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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 8, 2019 0:37:03 GMT
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Post by Abramsrunner on Mar 8, 2019 0:43:26 GMT
Well I guess it's not like the Endless Siege has 100% more mag size, & damage with "400" rounds in the mag before modifiers, but the Endless Siege uses 2 ammo a shot. The fact that a level 1 normie Cloudburst with 150 mag can compete with an Endless Siege with god rolls on it is telling that the scaling has a massive issue.
It wouldn't surprise me if someone in the future does testing with legendaries & finds that they do less damage than an equivalent masterwork item because they have a higher power level.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 8, 2019 0:59:21 GMT
Here's the Endless Siege that can one clip an Ursix on Freeplay GM1. Just confirmed this. With enough headshots, even without that 100% dmg bonus stat you might be able to also. Well I guess it's not like the Endless Siege has 100% more mag size, & damage with "400" rounds in the mag before modifiers, but the Endless Siege uses 2 ammo a shot. The fact that a level 1 normie Cloudburst with 150 mag can compete with an Endless Siege with god rolls on it is telling that the scaling has a massive issue. It wouldn't surprise me if someone in the future does testing with legendaries & finds that they do less damage than an equivalent masterwork item because they have a higher power level. So deflating a Titanfall 2 issue is no problemo. But deflating an Anthem issue, run for the hills. Back to that reload problem of the Couldburst, enough time to make a sandwich. And lets not forget you can get staggered out of it, so if you thought time for one sandwich was fun, try two or more.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 8, 2019 1:19:48 GMT
And, Abramsrunner , you know I luv ya. Remember that time we first meet in that Reactor match and you were none stop high five'ing me in between waves? Good times, gud times. And this goes for the rest of you. We BSNers, we're family.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 8, 2019 9:23:39 GMT
Note, report, patch, move on. sure But you move on when it is patched, not before And that is still not acceptable after six years, the delivery of an MVP and the staggering level of brokenness of this product Well, you do you. I don't see a point in circle-jerking around an issue that has been identified and is getting patched out. Better to isolate other points that may or may no be a problem. This one though? If you want to run around in lvl1 weapons until the patch knock yourself out.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 8, 2019 9:28:42 GMT
[Terminator's quote in here] (Sorry, can't quote properly from my cellphone)
Deflating a Titanfall 2 issue? Geez, this Bioware fanboy is really obsessed, willing to defend Anthem whatever it takes.
Dude, the only post you've found on the internet regarding that single weapon which during a very specific circumstance did possibly (just possibly) more damage to Titans and less damage to pilots than it was intended has zero replies. It was a non-issue in the game. Could it kill a Titan faster than other weapons? Maybe. But it still takes some time to get a Titan down and an exposed pilot would still get 1 hit kill by the Titan nevertheless. The best way to kill a Titan is using another Titan.
And dude, seriously, you haven't played the game, you don't know anything about it, and now you are desperately trying to find issues about that game on the internet to say it was as broken as Anthem? That is the most juvenile fanboyism I've seen.
You don't need to dig that far. If you don't trust my judgement, go check the reviewers. There are lots of those giving 8/9s to Titanfall 2 and 6s to Anthem. Unless you for some reason believe that you are better qualified at evaluating a game you know nothing about than the reviwers. Then I guess there isn't much else I can say.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 8, 2019 9:55:24 GMT
As for the Level 1 Cloudburst vs an endgame Endless Siege, the Endless Siege cannot outdps its Level 1 counterpart at all. What it can do is to outlast it due to a larger magazine.
Nevertheless, we are comparing a starter weapon that requires zero time investment to an endgame weapon that requires 40, maybe 45 or 50 hours invested or even more if you are unlucky. Yet the best we can say is that there are trade offs between the two, one wins by raw damage and the other one through persistence.
