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Post by wright1978 on May 14, 2019 18:50:53 GMT
Alright what if twenty years or so after the reaper wars we find out that galaxy has managed to fix some of the relays and thus reconnecting some of the galaxy. The efforts are focused on rebuilding when an enemy that is like the protheans shows up. I don't mean the actual protheans but someone like the people javik describes. They conquer and enslave every race they find and the survivors of the reaper wars were next. They have to fight or be enslaved. It wouldn't be apocalyptic like the reapers but it wouldn't have to be. We would even be able to use some of the old crew since given how long humans can live in the mass effect universe everyone from our old crew "except zaeed" could show as a squadmate.
They could even bring back shepard if they wanted too and he would still be able to fight.
Perhaps better since I see the galaxy needing to use alot of cybernatics to fix people who were hurt in that massive war and it would probably be a priority to find a way to fix those people so they could contribute. A robotic arm that hooks up to your brain and works like your old one only better is entirely possible for example. And they would want shepard back since he was such a powerful symbol. went a little off topic there but you get what I am saying.
You wouldn't need to bring back shepard and this was just one idea. One of my reasons for writing this rough idea. Is to show there is ALOT more stories to tell in the milky way Post reaper war. I thought this up in less then five minutes. Now imagine what a really good writer could do.
The only real limitation for this would be the control ending. Given that the reapers were patrolling the galaxy they could destroy anyone that became a threat or just turn evil again and kill everyone. So destroy or synthesis endings would work for this idea. And if you did destroy you could even bring back shepard which while cheesy and such would definetely sell games.
So tell me what you think. Is this a good idea? Should we go back to the milky way and see another story told about it.
Personally going back is a huge mistake. The MW imo is done. Continue with Andromeda. Agree stick with Andromeda given it's been started and is a lot less problematic.
I don't really see how you could shoehorn all the ending variations into the described scenario or any scenario.
Also i find the villain described, sounds essentially like the Kett, who i wouldn't be averse them time jumping past in adromeda an ddealing with their fate vvia comics etc because of their dullness.
If they were to return to the milky way(which i'm not a huge fan of) the need for a new overarching villain species wouldn't be a good idea imo. You've got a setting of mass destruction, probably followed by further death from disease etc, breakdown of law and order. Plenty of room for smaller scale character storytelling there imo.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 14, 2019 19:12:08 GMT
Alright what if twenty years or so after the reaper wars we find out that galaxy has managed to fix some of the relays and thus reconnecting some of the galaxy. The efforts are focused on rebuilding when an enemy that is like the protheans shows up. I don't mean the actual protheans but someone like the people javik describes. They conquer and enslave every race they find and the survivors of the reaper wars were next. They have to fight or be enslaved. It wouldn't be apocalyptic like the reapers but it wouldn't have to be. We would even be able to use some of the old crew since given how long humans can live in the mass effect universe everyone from our old crew "except zaeed" could show as a squadmate.
They could even bring back shepard if they wanted too and he would still be able to fight.
Perhaps better since I see the galaxy needing to use alot of cybernatics to fix people who were hurt in that massive war and it would probably be a priority to find a way to fix those people so they could contribute. A robotic arm that hooks up to your brain and works like your old one only better is entirely possible for example. And they would want shepard back since he was such a powerful symbol. went a little off topic there but you get what I am saying.
You wouldn't need to bring back shepard and this was just one idea. One of my reasons for writing this rough idea. Is to show there is ALOT more stories to tell in the milky way Post reaper war. I thought this up in less then five minutes. Now imagine what a really good writer could do.
The only real limitation for this would be the control ending. Given that the reapers were patrolling the galaxy they could destroy anyone that became a threat or just turn evil again and kill everyone. So destroy or synthesis endings would work for this idea. And if you did destroy you could even bring back shepard which while cheesy and such would definetely sell games.
So tell me what you think. Is this a good idea? Should we go back to the milky way and see another story told about it.
No, thanks. If I want to play a Mass Effect game set in the MWG I'll play the MET.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 19:37:51 GMT
Agree stick with Andromeda given it's been started and is a lot less problematic. It's also entirely uninteresting and exactly what everyone will expect. It will also be memed and clickbait articled/youtubed to hell and back. Be prepared for the most memed road to a game's launch you've ever seen. It's not going to be good and the negative coverage this game will get, will guarantee it getting buried on release.
No, thanks. If I want to play a Mass Effect game set in the MWG I'll play the MET. You'd buy it regardless.
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Post by wright1978 on May 14, 2019 19:42:51 GMT
Agree stick with Andromeda given it's been started and is a lot less problematic. It's also entirely uninteresting and exactly what everyone will expect. It will also be memed and clickbait articled/youtubed to hell and back. Be prepared for the most memed road to a game's launch you've ever seen. It's not going to be good and the negative coverage this game will get, will guarantee it getting buried on release.
