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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 11, 2019 19:24:11 GMT
I think the lessons from Anthem can really help DA4. Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. Using the GAAS engine will also allow content to be delivered more like Anthem. That might require DA4 to be online only, but that's a small price to pay. Anthem was an attempt to do 'GAAS well'. I think that is yet to be proved (and there is still time to prove it), but BioWare will have at least 2 years of experience of it by the time DA4 arrives. I think DA4 will show more progression from DAI compared to the progression DAO had to DA2 and DA2 to DAI.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 11, 2019 19:27:11 GMT
I was hoping for better than the lamentable poll, but ok.... I would have gone for the option, 'after a shaky start, the game will do great and more GAAS features are a cert for DA4 and beyond'.150 hours in, the game is awesome, but the bugs have been disappointing. Good that most are now resolved. Optimism is forbidden in these parts.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 11, 2019 19:28:11 GMT
I think the lessons from Anthem can really help DA4. Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. Using the GAAS engine will also allow content to be delivered more like Anthem. That might require DA4 to be online only, but that's a small price to pay. Anthem was an attempt to do 'GAAS well'. I think that is yet to be proved (and there is still time to prove it), but BioWare will have at least 2 years of experience of it by the time DA4 arrives. I think DA4 will show more progression from DAI compared to the progression DAO had to DA2 and DA2 to DAI. What gaas features do you think are positive for the player?
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 11, 2019 19:31:49 GMT
I think the lessons from Anthem can really help DA4. Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. If Anthem proved one thing, just one, it would be that this is not a good idea at all.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 11, 2019 19:33:22 GMT
Oh it's my favourite DA game, I just think the ending was disappointing. Honestly, Trespasser is my favorite part of the game, it was the best example of breaking from the open world hub areas like we had in the base game. Admittedly the Descent was a step away, but Trespasser was a full on "linear" experience ala DA:O and DA2 and that's what I'd like more of going forwards. Plus the realization of a couple of important decisions in game. I agree Trespasser and the other DLC's being linear was a breath of fresh air so to speak with that said I would like to believe that Bioware knows that even that they have to use FB engine it doesn't mean that they have to go total open world with it.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 11, 2019 19:43:05 GMT
I think the lessons from Anthem can really help DA4. Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. Using the GAAS engine will also allow content to be delivered more like Anthem. That might require DA4 to be online only, but that's a small price to pay. Anthem was an attempt to do 'GAAS well'. I think that is yet to be proved (and there is still time to prove it), but BioWare will have at least 2 years of experience of it by the time DA4 arrives. I think DA4 will show more progression from DAI compared to the progression DAO had to DA2 and DA2 to DAI. I hope you are wrong. Dragon age going full on abomination would be very depressing to me.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 11, 2019 19:43:08 GMT
Hmmm, to be honest, that is exactly how I already felt about DA:I though. I played the game right after it's initial release and I wasn't very impressed, especially with how it ended. Then, last year, I played it again with Trespasser and it was fantastic. Then I realized that BW had simply sold us the final chapter as DLC. I was thinking about that as I wrote that comment. Luckily I bought the GOTY edition with all DLCs, but I imagined how pissed I would be if I'd played on launch and been denied the true ending. I roled my eyes a lot. And never bought any DLC. You usually only get to fool me once with cliffhangers.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 11, 2019 19:46:21 GMT
What gaas features do you think are positive for the player? By having more of the game 'in the cloud' you can fix, change and add stuff more quickly and more flexibly. Rather than a fixed game that ships pending fixed pieces of DLC, more of the game can be added over time. Enjoyable as Dragon Age games have been in the past, they don't evolve. I don't expect DA4 to be as full-on co-op as Anthem is, but to ignore the benefits of Anthem would be a huge mis-step and I think it's clear that some Anthem-like mechanics will be baked into the design.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 11, 2019 19:59:38 GMT
What gaas features do you think are positive for the player? By having more of the game 'in the cloud' you can fix, change and add stuff more quickly and more flexibly. Rather than a fixed game that ships pending fixed pieces of DLC, more of the game can be added over time. Enjoyable as Dragon Age games have been in the past, they don't evolve. I don't expect DA4 to be as full-on co-op as Anthem is, but to ignore the benefits of Anthem would be a huge mis-step and I think it's clear that some Anthem-like mechanics will be baked into the design. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the traditional SP game set up.
