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Post by Iakus on Mar 14, 2019 20:47:16 GMT
It's not a mistery, unless you want it to be a mistery. They higher the EMS is, the less damage the crucibile causes. To things and to people So Shepard survived the explosions. Very simple. He is a sort of cyborg, a boosted beast of destruction, he was practically hit by Harbringer red-ray-of-death and he is still standing. In arrival DLC he survived a granade explosion with no consequence. So he survived the red tube explosion too. Hardly believable? Maybe, but maybe not. If Shepard takes a breath, that means that the containment field that keeps the atmosphere intact on that portion of the Citadel is at least still standing. Nevermind that Shepard was badly injured even BEFORE walking into the fireball (which by itself indicates some pretty major brain damage already), and is now a faceless torso trapped in an area of the Citadel no one even knows exists even if they knew to look for him/her. I mean seriously, they don't even bother to show Shepard's face! The whole scene is an afterhtought. Both original and EC
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 14, 2019 20:51:26 GMT
If Shepard takes a breath, that means that the containment field that keeps the atmosphere intact on that portion of the Citadel is at least still standing. Nevermind that Shepard was badly injured even BEFORE walking into the fireball (which by itself indicates some pretty major brain damage already), and is now a faceless torso trapped in an area of the Citadel no one even knows exists even if they knew to look for him/her. I mean seriously, they don't even bother to show Shepard's face! The whole scene is an afterhtought. Both original and EC I suspect that the breath scene was made as a canned cinematic with no coding for customization (beyond maybe kinda sorta somehow having a feminine and masculine sounding gasp for air). I wouldn't be surprised if the actual model they animated for those few seconds was literally just a torso lol.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 14, 2019 21:00:55 GMT
Nevermind that Shepard was badly injured even BEFORE walking into the fireball (which by itself indicates some pretty major brain damage already), and is now a faceless torso trapped in an area of the Citadel no one even knows exists even if they knew to look for him/her. I mean seriously, they don't even bother to show Shepard's face! The whole scene is an afterhtought. Both original and EC I suspect that the breath scene was made as a canned cinematic with no coding for customization (beyond maybe kinda sorta somehow having a feminine and masculine sounding gasp for air). I wouldn't be surprised if the actual model they animated for those few seconds was literally just a torso lol. If only after the initial outrage, they had taken an opportunity to EXTEND the cut and provide additional CLARITY and CLOSURE for p*ssed off fans...
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 14, 2019 21:19:02 GMT
I suspect that the breath scene was made as a canned cinematic with no coding for customization (beyond maybe kinda sorta somehow having a feminine and masculine sounding gasp for air). I wouldn't be surprised if the actual model they animated for those few seconds was literally just a torso lol. If only after the initial outrage, they had taken an opportunity to EXTEND the cut and provide additional CLARITY and CLOSURE for p*ssed off fans... To be fair they have used that "breath at the end" in a ton of movies. It's not like bioware came up with it.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 14, 2019 21:29:13 GMT
If only after the initial outrage, they had taken an opportunity to EXTEND the cut and provide additional CLARITY and CLOSURE for p*ssed off fans... To be fair they have used that "breath at the end" in a ton of movies. It's not like bioware came up with it. Thing is, it went over like a lead balloon. They had a chance to change it, and didn't. Granted given the Normandy pickup scene, they probably would have replaced it with something equally stupid. But they could have at least TRIED, rather than further broadcast how tone-deaf they have become...
