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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 13, 2019 3:35:44 GMT
I'm willing to overlook it if it takes us away from Andromeda.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 13, 2019 12:05:52 GMT
If they are going to make a default canon i don't think they should do it via stats. They should simply choose whatever gives them a setting they find interesting regardless of proportion of people who picked it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 13, 2019 16:20:36 GMT
Besides, the ME Tapestry is shit. It doesn't work like the the one for DA. As you say, stats should be irrelevant. Any choice is pissing someone off. I admit I'd be disappointed if it were Synthesis but maybe they could make a good story out of it.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Mar 15, 2019 14:17:38 GMT
I think ME's most promising route, if more Andromeda stories are off the table, is to focus on the period between the First Contact War and the Shepard trilogy. Just because there weren't billion-year-old AIs trying to kill everybody during that time period doesn't mean there can't be interesting stories. If we go back to the Milky Way after the events of the Shepard trilogy, then my preference would be to have it take place at least 20-30 years later, with few if any appearances by Shepard's crew and Shepard him/herself remaining off-screen. That might alleviate the feeling that our own personal canons are being stepped on by whatever variables Bioware chooses to factor into the setting. I dont see how Andromeda is off the table? Maybe it isn't, I don't know. I'm just assuming BW doesn't want to do another Andromeda game given the low sales and the fact that they never created any DLC for it.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 15, 2019 17:50:58 GMT
I dont see how Andromeda is off the table? Maybe it isn't, I don't know. I'm just assuming BW doesn't want to do another Andromeda game given the low sales and the fact that they never created any DLC for it. We truthfully dont know the sales. We only know what the investor call said and that was that it did good sales wise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2019 18:03:04 GMT
Maybe it isn't, I don't know. I'm just assuming BW doesn't want to do another Andromeda game given the low sales and the fact that they never created any DLC for it. We truthfully dont know the sales. We only know what the investor call said and that was that it did good sales wise. Well we know how many physical copies it sold, which was at least 2.5 million for $110 million in revenue in its first quarter. So even with that it made a profit, and that’s not counting the later physical sales or more notably the digital sales which we don’t know other than more and more people buy them that way.
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Post by tatarforas on Mar 15, 2019 19:01:08 GMT
I'd rather they just finish up with the Andromeda setting before moving back to the milky way, besides I don't see why they can't just do a ME Keep situation, a default ending would be chosen for people who are unfamiliar with the setting and the rest of us could just import our choices.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:24:53 GMT
Besides, the ME Tapestry is shit. It doesn't work like the the one for DA. As you say, stats should be irrelevant. Any choice is pissing someone off. I admit I'd be disappointed if it were Synthesis but maybe they could make a good story out of it. I still say if they choose a canon it will be high ems destroy because it gives them the most options.
Control essentially creates a force that can't be destroyed that fights off threats. The only possible threat would be the reapers which the galaxy would never be able to beat. Any other threat could be destroyed by the reapers.
Synthesis is possible to do so it could be possible. I don't like the idea because it just seems so out there that it made no sense.
Refuse-It would be the ultimate fuc* you to the fans and probably the only way I would not buy a mass effect game even if it is used and on sale.
Considering the only ending I choose at all is high ems destroy and that would be the most likely cannon I am a bit biased in wanting them to choose a cannon and give us shepard
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2019 21:27:19 GMT
Besides, the ME Tapestry is shit. It doesn't work like the the one for DA. As you say, stats should be irrelevant. Any choice is pissing someone off. I admit I'd be disappointed if it were Synthesis but maybe they could make a good story out of it. I still say if they choose a canon it will be high ems destroy because it gives them the most options. If they do they lose me as a customer, as well as many others I'm certain.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:28:53 GMT
I still say if they choose a canon it will be high ems destroy because it gives them the most options. If they do they lose me as a customer, as well as many others I'm certain. You mean because they chose high ems destroy or because they chose a cannon.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2019 21:31:17 GMT
If they do they lose me as a customer, as well as many others I'm certain. You mean because they chose high ems destroy or because they chose a cannon. Both.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 15, 2019 21:32:02 GMT
I still say if they choose a canon it will be high ems destroy because it gives them the most options. If they do they lose me as a customer, as well as many others I'm certain. I want Bioware to go ahead and call your bluff by having a sequel to ME3 using destroy for the ending. I wouldn't be surprised if you end up getting the game, at a lower price, especially if it turns out to be good.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:40:46 GMT
If they do they lose me as a customer, as well as many others I'm certain. I want Bioware to go ahead and call your bluff by having a sequel to ME3 using destroy for the ending. I wouldn't be surprised if you end up getting the game, at a lower price, especially if it turns out to be good. Not to be that guy but alot of people said they wouldn't buy any bioware game after DA2...those people bought ME3. Then they said they would never buy another bioware game because of ME3 ending...look how DAI sold. Then some people said they hated DAI and wouldn't buy another bioware game and those people bought andromeda to the degree that andromeda made a profit on it's physical copies alone. I don't believe people anymore when they say these things. I admit I didn't buy anthem and probably won't until it goes to the discount bin however that's because I just didn't like the way it looked and had no desire to play it rather then because of a previous bioware game. The thing about games now is that because more and more people buy games digitally it means they still get paid even if you buy it on sale rather then people going to gamestop and buying a used copy that the game studio makes no money off of. So even if you wait for it to be on sale you still end up paying bioware
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 25, 2019 10:07:11 GMT
I think that they should choose based on which ending they think has the most interesting setting/potential story, not based on stats. eg. if the best story/the story they want to tell works best or requires the synthesis ending, then make it the synthesis ending, if control then make it control, if destroy then make it destroy.