No, thanks. If I want to play a Mass Effect game set in the MWG I'll play the MET. You'd buy it regardless. Well i think it's got the potential to be interesting.
Any return to the Milky Way would surely be memed/click baited/attacked to hell and back given the ME3 endings especially if they canonise things they said they wouldn't.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 20:09:53 GMT
Well i think it's got the potential to be interesting. I take that back. It would be interesting, but to all the wrong people, for all the wrong reasons. The majority of people didn't have that good a time in Andromeda the first time around. Any return to the Milky Way would surely be memed/click baited/attacked to hell and back given the ME3 endings especially if they canonise things they said they wouldn't. Actually, I think that the return of old loved faces and addressing the ME3 endings, exactly because it is so improbable and unexpected that everyone will be too bewildered, at least at first, to shit on it. They'll try to show the doubt, but even so, Bioware going back to address the ending that gets routinely listed in every "Top 10 worst endings" list, will at lest get clickbaiters curious. I think they will still report on it, but be multitudes less controversial, compared to an Andromeda 2 and a lot of them, exactly because it is a very gutsy move, will have some cautious optimism to report. I can see a whole lot of people losing their shit, in a very good way, about it.
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Post by griffith82 on May 14, 2019 20:31:01 GMT
Well i think it's got the potential to be interesting. I take that back. It would be interesting, but to all the wrong people, for all the wrong reasons. The majority of people didn't have that good a time in Andromeda the first time around. Any return to the Milky Way would surely be memed/click baited/attacked to hell and back given the ME3 endings especially if they canonise things they said they wouldn't. Actually, I think that the return of old loved faces and addressing the ME3 endings, exactly because it is so improbable and unexpected that everyone will be too bewildered, at least at first, to shit on it. They'll try to show the doubt, but even so, Bioware going back to address the ending that gets routinely listed in every "Top 10 worst endings" list, will at lest get clickbaiters curious. I think they will still report on it, but be multitudes less controversial, compared to an Andromeda 2 and a lot of them, exactly because it is a very gutsy move, will have some cautious optimism to report. I can see a whole lot of people losing their shit, in a very good way, about it. I disagree. But in the end it's up to Bioware and I hope they go with Andromeda but if not and it looks promising I'll likely get it but if it doesn't I won't.
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Post by griffith82 on May 14, 2019 20:32:43 GMT
If they continue Andromeda you aren't forced to play it. The "don't like it, don't buy it" attitude certain members of the fanbase have adopted, is not a good one and a non viable one, long term. Right now, we've reached a point where you want Bioware's next game to address as large an audience as possible, to get some growth. They need staff and standing within EA. If you want them to make a game that further spites the dissatisfied part of Bioware's fanbase and at the same time draws ire from the gaming media, it will, most likely, also be the last game Bioware makes. Right off the bat, an Andromeda 2 will not be doing them any favours. Unless you do force people to play it, not enough people will play it. I dont agree. Plenty liked Andromeda.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT
I dont agree. Plenty liked Andromeda. Not enough of them cared and most people buried it. It's why Montreal closed down and Andromeda rests with a 72% PC game review average on Metacritic. Even Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood did better than that, resting at 74%. I disagree. But in the end it's up to Bioware and I hope they go with Andromeda but if not and it looks promising I'll likely get it but if it doesn't I won't. You'd buy it regardless.