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 14, 2019 21:33:58 GMT
To be fair they have used that "breath at the end" in a ton of movies. It's not like bioware came up with it. Thing is, it went over like a lead balloon. They had a chance to change it, and didn't. Granted given the Normandy pickup scene, they probably would have replaced it with something equally stupid. But they could have at least TRIED, rather than further broadcast how tone-deaf they have become... I never said I liked it. Personally I would have liked to have it where if you get a massive amount of war assets that you can see shepard with his LI. Maybe they are surrounded by ruins or something to show how much death and damage was done so you realize just how much it cost to beat the reapers.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 15, 2019 0:54:09 GMT
I suspect that the breath scene was made as a canned cinematic with no coding for customization (beyond maybe kinda sorta somehow having a feminine and masculine sounding gasp for air). I wouldn't be surprised if the actual model they animated for those few seconds was literally just a torso lol. If only after the initial outrage, they had taken an opportunity to EXTEND the cut and provide additional CLARITY and CLOSURE for p*ssed off fans... John P's Alternate MEHEM takes care of that.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 15, 2019 0:58:11 GMT
If only after the initial outrage, they had taken an opportunity to EXTEND the cut and provide additional CLARITY and CLOSURE for p*ssed off fans... John P's Alternate MEHEM takes care of that. not for those of us who play on console. And before you say I should buy it for PC I will point out that would mean buying all the dlc AGAIN.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 15, 2019 1:09:50 GMT
John P's Alternate MEHEM takes care of that. not for those of us who play on console. And before you say I should buy it for PC I will point out that would mean buying all the dlc AGAIN. You can get the whole trilogy for $13.50 but the only DLC is comes with are the ones from ME1. $22.50 for ME2 DLC and $27.00 for ME3 DLC. Comes out to about the price of a new game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 2:10:30 GMT
but then, they added a little mystery at the end... Shepard might live. How? It's not a mistery, unless you want it to be a mistery. They higher the EMS is, the less damage the crucibile causes. To things and to people So Shepard survived the explosions. Very simple. He is a sort of cyborg, a boosted beast of destruction, he was practically hit by Harbringer red-ray-of-death and he is still standing. In arrival DLC he survived a granade explosion with no consequence. So he survived the red tube explosion too. Hardly believable? Maybe, but maybe not. The Crucible doesn't use an explosive force to destroy the Reapers though. It can't because if that explosion couldn't kill a single, already seriously injured, human close to its origin, the blast would never ever even remotely be large enough to kill even a single Reaper in orbit. The explosion is completely unrelated to anything the Crucible is about; therefore, EMS should have nothing to do with whether or not Shepard survives. There is no logical reason why the Crucible in each scenario is activated by entirely different means. The thing was built with only one trigger... the one Hackett expected to be able to use remotely once Shepard and Anderson armed it on the station... and last we heard, that trigger wasn't working.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 15, 2019 8:52:21 GMT
It's not a mistery, unless you want it to be a mistery. They higher the EMS is, the less damage the crucibile causes. To things and to people So Shepard survived the explosions. Very simple. He is a sort of cyborg, a boosted beast of destruction, he was practically hit by Harbringer red-ray-of-death and he is still standing. In arrival DLC he survived a granade explosion with no consequence. So he survived the red tube explosion too. Hardly believable? Maybe, but maybe not. The Crucible doesn't use an explosive force to destroy the Reapers though. It can't because if that explosion couldn't kill a single, already seriously injured, human close to its origin, the blast would never ever even remotely be large enough to kill even a single Reaper in orbit. The explosion is completely unrelated to anything the Crucible is about; therefore, EMS should have nothing to do with whether or not Shepard survives. There is no logical reason why the Crucible in each scenario is activated by entirely different means. The thing was built with only one trigger... the one Hackett expected to be able to use remotely once Shepard and Anderson armed it on the station... and last we heard, that trigger wasn't working. mmm nope. With very low ems, the destroy red-wave kills humans and aliens too. It also destroy buildings etc. So it's very related to EMS. The red wave seems to have two effects. Let's take the nuclear bomb as an example: there are many effects, there are raditions, and there is the shock wave (and heath etc). The crucible red wave "radiations" kill the reapers and synth, despite EMS level. The "shock wave" could be devastating or harmless depending on EMS. The radiations cannot kill shepard, because he's no synth. The shock wave? Of course. Except with very HIGH EMS. In this scenario the shock wave is practically a strong breath of wind. This picture is high EMS citadel. As you can see, the presidium is still standing, there are damages to the builiding but nothing devastating. So, if Shepard survived the red-tube simple explosion - and he survived worse -, he could easily have survived the red-wave, in high EMS.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 15, 2019 19:19:42 GMT