Do you guys see a problem here? I really hope you do.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 8, 2019 10:35:45 GMT
[Terminator's quote in here] (Sorry, can't quote properly from my cellphone) Deflating a Titanfall 2 issue? Geez, this Bioware fanboy is really obsessed, willing to defend Anthem whatever it takes. Dude, the only post you've found on the internet regarding that single weapon which during a very specific circumstance did possibly (just possibly) more damage to Titans and less damage to pilots than it was intended has zero replies. It was a non-issue in the game. Could it kill a Titan faster than other weapons? Maybe. But it still takes some time to get a Titan down and an exposed pilot would still get 1 hit kill by the Titan nevertheless. The best way to kill a Titan is using another Titan. And dude, seriously, you haven't played the game, you don't know anything about it, and now you are desperately trying to find issues about that game on the internet to say it was as broken as Anthem? That is the most juvenile fanboyism I've seen. You don't need to dig that far. If you don't trust my judgement, go check the reviewers. There are lots of those giving 8/9s to Titanfall 2 and 6s to Anthem. Unless you for some reason believe that you are better qualified at evaluating a game you know nothing about than the reviwers. Then I guess there isn't much else I can say. First, can you back up that 'I'm a blind BioWare fanboy' strawman/ad hominem assertion? (Don't make me dig up posts where I rip Andromeda sp and mp a new one, or how I had to force myself to beat DAO, couldn't force myself past halfway of DA2, couldn't be bothered with DAI and how in 3 playthroughs attempts lost interest in first KotOR hub world) Second, is this glitch breaking the game for you personally? As in, are you only playing with these weapons or even at all.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 8, 2019 10:49:55 GMT
As for the Level 1 Cloudburst vs an endgame Endless Siege, the Endless Siege cannot outdps its Level 1 counterpart at all. What it can do is to outlast it due to a larger magazine. Nevertheless, we are comparing a starter weapon that requires zero time investment to an endgame weapon that requires 40, maybe 45 or 50 hours invested or even more if you are unlucky. Yet the best we can say is that there are trade offs between the two, one wins by raw damage and the other one through persistence. Do you guys see a problem here? I really hope you do. Cloudburst sucked at level 1 and still sucks at so called Ubermanch levels because dps can stand for single clip and multi-clip dps. This can result in a big difference as I will demonstrate. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U8T5SZxl9sncgkcIGQVuNI1BHwKyPEkqfAOwOXRXD38/htmlembed?widget=false#^ ie. M-11 Supressor is not the third best multi-clip dps weapon in ME3mp, far from it. But it is the third best single clip dps. EDIT - and lets not forget the Cloudburst required windup which only acts as an extention to the already very long reload animation.
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Post by tatann on Mar 8, 2019 11:32:38 GMT
And this goes for the rest of you. We BSNers, we're family. In which case you're my drunk MAGA uncle :love:
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 8, 2019 11:47:16 GMT
First, can you back up that 'I'm a blind BioWare fanboy' strawman/ad hominem assertion? (Don't make me dig up posts where I rip Andromeda sp and mp a new one, or how I had to force myself to beat DAO, couldn't force myself past halfway of DA2, couldn't be bothered with DAI and how in 3 playthroughs attempts lost interest in first KotOR hub world) Second, is this glitch breaking the game for you personally? As in, are you only playing with these weapons or even at all. Firstly apologize for the ad hominem, in case it seemed to be as such. Nevertheless, I believe you are being a fanboy for Anthem, and for Anthem only, something which I should have worded better. You are literally turning a blind eye to this problem, as well as other problems which altogether constitute a very poor release state, something widely acknowledged by all critics as well as most gamers who do not live inside a bubble. And you are doing so because you enjoy the game. And believe me, I don't want to take away your enjoyment from the game, not at all. If you like the game, so play it and have fun. But if you are here on this thread to talk about Anthem's faults, you don't need to go to the extent of digging issues from another game (especially one that is widely regarded as a very well-polished product) to justify whatever fault Anthem may have. That is fanboyism, my fellow BSNer. As for this glitch breaking the game for me, personally, I have two things to say: 1) I haven't played Anthem in about a week. I have about 60 hours in, but as it stands now, I am tired and pretty much done with the game (as are many other players). If I were playing and enjoying Anthem, however, would that glitch affect me? Hell yeah it would. It would ruin all my grinding, all my will to grind would be gone, all new masterwork weapon drops would be ruined for me, it would bring down the difficulty of Grandmaster 1 considerably, it would ruin all the effort I put to get the biggest damage number I could on the screen since now I know that number does not mean shit. There is no glitch that does not ruin a game I love, my fellow BSNer, not a single one. I enjoyed the hell out of Andromeda Multiplayer, yet I was here on BSN time and time again criticizing how broken it was and calling out Billy Buskell to fix that crap. Same thing with Inquisition Multiplayer. 