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Post by griffith82 on May 14, 2019 21:08:07 GMT
I dont agree. Plenty liked Andromeda. Not enough of them cared and most people buried it. It's why Montreal closed down and Andromeda rests with a 72% PC game review average on Metacritic. Even Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood did better than that, resting at 74%. I disagree. But in the end it's up to Bioware and I hope they go with Andromeda but if not and it looks promising I'll likely get it but if it doesn't I won't. You'd buy it regardless. I still see plenty who like it. As far as if I'd buy it no I won't. I'd buy it only if it interests me.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 21:30:55 GMT
I still see plenty who like it. Again, not enough. If they had been enough, Bioware Montreal would still be with us, there'd be plenty of Andromeda DLC and by now, most likely, a sequel already in the works. As far as if I'd buy it no I won't. I'd buy it only if it interests me. I seriously doubt that, my dude.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 14, 2019 22:42:02 GMT
I still see plenty who like it. Again, not enough. If they had been enough, Bioware Montreal would still be with us, there'd be plenty of Andromeda DLC and by now, most likely, a sequel already in the works. Considering they are working on a Mass Effect game to some capacity, for all you know there is a sequel in the works. And no, the fact that Montreal was being merged into Motive makes it obvious that that was happening regardless of MEA’s reception since that kind of thing takes time to plan and execute.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 22:46:26 GMT
Considering they are working on a Mass Effect game to some capacity, for all you know there is a sequel in the works. I pray, for Bioware's sake and that of its employees, that it isn't an Andromeda sequel. I would not envy anyone stepping into that line of fire. And no, the fact that Montreal was being merged into Motive makes it obvious that that was happening regardless of MEA’s reception since that kind of thing takes time to plan. We've had the same argument, Hanako. That's, simply, your interpretation of events.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 14, 2019 23:21:11 GMT
Considering they are working on a Mass Effect game to some capacity, for all you know there is a sequel in the works. I pray, for Bioware's sake and that of its employees, that it isn't an Andromeda sequel. I would not envy anyone stepping into that line of fire. And no, the fact that Montreal was being merged into Motive makes it obvious that that was happening regardless of MEA’s reception since that kind of thing takes time to plan. We've had the same argument, Hanako. That's, simply, your interpretation of events. And I pray it is. MEA is my favorite Mass Effect game and I would love to have a sequel to it. That's funny coming from you.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 23:29:53 GMT
MEA is my favorite Mass Effect game and I would love to have a sequel to it. Good for you. I wonder how many videos YongYea will have to make, before we start seeing people quitting Bioware because of low morale, in that scenario. That's funny coming from you. So you're telling me that Bioware Montreal, was formed to make a single game, Andromeda, with no Quarian Ark DLC and no sequel. And now you want them to make something that they never intended to follow up on, then.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 14, 2019 23:40:33 GMT
MEA is my favorite Mass Effect game and I would love to have a sequel to it. Good for you. I wonder how many videos YongYea will have to make, before we start seeing people quitting Bioware because of low morale, in that scenario. That's funny coming from you. So you're telling me that Bioware Montreal, was formed to make a single game, Andromeda, with no Quarian Ark DLC and no sequel. And now you want them to make something that they never intended to follow up on, then. Better yet, people should just see Yongyea for the clickbaiting idiot that he is and ignore him. People give way too much weight to Youtubers who are no more qualified than anyone else. First, MEA wasn't the only Bioware game Montreal worked on but the first they were the lead on. They were around for years as a support studio that helped worked on things like the DLC for the other games. Second, who says they never intended to follow up on it? Bioware certainly didn't, since people from both Montreal and Edmonton up to the top like Mac Walters talked about future games in Andromeda before it was even released and continued even after.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 23:48:18 GMT
Better yet, people should just see Yongyea for the clickbaiting idiot that he is and ignore him. People give way too much weight to Youtubers who are no more qualified than anyone else. You cannot control what effect he has on people. Second, who says they never intended to follow up on it? Why was Montreal merged with Motive?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 14, 2019 23:53:25 GMT
Better yet, people should just see Yongyea for the clickbaiting idiot that he is and ignore him. People give way too much weight to Youtubers who are no more qualified than anyone else. You cannot control what effect he has on people. Second, who says they never intended to follow up on it? Why was Montreal merged with Motive? Never said I could, did I? I just said what should happen. I don't know. Could be any number of reasons. Anyone who doesn't work there but claims to know the reason is pulling their answer out of thin air.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 14, 2019 23:58:57 GMT
So, according to you, EA pulled every single employee of a successful studio, that had plans for DLCs and a sequel, at the very least, to be put to work on another studio and killing support for that very lucrative, for EA, title. This is what you're saying?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 15, 2019 0:11:16 GMT
So, according to you, EA pulled every single employee of a successful studio, that had plans for DLCs and a sequel, at the very least, to be put to work on another studio and killing support for that very lucrative, for EA, title. This is what you're saying? They pulled the studio which had to have been in the plan long before the game released to work on what they hoped would be an even more successful game (even you must see that Star Wars makes more $ than Mass Effect), while letting any sequels e developed by other Bioware studios. And were there plans for a sequel? They never talked about it. And before you ring up things like teases, just because there is a tease doesn't mean it is for a DLC but instead could be for a sequel (makes more sense anyway since a Quarian Arc thing would take too many resources for a DLC). And did they kill support? For SP maybe after they did a bunch of patches, but last I checked MP is still being supported by Motive.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 15, 2019 0:28:09 GMT
