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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 4, 2019 5:46:15 GMT
No, I want all the women to be hideous, mangled blobs of scarred flesh, who can do nothing but beg for death with all three of their fanged, shrieking maws. See, I thought about having something like this in my original post, just to spite the OP, and it was my initial reaction. But then I went with my actual post that "agreed" instead because it challenged his view on what "beautiful" means. But I sill haven't voted in the poll because I have this conflict haha... The poll itself is less nuanced than a post can be, so by picking "yes" it looks like true agreement with the OP, which I don't share. Okay, so clearly some sort of censorship feature is preventing me from making the best joke this forum has ever seen. What other words are banned? I need to know what I have to work with. Well I really want to know the joke, now. I have my own theories about why straight/bi women are more accepting of '' not conventionally attractive '' men... Do share, because I fall in this camp and am curious. I will say though that knowing (or "knowing" in some cases, since I haven't actually met some people I find attractive, but know some about them) the person definitely colors my perception of how they look. I have a crush on the music artist Asp, but aside from having black hair, he doesn't fall anywhere on my normal spectrum. But I find him quite charming and like how his mind works. However, I can still find attractive those I don't know like, say, actor Stephen McHattie.
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 5:47:03 GMT
I tracked down the artist's thoughts about beauty WRT Cassandra. I suppose this is on point for character designs in general. Depends on what the character designs are for and what type of narrative you're talking about. For a straight linear novel, sure. If we go to the other extreme and ask whether it's okay for a dating sim, then ... not really. There are many different kinds of narratives and one type of process or design philosophy doesn't fit them all.
Remember that a valid definition of RPG are user defined stories, so the player gets some input in the narrative. Open world games are trending that way also.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 4, 2019 5:47:58 GMT
Hey everyone, I just spoke to Patrick Weekes using the LGBTQ+ neural network, and he said that, in-line with the gay agenda, the only straight female romance in DA4 is a pair of conjoined Genlock twins called Grosstina and Pukerella. Sounds hot.
At the very least, it'd be the first chance for a three-way Bioware would have given us in at least half-a-decade.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 4, 2019 5:49:53 GMT
Hey everyone, I just spoke to Patrick Weekes using the LGBTQ+ neural network, and he said that, in-line with the gay agenda, the only straight female romance in DA4 is a pair of conjoined Genlock twins called Grosstina and Pukerella. Sounds hot.
At the very least, it'd be the first chance for a three-way Bioware would have given us in at least half-a-decade. No, see, they share the vagina.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 4, 2019 5:52:09 GMT
Okay, so clearly some sort of censorship feature is preventing me from making the best joke this forum has ever seen. What other words are banned? I need to know what I have to work with. Well I really want to know the joke, now. Well I don't want to break forum rules, so you'll all just have to settle for a reminder that, no matter how heated this discussion may get, it is NOT appropriate to in-cel-t the OP.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 4, 2019 6:53:06 GMT
I think the npcs should be a variety, some beautiful, some ugly, most average.
If you mean the companions specifically they've pretty much all been good looking, with the notable exception of justice who was trapped inside a rotting corpse. So more of the same guess?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 4, 2019 6:59:40 GMT
with the notable exception of justice who was trapped inside a rotting corpse Isn't that one decaying guy in FO4 a LI? (I haven't played the game.) It's not like there isn't an audience for such things. [edit] Yep, he is! Hancock!
