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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 8:51:59 GMT
Holy hell, that was painful to watch. They got nothing. As expected. But where are the white knights now? When I was saying the exact same thing weeks ago I was being aggressively jumped at with "they will shower us with content, they just hold it back and will give it in a month, they have plans for all of it, they will be fixing things every week, it's a long journey, blah blah blah". It was obvious Bioware got nothing back then and they got nothing now. Truth time, people - EA is pulling the plug. Basic fixes needed almost 3 weeks to be released. And that right after launch. This is not ok. We are in the exact same spot we were with Andromeda. Bioware is all happy faces, telling you not to worry, but in a few months all will realize the game has a skeleton crew and no further update plans outside of finishing and releasing whatever they have in a somewhat advanced state right now. Anthem will become Free to play just so there is a chance you get grouped with someone.
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 7, 2019 9:17:35 GMT
:sigh:: This is reminding me far, far too much of the debacle that was the launch of Galactic Command and that didn't end well for Ben Irving. If Anthem fails the way GC did... Ben I don't think will be getting the sideways shuffle he'll be getting a DCM. I hope I'm wrong of course.... See, it seems to me like the other way around. They moved him to Anthem because he marketed Command the way EA wanted him to. If Anthem fails, it'll be blamed on people way below Ben, and he himself'll just be put on another project to promote the games-as-a-service method. Exactly right, Ben got promoted to up and not out when he came up with GC. Galactic Command essentially is to prolong game play and to provide content via in game grind without actually having to add any physical content. That's a devious kind of brilliant in their eyes.
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 7, 2019 10:18:07 GMT
I got nothing but positive vibes from that stream. Lots of bugs and issues fixed in an incredibly short period of time including the ones the community are most upset about like the crashes and disconnects, improvements everywhere and confirmation that a lot of other things are going to be improved in the not too distant future.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 7, 2019 10:42:51 GMT
Holy hell, that was painful to watch. They got nothing. As expected. But where are the white knights now? When I was saying the exact same thing weeks ago I was being aggressively jumped at with "they will shower us with content, they just hold it back and will give it in a month, they have plans for all of it, they will be fixing things every week, it's a long journey, blah blah blah". It was obvious Bioware got nothing back then and they got nothing now. Truth time, people - EA is pulling the plug. Basic fixes needed almost 3 weeks to be released. And that right after launch. This is not ok. We are in the exact same spot we were with Andromeda. Bioware is all happy faces, telling you not to worry, but in a few months all will realize the game has a skeleton crew and no further update plans outside of finishing and releasing whatever they have in a somewhat advanced state right now. Anthem will become Free to play just so there is a chance you get grouped with someone. EA sure have a strange way of pulling the plug. Have all the cast back for really expensive mo-capping and voice acting.
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Post by bshep on Mar 7, 2019 10:50:51 GMT
Holy hell, that was painful to watch. They got nothing. As expected. But where are the white knights now? When I was saying the exact same thing weeks ago I was being aggressively jumped at with "they will shower us with content, they just hold it back and will give it in a month, they have plans for all of it, they will be fixing things every week, it's a long journey, blah blah blah". It was obvious Bioware got nothing back then and they got nothing now. Truth time, people - EA is pulling the plug. Basic fixes needed almost 3 weeks to be released. And that right after launch. This is not ok. We are in the exact same spot we were with Andromeda. Bioware is all happy faces, telling you not to worry, but in a few months all will realize the game has a skeleton crew and no further update plans outside of finishing and releasing whatever they have in a somewhat advanced state right now. Anthem will become Free to play just so there is a chance you get grouped with someone. How about try reading the twitter thread before repeating the same doom and gloom?
