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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 14, 2019 15:55:38 GMT
I do not enjoy arguing with them I think arguing can be great. I believe through arguing, the layers of truth can be uncovered, to reach the one true conclusion. Some arguments are inherently stronger and more prevalent than others. But arguing, though it can draw some extreme reactions from their speakers, are not done so malevolently. We are each arguing our case. Is that wrong? As to your recap: 1) I don't think that what you describe helps Bioware's case in any form. Staying the course on a ship that has been steadily sinking for various, internal and external reasons, is just waiting for it to sink. 2) Bioware did make publicly known in a ... something-something, I forget what it was, as it happened a long time ago, that the overwhelming majority chose Destroy and MaleShep was the most played, Liara the most romanced etc. At least, I seem to remember so and that doesn't mean that I couldn't be wrong. I think the people in this board tend to get attached a lot more to everything new Bioware puts out, readily to get invested in it or sometimes even pre-hyped about something, which is why we get to see such extremes in either direction. But as you said, we are not indicative of the greater gaming community. If we have to make a decision, about where to go from here, it has to be a business decision, one that ultimately won't correspond well with everyone, but will satisfy people's expectations on a consumer degree. 3) You'll have to define the "silent majority", then. As i see it, the "silent majority" did not like Andromeda and has lost its faith in Bioware.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 14, 2019 16:18:29 GMT
I really don't care that you like doing it. Just stating my personal opinion on the practice. That works both ways, right? So why did you post your comment? Was it to whine/moan and groan? I have never, note the word NEVER, asked you or said for you to say you don't like MEA. I know you like MEA. You might want to look at the guy in the mirror and ask why you're assuming, wrongly, why I would want you to say you don't like MEA. Censor you? hahaha. If you don't post your opinions, that's on you. Not because I made a suggestion. And I will be of the opinion that some of those are still fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 16:43:48 GMT
I really don't care that you like doing it. Just stating my personal opinion on the practice. That works both ways, right? So why did you post your comment? Was it to whine/moan and groan? I have never, note the word NEVER, asked you or said for you to say you don't like MEA. I know you like MEA. You might want to look at the guy in the mirror and ask why you're assuming, wrongly, why I would want you to say you don't like MEA. Censor you? hahaha. If you don't post your opinions, that's on you. Not because I made a suggestion. And I will be of the opinion that some of those are still fans. Shrug. We clearly have nothing left to discuss on this topic either. End discussion.
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Post by burningcherry on Jul 14, 2019 20:33:21 GMT
They should not have been sexual romances What's so problematic about a romance being sexual? Or are you referring in particular to the dextro LIs? Would be nice to have at least one "full" non-sexual romance for people who are asexual or uninterested in extramarital sex on religious grounds.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 14, 2019 22:08:40 GMT
What's so problematic about a romance being sexual? Or are you referring in particular to the dextro LIs? Would be nice to have at least one "full" non-sexual romance for people who are asexual or uninterested in extramarital sex on religious grounds. Isn't Jack's romance in the ME2, ME3 and Citadel entirely non-sexual? You're never seen having implied sex.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 14, 2019 22:32:13 GMT
Would be nice to have at least one "full" non-sexual romance for people who are asexual or uninterested in extramarital sex on religious grounds. Isn't Jack's romance in the ME2, ME3 and Citadel entirely non-sexual? You're never seen having implied sex. No, it is made very clear that you and Jack have arc in her romance. The only character in the Shepard Trilogy that can be interpreted as having a nonsexual romance is Kelly Chambers. As for your question, the answer is both. In general because due to what I am I would like to have romances that don’t involve sex in them, likewise for some others I know and people like me or them, plus I think it would be better for the romances themselves since there could be more variety in them. Thankfully BioWare is at least having some romances now that can at least be interpreted that way. As for the dextros in particular because as I said before with Quarians it completely ruins the tragedy of their species since apparently taking some medicine and having sex a few times made Tali completely adapted so they wouldn’t have the situation they’re in where they can’t settle anywhere. As for the Turians, even if they don’t have the situation the Quarians do they still have other lite-based issues with the different DNA that could kill either person involved.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 14, 2019 22:57:07 GMT