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 4, 2019 7:07:21 GMT
Does personality enter into this conversation? To be fair to the OP, one of the three adjectives he used in the thread title does not describe a physical feature. To be fair to everyone else, the other two mean basically the same thing and the whole thing is a loaded question anyway. At any rate, I don't think personality is any less subjective than looks. My problem with Josephine and Cassandra is that I found them bland and dull, something a lot of people will disagree with, I'm sure. I’d say personality is far more subjective. Cassandra I quite liked as a character, didn’t find her particularly attractive but it was the romance that I found a complete turn off. Josie, i’ve Got nothing good to say about her
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Post by Fredward on Mar 4, 2019 10:55:34 GMT
Can't tell whether this counts as a successful troll job or whether it's been subverted into a meaningful discussion.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 4, 2019 11:04:08 GMT
Can't tell whether this counts as a successful troll job or whether it's been subverted into a meaningful discussion. Given that there isn't discussion involving skull overlays and calipers, I'm going with the latter.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 4, 2019 12:38:33 GMT
Can't tell whether this counts as a successful troll job or whether it's been subverted into a meaningful discussion. I always aspire to do both at once.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 4, 2019 16:11:06 GMT
I have my own theories about why straight/bi women are more accepting of '' not conventionally attractive '' men... Do share, because I fall in this camp and am curious. I will say though that knowing (or "knowing" in some cases, since I haven't actually met some people I find attractive, but know some about them) the person definitely colors my perception of how they look. I have a crush on the music artist Asp, but aside from having black hair, he doesn't fall anywhere on my normal spectrum. But I find him quite charming and like how his mind works. However, I can still find attractive those I don't know like, say, actor Stephen McHattie. Well, I feel as if though incredibly attractive men in media are often portrayed as players, cold, heartbreakers, uninteresting and shallow narcissists. A man who doesn't meet every beauty standards jumps out as more approachable if anything. And in terms of appearance, I think it has been pretty much proven that men respond to visual pleasure more so than women. Then there's men in pop culture and male fictional characters: I feel like being a fan of especially characters who aren't extremely attractive, makes a lot of women feel unique, and maybe subconsciously they choose that to feel like they are special in their taste, and because there's not tons of '' competition '' in terms of competing for their attention, or who the biggest fan of said character/person is. But I think that's a bit outdated since a lot of fandoms, like Solas' for example, seem to be very thriving. Maybe fandoms of these not-so-attractive characters have also become some kind of a sisterhood where you can meet people who are like you, where people are open-minded and aren't judgmental of your '' flaws '' because the character the fandom is based around has '' flaws '' as well. And then there's the whole '' Beauty and the Beast '' trope that is VERY prevalent in media and fiction, where a gorgeous gal hooks up with a not so gorgeous man, and they live happily ever after, as the beast of a man constantly feels shame of his own appearance compared to hers, and feels eternal love, devotion and gratitude for her because she graciously saw something good in him despite looking like he does. Tropes like these often include the female counterpart being almost perfect, and the male counterpart always fucking up and having to apologize for his existence. And even if the female counterpart makes a mistake, this guy would never leave her, because he is the '' ugly '' one. That kind of power imbalance in a relationship probably feels empowering or something. I'm not saying everyone is like this, or that most of women are like this either, but it could be partially the reason.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 4, 2019 18:15:14 GMT
witchcocktor Interesting thought process. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 4, 2019 18:32:39 GMT
As any other BioWare game I'm sure there'll be beautiful charismatic women NPCs.
Interestingly I found most of Anthem's NPCs to be rather attractive. I think it's that they look a lot more realistic in their animations as opposed to them being conventionally alluring or anything. So if DA4 follows suit I think all will be well for the thirsty.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 4, 2019 19:07:28 GMT
Well, I feel as if though incredibly attractive men in media are often portrayed as players, cold, heartbreakers, uninteresting and shallow narcissists. A man who doesn't meet every beauty standards jumps out as more approachable if anything. This intuition actually has some science backing it up -- there was a flap a few years ago over "symmetrical" males, I think. . OTOH, studies which confirm what everyone already thinks are the ones which often fail to replicate.
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 21:54:55 GMT
Well, I feel as if though incredibly attractive men in media are often portrayed as players, cold, heartbreakers, uninteresting and shallow narcissists. A man who doesn't meet every beauty standards jumps out as more approachable if anything. This intuition actually has some science backing it up -- there was a flap a few years ago over "symmetrical" males, I think. . OTOH, studies which confirm what everyone already thinks are the ones which often fail to replicate. Women preferring facial symmetry caused a flap? Why :S
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 4, 2019 21:58:38 GMT
This intuition actually has some science backing it up -- there was a flap a few years ago over "symmetrical" males, I think. . OTOH, studies which confirm what everyone already thinks are the ones which often fail to replicate. Women preferring facial symmetry caused a flap? Why :S Because it turns out they were soul-sucking lamprey demons from the world that lies beyond all mirrors.