Meanwhile Anthem can't even get loot, in a looter shooter, to an acceptable state for the community.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 11, 2019 20:02:32 GMT
I think the lessons from Anthem can really help DA4. Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. Using the GAAS engine will also allow content to be delivered more like Anthem. That might require DA4 to be online only, but that's a small price to pay. Anthem was an attempt to do 'GAAS well'. I think that is yet to be proved (and there is still time to prove it), but BioWare will have at least 2 years of experience of it by the time DA4 arrives. I think DA4 will show more progression from DAI compared to the progression DAO had to DA2 and DA2 to DAI. And the lessons from Andromeda could've helped Anthem, and so on. A recurrent theme, and yet... Also, there's no GaaS done well, it's just a monetization scheme and none should fall for that. It does not benefit us the consumers. They're trying to milk your wallets as much as possible tricking you into thinking there's "more content" coming. Often times that content was already in, it was just cut out to sell it separately. On a single player game, this notion of keep playing said game for 500+ hours is absurd. There're literally thousands of games releasing each year, and people are busier than ever. Metrics show that the majority of people don't even finish games anymore, because they're so long and with so many DLCs it never fucking ends. Most of us just want a good story to be able to be finished in the 40 something hours span, and then move on. I don't want to play a SP game forever. They're adding MMO monetization schemes on everyting these days, on things that make no sense. Remember the last scheme? loot boxes, it lost traction last year, now it's this. Optimism is forbidden in these parts. When precedent shows only negative, and my hard earned cash is on the way...
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 11, 2019 20:06:28 GMT
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 11, 2019 20:11:42 GMT
What gaas features do you think are positive for the player? By having more of the game 'in the cloud' you can fix, change and add stuff more quickly and more flexibly. Rather than a fixed game that ships pending fixed pieces of DLC, more of the game can be added over time. Enjoyable as Dragon Age games have been in the past, they don't evolve. I don't expect DA4 to be as full-on co-op as Anthem is, but to ignore the benefits of Anthem would be a huge mis-step and I think it's clear that some Anthem-like mechanics will be baked into the design. It’s yet to be seen whether that’s actually the case though. Development cycles are still there and are not affected by a monetization scheme like GaaS. Even if those actually are benefits, I’m not convinced they outweigh the negatives. Also, like someone else said, I don’t need my so game to keep changing over time. Why would I wAnt this?
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Post by ahglock on Mar 11, 2019 20:16:04 GMT
Don’t know. It’s launch has a lot of negative noise. But no one but them is seeing the numbers.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 11, 2019 20:19:07 GMT
Also, like someone else said, I don’t need my so game to keep changing over time. Why would I wAnt this? How DARE you question the road map?!
You'll see, heretic! The game will be GREAT in six months! It'll be fucking fantastic! YOU'LL SEE!
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 11, 2019 20:28:14 GMT
Don’t know. It’s launch has a lot of negative noise. But no one but them is seeing the numbers. We do know a couple of things though without exact figures... - despite being mentioned a few times, "Anthem" release was nowhere near as bad as "Fallout 76" financially. "Fallout 76" was reduced $20 10 days after release while "Anthem", 18 days later, is still full price everywhere save for "Amazon", which is only really discounting physical copies of the "Legion of Dawn" edition. - Speaking of Amazon, the standard edition digital version of "Anthem" is still a #1 Best Seller - As for the PS4, "Anthem" was #1 for digital sales, both in US and UK, through the PSN for the entire month of February despite being out only 7 days (Feb 22nd - Feb 28th)...I've read similar numbers for the XBox store as well but couldn't verify if it was just at week's end or for the entire month. - More content is being created for "Anthem" as per Twitter pics of actors in MOCAPs Despite this, with the Division 2 and other games coming out, I fully expect discounts on the game to start in the near future but the initial push of sales at release appears pretty promising.
