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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 10, 2019 23:23:32 GMT
You people are forgetting it is not just a slight graphical downgrade. The map looks different, facial animations look different, quests look different, these big walking things shown at E3 do not walk, environments are less detailed, the number of NPC's got reduced, lightning looks worse etc.But yes, of course, E3 is not the most reliable source of information about games. But on top of these downgrades Anthem just barely works as a looter shooter game. So yes, we were lied to. Because we were promised a lot and got very little. ^ Mass Effect, one year prior to release. And yet Mass Effect pushed the industry forward in terms of story telling, character relationships among other things. What has Anthem done?
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 10, 2019 23:26:49 GMT
^ Mass Effect, one year prior to release. And yet Mass Effect pushed the industry forward in terms of story telling, character relationships among other things. What has Anthem done? That wasn't my argument. Simply highlighted the same complaints pointed toward Anthem apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 10, 2019 23:43:38 GMT
^ Mass Effect, one year prior to release. And yet Mass Effect pushed the industry forward in terms of story telling, character relationships among other things. What has Anthem done? Sorry BUT I was not LIED to well, simply put I know how the game industry works you there ENDLESS just know how to stir up …….. well shit so you can leave the building at any time and yes I'm laughing at you.
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Post by river82 on Mar 11, 2019 0:47:00 GMT
^ Mass Effect, one year prior to release. And yet Mass Effect pushed the industry forward in terms of story telling, character relationships among other things. What has Anthem done? We won't be seeing that again from Bioware. It's hard to take risks with games when they're a part of the gigantic AAA gaming industry which needs safe releases for gigantic sale numbers to recoup immense investments. One of the reasons people are on board the CDProjekt train is they are pushing things forward. Exciting to see They don't behave like your typical AAA studio
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 11, 2019 1:50:40 GMT
And yet Mass Effect pushed the industry forward in terms of story telling, character relationships among other things. What has Anthem done? That wasn't my argument. Simply highlighted the same complaints pointed toward Anthem apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word. And what are you looking to accomplish? Yes, ME1 was downgraded from what was shown at E3, just like Anthem and just like TW3. And you're point because at the end of the day, I do not remember ME1 having so much bugs at launch. I do not remember ME1 getting 50% and 60% review scores. I do not remember people saying ME1 was shipped as a incomplete game. I do however remember solid and high review scores. I do remember winning RPG GOTY awards. I do remember the media proclaiming this as a new standard and milestone in videogame cinematic storytelling. But yeah, to satisfy you... ME1 was also downgraded.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 2:33:20 GMT
That wasn't my argument. Simply highlighted the same complaints pointed toward Anthem apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word. And what are you looking to accomplish? Yes, ME1 was downgraded from what was shown at E3, just like Anthem and just like TW3. And you're point because at the end of the day, I do not remember ME1 having so much bugs at launch. I do not remember ME1 getting 50% and 60% review scores. I do not remember people saying ME1 was shipped as a incomplete game. I do however remember solid and high review scores. I do remember winning RPG GOTY awards. I do remember the media proclaiming this as a new standard and milestone in videogame cinematic storytelling. But yeah, to satisfy you... ME1 was also downgraded. Red herring. Simply pointed out complaints toward Anthem also apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 11, 2019 2:44:48 GMT
And what are you looking to accomplish? Yes, ME1 was downgraded from what was shown at E3, just like Anthem and just like TW3. And you're point because at the end of the day, I do not remember ME1 having so much bugs at launch. I do not remember ME1 getting 50% and 60% review scores. I do not remember people saying ME1 was shipped as a incomplete game. I do however remember solid and high review scores. I do remember winning RPG GOTY awards. I do remember the media proclaiming this as a new standard and milestone in videogame cinematic storytelling. But yeah, to satisfy you... ME1 was also downgraded. Red herring. Simply pointed out complaints toward Anthem also apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word. ....ok But ME1 is leagues above Anthem. ME1 was downgraded but yet it was still a solid game all around and did much for the industry. Instead of trying to find examples of how other games were downgraded as some sort of attempt at normalizing the current state of Anthem, you should be concerned about the future of Anthem cause right now (and unlike ME1), it doesnt look so good for Anthem, especially with Divison 2 literally around the corner and will soak up a lot of disgruntled Anthem players whom may never come back.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2019 2:46:42 GMT
And what are you looking to accomplish? Yes, ME1 was downgraded from what was shown at E3, just like Anthem and just like TW3. And you're point because at the end of the day, I do not remember ME1 having so much bugs at launch. I do not remember ME1 getting 50% and 60% review scores. I do not remember people saying ME1 was shipped as a incomplete game. I do however remember solid and high review scores. I do remember winning RPG GOTY awards. I do remember the media proclaiming this as a new standard and milestone in videogame cinematic storytelling. But yeah, to satisfy you... ME1 was also downgraded. Red herring. Simply pointed out complaints toward Anthem also apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word. I mean seriously, if people are going to complain about the graphical downgrade about Anthem from E3 to the game, then they should about almost every game that was presented including ME1 and the Witcher 3 regardless of reception.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 2:53:25 GMT
Red herring. Simply pointed out complaints toward Anthem also apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word. ....ok But ME1 is leagues above Anthem. ME1 was downgraded but yet it was still a solid game all around and did much for the industry. Instead of trying to find examples of how other games were downgraded as some sort of attempt at normalizing the current state of Anthem, you should be concerned about the future of Anthem cause right now (and unlike ME1), it doesnt look so good for Anthem, especially with Divison 2 literally around the corner and will soak up a lot of disgruntled Anthem players whom may never come back. Again, not my argument. Simply pointed out confirmation bias in that same complaints pointed out toward Anthem also apply to first Mass Effect.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 11, 2019 4:09:32 GMT
Indeed or have to wait 10-20 minutes for a game to load. Yes you still have he download/install time but once it's installed it only takes a few seconds to boot up. Whereas back in the day you had a 20 minute wait every time you wanted to play the game before you actually could
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 11, 2019 4:21:22 GMT
The game has lots of issues … some of which BioWare has resolved, others … not yet or perhaps never.