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Post by xerrai on Mar 5, 2019 4:20:19 GMT
Well, I feel as if though incredibly attractive men in media are often portrayed as players, cold, heartbreakers, uninteresting and shallow narcissists. A man who doesn't meet every beauty standards jumps out as more approachable if anything. This intuition actually has some science backing it up -- there was a flap a few years ago over "symmetrical" males, I think. . OTOH, studies which confirm what everyone already thinks are the ones which often fail to replicate. So is now a bad time to say I want male desire demons? As an advocate for gender equality, I want a male desire demon that is just as appealing as the female ones. And I don't want any fancy character development either, I just want a male desire demon attempting to attract me with lustful thoughts. One incredibly attractive man-demon, please. I don't care if he's a player, or cold, or a heartbreaker, or even uninteresting and a narcissist. I would even prefer him that way. Just give me some eye candy. As a solasmancer, I may need it (but then again odds are high he may revert to a "rebel leader" style so maybe not...).
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 5, 2019 7:53:43 GMT
This intuition actually has some science backing it up -- there was a flap a few years ago over "symmetrical" males, I think. . OTOH, studies which confirm what everyone already thinks are the ones which often fail to replicate. Women preferring facial symmetry caused a flap? Why :S Oh, it wasn't about the women preferring that look. Both sexes prefer that; the last working hypothesis I saw was that it's a marker for good prenatal development. I was responding to the line about attractive men being "players, cold, heartbreakers, uninteresting and shallow narcissists." The symmetrical men did seem to live down to that , presumably because they could. Well, except for the uninteresting part. I don't think there's a metric for that.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 5, 2019 8:38:38 GMT
So is now a bad time to say I want male desire demons? As an advocate for gender equality, I want a male desire demon that is just as appealing. And I’m going to offer the unpopular opinion that it’s an unnecessary use of resources.
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Post by river82 on Mar 5, 2019 8:54:09 GMT
I don't see why there shouldn't be both sexy male and sexy female, desire demons. It'd be fun
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2019 9:01:42 GMT
I don't see why there shouldn't be both sexy male and sexy female, desire demons. It'd be fun desire is a very...personal emotion.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 5, 2019 9:04:41 GMT
So is now a bad time to say I want male desire demons? As an advocate for gender equality, I want a male desire demon that is just as appealing. And I’m going to offer the unpopular opinion that it’s an unnecessary use of resources. Just like everything else in a video game, you mean?
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 5, 2019 9:09:29 GMT
Well, demons have no gender, so they aren’t female OR male. They certainly can shift to a male form if necessary - we have seen that in DA2.
But I don’t see why we need two different base models for one specific enemy type when every other monster in Dragon Age re-uses the same model over and over.
Even in the Fade, there are no “male and female” versions of rage, pride, despair, terror or fear demons. The same goes for spirits.
And it’s not like they actually try to seduce you. We’ve literally only encountered one desire demon that offered its victim sex, and even then, that came with a boat. The sex was just the icing on the cake.
I just see it as a waste of resources that can be spent better elsewhere, much in the same way I view mounts and the option to personalize Skyhold’s friggin’ drapes as a waste.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 5, 2019 9:29:13 GMT
Even in the Fade, there are no “male and female” versions of rage demons, pride demons, despair demons, terror demons or fear demons. So why are desire demons a big deal? Because it's stupid to present only half of sexual desire. While "desire" is not only sexual in nature, the devs have chosen to play with that concept in using a sexy woman. All of those other ones are metaphorical portrayals, like rage being fiery. But sexual desire is not metaphorical; people are attracted to specific genders, or both/all genders. Representing desire as a sexy woman-creature only works if you find women appealing. I can't even pretend to be affected on my characters that are interested in men. But I'd prefer no desire demons at all because executing them correctly for the player/PC would take more resources than I think is acceptable to waste on a single enemy that is not a primary boss. In "reality," a desire demon would be amorphous until it has a target, then it would present itself as whatever gender its target prefers, which it can presumably "read" from the target. Yes, even bi people have preferences; even if they don't overall, right at that moment they might be feeling more same-sex or opposite-sex inclined. Who knows? Every person is different. So how do you portray that to the player and tailor the experience so it feels more "real" to them? You can't go by romance options. What if a person doesn't have a romance? What if they don't flirt with anyone? What if they flirt with everyone just because they can and it doesn't reflect their actual orientation? They're not going to add menu selection for sexuality; that hews too close to a toggle, which they have said they're not doing with the express view that such things be organic. Aside from all that, it would just be nice to have some role reversal. The femme fatale is old and tired and the men deserve a chance to strut their stuff.
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