And if they return to the milky way post me3 I do think that they should choose. Siphoning down the variation from the endings would be unsatifying and elimnate so many interesting story avenues. I'd rather they go whole hog on one ending, really show the changes to the galaxy as a result. And I don't think doing this makes that choice canon, you just happen to be playing in the reality where it happened, doesn't mean the other endings didn't happen in other realities. I don't have trouble having different realities with different shepards so I don't have trouble with the idea of the next milky way game occuring in a different one to my preferred canon.
Regardless of what they do or do not do with the milky way I'd like them to resolve things in Andromeda first.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Mar 25, 2019 11:52:20 GMT
I still say if they choose a canon it will be high ems destroy because it gives them the most options. If they do they lose me as a customer, as well as many others I'm certain. I believe you're over-estimating how many people care THAT much about it. Besides, they don't care about their old RPG fanbase anymore. I bet they lost a lot more sales with their old fanbase with Anthem than they ever would making another Mass Effect game with a vague canon ending. That said, the number of sales lost due to alienated fans is probably completely irrelevant. I would say maybe 1-3%.
My personal preference remains Indoctrination Theory where Shepard is recovered from the rubble, dead or alive. The war was won somehow and now we get to play the aftermath of rebuilding. OR sometime before the reaper invasion. Series of standalone small scale stories where we get race creation. Lots of consequences since they don't have to carry over.
If we have to pick an ending, I have no issues with Destroy. I have no interest in returning to Andromeda. Nor do I have any interest right now in another open world game by Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:20:38 GMT
I think that they should choose based on which ending they think has the most interesting setting/potential story, not based on stats. eg. if the best story/the story they want to tell works best or requires the synthesis ending, then make it the synthesis ending, if control then make it control, if destroy then make it destroy. And if they return to the milky way post me3 I do think that they should choose. Siphoning down the variation from the endings would be unsatifying and elimnate so many interesting story avenues. I'd rather they go whole hog on one ending, really show the changes to the galaxy as a result. And I don't think doing this makes that choice canon, you just happen to be playing in the reality where it happened, doesn't mean the other endings didn't happen in other realities. I don't have trouble having different realities with different shepards so I don't have trouble with the idea of the next milky way game occuring in a different one to my preferred canon. Regardless of what they do or do not do with the milky way I'd like them to resolve things in Andromeda first. Saying the other endings happen in "other realities" is the same as saying they didn't happen. It's the same as saying that IT only happened in the players delusional imagination (which has been going on here for years). If that's the case, I'm going to say that Andromeda's Odyssey Drive doesn't break lore because it's now canon and anything else (Shepard, etc.) only happened in "other realities." I don't think people here would buy that, so I don't think people should have to buy the "other realities" for an ME3 ending bit just because some people really want to force Bioware into choosing destroy as a canon ending to ME3. People also go on here about "details changing over time" - Well, lets just say the details that changed is that Shepard died in an explosion on the Citadel of unknown origins... and the rest is all myth or that it all occurred in an "other reality."