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 11:19:13 GMT
As expected. But where are the white knights now? When I was saying the exact same thing weeks ago I was being aggressively jumped at with "they will shower us with content, they just hold it back and will give it in a month, they have plans for all of it, they will be fixing things every week, it's a long journey, blah blah blah". It was obvious Bioware got nothing back then and they got nothing now. Truth time, people - EA is pulling the plug. Basic fixes needed almost 3 weeks to be released. And that right after launch. This is not ok. We are in the exact same spot we were with Andromeda. Bioware is all happy faces, telling you not to worry, but in a few months all will realize the game has a skeleton crew and no further update plans outside of finishing and releasing whatever they have in a somewhat advanced state right now. Anthem will become Free to play just so there is a chance you get grouped with someone. How about try reading the twitter thread before repeating the same doom and gloom? You mean like the Cora voice actress (it was her, right?) hinting at doing more work for MEA after launch? That turned out well.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 11:28:27 GMT
As expected. But where are the white knights now? When I was saying the exact same thing weeks ago I was being aggressively jumped at with "they will shower us with content, they just hold it back and will give it in a month, they have plans for all of it, they will be fixing things every week, it's a long journey, blah blah blah". It was obvious Bioware got nothing back then and they got nothing now. Truth time, people - EA is pulling the plug. Basic fixes needed almost 3 weeks to be released. And that right after launch. This is not ok. We are in the exact same spot we were with Andromeda. Bioware is all happy faces, telling you not to worry, but in a few months all will realize the game has a skeleton crew and no further update plans outside of finishing and releasing whatever they have in a somewhat advanced state right now. Anthem will become Free to play just so there is a chance you get grouped with someone. EA sure have a strange way of pulling the plug. Have all the cast back for really expensive mo-capping and voice acting. Pure speculation and wishful thinking on the ammount and cost of the mocap on your part. The photo could very well be from a year ago for all anyone knows. Not to mention the mocap can be a couple of hours work for a few ingame gestures and a smile. If Bioware had anything worth to show you can bet they would have shown it in full force and not just hinting and leaving you to fill the huge blanks with wild imagination.
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 7, 2019 11:30:51 GMT
Holy hell, that was painful to watch. They got nothing. As expected. But where are the white knights now? When I was saying the exact same thing weeks ago I was being aggressively jumped at with "they will shower us with content, they just hold it back and will give it in a month, they have plans for all of it, they will be fixing things every week, it's a long journey, blah blah blah". It was obvious Bioware got nothing back then and they got nothing now. Truth time, people - EA is pulling the plug. Basic fixes needed almost 3 weeks to be released. And that right after launch. This is not ok. We are in the exact same spot we were with Andromeda. Bioware is all happy faces, telling you not to worry, but in a few months all will realize the game has a skeleton crew and no further update plans outside of finishing and releasing whatever they have in a somewhat advanced state right now. Anthem will become Free to play just so there is a chance you get grouped with someone. Why does your post sound like the "truth"sayer near the fountain in fort tarsis?
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 11:56:28 GMT
As expected. But where are the white knights now? When I was saying the exact same thing weeks ago I was being aggressively jumped at with "they will shower us with content, they just hold it back and will give it in a month, they have plans for all of it, they will be fixing things every week, it's a long journey, blah blah blah". It was obvious Bioware got nothing back then and they got nothing now. Truth time, people - EA is pulling the plug. Basic fixes needed almost 3 weeks to be released. And that right after launch. This is not ok. We are in the exact same spot we were with Andromeda. Bioware is all happy faces, telling you not to worry, but in a few months all will realize the game has a skeleton crew and no further update plans outside of finishing and releasing whatever they have in a somewhat advanced state right now. Anthem will become Free to play just so there is a chance you get grouped with someone. Why does your post sound like the "truth"sayer near the fountain in fort tarsis?
Because you wish it to be so 😀 I would be happy to be wrong. But the past MO of EA and the signs we see point to certain conclusions for me. Sadly the BW stream was exactly what I expected and just confirmed what I suspected since the game launch. I don't see the big EA commitment to turn the project around. And yeah, if I don't see it I will assume it doesn't exist. Waiting on much more proof than happy faces and sporadical tweets. Ingame proof. Fixing basic issues faster than every 3 weeks. Acknowledging and fixing broken core game mechanics instead of "keep looking at it". They had 6 years to look, we should be past that. Show and talk about upcoming content...if you have it. If there is nothing to show or talk about, there is nothing to come. I am dissapointed comparing how active BW was pre-release and how inactive they are now. It feels like every response from them post-launch is from an annoyed employee that doesn't want to be bothered anymore with that past project: "Yeah, yeah, I'll look into it...Yeah, I will fix some of that whenever I feel like it...Yeah, more is to come, stop calling. No, I don't know when or what and won't talk about it. I said March? No, no, no, misunderstanding. I meant April...ish. In May...probably."