2) Again, the glitch is not just about one individual's experience. It is about quality. I waited years for the game, I finally bought it, I paid for it (I didn't really pay for Anthem, I got it in a bundle, but let's say I paid) and I convinced my friends to do the same. I expect it to have some basic quality standards, such as a functioning loot progression curve. I guess that is the bare minimum I could ask for. If the game is broken, I will not lower my bar for the game to fit my expectations as a consumer. I will simply criticize it for what it is, playing and enjoying it or not.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 8, 2019 12:06:46 GMT
Cloudburst sucked at level 1 and still sucks at so called Ubermanch levels because dps can stand for single clip and multi-clip dps. This can result in a big difference as I will demonstrate. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U8T5SZxl9sncgkcIGQVuNI1BHwKyPEkqfAOwOXRXD38/htmlembed?widget=false#^ ie. M-11 Supressor is not the third best multi-clip dps weapon in ME3mp, far from it. But it is the third best single clip dps. EDIT - and lets not forget the Cloudburst required windup which only acts as an extention to the already very long reload animation. Interesting detailing on how the weapons differ. I don't have an Endless Siege myself, but I have a Legendary The Last Stand with +225% damage inscription. I will try at some point which one is better, that one or the Cloudburst. Still, the Cloudburst is just one weapon, and there are several Level 1 white in the game, across all archetypes. An argument can be made that maybe, just maybe, the Cloudburst is not the best weapon in its slot. For the other weapons though, we are yet to see. Nevertheless, I will go back to what I had said before, but with fewer words to make it mode evident: We are comparing a Level 1 white weapon that requires zero time investment to an endgame weapon that requires a substantial amount of time invested as well as RNG in order to be obtained. We are comparing those two, as if they were at a similar level and worth being compared. That, my fellow BSNer, does not seem right to me.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 8, 2019 12:10:45 GMT
First, can you back up that 'I'm a blind BioWare fanboy' strawman/ad hominem assertion? (Don't make me dig up posts where I rip Andromeda sp and mp a new one, or how I had to force myself to beat DAO, couldn't force myself past halfway of DA2, couldn't be bothered with DAI and how in 3 playthroughs attempts lost interest in first KotOR hub world) Second, is this glitch breaking the game for you personally? As in, are you only playing with these weapons or even at all. Firstly apologize for the ad hominem, in case it seemed to be as such. Nevertheless, I believe you are being a fanboy for Anthem, and for Anthem only, something which I should have worded better. You are literally turning a blind eye to this problem, as well as other problems which altogether constitute a very poor release state, something widely acknowledged by all critics as well as most gamers who do not live inside a bubble. And you are doing so because you enjoy the game. And believe me, I don't want to take away your enjoyment from the game, not at all. If you like the game, so play it and have fun. But if you are here on this thread to talk about Anthem's faults, you don't need to go to the extent of digging issues from another game (especially one that is widely regarded as a very well-polished product) to justify whatever fault Anthem may have. That is fanboyism, my fellow BSNer. As for this glitch breaking the game for me, personally, I have two things to say: 1) I haven't played Anthem in about a week. I have about 60 hours in, but as it stands now, I am tired and pretty much done with the game (as are many other players). If I were playing and enjoying Anthem, however, would that glitch affect me? Hell yeah it would. It would ruin all my grinding, all my will to grind would be gone, all new masterwork weapon drops would be ruined for me, it would bring down the difficulty of Grandmaster 1 considerably, it would ruin all the effort I put to get the biggest damage number I could on the screen since now I know that number does not mean shit. There is no glitch that does not ruin a game I love, my fellow BSNer, not a single one. I enjoyed the hell out of Andromeda Multiplayer, yet I was here on BSN time and time again criticizing how broken it was and calling out Billy Buskell to fix that crap. Same thing with Inquisition Multiplayer. 2) Again, the glitch is not just about one individual's experience. It is about quality. I waited years for the game, I finally bought it, I paid for it (I didn't really pay for Anthem, I got it in a bundle, but let's say I paid) and I convinced my friends to do the same. I expect it to have some basic quality standards, such as a functioning loot progression curve. I guess that is the bare minimum I could ask for. If the game is broken, I will not lower my bar for the game to fit my expectations as a consumer. I will simply criticize it for what it is, playing and enjoying it or not. Apologies accepted. Did not turn a blind eye to this weapon issue, simply pointing out it's being blown way out of proportion. 1) So you're just making assumptions based on appealing to consensus. I'll take this as a concession. 2) Overall quality of Anthem is not the subject of this thread, therefore off topic and already plenty of threads for that.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 8, 2019 12:17:56 GMT