No, it is made very clear that you and Jack have arc in her romance I may be a little behind and also a little afraid to ask, but what is arc? Also, how would you go about regulating asexual romances? Furthermore, the dextro/levo incompatibility, as I've come to understand, is overplayed in the ME games. At least, humans wouldn't have that much of an issue. Could be very different for imaginary aliens who may have specific weaknesses because of their alien physiology. However, when specifically stated in ME1 that Tali could die from a rupture in her suit, being downplayed to "dodally wortd id" in ME2, is entirely stupid. Quarians were a mistake.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 14, 2019 23:52:07 GMT
No, it is made very clear that you and Jack have arc in her romance I may be a little behind and also a little afraid to ask, but what is arc? Also, how would you go about regulating asexual romances? Furthermore, the dextro/levo incompatibility, as I've come to understand, is overplayed in the ME games. At least, humans wouldn't have that much of an issue. Could be very different for imaginary aliens who may have specific weaknesses because of their alien physiology. However, when specifically stated in ME1 that Tali could die from a rupture in her suit, being downplayed to "dodally wortd id" in ME2, is entirely stupid. Quarians were a mistake. Stupid autocorrect. I typed ‘sex in her romance arc’ but it jumbled my words up. What do you mean by regulating it? I disagree it is downplayed. Every game has at least a few references to it, like one not being able to eat the others food for example.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 15, 2019 7:48:01 GMT
Ah! What do you mean by regulating it? How do you make the choice who is asexual? What if the asexual LI isn't even a person you remotely like? How would you go about it, to get the best result, for you? I disagree it is downplayed You think Tali getting off with just an infection, doing something that was clearly implied, if not outright stated would kill her, isn't downplaying it?
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Post by helios969 on Jul 15, 2019 8:35:09 GMT
No, it is made very clear that you and Jack have arc in her romance I may be a little behind and also a little afraid to ask, but what is arc? Also, how would you go about regulating asexual romances? Furthermore, the dextro/levo incompatibility, as I've come to understand, is overplayed in the ME games. At least, humans wouldn't have that much of an issue. Could be very different for imaginary aliens who may have specific weaknesses because of their alien physiology. However, when specifically stated in ME1 that Tali could die from a rupture in her suit, being downplayed to "dodally wortd id" in ME2, is entirely stupid. Quarians were a mistake. Yeah, I think so as well. What I thought more dumb was that the Quarians would completely lose their immune system in 8 or 9 generations. Weakened, okay maybe, but the extent it is portrayed is ridiculous. Also, apparently the Quarians don't have physicians or biologists who surely would have devised ways to combat such when they initially became aware. But like most forms of entertainment that claim the sci-fy label I have to turn my brain off to enjoy the experience.
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Post by burningcherry on Jul 15, 2019 8:38:18 GMT
I disagree it is downplayed You think Tali getting off with just an infection, doing something that was clearly implied, if not outright stated would kill her, isn't downplaying it? AFAIK it was never stated how much time it would take for a rupture to kill a quarian and an approximate is set as a couple of days (Hilo'Jaa vas Idenna's case). ME2 did not downplay it, Citadel DLC did if so.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 15, 2019 10:10:12 GMT
AFAIK it was never stated how much time it would take for a rupture to kill a quarian Well, that is silly. That undermines the severity of it. " Oh, we can die. If we leave an infection to remain untreated, for an extended period of time". Whoop dee fucking doo, Einstein. That's true for everyone. You've got days ahead of you to find some antibiotics. So infection is barely an issue. Not to mention, like Kal'Reegar notes, that his suit can not only seal its rupture, but also have him swimming in antibiotics. Also, apparently the Quarians don't have physicians or biologists who surely would have devised ways to combat such when they initially became aware There is a saying, where I am from, I don't know if its common abroad or if you have something similar, but it goes something like this; there is nothing more permanent, than the temporary. The suits were probably a temporary solution to a permanent problem and since the Quarians always looked to reclaim their homeworld, they believed they would reclaim it, before their compromised immune system became a bigger problem. So, if anything, the Quarian predicament strikes way too close to home.
