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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 17:45:27 GMT
There is a way around the endings to Mass Effect 3 set it about 1,000 years after the events of ME3 you can have Liara has the last of the original crew to be the link she can die of old age or have her death be what sets the story in motion and write the endings more like ancient legends like Camelot or Robin Hood to the new crew. Why her? What about Grunt? He would still be around, if he survives ME3. Possibly because "original crew" means ME1 crew. Also, activating Grunt at all is optional in ME2 and he could have all been killed during the Suicide Mission. Why not Wrex?... oh, I forgot, you generally don't recruit him or you shoot him on Virmire. Why not any or all of them... if they, for some reason, go into cryo (on Ilos possibly)? . Maybe even Conrad and Jenna could go into cryo.... waiting for Conrad's sister to return from Andromeda. Once they brought cryo into the franchise, lifespan is not really an issue.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 17:47:00 GMT
Don't forget the asari can be killed by Harbinger.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 17:54:36 GMT
There is a way around the endings to Mass Effect 3 set it about 1,000 years after the events of ME3 you can have Liara has the last of the original crew to be the link she can die of old age or have her death be what sets the story in motion and write the endings more like ancient legends like Camelot or Robin Hood to the new crew. Why her? What about Grunt? He would still be around, if he survives ME3. One of my original ideas for a Post Reaper War is to have Grunt as one of the Last of the Krogan War Lords and he becomes a potential ally for the PC. Liara would have a duel roles within the game due to her pulling the same trick like her mother before her and seal a part of her off in order to preventing the Reapers fully indoctrinating her. During my story idea, she tells the player how Dr. Henry Lawson betray everyone to the Reapers and God-Emperor of the Milk Way and Shepard's sacrifice to stop the Reaper by disabling the Citadel and the Crucible during the Battle of London.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 18:02:14 GMT
Don't forget the asari can be killed by Harbinger. Yes, she can. It's very unlikely that she will though if they go with a Shepard lives destroy ending canon, now isn't it?
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 18:10:13 GMT
If Bioware chooses to have a game that takes place in the Milky Way hundreds or even a thousand years after ME3, I want no one from the trilogy to make any appearance. One of my original ideas for a Post Reaper War is to have Grunt as one of the Last of the Krogan War Lords and he becomes a potential ally for the PC. I AM KROGAN.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 18:13:03 GMT
Don't forget the asari can be killed by Harbinger. Yes, she can. It's very unlikely that she will though if they go with a Shepard lives destroy ending canon, now isn't it? If the game takes place a thousand years in the future, I wouldn't care if Shepard lives or dies. Bioware would still have to acknowledge the asari can be killed.
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Yes, she can. It's very unlikely that she will though if they go with a Shepard lives destroy ending canon, now isn't it? If the game takes place a thousand years in the future, I wouldn't care if Shepard lives or dies. Bioware would still have to acknowledge the asari can be killed. So we agree, 1000 years into the future... we're not seeing anyone from the old game since all of them, including Shepard, could be dead. The difference could be reflected in a historical footnote someplace - so & so died during (insert event that killed them here whether it's the Suicide Mission, the final Reaper battle, or something else either before or after the end of ME3). Maybe we eventually find the ruins of the SR-2... and its memorial wall as each player constructed it at the end of ME3.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 6, 2019 18:21:45 GMT
Not you, just the idea you presented. Yon the other hand, seem to think I lack "literary imagination" for not agreeing with you. And since you didn't put that term in quotes I don't have to "take it with a grain of salt" Since you didn't specify or limit your meme to the idea only, I don't have to take it with the 'grain of salt' you're now trying to apply to it. My response in this case was a reaction to my belief that you were mocking me... so I dished something right back at you. You get what you give. I don't mind people disagreeing with me... mocking me in the process, however, i do mind (and I'm justified in that). Memes are vague, intended often to trigger an emotion-based reaction and are often used to mock people (particularly older people who aren't so likely to be in on the specific "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" insider joke they often portray). So, don't be surprised at the reactions you get when you use them. I daresay I'm probably older than you. So if you get triggered by a goofy, lighthearted meme responding to your Mass Effect conspiracy theory, it's really not my problem. I've actually been a lot more polite to you than your responses have warranted.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 6, 2019 18:23:01 GMT
Yes, she can. It's very unlikely that she will though if they go with a Shepard lives destroy ending canon, now isn't it? If the game takes place a thousand years in the future, I wouldn't care if Shepard lives or dies. Bioware would still have to acknowledge the asari can be killed. If the game takes place 1000 years in the future, it really won't be much different from MEA. At least thematically.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 18:36:32 GMT
