenda and/if and when called out about it they always play victim so they can scam money off gullible people dumb enough to believe them.
D. Just looking for clicks and views to their social media accounts.
E. All of the above and more.
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 4, 2019 3:06:40 GMT
I don't have a problem with "ugly" or older characters, I just don't think they should get romances. Blackwall in particular was a mistake - Cullen nearly missing out on a romance because of him is absurd.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2019 3:18:18 GMT
I don't have a problem with "ugly" or older characters, I just don't think they should get romances. Blackwall in particular was a mistake - Cullen nearly missing out on a romance because of him is absurd. Why shouldn't they?
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 4, 2019 3:26:20 GMT
Old people don’t need companionship. They need to be isolated and studied so it can be determined what nutrients they have that can be extracted for our personal use.
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Post by Guardian on Mar 4, 2019 3:26:38 GMT
[M]ost men (myself included) are damned ugly, so there’s less of a hurdle to clear. I like this human....he gets me and I can relate to this
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Post by colfoley on Mar 4, 2019 3:29:40 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation?
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Post by Guardian on Mar 4, 2019 3:34:38 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation?
Okay, but seriously - Colfoley brings up a good question. Physical looks are only part of the equation. Personality of the character is also a thing and I want to ask this as well.
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Post by Gwydden on Mar 4, 2019 3:49:19 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? To be fair to the OP, one of the three adjectives he used in the thread title does not describe a physical feature. To be fair to everyone else, the other two mean basically the same thing and the whole thing is a loaded question anyway. At any rate, I don't think personality is any less subjective than looks. My problem with Josephine and Cassandra is that I found them bland and dull, something a lot of people will disagree with, I'm sure.
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 4, 2019 3:49:24 GMT
I don't have a problem with "ugly" or older characters, I just don't think they should get romances. Blackwall in particular was a mistake - Cullen nearly missing out on a romance because of him is absurd. Why shouldn't they? Because eight romances is too many. Both that and race choice are a colossal waste of time and money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm sure someone out there are enjoying the Blackwall/dwarf cutscenes, but the rest of us aren't.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2019 3:51:04 GMT
Because eight romances is too many. Both that and race choice are a colossal waste of time and money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm sure someone out there are enjoying the Blackwall/dwarf cutscenes, but the rest of us aren't. I could not disagree with you more. But fine, say they do 4 or 6 instead of 8. You still didn't answer my question.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 4, 2019 3:53:39 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? To be fair to the OP, one of the three adjectives he used in the thread title does not describe a physical feature. To be fair to everyone else, the other two mean basically the same thing and the whole thing is a loaded question anyway. At any rate, I don't think personality is any less subjective than looks. My problem with Josephine and Cassandra is that I found them bland and dull, something a lot of people will disagree with, I'm sure. kind of why i brought it up. Cass for me is just attractive but her personality makes her gorgeous.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 4, 2019 3:56:53 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? I care about the personality infinitely more than the appearance.
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Post by Zemgus on Mar 4, 2019 4:11:53 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? It's another reason why I dislike Yen and Triss. They lack personality. On the other hand even though I think Miranda is not good looking her personality makes the character more attractive to me.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 4, 2019 4:14:40 GMT
I don't have a problem with "ugly" or older characters, I just don't think they should get romances. Blackwall in particular was a mistake - Cullen nearly missing out on a romance because of him is absurd. Are you filing Blackwall under ugly, older, or both? I'm not certain how this aspect of Bio's design methodology works. We know that character concepts and general plot arcs come first, with the romances being added to whichever characters make the cut. So, yeah, Blackwall and Cullen really were in competition for a romance slot. But at that stage of the design I don't think final appearances are set, so he wasn't ugly yet. Might have been older, though. There's an interview about why Cassandra was designed the way she is, but if one exists for Blackwall I haven't found it.
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 4, 2019 4:16:54 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? I care about the personality infinitely more than the appearance. No reason we can't have both. Art team and writing team are two different things as far as development is concerned.
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 4:28:08 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? I care about the personality infinitely more than the appearance. Researchers asked young women (ages 15 to 29) to choose potential dates from a series of photographs and descriptions, while the women's mothers (ages 37 to 61) were asked to select possible boyfriends for their daughters using the same information. Results showed that a man's looks influenced both groups of women more strongly than his personality profile. This held true even if a man's profile was filled with highly desirable personal qualities, such as being respectful, honest and trustworthy.
Both daughters and mothers rated the attractive and moderately attractive men as more desirable dating partners than unattractive men, said the findings, published online in March in the journal Evolutionary Psychological Science.