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Post by Tonymac on Jul 15, 2019 13:38:37 GMT
I may be a little behind and also a little afraid to ask, but what is arc? Also, how would you go about regulating asexual romances? Furthermore, the dextro/levo incompatibility, as I've come to understand, is overplayed in the ME games. At least, humans wouldn't have that much of an issue. Could be very different for imaginary aliens who may have specific weaknesses because of their alien physiology. However, when specifically stated in ME1 that Tali could die from a rupture in her suit, being downplayed to "dodally wortd id" in ME2, is entirely stupid. Quarians were a mistake. Yeah, I think so as well. What I thought more dumb was that the Quarians would completely lose their immune system in 8 or 9 generations. Weakened, okay maybe, but the extent it is portrayed is ridiculous. Also, apparently the Quarians don't have physicians or biologists who surely would have devised ways to combat such when they initially became aware. But like most forms of entertainment that claim the sci-fy label I have to turn my brain off to enjoy the experience. Good thought - All the Quarians would have needed to fix their immune systems were 'flu shots'/ vaccinations. Come to think if it, this is exactly what the writers did in ME3. They had the Geth (depending on playthrough choices) help the Quarians by simulating infections. I wish to make it of note though, that I did enjoy the Quarians and their arc. In ME1 Tali had what looked like a Saren arm to me. In ME2 she became a lot more organic. Sadly, all of her normal ME2 conversations were already covered in ME1 with the Conclave, Ship Captains and Admiralty board, etc. There could have been a lot more development done with the Quarians - I say this not to be meant in a critical way, but more of an "I want more" way. To keep in line with the overall topic/ discussion, I greatly enjoyed Mass Effect one and two. I would endorse going back to the Milky Way if I could continue my Career as Commander Shepard. I think that the likelihood of this happenning is rather low, but I want my old crew back. I fell in love with the Citadel, and all of these places we went to. I miss the Milky Way which we barely discovered. There was a feel to the original game - a real magic and wonderment about what exists out there. I felt small and human walking on alien worlds, taking in expansive views and talking to my squad mates. Things like Thresher Maws, surprise Geth attacks, and even human pirates would snap you back into the reality that the Milky Way is in fact QUITE dangerous - just as Nihlus suggested. The galaxy was also packed full of alien races - all of which I enjoyed. Sure, there was conflict, but there was also the Council - and we humans were not on top. To me, that just added to the feel of the MEU. I have serious doubts about BioWare being able to pull off a new Mass Effect game, given their track record and human losses. Sure, they can make a new "Mass Effect" game - but will they knock it out of the park like ME1 and 2?
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Post by burningcherry on Jul 15, 2019 14:42:42 GMT
AFAIK it was never stated how much time it would take for a rupture to kill a quarian Well, that is silly. That undermines the severity of it. " Oh, we can die. If we leave an infection to remain untreated, for an extended period of time". Whoop dee fucking doo, Einstein. That's true for everyone. You've got days ahead of you to find some antibiotics. So infection is barely an issue. Not to mention, like Kal'Reegar notes, that his suit can not only seal its rupture, but also have him swimming in antibiotics. One needs to distinguish between short-term and long-term consequences. Being able to survive small obstacles doesn't yet guarantee survival. There's some implausible need for living on a suitable land in this universe, and the window of suitability is small – much of Andromeda's premise lies on it. I wish to make it of note though, that I did enjoy the Quarians and their arc. In ME1 Tali had what looked like a Saren arm to me. In ME2 she became a lot more organic. Sadly, all of her normal ME2 conversations were already covered in ME1 with the Conclave, Ship Captains and Admiralty board, etc. There could have been a lot more development done with the Quarians - I say this not to be meant in a critical way, but more of an "I want more" way. I'm disgruntled that so much of this isn't made clear in the games while your typical fan doesn't even know the titles of Karpyshyn's novels. I believe that for this reason, they're the wrongest understood species in the universe.
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Post by Ascend on Jul 15, 2019 14:47:42 GMT
Sure, they can make a new "Mass Effect" game - but will they knock it out of the park like ME1 and 2 No one believes they can anymore. Everyone will be skeptical. They have put themselves in a very tough position. Maybe the easiest way for a comeback would be to remake/remaster the whole trilogy, but, that will inevitably piss people off, simply because some drastic changes are needed, and I bet no one will like all the changes. Andromeda was a good idea but poor in execution. Continuing with that will also be met with a lot of skepticism. Maybe the best thing is to do a reboot of the series. Either through some time shift where time is reverted and the same story can work out differently, or, an alternate universe, where it allows for a diverging timeline of the same story, but a completely different world.