There are ways to write the franchise forward keeping all the endings in play AND keeping Andromeda in play. There is no reason to wipe any of the out or reduce them to the "other realities" line (which basically tells people to be delusional in order to exercise a choice to role play ME3 in different ways... a choice they were once legitimately given by Bioware. They only have to advance the time line sufficiently and describe some events as back stories to the galaxy (similar with how they let us choose Shepard's background in ME1). The result of any of the galactic backgrounds would bring the galaxy to a single ending state... which would allow them to start the next game. Other than that, the Andromeda story can more easily be written forward in any conceivable direction. Any story that can be told in the Milky Way can be told in Andromeda. Any game that can be written for the Milky Way can be written to be set in Andromeda. The only thing people have to let go of to accomplish that in Andromeda is Shepard and his/her specific crew... but new characters can be written to be great. Some people feel that didn't happen with Andromeda... but even those characters can undergo personality changes and written to be great characters. A great game will wipe away any supposed "taint" left by ME:A1 much more easily than anything will wipe away the 6-year taint of ME3's ending fiasco... which would only be exacerbated by Bioware declaring a canon.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 25, 2019 16:15:34 GMT
Saying the other endings happen in "other realities" is the same as saying they didn't happen. Wait a second. What happens when I play more than one Shepard? Which one "happened"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 18:38:09 GMT
Saying the other endings happen in "other realities" is the same as saying they didn't happen. Wait a second. What happens when I play more than one Shepard? Which one "happened"? You're role playing the single game reality a different way and you're the one choosing to do so. Bioware gave us role playing choice. This "other reality" schtick is a totally different beast.
As I've said... it is totally possible to write interim/bridging comics forward from each ending that relate series of events that would ultimately all lead to the galaxy at the end of the comic being in the same state every time (and that's where the sequel game would begin). It's the same as making 3 separate games from each ending that all would end the same way... only less expensive. If it's possible to pick a canon and write one game forward from that... it's possible to write that game as comic and do the other two or three to fill in the same purpose. At the start of a sequel game, you'd just pick the "galactic backstory" you want much the same way you picked Shepard's backstory in ME1. The game isn't telling me that Earthborn Sole Survivor is the "real" Shepard (even though that Shepard was the default) and the others only exist in some "alternate reality" in my own mind... the game is offering a choice about how I want to start ME1. The next ME game can easily offer the same sort of choice about the galactic backstory. Ultimately, I could then choose every one of them on different playtrhoughs and see what little dialogue changes might be sensitive to my choice of backstory (similar to ME1). If they declare a single canon... I couldn't do that.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 25, 2019 22:05:57 GMT
I think that they should choose based on which ending they think has the most interesting setting/potential story, not based on stats. eg. if the best story/the story they want to tell works best or requires the synthesis ending, then make it the synthesis ending, if control then make it control, if destroy then make it destroy. And if they return to the milky way post me3 I do think that they should choose. Siphoning down the variation from the endings would be unsatifying and elimnate so many interesting story avenues. I'd rather they go whole hog on one ending, really show the changes to the galaxy as a result. And I don't think doing this makes that choice canon, you just happen to be playing in the reality where it happened, doesn't mean the other endings didn't happen in other realities. I don't have trouble having different realities with different shepards so I don't have trouble with the idea of the next milky way game occuring in a different one to my preferred canon. Regardless of what they do or do not do with the milky way I'd like them to resolve things in Andromeda first. Saying the other endings happen in "other realities" is the same as saying they didn't happen. It's the same as saying that IT only happened in the players delusional imagination *Snip* There is no reason to wipe any of the out or reduce them to the "other realities" line (which basically tells people to be delusional in order to exercise a choice to role play ME3 in different ways... a choice they were once legitimately given by Bioware.
If thats the way you feel and how you'd take such a decision, fair enough. But thats not how i feel and i disagree. Since i've at no point expressed a preference for destroy or any other ending, I'm guessing that comment was aimed at other people you've been discussing this with. I do agree that they can tell most any interesting story in Andromeda. And i think that they shouldn't abandon that galaxy regardless or whether they do anything else Milky way related.
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Mar 25, 2019 23:25:22 GMT
i think the easiest way to go is make MEA2 story writing wise. but at least they would be sticking to their guns, but if they are to pick one i would say find the ending that can produce the best story. but thats a very boring or generic anwser
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 26, 2019 1:44:09 GMT
If they do they lose me as a customer, as well as many others I'm certain. I believe you're over-estimating how many people care THAT much about it. Besides, they don't care about their old RPG fanbase anymore. I bet they lost a lot more sales with their old fanbase with Anthem than they ever would making another Mass Effect game with a vague canon ending. That said, the number of sales lost due to alienated fans is probably completely irrelevant. I would say maybe 1-3%.
My personal preference remains Indoctrination Theory where Shepard is recovered from the rubble, dead or alive. The war was won somehow and now we get to play the aftermath of rebuilding. OR sometime before the reaper invasion. Series of standalone small scale stories where we get race creation. Lots of consequences since they don't have to carry over.
If we have to pick an ending, I have no issues with Destroy. I have no interest in returning to Andromeda. Nor do I have any interest right now in another open world game by Bioware.