The Crucible doesn't use an explosive force to destroy the Reapers though. It can't because if that explosion couldn't kill a single, already seriously injured, human close to its origin, the blast would never ever even remotely be large enough to kill even a single Reaper in orbit. The explosion is completely unrelated to anything the Crucible is about; therefore, EMS should have nothing to do with whether or not Shepard survives. There is no logical reason why the Crucible in each scenario is activated by entirely different means. The thing was built with only one trigger... the one Hackett expected to be able to use remotely once Shepard and Anderson armed it on the station... and last we heard, that trigger wasn't working. mmm nope. With very low ems, the destroy red-wave kills humans and aliens too. It also destroy buildings etc. So it's very related to EMS. The red wave seems to have two effects. Let's take the nuclear bomb as an example: there are many effects, there are raditions, and there is the shock wave (and heath etc). The crucible red wave "radiations" kill the reapers and synth, despite EMS level. The "shock wave" could be devastating or harmless depending on EMS. The radiations cannot kill shepard, because he's no synth. The shock wave? Of course. Except with very HIGH EMS. In this scenario the shock wave is practically a strong breath of wind. This picture is high EMS citadel. As you can see, the presidium is still standing, there are damages to the builiding but nothing devastating. So, if Shepard survived the red-tube simple explosion - and he survived worse -, he could easily have survived the red-wave, in high EMS. The red wave propagates at ftl speeds and the explosive force does not seem to attenuate with distance. It also apparently affects synthetics and possibly cybernetics (the "even you are partly synthetic" line)
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Post by themikefest on Mar 15, 2019 20:24:52 GMT
This picture is high EMS citadel. That picture is the same even if ems is at 1750. If below 1750, the Citadel is not shown.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 15, 2019 21:25:23 GMT
This picture is high EMS citadel. That picture is the same even if ems is at 1750. If below 1750, the Citadel is not shown. yes, and nobody is hurt in >1750 destroy. Not on the earth, not in tuchanka or thessia. Why should shepard on the citadel be the only organic to be vaporized by the red wave?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2019 21:28:33 GMT
That picture is the same even if ems is at 1750. If below 1750, the Citadel is not shown. yes, and nobody is hurt in >1750 destroy. Not on the earth, not in tuchanka or thessia. Why should shepard on the citadel be the only organic to be vaporized by the red wave? Well, for starters they walked into the explosion as they shot the tube while already on the verge of death.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:32:53 GMT
yes, and nobody is hurt in >1750 destroy. Not on the earth, not in tuchanka or thessia. Why should shepard on the citadel be the only organic to be vaporized by the red wave? Well, for starters they walked into the explosion as they shot the tube while already on the verge of death. I think shepard lived however I have to agree that the beam not hurting the people on earth and such doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt shep who was standing right next to it. It's like someone shooting a twelve gauge shot gun. People ten and twenty feet away might not get hurt by the sound (obviously they wouldn't be standing in front of it.) However someone standing right next to the end of the barrel while it's fired will at best have a ear ache and at worst go deaf in that ear
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Post by Guardian on Mar 19, 2019 2:13:19 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, I don't care if they make another Mass Effect game again. But if they do, I'd like it to at least fit into the setting without yet another miraculous piece of technology that appears to get them out of the corner they've painted themselves in. I think I might just be on the same page. BioWare can still do a game set in space with aliens but separate from ME. Might be the only way to get past the controversy. I still think that if MEA weren't until the ME brand it might have fared better.
I think, thanks to the ending debacle that was ME3, Andromeda had to suffer. We'll never know for certain, but this is a real possibility.
I suspect that the breath scene was made as a canned cinematic with no coding for customization (beyond maybe kinda sorta somehow having a feminine and masculine sounding gasp for air). I wouldn't be surprised if the actual model they animated for those few seconds was literally just a torso lol. If only after the initial outrage, they had taken an opportunity to EXTEND the cut and provide additional CLARITY and CLOSURE for p*ssed off fans... This is really all I wanted for me to have closure with ME 3. That's it - I don't need another game with Shep so long as I can have that closure moment. John P's Alternate MEHEM takes care of that. And if I had a comp that could handle it, I'd consider playing it on PC, but eh, at least I know someone out there felt the same way and at least tried to fix the mistake.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2019 2:23:29 GMT
I think I might just be on the same page. BioWare can still do a game set in space with aliens but separate from ME. Might be the only way to get past the controversy. I still think that if MEA weren't until the ME brand it might have fared better.
I think, thanks to the ending debacle that was ME3, Andromeda had to suffer. We'll never know for certain, but this is a real possibility.
