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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 16, 2019 14:31:09 GMT
Dial up connection? Man... that was the worst. I have memories of that and not fond ones. I wouldn't waste my time on internet forums back then when I had dial up for sure, don't even think about playing overrated multiplayer games ... reading physical books instead... good times. I still do read books Just not that many, can probably read one or two a year. The only online games I could play back then were MMO likes: Mu online, and there was another one that I really liked, Thang was its name. I remember the Google main page taking full 2 minutes to load... Jesus, horrific times back then. Wow, reading physical books and not getting down and dirty with the thicko scrubs playing multiplayer games. You must really be intelligent sitting on that horse of yours. Really mate, trying to flex your intellect by saying you were a bookworm in the 90s is quite pathetic and would tell me you probably didn't read books at all. Maybe ABC ones? Strawman. He simply washed nostalgia on good times reading books (something I can relate to with the very few books I've read in the 90s. Probably could count them on one or both hands. Would like to read The Lord of The Rings one of these days, dust off those ol imagination skills. Have got a Drew Mass Effect book waiting to be read too). I've been reading LOTR books for the past 3 years I think? One book each year due to time concerns. I only have one side book left (I think there're more out there that I don't know about), would definitely recommend, especially the main trilogy and the Hobbit. I may get my hands on the Witcher books at some point, I saw the whole collection in a book store not so long a go, minus the first book that apparently is less common to find these days.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Mar 16, 2019 15:07:34 GMT
Optimist people living at the moment (Carpe Diem) and satisfied by anything mediocre thrown at them vs pessimist/skeptic people looking at the historical trends, facts and the decline in many sections who remember the good ol' products and see through the BS happening among game developers and publishers and even other industries. We have an perspective divide here. I also give Bio franchises to Obsidian. At least they can provide something interesting and deep... they can shine and prosper even through early bugs and technical faults. Oh, this concept is very interesting regarding history of videogames. I mean, as much as KotOR 2 had some deep story, intriguing characters and so forth, they also got that bad release schedule handed to them: 13 months or so to develop a videogame [without even getting the chance to see the finished product of the previous one]. Obsidian did have some backlash about that (even though the story itself was pretty good, people could admit) and KotOR 3 was never developed because of LucasArts financial issues later and KotOR 2 stories basically became some sort of filler stuff or stuff that could be used better somewhere else and not leave that much of questions that were later (somewhat) answered by a novel and a MMO. (Some liked it, some didn't). Point is, I guess Obsidian (and Chris Avellone as well, as he stated many times never wanting to do a sort of ESB ending again) have all learned what went wrong, but Bioware (And EA, for that matter) seem to getting downhill everytime and always missing the right note there. There are, of course, people that like stuff that others don't and the other way around is also valid, there's no fault there. If people want to like Anthem, throw $60 or more for the company and enjoy what they payed for, that's good for them. And it's also good for everyone that in fact disliked the game to never buy it or drop it 2 weeks after playing it. But I guess we can all agree that this isn't the Bioware of old days. For me, they have been lost ever before Andromeda was met with somewhat polarizing opinions. As someone said, the company always kept supporting games for even a year after by releasing DLCs, comunicating with people here on forums and even their blog. But there was only silence both pre and post release and then the "We're terminating game support, we're only focusing on MP, and the next big title we'll make will be a MP only thing" (PS: I liked your Vaklu avatar so much that I had to write my thoughts regarding this thread's matters) Edit: And as for my vote for the poll, I would say Dragon Age 4 is their last chance to many people. See if they still got what it takes to continue a franchise and release the game with a great QA pre-game [which wasn't with Andromeda and now Anthem] and throw in a great story to attract fans that are waiting ever since for the old Bioware writing.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 16, 2019 15:19:54 GMT
Are you asserting I'm not an intellectual? If you have to ask... Are you an intellectual?
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Post by Coronavirus on Mar 16, 2019 16:45:08 GMT
We’ve got an intellectual badass here, schooling the doubters inbetween marking thesis papers and playing bing bing wahoo games on the latest children’s console. BioWare is in great hands when these are the last of it’s fans. Yaaay lol super slay like OMG yum soy
Anyhow that should be enough to qualify for a perma ban so try and enjoy Anthem while you still can lads before EA pulls the plug on the company. It isn’t gonna get any better for them from here.