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Post by OdanUrr on Mar 11, 2019 20:38:59 GMT
The fourth fiscal quarter ends on March 31st. If EA has trouble reaching sales numbers, I suppose they'll offer some kind of discount before that date.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 11, 2019 20:42:23 GMT
Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. Absolutely not.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 11, 2019 20:48:28 GMT
The fourth fiscal quarter ends on March 31st. If EA has trouble reaching sales numbers, I suppose they'll offer some kind of discount before that date. Yeah, that's a good point. They said they are shooting for 6 million copies combined between physical and digital so, if they want to boost "per unit" sales towards the end of the quarter, that would be a good way to do it.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 11, 2019 20:50:22 GMT
I think the lessons from Anthem can really help DA4. Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. Using the GAAS engine will also allow content to be delivered more like Anthem. That might require DA4 to be online only, but that's a small price to pay. Anthem was an attempt to do 'GAAS well'. I think that is yet to be proved (and there is still time to prove it), but BioWare will have at least 2 years of experience of it by the time DA4 arrives. I think DA4 will show more progression from DAI compared to the progression DAO had to DA2 and DA2 to DAI. Huh? wait a minute your not the real Sofajockey are you?? your an imposter! release Sofa NOW!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 11, 2019 20:54:04 GMT
I think the lessons from Anthem can really help DA4. Fully integrating multiplayer into the plot would be an excellent start as they wimped out in DAI. Using the GAAS engine will also allow content to be delivered more like Anthem. That might require DA4 to be online only, but that's a small price to pay. Anthem was an attempt to do 'GAAS well'. I think that is yet to be proved (and there is still time to prove it), but BioWare will have at least 2 years of experience of it by the time DA4 arrives. I think DA4 will show more progression from DAI compared to the progression DAO had to DA2 and DA2 to DAI. Huh? wait a minute your not the real Sofajockey are you?? your an imposter! release Sofa NOW! He’s a pod person!
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 11, 2019 20:54:50 GMT
The fourth fiscal quarter ends on March 31st. If EA has trouble reaching sales numbers, I suppose they'll offer some kind of discount before that date. They might do it to boost sales numbers in any case. Personally I’m keen to hear what EA says in their next earnings call.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 11, 2019 20:58:36 GMT
Personally I’m keen to hear what EA says in their next earnings call. They'll just repeat themselves for the, what is it now? 12th time in a row? "Failed to meet exPeCtasioOons". They say the same wether a game sells 5 million or 50.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 11, 2019 20:59:56 GMT
Personally I’m keen to hear what EA says in their next earnings call. They'll just repeat themselves for the, what is it now? 12th time in a row? "Failed to meet exPeCtasioOons". They say the same wether a game sells 5 million or 50. And yet they didn't say it about "ME:A" at either 2016 Q4 or 2017 Q1 investor calls
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Post by OdanUrr on Mar 11, 2019 21:03:49 GMT
They'll just repeat themselves for the, what is it now? 12th time in a row? "Failed to meet exPeCtasioOons". They say the same wether a game sells 5 million or 50. And yet they didn't say it about "ME:A" at either 2016 Q4 or 2017 Q1 investor calls No, they just scuttled any and all DLC plans and killed BioWare Montréal.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 11, 2019 21:04:22 GMT
GAAS is not a bad idea in theory.
The developer gives you a game, and then the money from the microtransactions funds future content. Win-win for everyone.
But in the reality of today's corporate world, bottom lines and meeting earnings, it will never be that. You just have companies releasing bare-bones games, and then selling content to the players. Content that would have otherwise been in the game had it not been a GAAS project.
So instead of getting a complete game, you get bare-bones content so the rest can be given out piecemeal over time to keep you constantly playing and spending money.
I said in another thread that I saw a livestream in Jan with Ben Irving where he was going through the menus, showing how you can customize your javelin. There were probably like 10 or so armor sets, a few dozen emotes, tons of alloys. Then look at what you got in the game. They probably held out 3 times as much to sell to players as they put in the base game. This is just an example of the type of behavior that GAAS encourage.
I don't want this type of thing anywhere near the next DA game.
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