Since you didn't specify or limit your meme to the idea only, I don't have to take it with the 'grain of salt' you're now trying to apply to it. My response in this case was a reaction to my belief that you were mocking me... so I dished something right back at you. You get what you give. I don't mind people disagreeing with me... mocking me in the process, however, i do mind (and I'm justified in that). Memes are vague, intended often to trigger an emotion-based reaction and are often used to mock people (particularly older people who aren't so likely to be in on the specific "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" insider joke they often portray). So, don't be surprised at the reactions you get when you use them. I daresay I'm probably older than you. So if you get triggered by a goofy, lighthearted meme responding to your Mass Effect conspiracy theory, it's really not my problem. I've actually been a lot more polite to you than your responses have warranted. Here's what the urban dictionary has to say about the particular meme you used (emphasis added):
Here's what it has to say about the term "cliche", which you claimed I was directly calling people "idiots" by using it in the cotext of a literary criticism:
So, tell me again whose being more impoilte here? By the way, since you claim my idea is of a tin-foil hat worthy meme... why not actually make your argument as to why, in your opinion, it is so instead of just interjecting such "lighthearted" memes into the conversation instead of substance to the actual discussion? Make your argument on the topic at hand instead of focusing on arguing about me personally.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2019 18:43:05 GMT
Since you didn't specify or limit your meme to the idea only, I don't have to take it with the 'grain of salt' you're now trying to apply to it. My response in this case was a reaction to my belief that you were mocking me... so I dished something right back at you. You get what you give. I don't mind people disagreeing with me... mocking me in the process, however, i do mind (and I'm justified in that). Memes are vague, intended often to trigger an emotion-based reaction and are often used to mock people (particularly older people who aren't so likely to be in on the specific "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" insider joke they often portray). So, don't be surprised at the reactions you get when you use them. I daresay I'm probably older than you. So if you get triggered by a goofy, lighthearted meme responding to your Mass Effect conspiracy theory, it's really not my problem. I've actually been a lot more polite to you than your responses have warranted. Hardcore BioWare fanbois be like: i.gifer.com/origin/1c/1c297366dc4b860c85bebc052b9f67c4_w200.gif🤣
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Post by Iakus on Jul 6, 2019 18:47:54 GMT
I daresay I'm probably older than you. So if you get triggered by a goofy, lighthearted meme responding to your Mass Effect conspiracy theory, it's really not my problem. I've actually been a lot more polite to you than your responses have warranted. Here's what the urban dictionary has to say about the particular meme you used (emphasis added):
Here's what it has to say about the term "cliche", which you claimed I was directly calling people "idiots" by using it in the cotext of a literary criticism:
So, tell me again whose being more impoilte here? By the way, since you claim my idea is of a tin-foil hat worthy meme... why not actually make your argument as to why, in your opinion, it is so instead of just interjecting such "lighthearted" memes into the conversation instead of substance to the actual discussion? Make your argument on the topic at hand instead of focusing on arguing about me personally.
I have neither the time nor the crayons to go further into this. Blocked
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 19:04:00 GMT
Why her? What about Grunt? He would still be around, if he survives ME3. One of my original ideas for a Post Reaper War is to have Grunt as one of the Last of the Krogan War Lords and he becomes a potential ally for the PC. Liara would have a duel roles within the game due to her pulling the same trick like her mother before her and seal a part of her off in order to preventing the Reapers fully indoctrinating her. During my story idea, she tells the player how Dr. Henry Lawson betray everyone to the Reapers and God-Emperor of the Milk Way and Shepard's sacrifice to stop the Reaper by disabling the Citadel and the Crucible during the Battle of London. Interesting idea... so, in your scenario, the Crucible is simply never fired. I kind of like it.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 19:18:30 GMT
If Bioware chooses to have a game that takes place in the Milky Way hundreds or even a thousand years after ME3, I want no one from the trilogy to make any appearance. One of my original ideas for a Post Reaper War is to have Grunt as one of the Last of the Krogan War Lords and he becomes a potential ally for the PC. I AM KROGAN. Well with that idea, Having a Playable Krogan Player Character that fought in the Reaper War would be fun. Paragon Interrupts he will headbutt. and Regenade interrupt he will backfist. And yes he is the type of Krogan and happily yell, "I AM KROGAN." Yes you can with the help with Grunt and another Krogan Rebellion against the God Emperor's dictatorship of the Milk Way.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 19:33:00 GMT
Well with that idea, Having a Playable Krogan Player Character that fought in the Reaper War would be fun. Paragon Interrupts he will headbutt. and Regenade interrupt he will backfist. And yes he is the type of Krogan and happily yell, "I AM KROGAN." Yes you can with the help with Grunt and another Krogan Rebellion against the God Emperor's dictatorship of the Milk Way. Or have an alternate universe game playing as Grunt during the rebellions where Grunt leads the krogan against the other species. During the game, the player gets the opportunity to launch asteroids at homeworlds and colonies. Eventually all the other species surrender making Grunt Supreme ruler of the Milky Way.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 19:45:37 GMT