If only after the initial outrage, they had taken an opportunity to EXTEND the cut and provide additional CLARITY and CLOSURE for p*ssed off fans... This is really all I wanted for me to have closure with ME 3. That's it - I don't need another game with Shep so long as I can have that closure moment. John P's Alternate MEHEM takes care of that. And if I had a comp that could handle it, I'd consider playing it on PC, but eh, at least I know someone out there felt the same way and at least tried to fix the mistake. Admittedly my computer is fairly new but I bought it to handle MEA. Still considering a console but I hate not having mods.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 19, 2019 3:27:19 GMT
Well, for starters they walked into the explosion as they shot the tube while already on the verge of death. I think shepard lived however I have to agree that the beam not hurting the people on earth and such doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt shep who was standing right next to it. It's like someone shooting a twelve gauge shot gun. People ten and twenty feet away might not get hurt by the sound (obviously they wouldn't be standing in front of it.) However someone standing right next to the end of the barrel while it's fired will at best have a ear ache and at worst go deaf in that ear Some one straight up asked them during a convention if people on the citadel survived and they were seemingly baffled that we thought people on the citadel died in large numbers. Yeah a section that is destroyed people died on but even partially destroyed sections would have barriers popping up keeping out the vacuum. Even chunks of the citadel that were blown off the people in that section would be alive.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2019 14:00:13 GMT
I think shepard lived however I have to agree that the beam not hurting the people on earth and such doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt shep who was standing right next to it. It's like someone shooting a twelve gauge shot gun. People ten and twenty feet away might not get hurt by the sound (obviously they wouldn't be standing in front of it.) However someone standing right next to the end of the barrel while it's fired will at best have a ear ache and at worst go deaf in that ear Some one straight up asked them during a convention if people on the citadel survived and they were seemingly baffled that we thought people on the citadel died in large numbers. Yeah a section that is destroyed people died on but even partially destroyed sections would have barriers popping up keeping out the vacuum. Even chunks of the citadel that were blown off the people in that section would be alive. To me, it looked like it was so ruined that nothing could have survived. I figured that kind of damage could have destroyed most of what was powering it. Even the part where Shepard traveled seemed to be running on backups rather than full power. And the dead littering those areas doesn't really speak to lots of survivors.
Assuming the devs have any idea what they talked about (lol) I wonder how the keepers are treated thereafter. We know they were harvesting the humans. Can they be trusted? And can the Citadel run without them?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 19, 2019 14:09:37 GMT
Admittedly my computer is fairly new but I bought it to handle MEA. Still considering a console but I hate not having mods. I would suggest getting a ps4. Why? Because you can play God of War, Uncharted series, Horizon Zero Dawn and many other excellent games for the playstation. Or you can wait until the ps5, if that's what it will be called, is released. Possibly late 2020.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 19, 2019 14:33:02 GMT
I think shepard lived however I have to agree that the beam not hurting the people on earth and such doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt shep who was standing right next to it. It's like someone shooting a twelve gauge shot gun. People ten and twenty feet away might not get hurt by the sound (obviously they wouldn't be standing in front of it.) However someone standing right next to the end of the barrel while it's fired will at best have a ear ache and at worst go deaf in that ear Some one straight up asked them during a convention if people on the citadel survived and they were seemingly baffled that we thought people on the citadel died in large numbers. Yeah a section that is destroyed people died on but even partially destroyed sections would have barriers popping up keeping out the vacuum. Even chunks of the citadel that were blown off the people in that section would be alive. See I don't understand this. The reapers would have sent troops in there and unless they somehow decided to spare the people in there and those people didn't fight there would be alot of deaths.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 19, 2019 14:37:14 GMT
Admittedly my computer is fairly new but I bought it to handle MEA. Still considering a console but I hate not having mods. I would suggest getting a ps4. Why? Because you can play God of War, Uncharted series, Horizon Zero Dawn and many other excellent games for the playstation. Or you can wait until the ps5, if that's what it will be called, is released. Possibly late 2020. I have bought a xbox since they first came out and the last playstation I bought was a PS2. If I can get past my foolish loyalty or stubborness I would buy a PS5 as my next console since Playstation seems to get all the good console exclusives and xbox only gets halo.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2019 15:18:50 GMT
I would suggest getting a ps4. Why? Because you can play God of War, Uncharted series, Horizon Zero Dawn and many other excellent games for the playstation. Or you can wait until the ps5, if that's what it will be called, is released. Possibly late 2020. I have bought a xbox since they first came out and the last playstation I bought was a PS2. If I can get past my foolish loyalty or stubborness I would buy a PS5 as my next console since Playstation seems to get all the good console exclusives and xbox only gets halo. The main reason I haven't gone console, aside from mods, was Xbox. I got red rings of death. I fought to get it replaced with them paying for shipping. Then it happened again and I was done.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2019 15:25:49 GMT
I have bought a xbox since they first came out and the last playstation I bought was a PS2. If I can get past my foolish loyalty or stubborness I would buy a PS5 as my next console since Playstation seems to get all the good console exclusives and xbox only gets halo. The main reason I haven't gone console, aside from mods, was Xbox. I got red rings of death. I fought to get it replaced with them paying for shipping. Then it happened again and I was done. How long ago was that? The Red Ring of Death hasn't been a thing for like several years now.
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