But as far as facial animations are concerned … they are quite extraordinary. In part of the story, I faced a bug that until I figured out how to get around it, resulted in me replaying a story segment over and over. Rather than get up and go out of the room while that part played out, I studied it. The facial animations were really quite impressive.
I'd paid attention to the NPCs up to that point, but after that, I paid more attention to their facial expressions. After the final boss battle for the story … the story continues … at first for some "wrap up loose ends" missions, then some side stories that don't involve missions … but perhaps foreshadow future missions. There are conversations with NPCs that are really quite the thing. Yes, I'm on PC and running everything on either high or ultimate, regardless … there is a galaxy of difference in the facial animations of characters in Anthem as compared to the final patched version of Andromeda.
If you think facial animations in Anthem are poor … perhaps it's different on console, perhaps you're on PC playing on low settings … or perhaps you haven't actually played the game. Anthem may have 99 problems, but facial animations ain' one of them. You took the words from my mouth. Minus the bugged part. Yea hI'd even argue facial animations aer one of the best parts of the game at least on par with DAI's anyway.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Mar 11, 2019 10:49:47 GMT
Indeed or have to wait 10-20 minutes for a game to load. Yes you still have he download/install time but once it's installed it only takes a few seconds to boot up. Whereas back in the day you had a 20 minute wait every time you wanted to play the game before you actually could
Bleh I remember that, even buggered up a few telly's as well...great, now I feel old
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 11, 2019 12:17:11 GMT
....ok But ME1 is leagues above Anthem. ME1 was downgraded but yet it was still a solid game all around and did much for the industry. Instead of trying to find examples of how other games were downgraded as some sort of attempt at normalizing the current state of Anthem, you should be concerned about the future of Anthem cause right now (and unlike ME1), it doesnt look so good for Anthem, especially with Divison 2 literally around the corner and will soak up a lot of disgruntled Anthem players whom may never come back. Again, not my argument. Simply pointed out confirmation bias in that same complaints pointed out toward Anthem also apply to first Mass Effect. Did you ever consider that sometimes when a product that fails to deliver on one end (E3 graphics) is over looked when the product shines bright everywhere else (characters, story, setting, narrative, side quest, exploration, quality of content etc...) So yeah, you presented your argument but your arguement had no legs because it isn't a simple 1 for 1 comparison because one game was a GOTY contender and industry changer while the other was a failure. And before you try to rebuttal, Anthem wasnt panned because of the graphics downgrade, it was panned due to poor gameplay, loading screens, bland Fort Tarsis and many other stuff. So yeah, do your little comparisons but all it is showing is how much bitter you are that Anthem was a launch failure and didnt go the way you expected it to go as well as Bioware. Anthem is dying and Divison 2 will be the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 11, 2019 13:31:08 GMT
Denial is strong in this thread.