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 7, 2019 12:07:23 GMT
EA sure have a strange way of pulling the plug. Have all the cast back for really expensive mo-capping and voice acting. Pure speculation and wishful thinking on the ammount and cost of the mocap on your part. The photo could very well be from a year ago for all anyone knows. Not to mention the mocap can be a couple of hours work for a few ingame gestures and a smile. If Bioware had anything worth to show you can bet they would have shown it in full force and not just hinting and leaving you to fill the huge blanks with wild imagination. WTF. Yours is just as much speculation as his XD well. A lot more, actually.
Anyway, if you want to live in your ea hating bubble that's your choice. But don't pretend to spout facts when you have none.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 12:35:07 GMT
Pure speculation and wishful thinking on the ammount and cost of the mocap on your part. The photo could very well be from a year ago for all anyone knows. Not to mention the mocap can be a couple of hours work for a few ingame gestures and a smile. If Bioware had anything worth to show you can bet they would have shown it in full force and not just hinting and leaving you to fill the huge blanks with wild imagination. WTF. Yours is just as much speculation as his XD well. A lot more, actually.
Anyway, if you want to live in your ea hating bubble that's your choice. But don't pretend to spout facts when you have none.
Here is a shocker for you - I don't hate EA. But I don't close my eyes to their business habits. And thanks for confirming the "bright future" about mocap is a speculation. That was exactly my point and why I offered a similar, but reversed speculation. But in my case I didn't offer it as a fact if you take notice. I never claimed to give facts at the state of Anthem. I offer my speculations based on past behavior of EA. And that past behavior is a fact. Until EA breaks their cycle and surprise me, I won't be an optimist for Anthem's future. And as for Bioware showing what they got - well, if we look from E3 2017 up until the customization stream not so long ago, they seem to have shown way more from the game than they actually got (ain't that funny). So yeah, I do bet if they had anything to show, they would.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 7, 2019 12:38:48 GMT
EA sure have a strange way of pulling the plug. Have all the cast back for really expensive mo-capping and voice acting. Pure speculation and wishful thinking on the ammount and cost of the mocap on your part. The photo could very well be from a year ago for all anyone knows. Not to mention the mocap can be a couple of hours work for a few ingame gestures and a smile. If Bioware had anything worth to show you can bet they would have shown it in full force and not just hinting and leaving you to fill the huge blanks with wild imagination. That is some tin-foil hat level conspiracy theory there Saandrig. I don't know the exact figures of course bur it has been stated here and from devs that voice over is expensive stuff. That is why they book a studio one day and then record everything. So taking actors back for recording is expensive. Same goes for mocapping. Probably more so. If you want to believe Warsching and the rest are outright lying about being back in the studio that is your choice but don't hold your breath.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 12:51:15 GMT
Pure speculation and wishful thinking on the ammount and cost of the mocap on your part. The photo could very well be from a year ago for all anyone knows. Not to mention the mocap can be a couple of hours work for a few ingame gestures and a smile. If Bioware had anything worth to show you can bet they would have shown it in full force and not just hinting and leaving you to fill the huge blanks with wild imagination. That is some tin-foil hat level conspiracy theory there Saandrig. I don't know the exact figures of course bur it has been stated here and from devs that voice over is expensive stuff. That is why they book a studio one day and then record everything. So taking actors back for recording is expensive. Same goes for mocapping. Probably more so. If you want to believe Warsching and the rest are outright lying about being back in the studio that is your choice but don't hold your breath. Where did I say Warsching lies about being back? No reason to lie about that. However there is no statement at how much work is being done and by how many people. It could be anything from 10 lines of dialogue (cheap) to a full blown Mass Effect ammount of dialogue (expensive, no doubt). But if we look how much dialogue Anthem has...meh, not bringing my hopes up yet. And there are like 2 cutscenes in the game worth mentioning, so no hopes up for the mocap as well. I don't know the context of the dev comment on voice over expenses, but it could be more relevant for past BW titles where they probably spent much. I am not sure if Anthem has more voice over dialogue than even Baldur's gate 2 😀
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 7, 2019 12:58:09 GMT
considering all the things they patched in a matter of only 2 weeks, I'd say hot damn they're working hard. Well done! inbeforeinternetrehashcommentabouthowthegameshouldn'thavebeensobuggyinthefirstplace I mean, would a consumer be wrong or out of their element to expect a final $60 product that was in development for 6 years by the company's A team to have been in better shape?
