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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 18:18:57 GMT
So, I'm going to lay out a choice here and it may be considered a big FU to a lot of people, but I'm not here to play nice. The bottom line for Bioware is to make EA money. After Andromeda and after Anthem, I can't see people falling for Andromeda 2. Like, it's Mass Effect: Andromeda, the game that got memed to death. Now part 2, with more memes. That is going to put off a lot of people. A LOT of people. What you want is to get people on board. No doubt there's ways you can do that with Andromeda 2, but you can bet people are going to cringe at the mere mention of that. As Bioware, I would not want to face an uphill battle. Not with current Bioware problems, which may be prevalent up and to Andromeda 2. If you make the slightest fault, you'll be facing the firing squad, not just from reviewers and gaming outlets, but EA, as well. If you love Bioware, you do not want them to do it either, as this is not the time for them to take risks. However, knowingly or not, they can give themselves a free pass. Shepard survives in the good destroy ending. All they have to say is "we decided to say one more story about Shepard". With that right there, you got a lot of people interested, you got people hooked and you got people hyped. They're thinking shooting shit with Garrus, head butting Krogan with Wrex, singing with Tali , or little blue babies, or aperitifs in Ilium with Miranda or hunting Cerberus stragglers for fun with Jack and Eezo. Whatever the case, they are at the very least curious and you have their ear. Now, it's not easy to get the good Destroy ending. On release, unless you played MP, it was nearly impossible. Even if you had done everything right, everyone that could survive, did so etc. So, the only way to continue would be through a perfect playthrough, which mean the best possible outcomes, even curing the Genophage, everyone that could survive the Suicide Mission and ME3 after that did. You create a filter. It doesn't invalidate other choices. It doesn't make them non-canon. It just shows you what happens, if Shepard survives the ending. If you did any of the other endings, sorry, all conflict is ended, forever. You did good, son. You did good. But if not? Well, then there's still work to do. Maybe a certain former Cerberus operative tracks down the installation where EDI was built? And EDI has to grow from the start, by interacting with the crew again and learning about organics all over again. The Quarians "rebooted" the geth to their pre-Reaper code state? Still helpful allies for the Quarians to rebuild and grow out of their suits? Just things you could explore.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 5, 2019 21:01:19 GMT
So, I'm going to lay out a choice here and it may be considered a big FU to a lot of people, but I'm not here to play nice. The bottom line for Bioware is to make EA money. After Andromeda and after Anthem, I can't see people falling for Andromeda 2. Like, it's Mass Effect: Andromeda, the game that got memed to death. Now part 2, with more memes. That is going to put off a lot of people. A LOT of people. What you want is to get people on board. No doubt there's ways you can do that with Andromeda 2, but you can bet people are going to cringe at the mere mention of that. As Bioware, I would not want to face an uphill battle. Not with current Bioware problems, which may be prevalent up and to Andromeda 2. If you make the slightest fault, you'll be facing the firing squad, not just from reviewers and gaming outlets, but EA, as well. If you love Bioware, you do not want them to do it either, as this is not the time for them to take risks. However, knowingly or not, they can give themselves a free pass. Shepard survives in the good destroy ending. All they have to say is "we decided to say one more story about Shepard". With that right there, you got a lot of people interested, you got people hooked and you got people hyped. They're thinking shooting shit with Garrus, head butting Krogan with Wrex, singing with Tali , or little blue babies, or aperitifs in Ilium with Miranda or hunting Cerberus stragglers for fun with Jack and Eezo. Whatever the case, they are at the very least curious and you have their ear. Now, it's not easy to get the good Destroy ending. On release, unless you played MP, it was nearly impossible. Even if you had done everything right, everyone that could survive, did so etc. So, the only way to continue would be through a perfect playthrough, which mean the best possible outcomes, even curing the Genophage, everyone that could survive the Suicide Mission and ME3 after that did. You create a filter. It doesn't invalidate other choices. It doesn't make them non-canon. It just shows you what happens, if Shepard survives the ending. If you did any of the other endings, sorry, all conflict is ended, forever. You did good, son. You did good. But if not? Well, then there's still work to do. Maybe a certain former Cerberus operative tracks down the installation where EDI was built? And EDI has to grow from the start, by interacting with the crew again and learning about organics all over again. The Quarians "rebooted" the geth to their pre-Reaper code state? Still helpful allies for the Quarians to rebuild and grow out of their suits? Just things you could explore. I don't think andromeda 2 would be a massive fail (and I want the next game to take place after the reaper war and in the milky way preferabbly with shepard) That said I think your idea is great.