Last one out turn out the lights.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 16, 2019 19:53:48 GMT
Optimist people living at the moment (Carpe Diem) and satisfied by anything mediocre thrown at them vs pessimist/skeptic people looking at the historical trends, facts and the decline in many sections who remember the good ol' products and see through the BS happening among game developers and publishers and even other industries. We have an perspective divide here. I also give Bio franchises to Obsidian. At least they can provide something interesting and deep... they can shine and prosper even through early bugs and technical faults. Oh, this concept is very interesting regarding history of videogames. I mean, as much as KotOR 2 had some deep story, intriguing characters and so forth, they also got that bad release schedule handed to them: 13 months or so to develop a videogame [without even getting the chance to see the finished product of the previous one]. Obsidian did have some backlash about that (even though the story itself was pretty good, people could admit) and KotOR 3 was never developed because of LucasArts financial issues later and KotOR 2 stories basically became some sort of filler stuff or stuff that could be used better somewhere else and not leave that much of questions that were later (somewhat) answered by a novel and a MMO. (Some liked it, some didn't). Point is, I guess Obsidian (and Chris Avellone as well, as he stated many times never wanting to do a sort of ESB ending again) have all learned what went wrong, but Bioware (And EA, for that matter) seem to getting downhill everytime and always missing the right note there. There are, of course, people that like stuff that others don't and the other way around is also valid, there's no fault there. If people want to like Anthem, throw $60 or more for the company and enjoy what they payed for, that's good for them. And it's also good for everyone that in fact disliked the game to never buy it or drop it 2 weeks after playing it. But I guess we can all agree that this isn't the Bioware of old days. For me, they have been lost ever before Andromeda was met with somewhat polarizing opinions. As someone said, the company always kept supporting games for even a year after by releasing DLCs, comunicating with people here on forums and even their blog. But there was only silence both pre and post release and then the "We're terminating game support, we're only focusing on MP, and the next big title we'll make will be a MP only thing" (PS: I liked your Vaklu avatar so much that I had to write my thoughts regarding this thread's matters) Edit: And as for my vote for the poll, I would say Dragon Age 4 is their last chance to many people. See if they still got what it takes to continue a franchise and release the game with a great QA pre-game [which wasn't with Andromeda and now Anthem] and throw in a great story to attract fans that are waiting ever since for the old Bioware writing. I appreciate your response and good style and taste in gaming (watched your YT trailer). Yes, Obsidian has been the unlucky one with release schedule and other restrictions on them. They will still have a good future and will be among top 3 RPG makers, while Bioware probably won't be in top 10 if DA4 is like ME:A and Anthem. And sadly I'll be busy in the next week or two. Thus won't be around till later.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 16, 2019 20:34:13 GMT
We’ve got an intellectual badass here, schooling the doubters inbetween marking thesis papers and playing bing bing wahoo games on the latest children’s console. BioWare is in great hands when these are the last of it’s fans. Yaaay lol super slay like OMG yum soy Anyhow that should be enough to qualify for a perma ban so try and enjoy Anthem while you still can lads before EA pulls the plug on the company. It isn’t gonna get any better for them from here. Last one out turn out the lights. UMMM?? K if you say so, but I must ask, Have you left the building yet because I really want to take these waders off
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Post by legbamel on Mar 16, 2019 20:58:40 GMT
I disagree, because Obsidian makes games that bore me much more quickly than BioWare's do. This sub-forum has turned into the Star Wars thread on steroids--people who dare to like something are berated and dogpiled by those who don't. Most posters are defensive and turn offensive because of it. BioWare hasn't lost money for EA (whether they've made as much as EA would have liked) and they likely aren't on Anthem, either. They're not dead or dying or on life support.
Anthem isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, of course. It's got some serious technical and design issues. However, the characters are engaging, the lore is intriguing, and there's a vast world out there for them to expand into over the coming years. I find the game enjoyable and am playing it with my family.
I've been on the boards since just after ME1 released and these threads have always existed. The level of venom has risen, though it was never all that low. What used to be directed at the devs now most often seems unleashed at other posters 'round here.
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Post by mousestalker on Mar 16, 2019 22:55:08 GMT
Please resume discussing the topic at hand and leave off the sneering and braggadocio.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 16, 2019 23:31:09 GMT
I disagree, because Obsidian makes games that bore me much more quickly than BioWare's do. This sub-forum has turned into the Star Wars thread on steroids--people who dare to like something are berated and dogpiled by those who don't. That's unfair to the Star Wars thread, which announces exactly who it's for. If you don't want to deal with those clowns, you don't read the thread. But this thread is ostensibly here for a debate.
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Post by regack on Mar 17, 2019 2:01:43 GMT
Qui-Gon GlenN7 Why isn't there a "it started years ago, you just didn't notice" option for an answer?
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Post by river82 on Mar 17, 2019 2:28:10 GMT
Well, D2 is here and I'm sure it will siphon off Anthem players. Those that have no "brand" fixation will always look for a better game. Anthem gave these players no reason to stick around.