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Post by Tonymac on Jul 15, 2019 17:27:13 GMT
Sure, they can make a new "Mass Effect" game - but will they knock it out of the park like ME1 and 2 No one believes they can anymore. Everyone will be skeptical. They have put themselves in a very tough position. Maybe the easiest way for a comeback would be to remake/remaster the whole trilogy, but, that will inevitably piss people off, simply because some drastic changes are needed, and I bet no one will like all the changes. Andromeda was a good idea but poor in execution. Continuing with that will also be met with a lot of skepticism. Maybe the best thing is to do a reboot of the series. Either through some time shift where time is reverted and the same story can work out differently, or, an alternate universe, where it allows for a diverging timeline of the same story, but a completely different world. A remaster would be a good start. As it is, I spend a lot of time on the Citadel in ME1, just enjoying the music and the views. I have even taken to photo-bombing other couples looking out over the ward arms in the upper markets, or on the Presidium around the fountains, etc. Sometmes at work I will look up Gaming Ambience on You-Tube and just play the music from certain areas, like the C-Sec Atrium or the Upper Markets. I find it relaxing, but it makes me want ot rush home and fire up another playthrough. Andromeda held no interest for me. There was no "hook" in the story that made me interested. The more I looked at Andromeduh the more I was glad I did not purchase it. There is enough laughable stupidity in the game, along with terrible animations, utter lack of story, chewed bubble gum lookng characters (Angorans?) and surprisingly similar looking to the Collectors "bad guys" that I laughed the whole thing off. How dare you even call that silly car with no gun a Mako? How far the mighty have fallen. BioWare certainly painted themselves into a corner, all for the sake of 'Artistic Integrity'. I have no idea how they can get the ball moving forward, much less IF they even have the talent.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 15, 2019 18:48:56 GMT
Nobody called it a Mako. As for not having a gun, vehicle combat was a failure.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 15, 2019 18:50:47 GMT
I would endorse going back to the Milky Way if I could continue my Career as Commander Shepard. I would be ok with having Shepard return. Have a like. I believe they can. A remaster would be a good start. I believe having a remaster done would help. I also believe if a remaster were to be done it would sell better than MEA. Ha. They look like cat people. Too bad Ryder couldn't offer them a bowl of milk and a box of kitty litter. The guy did say the details have changed over time and one more story. Bioware put those lines in for a reason. Maybe they might bring Shepard back. Don't know. They're also the ones that can change those details to whatever works for them. Anyways. Here's an idea with Shepard returning
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 15, 2019 19:08:21 GMT
There was no "hook" in the story that made me interested The hook of Andromeda was new beginnings, unexplored territories and unfamiliar faces. But all of those received criticism, to an extent and most people asked the question of why did we have to leave the Milky Way... for this? Maybe it could have stood on its own merit, but it paled in comparison to what we had. And it makes little sense, when you have a good thing, to move on to something that isn't as good. More like Andromedumb, am I right fellas? I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself. A remaster would be a good start. A remaster would be a good start, indeed. But they can't exactly leave it at that. There needs to be something more. BioWare certainly painted themselves into a corner, all for the sake of 'Artistic Integrity'. I have no idea how they can get the ball moving forward, much less IF they even have the talent. That would mean there is no one left in the company with any sort of sense of what to do. At which point Android, sorry, Andrew Wilson will be doing us all a favour shutting the studio down. But I don't believe that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 15, 2019 19:09:20 GMT
Nobody called it a Mako. As for not having a gun, vehicle combat was a failure. I think Ghost Games did a great job with the Nomad. But I would still like a big fucking gun on top of it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 15, 2019 19:20:08 GMT
Here's an idea with Shepard returning I like the idea, especially because Miranda is involved, who I believe is the best female character since Evelyn Mulwray. However, two things that I would like to point out:
- Miranda works best when paired with/against Jack. She is the yin to her yang and out of their dynamic, they both come out stronger for it.
- What hub worlds can we expect to find in Dark Space?
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 15, 2019 20:24:20 GMT
Nobody called it a Mako. As for not having a gun, vehicle combat was a failure. I think Ghost Games did a great job with the Nomad. But I would still like a big fucking gun on top of it. Without some sort of real opposition for that gun -- something ME1 and 2 both failed at -- would that actually have been entertaining? I mean, blowing up a kett camp from miles away would be fun. Once.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 15, 2019 20:27:03 GMT
I think Ghost Games did a great job with the Nomad. But I would still like a big fucking gun on top of it. Without some sort of real opposition for that gun -- something ME1 and 2 both failed at -- would that actually have been entertaining? I mean, blowing up a kett camp from miles away would be fun. Once. Kett on dune buggies. With mounted guns.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 15, 2019 22:31:26 GMT
I'm glad they didn't sink dev time into making that. Where would you have taken it from?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 15, 2019 22:52:29 GMT
Where would you have taken it from? Taken what?
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