And showing people what would happen with each ending but saying they would go with "This ending" would likely appease most people. I like this idea and hope they go with it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 21:16:58 GMT
I don't think andromeda 2 would be a massive fail (and I want the next game to take place after the reaper war and in the milky way preferabbly with shepard) That said I think your idea is great.
And showing people what would happen with each ending but saying they would go with "This ending" would likely appease most people. I like this idea and hope they go with it.
Andromeda 2 could, potentially, even be a huge success. But it wouldn't be an easy success. Right now, Bioware needs to get people back on board. That scenario? That would get people on board. It would get people hyped and excited, but most importantly hopeful.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 5, 2019 21:25:37 GMT
I don't think andromeda 2 would be a massive fail (and I want the next game to take place after the reaper war and in the milky way preferabbly with shepard) That said I think your idea is great.
And showing people what would happen with each ending but saying they would go with "This ending" would likely appease most people. I like this idea and hope they go with it.
Andromeda 2 could, potentially, even be a huge success. But it wouldn't be an easy success. Right now, Bioware needs to get people back on board. That scenario? That would get people on board. It would get people hyped and excited, but most importantly hopeful. Oh I don't disagree. I think that going with bringing shepard back to mass effect as the main character would be the safe bet and I think they should go with it
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Post by themikefest on Apr 5, 2019 21:30:35 GMT
Andromeda 2 could, potentially, even be a huge success. But it wouldn't be an easy success. Right now, Bioware needs to get people back on board. That scenario? That would get people on board. It would get people hyped and excited, but most importantly hopeful. Oh I don't disagree. I think that going with bringing shepard back to mass effect as the main character would be the safe bet and I think they should go with it If they do choose to do that, releasing a remastered trilogy wouldn't hurt. Doing that would likely have a lot of new players getting the trilogy. Just as they finish playing the trilogy, ME4 is released.
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Post by 10k on Apr 5, 2019 21:45:14 GMT
Oh hell yeah I'm on board with bringing shepard back. At the very least BW should do a remaster. But if frostbite is apart of either one of these ideas, I'd rather BW just go for an Andromeda 2. I don't want my Shepard looking like a sims character
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 22:38:30 GMT
Oh I don't disagree. I think that going with bringing shepard back to mass effect as the main character would be the safe bet and I think they should go with it If they do choose to do that, releasing a remastered trilogy wouldn't hurt. Doing that would likely have a lot of new players getting the trilogy. Just as they finish playing the trilogy, ME4 is released. Ain't that the dream? I could get through ME3 and leave crippling depression behind, for once.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 22:39:26 GMT
Oh hell yeah I'm on board with bringing shepard back. At the very least BW should do a remaster. But if frostbite is apart of either one of these ideas, I'd rather BW just go for an Andromeda 2. I don't want my Shepard looking like a sims character The remake would probably be outsourced to another studio, while Bioware worked on ME4.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 5, 2019 23:00:32 GMT
If they do choose to do that, releasing a remastered trilogy wouldn't hurt. Doing that would likely have a lot of new players getting the trilogy. Just as they finish playing the trilogy, ME4 is released. Ain't that the dream? I could get through ME3 for once and leave crippling depression behind, for once. I am still pissed about the ending and it's been years since that game came out. I finally came to terms with the high ems destroy ending where shepard lives and can play the trilogy again. That said I will never forget that feeling when I beat ME3 that first time then went online to see if I screwed up only to find out they were all like that. I had only gotten six hours of sleep the previous two days so I was...less then thrilled at the ending. The game had put me through the ringer with grunt almost dying,miranda,thane,and legion dying then anderson and finally I get to see it end all those hundreds maybe even thousands of hours playing mass effect...then I talk to star kid.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 5, 2019 23:01:56 GMT
If they do choose to do that, releasing a remastered trilogy wouldn't hurt. Doing that would likely have a lot of new players getting the trilogy. Just as they finish playing the trilogy, ME4 is released. Ain't that the dream? I could get through ME3 and leave crippling depression behind, for once. If it got a new ME3 ending I would buy it. But it needs to come with all the dlc because that would be ALOT of money otherwise.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 23:13:36 GMT
If it got a new ME3 ending I would buy it. But it needs to come with all the dlc because that would be ALOT of money otherwise. You know, not that I wouldn't like it but are you seriously expecting EA to sell you DLC ... FOR FREE? They're gonna Modern Warfare the shit out of it. Remember when Activision remastered Modern Warfare and sold it for, what was it? $40? Or was it full price? I don't remember. Then, on top of that, started reselling the old DLC as new DLC for the remaster, instead of including it in the base game, at the the same original price. Activision makes the IRS look like amateurs.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2019 23:17:35 GMT