Yeah I haven't heard how anthem sold but I am betting alot of RPG fans didn't buy it. That said Mass effect has a solid fan base that depends on the name and I think they would do ALOT better with a cannon ending then andromeda. Admittedly I would buy both however I would buy andromeda after it comes down in price a little where as I would buy the extreme collectors edition of a game with shepard in it or a sequel in the milky way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 26, 2019 4:35:24 GMT
I believe you're over-estimating how many people care THAT much about it. Besides, they don't care about their old RPG fanbase anymore. I bet they lost a lot more sales with their old fanbase with Anthem than they ever would making another Mass Effect game with a vague canon ending. That said, the number of sales lost due to alienated fans is probably completely irrelevant. I would say maybe 1-3%.
My personal preference remains Indoctrination Theory where Shepard is recovered from the rubble, dead or alive. The war was won somehow and now we get to play the aftermath of rebuilding. OR sometime before the reaper invasion. Series of standalone small scale stories where we get race creation. Lots of consequences since they don't have to carry over.
If we have to pick an ending, I have no issues with Destroy. I have no interest in returning to Andromeda. Nor do I have any interest right now in another open world game by Bioware.
Yeah I haven't heard how anthem sold but I am betting alot of RPG fans didn't buy it. That said Mass effect has a solid fan base that depends on the name and I think they would do ALOT better with a cannon ending then andromeda. Admittedly I would buy both however I would buy andromeda after it comes down in price a little where as I would buy the extreme collectors edition of a game with shepard in it or a sequel in the milky way. Last I checked Anthem was the second best selling game of the year so far. It’s ahead of Resident Evil 2 Remastered and they tweeted recently that they sold 4 million copies so Anthem has sold at least that many.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 5:22:34 GMT
Saying the other endings happen in "other realities" is the same as saying they didn't happen. It's the same as saying that IT only happened in the players delusional imagination *Snip* There is no reason to wipe any of the out or reduce them to the "other realities" line (which basically tells people to be delusional in order to exercise a choice to role play ME3 in different ways... a choice they were once legitimately given by Bioware.
If thats the way you feel and how you'd take such a decision, fair enough. But thats not how i feel and i disagree. Since i've at no point expressed a preference for destroy or any other ending, I'm guessing that comment was aimed at other people you've been discussing this with. I do agree that they can tell most any interesting story in Andromeda. And i think that they shouldn't abandon that galaxy regardless or whether they do anything else Milky way related. You can read my response to alanc9 which states precisely why I feel there is a tangible difference. If they just declare a canon, there is no ability to choose the others at all. If they write a short comic for each bringing each one to a single state for the galaxy through events, it becomes possible to choose each as a different beginning to the next game. Having that brief sequence tying it in and then having affect even a small amount of dialogue during the game (in much the same way Shepard's backstory did in ME1 and then in ME2 and ME3) would create that opportunity to replay the story with those slight differences. IMO, it would enhance the experience the same way having a few different backstories for Shepard did with ME1. It wouldn't lessen the quality of the actual story being told in the game... which would begin after those sequences of events occurred that brought the galaxy to a consistent state for each scenario. We all played with a Shepard who was XO of Normandy regardless of how he/she came to be part of the Alliance... but it made a difference to us to be able to just choose that background path for ourselves. I don't see why it couldn't work with the galaxy the same way.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 26, 2019 11:32:44 GMT
Write a short comic? How many people would buy the comic vs people who played the games?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 12:31:27 GMT
Write a short comic? How many people would buy the comic vs people who played the games? It was done beforee, twice in fact, at the start of ME2 and again at the start of ME3 to enable starting the game with some choices for people who had not played the previous games. The only difference, is this one would include a description of interim events between the end of ME3 and the beginning of the next ME3 and it's purpose would be to ultimately bring the galaxy to a consistent state in all cases so that the game could still be sensitive to some choices through various bits of changing dialogue. That consistent state of the galaxy could be anything Bioware wants to write a game forward from, which could even be one where all the Reapers are eventually destroyed (even if synthesis was the ending chosen by the player) because there could be subsequent events written that describe how synthesis didn't work out and ultimately another war erupted with the Reapers being destroyed. The difference there would be that at least they would be providing an explanation and some closure to people who chose synthesis rather than just abandoning and expunging the ending entirely. The ONLY thing you'd have to let go of is Shepard since the next game would be occurring far into the future from ME3. It could even be said on one version of the comic that Shepard survived and died years later, etc.
I believe the import comics for ME2 and ME3 were free and would anticipate this to be basically included with the game.
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