One of my original ideas for a Post Reaper War is to have Grunt as one of the Last of the Krogan War Lords and he becomes a potential ally for the PC. Liara would have a duel roles within the game due to her pulling the same trick like her mother before her and seal a part of her off in order to preventing the Reapers fully indoctrinating her. During my story idea, she tells the player how Dr. Henry Lawson betray everyone to the Reapers and God-Emperor of the Milk Way and Shepard's sacrifice to stop the Reaper by disabling the Citadel and the Crucible during the Battle of London. Interesting idea... so, in your scenario, the Crucible is simply never fired. I kind of like it. I know and I want to keep Shepard as an extremely capable N7 Marine that we all know and love. So a playable section with Shepard and see what he did to stop the Reapers and meeting the New Player Character(any species any faction) and what happen to Shepard's body(it is a high level target to make High level Reaper Husk clones) and how New villain or Henry Lawson becomes the God-Emperor of the Milk Way by the help of the Reapers and working with the Reapers again by Repairing the Citadel and Crucible over the centuries. There will be new Factions as well to fight against during the Battle of London and Other New Factions to fight against when your New Player Character re-awakens some time later. In Short, there will be no Second Coming of the Sith Empire Via ME3 Cerberus
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 6, 2019 19:47:29 GMT
There is a way around the endings to Mass Effect 3 set it about 1,000 years after the events of ME3 you can have Liara has the last of the original crew to be the link she can die of old age or have her death be what sets the story in motion and write the endings more like ancient legends like Camelot or Robin Hood to the new crew. Why her? What about Grunt? He would still be around, if he survives ME3.
True but as you say IF he survived 2 and 3 which for some people he didn't and that would mean creating another old krogan character to be the fill-in for Grunt like Wreav who was a fill-in for Wrex.
We know that Liara did survive the events of ME3 regardless of which ending you chose, if you romanced her or not, if you were paragon or a renegade, if Shepard was a female or a male, what you picked as Shepard's background and psychological profile and so on. IMHO she makes more sense in the scenario I created than Grunt.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 6, 2019 19:51:42 GMT
If the game takes place a thousand years in the future, I wouldn't care if Shepard lives or dies. Bioware would still have to acknowledge the asari can be killed. If the game takes place 1000 years in the future, it really won't be much different from MEA. At least thematically.
Bingo! That was the whole point of my setting it 1000 years in the future idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 20:01:06 GMT
Why her? What about Grunt? He would still be around, if he survives ME3.
True but as you say IF he survived 2 and 3 which for some people he didn't and that would mean creating another old krogan character to be the fill-in for Grunt like Wreav who was a fill-in for Wrex.
We know that Liara did survive the events of ME3 regardless of which ending you chose, if you romanced her or not, if you were paragon or a renegade, if Shepard was a female or a male, what you picked as Shepard's background and psychological profile and so on. IMHO she makes more sense in the scenario I created than Grunt.
As themikefest stated though, Liara can die in ME3, albeit she can only do so if she is taken as a squad mate on the final mission AND the player has, I believe, less than 1800 EMS. I agree with you, however, it makes the most sense to select her as a canon survivor than any of the others in that this is the only time during any of the three games where she can die.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 20:02:19 GMT
We know that Liara did survive the events of ME3 regardless of which ending you chose, Incorrect. If a player's ems is below 2000, and takes T'soni on the beam run, Harbinger kills her. That is something Bioware has to consider if they want to have the asari show up in a game that takes place a thousand years later. What would t'soni contribute to the game, if it takes place 1000 years later?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 20:06:52 GMT
Interesting idea... so, in your scenario, the Crucible is simply never fired. I kind of like it. I know and I want to keep Shepard as an extremely capable N7 Marine that we all know and love. So a playable section with Shepard and see what he did to stop the Reapers and meeting the New Player Character(any species any faction) and what happen to Shepard's body(it is a high level target to make High level Reaper Husk clones) and how New villain or Henry Lawson becomes the God-Emperor of the Milk Way by the help of the Reapers and working with the Reapers again by Repairing the Citadel and Crucible over the centuries. There will be new Factions as well to fight against during the Battle of London and Other New Factions to fight against when your New Player Character re-awakens some time later. In Short, there will be no Second Coming of the Sith Empire Via ME3 Cerberus Well, I probably should have been more specific. I like the idea of Shepard dying instead while preventing the crucible from firing; but probably wouldn't want to introduce a playable section regarding it to a sequel game set 1000 or so years later. Cinematic flashback as someone relates a legend to us, sure. (As a note - I wasn't a fan at all of the sections of TW3 where we played as Ciri and this would fall into the same sort of thing AFAICS).