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 7, 2019 13:05:08 GMT
WTF. Yours is just as much speculation as his XD well. A lot more, actually.
Anyway, if you want to live in your ea hating bubble that's your choice. But don't pretend to spout facts when you have none.
Here is a shocker for you - I don't hate EA. But I don't close my eyes to their business habits. And thanks for confirming the "bright future" about mocap is a speculation. That was exactly my point and why I offered a similar, but reversed speculation. But in my case I didn't offer it as a fact if you take notice. I never claimed to give facts at the state of Anthem. I offer my speculations based on past behavior of EA. And that past behavior is a fact. Until EA breaks their cycle and surprise me, I won't be an optimist for Anthem's future. And as for Bioware showing what they got - well, if we look from E3 2017 up until the customization stream not so long ago, they seem to have shown way more from the game than they actually got (ain't that funny). So yeah, I do bet if they had anything to show, they would. Anything is as much speculation as the other, but in my world view there is a stark difference between speculation based on circumstancial historical evidence, and flat out taking nothing at face value or even outright inciting others to assume them as liars.
Also, they did a shit ton of updates over 2 weeks. That is a FACT. How long will you keep the launch as a stick to swing around? 1 month? 2 months? Until the game is what YOU want it to be?
Lastly, it is their right to divulge as much of the future updates as they like. If they want to keep some things hidden for now, that's their right. And they were already very forthcoming with their 90 day roadmap. There is zero factual current evidence to doubt that they will deliver.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 7, 2019 13:08:27 GMT
That is some tin-foil hat level conspiracy theory there Saandrig. I don't know the exact figures of course bur it has been stated here and from devs that voice over is expensive stuff. That is why they book a studio one day and then record everything. So taking actors back for recording is expensive. Same goes for mocapping. Probably more so. If you want to believe Warsching and the rest are outright lying about being back in the studio that is your choice but don't hold your breath. Where did I say Warsching lies about being back? No reason to lie about that. However there is no statement at how much work is being done and by how many people. It could be anything from 10 lines of dialogue (cheap) to a full blown Mass Effect ammount of dialogue (expensive, no doubt). But if we look how much dialogue Anthem has...meh, not bringing my hopes up yet. And there are like 2 cutscenes in the game worth mentioning, so no hopes up for the mocap as well. I don't know the context of the dev comment on voice over expenses, but it could be more relevant for past BW titles where they probably spent much. I am not sure if Anthem has more voice over dialogue than even Baldur's gate 2 😀 I thought the general view on EA was that they where all into cutting costs and now you're suggesting they'd ok hiring a recording studio for ten lines of dialogue? I doubt it. but if that's what you want to run with knock yourself out. And there were way more than two cut-scenes.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 7, 2019 13:14:21 GMT
Here is a shocker for you - I don't hate EA. But I don't close my eyes to their business habits. And thanks for confirming the "bright future" about mocap is a speculation. That was exactly my point and why I offered a similar, but reversed speculation. But in my case I didn't offer it as a fact if you take notice. I never claimed to give facts at the state of Anthem. I offer my speculations based on past behavior of EA. And that past behavior is a fact. Until EA breaks their cycle and surprise me, I won't be an optimist for Anthem's future. And as for Bioware showing what they got - well, if we look from E3 2017 up until the customization stream not so long ago, they seem to have shown way more from the game than they actually got (ain't that funny). So yeah, I do bet if they had anything to show, they would. Anything is as much speculation as the other, but in my world view there is a stark difference between speculation based on circumstancial historical evidence, and flat out taking nothing at face value or even outright inciting others to assume them as liars.
Also, they did a shit ton of updates over 2 weeks. That is a FACT. How long will you keep the launch as a stick to swing around? 1 month? 2 months? Until the game is what YOU want it to be?
Lastly, it is their right to divulge as much of the future updates as they like. If they want to keep some things hidden for now, that's their right. And they were already very forthcoming with their 90 day roadmap. There is zero factual current evidence to doubt that they will deliver.