Anthem is going through a rough patch. Give it enough time and it will improve on many fronts. Will players be patient for nirvana to come?
To be fair though, Massive Entertainment (what kind of fucking name is THAT) learnt a lot of lessons from the first Division.
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Post by jrpN7 on Mar 17, 2019 5:10:35 GMT
Honestly, I remain completely insulted that BioWare snuffed Mass Effect for Anthem. Seeing the mess that Anthem is this far after release would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
It never made sense to me for BioWare to introduce and work on Anthem when Mass Effect already had the story, the appeal, and the atmosphere. I figured maybe it would all make sense or be somewhat worthwhile in the end, but it's not and I am just flabbergasted.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 17, 2019 6:37:37 GMT
But that isn't what happened. ME would be going along just fine if Bio Montreal hadn't driven that Nomad over a cliff. Having Anthem doesn't mean no more ME, bad ME means (maybe) no more ME.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 17, 2019 10:22:48 GMT
Chris Schmidt went on Reddit to defend why all weapons look the same, then deleted his comments afterwards.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 17, 2019 13:02:17 GMT
Chris Schmidt went on Reddit to defend why all weapons look the same, then deleted his comments afterwards. That's an interesting thread. Chris had to have been reprimanded, or realized he was making a fool of himself. People dismantled his weaksauce rather easily and were very polite about it. Why anyone would choose to defend the indefensible... That's just not real bright. Chris may have reprimanded himself realizing what an incredibly dumb argument he was making.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 17, 2019 14:01:00 GMT
I don't think this is the death of Bioware as a studio yet.
EA has few studios, few big games being released and even fewer as the last few years have gone by. Despite the shortcomings of Andromeda and Anthem, I still think that EA sees Bioware as an asset, not a liability yet. Bioware is definitely not an asset at the capacity of DICE and Respawn, but an asset nonetheless.
There is a risk, since we are talking about EA after all, that content for Anthem is reduced after the current roadmap is being met, and perhaps even that Anthem is put on ice much sooner than anticipated (as it happens with the Mass Effect franchise), but I still bet that a new Dragon Age title will be released, and I would not discard the possibility of Bioware coming up with a new IP in the future. I am not saying those will surely be good and save Bioware's reputation, not at all, but they could happen.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 17, 2019 14:27:03 GMT
^^^^ is DICE still a great asset?
Real question; their last several releases have not gone swimmingly, their engine is perceived by most of us as being a flaming pile of shit that EA forces on other developers rather than them being excited to use it....
I don't think EA has any valuable company assets at the moment; they've destroyed each sufficiently now that each entity is no longer itself but just a remnant; an assimilated husk.
The only thing they own, of value, are their sporting franchises and the SW license, which they have done nothing with and I hate them just for that alone.
EA, the mighty, will die in less than 20 years. You heard it hear first; it is a horribly managed company from top to bottom.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 17, 2019 17:17:17 GMT
Frosbite is potentially a great engine at what it does: shooters, fps shooters to be specific. And that's where it ends, it shouldn't be used to make other type of games unless they put a team dedicated to expand the engine's capabilities first. They haven't done that, so every company has to figure the engine by themselves. I can only imagine the amount of time BW wasted back then with Andromeda and Inquisition to make the engine work, and clearly there're still a lot of things they haven't got ironed out yet looking at Anthem.
EA wanted it to be a jack of all trades like Unreal, but it's far from that. That cheap mentality they have of squeeze every penny out of every conceivable thing. As for companies left... they have Bioware, DICE and Respawn I think you could argue now as their main money makers, and of course their cashgrab that is sports. The problem is that they are all tied together with the same "recurrent revenue" rope, that shit will be the death of all. If EA could step in and say "okay guys, just make a good singleplayer game, don't worry about monetization, we'll add that as DLC later on, but just make the game without caveats" for once. As of now, the only way they're making tons of money is via scams honestly, half baked games with microtransactions. That's a scam.
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Post by decafhigh on Mar 17, 2019 18:54:16 GMT
EA, the mighty, will die in less than 20 years. You heard it hear first; it is a horribly managed company from top to bottom. If the rest of the EU follows Belgium with the loot box ban in FIFA I don't know that it will take that long. If EA is forced to try and shift their entire business model overnight it could ruin them, and quickly. I'm sure they are spending lots and lots of money over there at the moment to try and make sure that doesn't happen, but we'll see.