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 6, 2019 20:09:55 GMT
Why her? What about Grunt? He would still be around, if he survives ME3. Possibly because "original crew" means ME1 crew. Also, activating Grunt at all is optional in ME2 and he could have all been killed during the Suicide Mission. Why not Wrex?... oh, I forgot, you generally don't recruit him or you shoot him on Virmire. Why not any or all of them... if they, for some reason, go into cryo (on Ilos possibly)? . Maybe even Conrad and Jenna could go into cryo.... waiting for Conrad's sister to return from Andromeda. Once they brought cryo into the franchise, lifespan is not really an issue.
And don't forget cloning.
You could put Shepard in MEA2 and just say it's another clone of Shepard created by Cerberus originally for spare parts, that when TIM decided she wasn't needed he sent her to Andromeda to "protect" humanity and the most extreme Cerberus agents that TIM wanted out of his way because he knew they would never go along with his plan in ME2 and ME3 (like those mad scientists who running their own version of indoctrination/mind control that Ryder runs into on Kardara) and he built a Cerberus Ark just for these extremists along with sleeper agents on the Nexus and the other arks and now you have a new and really evil Cerberus faction that is more like the violent KKK/Neo Nazis/White Nationalists than whatever bullshit they were tried to make them in the MET and morally conflicted Shepard clone or maybe she's the real Shepard from ME1 for Pathfinder Ryder and company to fight.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 6, 2019 20:11:33 GMT
I know and I want to keep Shepard as an extremely capable N7 Marine that we all know and love. So a playable section with Shepard and see what he did to stop the Reapers and meeting the New Player Character(any species any faction) and what happen to Shepard's body(it is a high level target to make High level Reaper Husk clones) and how New villain or Henry Lawson becomes the God-Emperor of the Milk Way by the help of the Reapers and working with the Reapers again by Repairing the Citadel and Crucible over the centuries. There will be new Factions as well to fight against during the Battle of London and Other New Factions to fight against when your New Player Character re-awakens some time later. In Short, there will be no Second Coming of the Sith Empire Via ME3 Cerberus Well, I probably should have been more specific. I like the idea of Shepard dying instead while preventing the crucible from firing; but probably wouldn't want to introduce a playable section regarding it to a sequel game set 1000 or so years later. Cinematic flashback as someone relates a legend to us, sure. (As a note - I wasn't a fan at all of the sections of TW3 where we played as Ciri and this would fall into the same sort of thing AFAICS). Well Keep in mind that, many players would love to play as Shepard again, why not give them that in a passing a torch moment. Either way, poorly implemented flashback or playable section, fans will be pissed off.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 6, 2019 20:15:59 GMT
We know that Liara did survive the events of ME3 regardless of which ending you chose, Incorrect. If a player's ems is below 2000, and takes T'soni on the beam run, Harbinger kills her. That is something Bioware has to consider if they want to have the asari show up in a game that takes place a thousand years later. What would t'soni contribute to the game, if it takes place 1000 years later?
I have EMS that low and Liara is always in final push and I have never seen her die. Also in The Extended Cut the Normandy gets the wounded squadmates out before Harbinger fires.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 6, 2019 20:26:41 GMT
Incorrect. If a player's ems is below 2000, and takes T'soni on the beam run, Harbinger kills her. That is something Bioware has to consider if they want to have the asari show up in a game that takes place a thousand years later. What would t'soni contribute to the game, if it takes place 1000 years later?
I have EMS that low and Liara is always in final push and I have never seen her die. Also in The Extended Cut the Normandy gets the wounded squadmates out before Harbinger fires.
If ems is below 2000, the Normandy does not show up, and both squadmates are killed by Harbinger
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