Now, it's not easy to get the good Destroy ending. On release, unless you played MP, it was nearly impossible. Even if you had done everything right, everyone that could survive, did so etc. So, the only way to continue would be through a perfect playthrough, which mean the best possible outcomes, even curing the Genophage, everyone that could survive the Suicide Mission and ME3 after that did. You create a filter. It doesn't invalidate other choices. It doesn't make them non-canon. It just shows you what happens, if Shepard survives the ending. If you did any of the other endings, sorry, all conflict is ended, forever. You did good, son. You did good. But if not? Well, then there's still work to do. Maybe a certain former Cerberus operative tracks down the installation where EDI was built? And EDI has to grow from the start, by interacting with the crew again and learning about organics all over again. The Quarians "rebooted" the geth to their pre-Reaper code state? Still helpful allies for the Quarians to rebuild and grow out of their suits? Just things you could explore.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2019 23:21:44 GMT
If it got a new ME3 ending I would buy it. But it needs to come with all the dlc because that would be ALOT of money otherwise. You know, not that I wouldn't like it but are you seriously expecting EA to sell you DLC ... FOR FREE? They're gonna Modern Warfare the shit out of it. Remember when Activision remastered Modern Warfare and sold it for, what was it? $40? Or was it full price? I don't remember. Then, on top of that, started reselling the old DLC as new DLC for the remaster, instead of including it in the base game, at the the same original price. Activision makes the IRS look like amateurs. On the other hand, all the expansions for games like Battlefront 2 have been free. Since the games would be a remaster, I could see them having the DLC either be free or just part of the purchase like they do for GotY Editions.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 23:21:50 GMT
Now, it's not easy to get the good Destroy ending. On release, unless you played MP, it was nearly impossible. Even if you had done everything right, everyone that could survive, did so etc. So, the only way to continue would be through a perfect playthrough, which mean the best possible outcomes, even curing the Genophage, everyone that could survive the Suicide Mission and ME3 after that did. You create a filter. It doesn't invalidate other choices. It doesn't make them non-canon. It just shows you what happens, if Shepard survives the ending. If you did any of the other endings, sorry, all conflict is ended, forever. You did good, son. You did good. But if not? Well, then there's still work to do. Maybe a certain former Cerberus operative tracks down the installation where EDI was built? And EDI has to grow from the start, by interacting with the crew again and learning about organics all over again. The Quarians "rebooted" the geth to their pre-Reaper code state? Still helpful allies for the Quarians to rebuild and grow out of their suits? Just things you could explore. But wai?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 23:24:05 GMT
On the other hand, all the expansions for games like Battlefront 2 have been free. Since the games would be a remaster, I could see them having the DLC either be free or just part of the purchase like they do for GotY Editions. But how are they going to get those sweet DLC $$ from you? EA's not a charity foundation. But I'd love that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2019 23:26:58 GMT
Many reasons. For one, making your choices non-canon does invalidate them. That’s what non-canon means. It also runs completely contradictory to one of Bioware’s main selling points: your choices matter. Also the ideas you had with EDI and the Geth don’t solve anything because EDI and the Geth are still dead, these new beings being their own thing.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2019 23:30:33 GMT
On the other hand, all the expansions for games like Battlefront 2 have been free. Since the games would be a remaster, I could see them having the DLC either be free or just part of the purchase like they do for GotY Editions. But how are they going to get those sweet DLC $$ from you? EA's not a charity foundation. But I'd love that. For the majority of the people who would buy the remastered edition, they got the money from when they bought them the first time. Just saying between GotY editions including all DLCs and EA already having games with free expansions instead of DLC the precedent is already there. Plus most of the people who would buy this bought the games and DLC before anyway so that’s how they’ll get the money for them.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 23:36:29 GMT
Many reasons. For one, making your choices non-canon does invalidate them. That’s what non-canon means. It also runs completely contradictory to one of Bioware’s main selling points: your choices matter. Also the ideas you had with EDI and the Geth don’t solve anything because EDI and the Geth are still dead, these new beings being their own thing. Who says it's canon? Making a post destroy ending story does not invalidate the other options. In fact, they are equally canon, in the way that those stories are over. As explained, in those, all conflict is resolved, either through Synthesis, or the Reapers' iron grip on peace. They're done. Congrats, you saved the Milky Way, forever. But Destroy didn't.