Cloudburst sucked at level 1 and still sucks at so called Ubermanch levels because dps can stand for single clip and multi-clip dps. This can result in a big difference as I will demonstrate. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U8T5SZxl9sncgkcIGQVuNI1BHwKyPEkqfAOwOXRXD38/htmlembed?widget=false#^ ie. M-11 Supressor is not the third best multi-clip dps weapon in ME3mp, far from it. But it is the third best single clip dps. EDIT - and lets not forget the Cloudburst required windup which only acts as an extention to the already very long reload animation. Interesting detailing on how the weapons differ. I don't have an Endless Siege myself, but I have a Legendary The Last Stand with +225% damage inscription. I will try at some point which one is better, that one or the Cloudburst. Still, the Cloudburst is just one weapon, and there are several Level 1 white in the game, across all archetypes. An argument can be made that maybe, just maybe, the Cloudburst is not the best weapon in its slot. For the other weapons though, we are yet to see. Nevertheless, I will go back to what I had said before, but with fewer words to make it mode evident: We are comparing a Level 1 white weapon that requires zero time investment to an endgame weapon that requires a substantial amount of time invested as well as RNG in order to be obtained. We are comparing those two, as if they were at a similar level and worth being compared. That, my fellow BSNer, does not seem right to me. Looking forward to that The Last Stand 225% mini gun comparison. As for other level 1 whites, didn't even know they still drop. Doubt they'll make a difference or if a good one can be found in time before next patch, but interested in the comparisons if anyone is willing to present it. Weapon comparisons is something I'm into. ie. I've studied that ME3mp dps chart a lot bitd.
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 8, 2019 13:54:07 GMT
I can, sort of, understand that the issue could discourage the will to grind for high quality gear if they hadn't already said they were going to fix it. But all it means is that the grinding is pointless until they fix it and once they fix it (which will be in the very near future) it will all still have been worth it. So no harm done. Seems a non-issue to me under the circumstances. A few days ago I unlocked the Storm as my last Javelin and only had the level 1 Ice Shards for that gear slot when I first took it out. I thought it was pretty effective for a level 1 but I didn't know about this bug at the time! It's just as well it was up to par, really, since I didn't get an upgrade or enough mats to craft an upgrade for a couple of Freeplays. I think, once they fix the level 1 issue they need to change it so that the default gear for a new Javelin is appropriate for your pilot level when you unlock it. Otherwise it's going to make those first few missions pretty tough
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 8, 2019 16:06:57 GMT
I can, sort of, understand that the issue could discourage the will to grind for high quality gear if they hadn't already said they were going to fix it. But all it means is that the grinding is pointless until they fix it and once they fix it (which will be in the very near future) it will all still have been worth it. So no harm done. Seems a non-issue to me under the circumstances. A few days ago I unlocked the Storm as my last Javelin and only had the level 1 Ice Shards for that gear slot when I first took it out. I thought it was pretty effective for a level 1 but I didn't know about this bug at the time! It's just as well it was up to par, really, since I didn't get an upgrade or enough mats to craft an upgrade for a couple of Freeplays. I think, once they fix the level 1 issue they need to change it so that the default gear for a new Javelin is appropriate for your pilot level when you unlock it. Otherwise it's going to make those first few missions pretty tough If you can make good use of the level 1 stuff and enjoy using them, recommend just using them to make farming until you find something better easier. So it really doesn't break the loot farming model at all. This was my original intention when hearing of this bug, to take advantage of easier loot hunting by making GM2 less bullet sponge-worthy before the patch fix (which is in 3 days, btw). Alas, to my disappointment, this was not the case for me. And honestly don't see this as an exploit at all in the context of equipment I'm rocking; As a side note, these pics are also a very good indication as to why I'm enjoying this game so much. Playing with this setup is an absolute blast, especially in GM1 Freeplay where I'm just in my own world chewing bubble gum, smoking legal top quality herb, listening to good atmospheric YouTube tunes in backgound and kicking butt Rambo lone wolf style. So yeah, keep farming for the good stuff to further boost enjoyment of game. Because if this weapon exploit is the best you've got, maybe I can understand part of a reason why some find this game boring.
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