They pulled the studio which had to have been in the plan long before the game released to work on what they hoped would be an even more successful game Remember that lady that got a lot of flak for listing herself as an animation lead for Andromeda? Is she in Motive now? How about Manveer Heir? How many of them did make it to Motive? Was that part of the plan? For these people to be let go? Where people fired or not? Or maybe they were temps and their contracts expired and the plan was for those to never be renewed? Because there was no plan to keep working on Andromeda, for DLC or sequels. And were there plans for a sequel? They never talked about it. Oh, so you're saying they never meant to do a sequel, then. So Andromeda's story is complete. On to something new, I suppose. Let's go to the Sombrero galaxy this time. And did they kill support? For SP maybe after they did a bunch of patches, but last I checked MP is still being supported by Motive. I don't see any new content. Last update I see is here blog.bioware.com/mass-effect-andromeda-multiplayer-updates/7 months ago. Just weapon buffs. Nothing out of Motive as far as I can see. Support seems dead to me. Unless keeping a server open is support. If that is the case, then I guess Battlefield: Hardline is just as alive.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 15, 2019 0:38:13 GMT
They pulled the studio which had to have been in the plan long before the game released to work on what they hoped would be an even more successful game Remember that lady that got a lot of flak for listing herself as an animation lead for Andromeda? Is she in Motive now? How about Manveer Heir? How many of them did make it to Motive? Was that part of the plan? For these people to be let go? Where people fired or not? Or maybe they were temps and their contracts expired and the plan was for those to never be renewed? Because there was no plan to keep working on Andromeda, for DLC or sequels. And were there plans for a sequel? They never talked about it. Oh, so you're saying they never meant to do a sequel, then. So Andromeda's story is complete. On to something new, I suppose. Let's go to the Sombrero galaxy this time. And did they kill support? For SP maybe after they did a bunch of patches, but last I checked MP is still being supported by Motive. I don't see any new content. Last update I see is here blog.bioware.com/mass-effect-andromeda-multiplayer-updates/7 months ago. Just weapon buffs. Nothing out of Motive as far as I can see. Support seems dead to me. Unless keeping a server open is support. If that is the case, then I guess Battlefield: Hardline is just as alive. I don't know what lady you're talking about so can't comment. Manveer Heir got fired for some of his racist remarks. I'm saying that they never said Montreal would be doing a sequel. Sorry for not making that more clear. In general they definitely have plans for a sequel, as I pointed out earlier. So they ended the support of a game a year and a half after it came out? The horror! I'm going to stop feeding you now.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 15, 2019 0:47:25 GMT
I don't know what lady you're talking about so can't comment. Allie Rose-Marie Leost. She is not working at Motive. Manveer Heir got fired for some of his racist remarks. Is that the official reason? I'm saying that they never said Montreal would be doing a sequel. Sorry for not making that more clear. In general they definitely have plans for a sequel, as I pointed out earlier. So Montreal management forgot to inform EA of their plans or ... can EA just steal your entire studio like that? So they ended the support of a game a year and a half after it came out? The horror! Imagine dropping an MP game after a year. I'm going to stop feeding you now. I think this speaks of itself. It was lovely chatting with you, Hanako. Would love to do so again.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2019 5:40:55 GMT
There’s heavy follower glut, made worse with the fact that you can kill all but one to survive to the next game So the problem is basically delivering on the things they alluded to. So we should have no expectations. I disagree with that. I’m not sure if it’s particularly reasonable to have greater expectations for significant character content, when they’re essentially add-ons for a separate game. I think you're asking too much, monetarily, of people and you're dismissing the fact that you purchased a product that you paid extra, with the logical expectation that something more would come out of it. I am referring specifically to Kasumi here. As I said, Zaeed was free DLC and it was an incentive to just buy the game, I wouldn't have that high expectations there. There’s so much to juggle, it’s no surprise that the only ones to get any meaningful content are the ones guaranteed to survive or the old favorites carried over since ME1. Basically, our fault for having expectations. Again. That is not a good marketing plan.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2019 5:51:48 GMT
Agree stick with Andromeda given it's been started and is a lot less problematic. It's also entirely uninteresting and exactly what everyone will expect. It will also be memed and clickbait articled/youtubed to hell and back. Be prepared for the most memed road to a game's launch you've ever seen. It's not going to be good and the negative coverage this game will get, will guarantee it getting buried on release. It's a fair bet that this would happen regardless.
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sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 15, 2019 11:05:12 GMT
Well, it goes to the overall planning, or lack thereof in character treatment across the games. I don't think BioWare had a real roadmap in place for surviving characters beyond the ones guaranteed to be there. I always felt some of them seemed a bit shoehorned into the positions they were in so they can make their cameo. Yes, you're right. But it isn't the consumers problem and dropping character plot points because it isn't convenient to you, three of which were LIs. I believe there would have been an internal meeting at Bioware when that decision was made, kind of like the the Schreier articles describes about the grinding mission in Anthem, the one with the four tombs, what's it called.
Edit: Oof, four of which where LIs. Sorry, Jacob, I completely forgot about you.
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