Marketing has been about lying and shitting people since the dawn of ages. It's no different with Anthem. And will not be different tomorrow with whathaveyou bought.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 14:55:49 GMT
Again, not my argument. Simply pointed out confirmation bias in that same complaints pointed out toward Anthem also apply to first Mass Effect. Did you ever consider that sometimes when a product that fails to deliver on one end (E3 graphics) is over looked when the product shines bright everywhere else (characters, story, setting, narrative, side quest, exploration, quality of content etc...) So yeah, you presented your argument but your arguement had no legs because it isn't a simple 1 for 1 comparison because one game was a GOTY contender and industry changer while the other was a failure. And before you try to rebuttal, Anthem wasnt panned because of the graphics downgrade, it was panned due to poor gameplay, loading screens, bland Fort Tarsis and many other stuff. So yeah, do your little comparisons but all it is showing is how much bitter you are that Anthem was a launch failure and didnt go the way you expected it to go as well as Bioware. Anthem is dying and Divison 2 will be the final nail in the coffin. Another red herring. You're deflecting by trying to change the subject.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 11, 2019 15:17:10 GMT
Did you ever consider that sometimes when a product that fails to deliver on one end (E3 graphics) is over looked when the product shines bright everywhere else (characters, story, setting, narrative, side quest, exploration, quality of content etc...) So yeah, you presented your argument but your arguement had no legs because it isn't a simple 1 for 1 comparison because one game was a GOTY contender and industry changer while the other was a failure. And before you try to rebuttal, Anthem wasnt panned because of the graphics downgrade, it was panned due to poor gameplay, loading screens, bland Fort Tarsis and many other stuff. So yeah, do your little comparisons but all it is showing is how much bitter you are that Anthem was a launch failure and didnt go the way you expected it to go as well as Bioware. Anthem is dying and Divison 2 will be the final nail in the coffin. Another red herring. You're deflecting by trying to change the subject. Not changing the subject, just adding context to the current subject. You highlighted the fact that ME1 (as well as TW3) was downgraded from their E3 showings some sort of way to say, "why werent people trashing ME1 and TW3 the same way they are Anthem?" But the answer to that question is that unlike Anthem, people were able to turn a blind eye to the graphics downgrade because the rest of the game was just so good, engaging and did a lot to push the industry forward. Whether you want to accept that is up to you but the masses have already spoken. If Anthem didnt have the problems it currently has, nobody would care about the E3 downgrade just like they didnt care with TW3 and ME1. Of course all of this will just go over your head because you have to defend Anthem...you just have to.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 16:26:52 GMT
Since this point got obfuscated, will point it out again to re-clarify. You people are forgetting it is not just a slight graphical downgrade. The map looks different, facial animations look different, quests look different, these big walking things shown at E3 do not walk, environments are less detailed, the number of NPC's got reduced, lightning looks worse etc.But yes, of course, E3 is not the most reliable source of information about games. But on top of these downgrades Anthem just barely works as a looter shooter game. So yes, we were lied to. Because we were promised a lot and got very little. ^ Mass Effect, one year prior to release. Garo stated we were lied about these things for Anthem, with everyone rallying behind pitchforks raised, forgetting same argument applies to precious Mass Effect too.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 11, 2019 16:55:32 GMT
It wasn’t obfuscated. People acknowledged it happened and people didn’t like it then either or any other time it happens. The difference is those games have other qualities that carry it despite the lie. In anthems case it was one of a thousand straws that broke the camels back.
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Post by Garo on Mar 11, 2019 18:36:36 GMT
And what are you looking to accomplish? Yes, ME1 was downgraded from what was shown at E3, just like Anthem and just like TW3. And you're point because at the end of the day, I do not remember ME1 having so much bugs at launch. I do not remember ME1 getting 50% and 60% review scores. I do not remember people saying ME1 was shipped as a incomplete game. I do however remember solid and high review scores. I do remember winning RPG GOTY awards. I do remember the media proclaiming this as a new standard and milestone in videogame cinematic storytelling. But yeah, to satisfy you... ME1 was also downgraded. Red herring. Simply pointed out complaints toward Anthem also apply to Mass Effect 1. Word for word. Do they tho? Everything he said in that video ended up being in the final game, facial animations and envirionents look pretty much the same, lighting ended up being brighter and combat ended up being less stiff than what was shown in the video. And Mass Effect unlike Anthem was a complete, good game at day 1.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2019 18:38:00 GMT
It wasn’t obfuscated. People acknowledged it happened and people didn’t like it then either or any other time it happens. The difference is those games have other qualities that carry it despite the lie. In anthems case it was one of a thousand straws that broke the camels back. Doubtful, people pushed this graphical downgrade as though it was some major lie.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 11, 2019 18:48:41 GMT
It wasn’t obfuscated. People acknowledged it happened and people didn’t like it then either or any other time it happens. The difference is those games have other qualities that carry it despite the lie. In anthems case it was one of a thousand straws that broke the camels back. The argument was the lie and not everything else you're trying to add for deflection.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 11, 2019 18:53:53 GMT
It wasn’t obfuscated. People acknowledged it happened and people didn’t like it then either or any other time it happens. The difference is those games have other qualities that carry it despite the lie. In anthems case it was one of a thousand straws that broke the camels back. The argument was the lie and not everything else you're trying to add for deflection. I get that you are a troll and you don’t engage arguments in good faith and just say things like deflection, obfuscation, straw man etc. but at least have a shred of logic while doing it.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 11, 2019 18:54:56 GMT
It wasn’t obfuscated. People acknowledged it happened and people didn’t like it then either or any other time it happens. The difference is those games have other qualities that carry it despite the lie. In anthems case it was one of a thousand straws that broke the camels back. Doubtful, people pushed this graphical downgrade as though it was some major lie. I think you are reading far more into peoples comments than is there outside probably a few outliers you will find in any group.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2019 18:59:18 GMT
Doubtful, people pushed this graphical downgrade as though it was some major lie. I think you are reading far more into peoples comments than is there outside probably a few outliers you will find in any group. This thread begs to differ.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 11, 2019 19:11:57 GMT
I think you are reading far more into peoples comments than is there outside probably a few outliers you will find in any group. This thread begs to differ. Yeah to your assertion. The number of people who are complaining just about a graphical shift from e3 to now is tiny in a thread where it’s about calling people out for being upset about lies. The thread title trolled for hordes and got a tiny handful.
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