"You choices matter". Ha! I know a good one too. A priest walks into a bar. He says "Ouch!"
The point isn't to do the Geth and EDI again, 1 for 1. They will be their own thing and we can see new things grow out of them. What's wrong about that?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2019 23:50:03 GMT
Many reasons. For one, making your choices non-canon does invalidate them. That’s what non-canon means. It also runs completely contradictory to one of Bioware’s main selling points: your choices matter. Also the ideas you had with EDI and the Geth don’t solve anything because EDI and the Geth are still dead, these new beings being their own thing. Who says it's canon? Making a post destroy ending story does not invalidate the other options. In fact, they are equally canon, in the way that those stories are over. As explained, in those, all conflict is resolved, either through Synthesis, or the Reapers' iron grip on peace. They're done. Congrats, you saved the Milky Way, forever. But Destroy didn't.
"You choices matter". Ha! I know a good one too. A priest walks into a bar. He says "Ouch!"
The point isn't to do the Geth and EDI again, 1 for 1. They will be their own thing and we can see new things grow out of them. What's wrong about that?
You know that next to nobody will see it that way. Because I want Geth, not not-Geth.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 23:54:02 GMT
You know that next to nobody will see it that way. Because I want Geth, not not-Geth. I disagree. If I don't see it that way and Bioware comes out and says it that way, who is to say it isn't that way? Well, you can get like-geth. And who is to say what Geth are when we barely had enough info to understand what Geth were in the first place.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 6, 2019 0:03:47 GMT
If it got a new ME3 ending I would buy it. But it needs to come with all the dlc because that would be ALOT of money otherwise. You know, not that I wouldn't like it but are you seriously expecting EA to sell you DLC ... FOR FREE? They're gonna Modern Warfare the shit out of it. Remember when Activision remastered Modern Warfare and sold it for, what was it? $40? Or was it full price? I don't remember. Then, on top of that, started reselling the old DLC as new DLC for the remaster, instead of including it in the base game, at the the same original price. Activision makes the IRS look like amateurs. Well, then they end up selling nothing to garrusfan1. Or me. Works for me, since I don't really need anything fixed and I already bought the ME3 DLC bundle.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2019 0:06:34 GMT
You know that next to nobody will see it that way. Because I want Geth, not not-Geth. I disagree. If I don't see it that way and Bioware comes out and says it that way, who is to say it isn't that way? Well, you can get like-geth. And who is to say what Geth are when we barely had enough info to understand what Geth were in the first place.
actually if they were just geth before the reaper code then they would just be...geth before they got reaper code. They could try to build their dyson sphere thing again and there you go. So it's the same geth we have seen for what? 90% of the mass effect trilogy?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 6, 2019 0:10:45 GMT
actually if they were just geth before the reaper code then they would just be...geth before they got reaper code. They could try to build their dyson sphere thing again and there you go. So it's the same geth we have seen for what? 90% of the mass effect trilogy? The point is that they may not have any recollection of what being Geth is, right from their conception. So a new unit would arise, that would be shaped by their first interactions with the Quarians. Or each other. Or we get the robot apocalypse and this was all a bad idea.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 6, 2019 0:21:00 GMT
Now, it's not easy to get the good Destroy ending. On release, unless you played MP, it was nearly impossible. This is not correct. Without either MP or bonus points from the iOS app, before the EC getting the best Destroy ending was absolutely impossible. Simply not enough WA points available at base Readiness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 0:29:52 GMT
Now, it's not easy to get the good Destroy ending. On release, unless you played MP, it was nearly impossible. This is not correct. Without either MP or bonus points from the iOS app, before the EC getting the best Destroy ending was absolutely impossible. Simply not enough WA points available at base Readiness. This is also not correct. One could get the destroy ending even with very low EMS... just not the breath scene. Whether the player got Destroy or Control with low EMS was based on other decisions made in the game, but one or the other would be available to all players. Synthesis did not unlock until later, but it was still possible to get it before the EC. It was the breath scene and only the breath scene that could not be obtained without boosting Readiness.
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