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Post by river82 on Mar 17, 2019 20:38:52 GMT
Chris Schmidt went on Reddit to defend why all weapons look the same, then deleted his comments afterwards. I can't believe he didn't see that car crash coming. I keep saying it feels like Bioware develops in an echo chamber and this sort of thing tends to showcase that. There's no credible defense to this other than "we ran out of time", anything else was always going to get picked apart. "We focused on suit customisation" - oh, good to see you not focus on LOOT in a LOOTER SHOOTER, nice decision there
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 21:53:04 GMT
I would love to see a documentary about Bioware's last ten years, especially Anthem's development. This "Dylan" feels a bit off-key and uninspired.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 17, 2019 23:06:17 GMT
^^^^ is DICE still a great asset? Real question; their last several releases have not gone swimmingly, their engine is perceived by most of us as being a flaming pile of shit that EA forces on other developers rather than them being excited to use it.... I don't think EA has any valuable company assets at the moment; they've destroyed each sufficiently now that each entity is no longer itself but just a remnant; an assimilated husk. The only thing they own, of value, are their sporting franchises and the SW license, which they have done nothing with and I hate them just for that alone. EA, the mighty, will die in less than 20 years. You heard it hear first; it is a horribly managed company from top to bottom. This needs to be reined back a little. Frostbite is not a flaming pile of shit. It is a tool that does an excellent job at what it's designed to do. The real problem is EA exerting pressure to use it for tasks it is not designed to do because they think they can save costs.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 17, 2019 23:18:15 GMT
^^^^ is DICE still a great asset? Real question; their last several releases have not gone swimmingly, their engine is perceived by most of us as being a flaming pile of shit that EA forces on other developers rather than them being excited to use it.... I don't think EA has any valuable company assets at the moment; they've destroyed each sufficiently now that each entity is no longer itself but just a remnant; an assimilated husk. The only thing they own, of value, are their sporting franchises and the SW license, which they have done nothing with and I hate them just for that alone. EA, the mighty, will die in less than 20 years. You heard it hear first; it is a horribly managed company from top to bottom. Dice is an asset I reckon, and a very valuable one. 2016's Battlefield 1 sold over 15 million copies and was overall pretty well received and it is a good game, runs well, looks great and sounds as crisp as games can get. The Frostbite Engine is a pile of shit when it comes to Bioware developing on it. Dice however uses that engine masterfully. BFV with Ray Tracing is probably the best looking game out there. And the Battlefield games in general are usually used as benchmarks in terms of groundbreaking graphics and hardware optimization. Now their last two games, BFV and Battlefront II didn't sell that well and were poorly received. Yet they still managed to get 7 million copies sold each, which is likely far more than Anthem will get. In all honesty, I would not bet against Dice coming up with a new Battlefield game as successful as BF1. And for Respawn, they are in my opinion one of the best studios out there right now. Three solid games (one of which, Titanfall II, is in my opinion an absolute masterpiece), very experienced people mostly coming from Infinity Ward (creators of Call of Duty games during its golden days). These people know their stuff. They are working on a new Star Wars game and also I would definitely not bet against it either. EA definitely has problems, but they also have solid assets. Bioware is not a major asset in the likes of the two aforementioned, but I think they are relevant enough to get another goal. Once again, I don't really think that Anthem itself will get a goal and might get scrapped soon, but Bioware might get another goal with Dragon Age 4 or whatever their next game will be.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 18, 2019 0:56:24 GMT
^^^^ is DICE still a great asset? Real question; their last several releases have not gone swimmingly, their engine is perceived by most of us as being a flaming pile of shit that EA forces on other developers rather than them being excited to use it.... I don't think EA has any valuable company assets at the moment; they've destroyed each sufficiently now that each entity is no longer itself but just a remnant; an assimilated husk. The only thing they own, of value, are their sporting franchises and the SW license, which they have done nothing with and I hate them just for that alone. EA, the mighty, will die in less than 20 years. You heard it hear first; it is a horribly managed company from top to bottom. This needs to be reined back a little. Frostbite is not a flaming pile of shit. It is a tool that does an excellent job at what it's designed to do. The real problem is EA exerting pressure to use it for tasks it is not designed to do because they think they can save costs. But.... But, muh hyperbole! It is a flaming PoS as far as I am concerned. I don't play FPS games, I don't get into CoD/Battlefield type of games. It was designed for that, and seems woefully difficult to use in other genres. Sure, any engine is a tool. Should we blame BioWare for being shit at using this tool? Should we blame DICE and EA for not lending proper support to BioWare so they would have better success modifying the engine? BioWare did not struggle so mightily with UE3. They also seemed to do fine with their own in-house engines, which for some reason (lack of skills son) they stopped doing. Basically, the brain bank has been shrinking for years, and the coders on the BioWare team are barely better than modders tbh. It is embarrassing that they made Anthem this poorly; it is not the engines fault.
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