My recollection from the customisation stream is that they said that what we were seeing there was indeed more than we would get at launch. A lot of it would initially be hidden behind challenges etc.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 13:19:06 GMT
Where did I say Warsching lies about being back? No reason to lie about that. However there is no statement at how much work is being done and by how many people. It could be anything from 10 lines of dialogue (cheap) to a full blown Mass Effect ammount of dialogue (expensive, no doubt). But if we look how much dialogue Anthem has...meh, not bringing my hopes up yet. And there are like 2 cutscenes in the game worth mentioning, so no hopes up for the mocap as well. I don't know the context of the dev comment on voice over expenses, but it could be more relevant for past BW titles where they probably spent much. I am not sure if Anthem has more voice over dialogue than even Baldur's gate 2 😀 I thought the general view on EA was that they where all into cutting costs and now you're suggesting they'd ok hiring a recording studio for ten lines of dialogue? I doubt it. but if that's what you want to run with knock yourself out. And there were way more than two cut-scenes. You misunderstand. Two cutscenes worth mentioning = two good cutscenes. There are more in the game, but I am not impressed by them. And Battlefront 2 hired voice actors to do far less than 10 lines for some of it's updates, so hiring a voice actor doesn't mean it's mandatory to record a whole book.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 7, 2019 13:33:35 GMT
I thought the general view on EA was that they where all into cutting costs and now you're suggesting they'd ok hiring a recording studio for ten lines of dialogue? I doubt it. but if that's what you want to run with knock yourself out. And there were way more than two cut-scenes. You misunderstand. Two cutscenes worth mentioning = two good cutscenes. There are more in the game, but I am not impressed by them. And Battlefront 2 hired voice actors to do far less than 10 lines for some of it's updates, so hiring a voice actor doesn't mean it's mandatory to record a whole book. Looks like we are having another "MEA will get SP DLC" situation on our hands. Lets look at the FACT: 1) Anthem has a poor critical reception 2) Anthem has poor review scores 3) Anthem was not in ideal shape at launch 4) Divison 2 is considered a huge improvement over Divison 1 5) Divison 2 just had a successful open beta and avoided what Anthem had in beta...I mean demo form Now opinions/speculation based on the above facts: 1) Anthem didnt meet the sales projections that EA initially had 2) EA will allow Anthem to slowly die off because it was a financial failure and they have Apex to supplement the lose. 3) Anthem will be severely hurt by the release of Divison 2 next week as it will be an uphill battle with D2 and Apex which will again trigger the scenario in opinion #2. Either way, like MEA fate and SP DLC, only time will tell....
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 13:35:01 GMT
How long will you keep the launch as a stick to swing around? 1 month? 2 months? Until the game is what YOU want it to be? Until the game is what Bioware was promising it to be 😀 They don't get a pass for lying, so I still will expect from them to make good on the promise. And they don't have the talent or time to make the game I want, so I never expected them to. Their Road map is a joke if you look at it. And compared to what I have seen from other companies, Bioware did only the bare minimum (if that even) in fixes since the 15th. If that is a lot to them, then lol (it may be the norm today, but the thought scares me). But I may be harsh and expect too much from a studio that delivered great games in the past (that were fun even before fixes).
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 7, 2019 13:39:48 GMT
How long will you keep the launch as a stick to swing around? 1 month? 2 months? Until the game is what YOU want it to be? Until the game is what Bioware was promising it to be 😀 They don't get a pass for lying, so I still will expect from them to make good on the promise. And they don't have the talent or time to make the game I want, so I never expected them to. Their Road map is a joke if you look at it. And compared to what I have seen from other companies, Bioware did only the bare minimum (if that even) in fixes since the 15th. If that is a lot to them, then lol (it may be the norm today, but the thought scares me). But I may be harsh and expect too much from a studio that delivered great games in the past (that were fun even before fixes). Now compare Anthem road map to what Ubisoft has shown with Divison 2 road map:
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 14:03:18 GMT
Now compare Anthem road map to what Ubisoft has shown with Divison 2 road map Unfair to compare, Ubisoft are really good at Road maps, kings even, while Bioware still just dabble. Even the skeleton crew of SWTOR did better Road maps. But then they didn't deliver on some of them and maybe Bioware learned lessons. The implications of this however are also not good, so let's not dwell.