The study suggests that women value physical attractiveness in a potential mate far more than they say they do, said study author Madeleine Fugère, a professor of social psychology at Eastern Connecticut State University in Willimantic.
Previous research on this subject has given conflicting results. Some studies have suggested that both parents and their adult children (especially daughters) may say that personality is more important than looks in a potential mate, with these individuals typically ranking physical attractiveness lower on a list of personality characteristics. However, in real life, that's not how people seem to make these romantic decisions, Fugère told Live Science. For example, data from speed-dating research shows that a man's physical attractiveness has a strong impact on women's mate preferences, Fugère said.
www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html
Why should Bioware provide good looking characters? Because they insist on doing the romance thing, and in real life people (ON AVERAGE) are more attracted to good looking people. It may be more PC and socially acceptable to say that personality matters more, but statistically it's not the case. So in a game where Bioware places emphasis on romance, and in a game which is supposed to be escapist fantasy, why shouldn't they put good looking people in the game?
Personally I think romance takes up valuable resources and would prefer Bioware cut the whole thing. But if they're going to do it, they should make the characters (of all sexes) appealing to the player.
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Post by Guardian on Mar 4, 2019 4:55:56 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? To be fair to the OP, one of the three adjectives he used in the thread title does not describe a physical feature. To be fair to everyone else, the other two mean basically the same thing and the whole thing is a loaded question anyway. At any rate, I don't think personality is any less subjective than looks. My problem with Josephine and Cassandra is that I found them bland and dull, something a lot of people will disagree with, I'm sure.
No, I get that with Josie; Cass I wanted to know more about, but I felt there wasn't enough for me to know about her. I like Josie as a character, but I personally found her bland myself as a partner. Again, I know others disagree and that's completely fine with me.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Mar 4, 2019 5:09:21 GMT
Are women really more likely to not care as much about physical attractiveness? Because I sure as hell do. Maybe I'm shallow but I want my video game boyfriend to be HOT.
Unless it's Iron Bull, then he's fine the way he is in looks, because his hotness lies elsewhere. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 5:18:49 GMT
Are women really more likely to not care as much about physical attractiveness? Because I sure as hell do. Maybe I'm shallow but I want my video game boyfriend to be HOT. Unless it's Iron Bull, then he's fine the way he is in looks, because his hotness lies elsewhere. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) People often point to surveys which state that women care more about personality than looks, but all it shows is that women SAY they care more about personality. Data from dating programs don't really back it up. And there's nothing wrong with it TBH. I don't know when people got it into their heads that being attracted to looks was a bad thing. I look through the romance section at the local bookstore and I see plenty of hot half naked men on horses. It's escapism, let people have what they want.
That being said, the data says men on average are MUCH more shallow
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 4, 2019 5:19:42 GMT
Are women really more likely to not care as much about physical attractiveness? Because I sure as hell do. Maybe I'm shallow but I want my video game boyfriend to be HOT. Unless it's Iron Bull, then he's fine the way he is in looks, because his hotness lies elsewhere. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Internal haemorrhaging makes me so horny.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Mar 4, 2019 5:23:41 GMT
Are women really more likely to not care as much about physical attractiveness? Because I sure as hell do. Maybe I'm shallow but I want my video game boyfriend to be HOT. Unless it's Iron Bull, then he's fine the way he is in looks, because his hotness lies elsewhere. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Internal haemorrhaging makes me so horny. Damn shame blood mage wasn't an option, then. Just think of the possibilities!
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 4, 2019 5:23:49 GMT
Hey everyone, I just spoke to Patrick Weekes using the LGBTQ+ neural network, and he said that, in-line with the gay agenda, the only straight female romance in DA4 is a pair of conjoined Genlock twins called Grosstina and Pukerella.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Mar 4, 2019 5:23:55 GMT
Because eight romances is too many. Both that and race choice are a colossal waste of time and money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm sure someone out there are enjoying the Blackwall/dwarf cutscenes, but the rest of us aren't. That person is me. I don't know what I did to get BioWare to make a whole romance for my personal enjoyment, but it was pretty nice of them!
If you ever wonder who the Blackwall romance was made for: I'm right here, enjoying how perfectly matched he is with my Cadash Inquisitor.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 4, 2019 5:30:23 GMT
My immediate thought upon seeing the OP create another version of this thread for the umpteenth time;
Dude, enough already.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 4, 2019 5:37:19 GMT
I tracked down the artist's thoughts about beauty WRT Cassandra. I suppose this is on point for character designs in general.
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