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 7, 2019 14:27:04 GMT
How long will you keep the launch as a stick to swing around? 1 month? 2 months? Until the game is what YOU want it to be? Until the game is what Bioware was promising it to be 😀 They don't get a pass for lying, so I still will expect from them to make good on the promise. And they don't have the talent or time to make the game I want, so I never expected them to. Their Road map is a joke if you look at it. And compared to what I have seen from other companies, Bioware did only the bare minimum (if that even) in fixes since the 15th. If that is a lot to them, then lol (it may be the norm today, but the thought scares me). But I may be harsh and expect too much from a studio that delivered great games in the past (that were fun even before fixes). You treat the E3 trailer as if it was a promise, which it was not. It was a promo, and should be thought of as such.
about the road map. Please state evidence of other companies' 90 days in advance promises which are much more than bioware's, and please explain why those companies' roadmaps are hard evidence while bioware's is not.
"bare minimum" are you kidding me? Have you any idea (no, probably not, because then you wouldn't be as disrespectful) how much work is what they did already? Jezus wept, I'm done.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 7, 2019 15:05:44 GMT
Until the game is what Bioware was promising it to be 😀 They don't get a pass for lying, so I still will expect from them to make good on the promise. And they don't have the talent or time to make the game I want, so I never expected them to. Their Road map is a joke if you look at it. And compared to what I have seen from other companies, Bioware did only the bare minimum (if that even) in fixes since the 15th. If that is a lot to them, then lol (it may be the norm today, but the thought scares me). But I may be harsh and expect too much from a studio that delivered great games in the past (that were fun even before fixes). You treat the E3 trailer as if it was a promise, which it was not. It was a promo, and should be thought of as such.
about the road map. Please state evidence of other companies' 90 days in advance promises which are much more than bioware's, and please explain why those companies' roadmaps are hard evidence while bioware's is not.
"bare minimum" are you kidding me? Have you any idea (no, probably not, because then you wouldn't be as disrespectful) how much work is what they did already? Jezus wept, I'm done.
Forget the E3 trailer. Look at the gameplay stream 7-8 months ago. Here in the previous posts you have TD2 ONE YEAR Road map with actual extra content. Content that is on top of the launch content (that so far seems to be several times bigger than Anthem's. I am waiting for the desperate "go play TD2" retort). Yeah, unfair to compare with Ubisoft, but you asked. And why trust them to deliver? Same answer as why I am sceptical about Bioware - recent track record. And what is Anthem's new content in the next 90 days? Lot's of [REDACTED], event repeats (more spawns in Freeplay, wow, such novelty...but we saw that already, hmm), social improvements that many will say were mandatory to be there at launch and a Stronghold... Yeah, "show me a similar game that had less" is a tougher question. More Freeplay events... let's wait and see how awesome and different they will be. The Road map really doesn't want to reveal much. But even if lacking, let's hope BW delivers in that time frame.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 7, 2019 15:58:47 GMT
You treat the E3 trailer as if it was a promise, which it was not. It was a promo, and should be thought of as such.
about the road map. Please state evidence of other companies' 90 days in advance promises which are much more than bioware's, and please explain why those companies' roadmaps are hard evidence while bioware's is not.
"bare minimum" are you kidding me? Have you any idea (no, probably not, because then you wouldn't be as disrespectful) how much work is what they did already? Jezus wept, I'm done.
Forget the E3 trailer. Look at the gameplay stream 7-8 months ago. Here in the previous posts you have TD2 ONE YEAR Road map with actual extra content. Content that is on top of the launch content (that so far seems to be several times bigger than Anthem's. I am waiting for the desperate "go play TD2" retort). Yeah, unfair to compare with Ubisoft, but you asked. And why trust them to deliver? Same answer as why I am sceptical about Bioware - recent track record. And what is Anthem's new content in the next 90 days? Lot's of [REDACTED], event repeats (more spawns in Freeplay, wow, such novelty...but we saw that already, hmm), social improvements that many will say were mandatory to be there at launch and a Stronghold... Yeah, "show me a similar game that had less" is a tougher question. More Freeplay events... let's wait and see how awesome and different they will be. The Road map really doesn't want to reveal much. But even if lacking, let's hope BW delivers in that time frame. TCTD2 year one roadmap features three episodes, Anthem has four. *shrug* Both have actual content.
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