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Post by witchcocktor on Jul 23, 2019 16:04:57 GMT
I've said this before but it's been like a million years, but I want as little Dorian as possible, because the chances are that they'll potentially kill him (and I don't NECESSARILY want that), do some nonsense with him that completely ruins him, or then just show absolutely no growth in character in him and make him hog too much airtime with his sassiness and flamboyance. It was manageable in DA:I, but I'm not interested for more in DA4.
also if Dorian is too focal the chances of a new important gay male character drops severely, heck, they might not even make another gay character at all lul
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Post by Camel on Jul 23, 2019 18:00:09 GMT
I remember the same poll before DA:I and Tallis(Felicia Day's character) won by a landslide as the most disliked one. David Gaider wasn't happy with the results and threatened to include her anyway.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jul 23, 2019 19:11:23 GMT
I've said this before but it's been like a million years, but I want as little Dorian as possible, because the chances are that they'll potentially kill him (and I don't NECESSARILY want that), do some nonsense with him that completely ruins him, or then just show absolutely no growth in character in him and make him hog too much airtime with his sassiness and flamboyance. It was manageable in DA:I, but I'm not interested for more in DA4. also if Dorian is too focal the chances of a new important gay male character drops severely, heck, they might not even make another gay character at all lulSorry this won´t happen. Dorian will be very likely one of major DA 4 characters. Maybe his overall screentime is more than even Solas. Also DA 4 will likely take place most of the game in Tevinter so yeah Magister and Leader of Lucerni Dorian Pavus is a no brainer for a big return.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jul 23, 2019 19:21:51 GMT
I've said this before but it's been like a million years, but I want as little Dorian as possible, because the chances are that they'll potentially kill him (and I don't NECESSARILY want that), do some nonsense with him that completely ruins him, or then just show absolutely no growth in character in him and make him hog too much airtime with his sassiness and flamboyance. It was manageable in DA:I, but I'm not interested for more in DA4. also if Dorian is too focal the chances of a new important gay male character drops severely, heck, they might not even make another gay character at all lulSorry this won´t happen. Dorian will be very likely one of major DA 4 characters. Maybe his overall screentime is more than even Solas. Also DA 4 will likely take place most of the game in Tevinter so yeah Magister and Leader of Lucerni Dorian Pavus is a no brainer for a big return.
Well it all comes down to how they handle Dorian. I'm just not interested in assassination of character (literally and not so literally), but neither stagnation of character.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 25, 2019 8:39:07 GMT
Can I say Inquisitor as a character I don't want back? As far as past companions Anders comes to mind...and that shouldn't be a problem since he's dead in a 100% of my playthroughs. Ah, murderknife...how I miss thee.
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Post by Artemis on Jul 26, 2019 2:41:17 GMT
Oof, most of them. But the ones I want to see least: Dorian. One of my least liked characters in the entire franchise. The Inquisitor. Their story was over, and I didn't enjoy DA:I at all, so I'd like to just put it out of my mind. Morrigan. Another disliked character, and one I'm tired of seeing steal the spotlight from others. Fenris. Because if they do, they'll just ignore my romance with him. Also, the Fenris I knew in DA2 wanted nothing more to do with Tevinter. He ran away from that place and started a new life in Kirkwall. This whole "Fenris goes on an angry rampage in Tevinter" headcanon that people (and some developers?) seem to have is just whack to me. Solas. I'm not dumb; I know he's going to be in it. I just love him and 1. hate that he was gated as fuck in the romance department, and 2. hate the way he became an all powerful villain when he was far more interesting and endearing as a simple 40-something elven apostate. Ruined his whole character imo.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 26, 2019 10:03:04 GMT
Dorian. One of my least liked characters in the entire franchise. Man I love Dorian...not literally, but I thought he was so snarky and funny yet had a good moral compass. The Inquisitor. Their story was over, and I didn't enjoy DA:I at all, so I'd like to just put it out of my mind. I don't want the Inquisitor back because there's no way they'll be able to satisfy people with their preferred romance. I would want Sera back as my constant companion if I'm playing the Inquisitor since we're married and all. I don't want (insert DAI romance) is off on some "important" mission...with them maybe throwing you a bone with a cameo. Nope, don't want that. Morrigan. Another disliked character, and one I'm tired of seeing steal the spotlight from others. She's pretty much a given to return since she'll take up Mythal's mantle. Fenris. Because if they do, they'll just ignore my romance with him. Well unless we're playing as Hawke that shouldn't matter. Hawke's either dead or investigating Weisshaupt.
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Post by GoldenGail3 on Jul 30, 2019 7:21:50 GMT
My Warden.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 16, 2022 19:18:27 GMT
Time for an Update aka Thread Necro Besides Leliana and too a lesser extent Alistair of course i really hope that we won´t see Cullen in any form.
It hurts to say this but no Varric please. Also i don´t know if i really want that many Netflix characters in Dreadwolf.
And Solas well it would be pretty strange if he won´t in his own game aka Dreadwolf.
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Post by necrowaif on Aug 16, 2022 20:09:00 GMT
Marius and Tessa Unless there's an option to feed them to bears. In which case, I support their inclusion 100 per cent.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2022 20:39:41 GMT
Marius and Tessa I doubt we'll get them as companions but we might see them at some point, may be in connection with a quest of some sort. They were left up in Tevinter at the end of the latest comic series, which suggests they may be involved in some way in DAD. I suppose it depends on whether Charter features at all. I'm hoping that as she was being used in the comics and Tevinter Nights as the main Inquisition contact means that it will be Harding in the game, since both were being trained by Leliana to take over her role as Spymaster, so presumably in a shared capacity. Also, Charter does seem to be the contact outside of Tevinter, operating in the countries just to the south, so unless we do go to Nevarra, she may be just mentioned by others. I really don't want Varric as a companion again but I'm okay with seeing him at some point if it makes sense in the context of the story. I think I've posted before that I really don't want to see any characters that should be in the south and for whom there doesn't seem a good reason why they should be up in Tevinter. Even Fenris was heading south with Vaea to Ferelden, although the time gap would allow for his return. I also wouldn't want to see Tallis again, even if she might have good reason to be up in Tevinter working under cover for the Qun.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 16, 2022 21:33:54 GMT
Time for an Update aka Thread Necro Besides Leliana and too a lesser extent Alistair of course i really hope that we won´t see Cullen in any form.
It hurts to say this but no Varric please.. Yeah I think it may be time for Varric especially, but probably also Leliana and Alistair and Cullen, to retire from active Dragon Age duty. They all good runs, but its time to let some other/new characters have their time now. I wouldn't have a problem with brief cameos, but their days should be over as major characters or companions/advisers/etc.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 16, 2022 23:11:42 GMT
I wouldn't have a problem with brief cameos, but their days should be over as major characters or companions/advisers/etc. Well i personal have a problem with even small cameos because this could be someone else which we haven´t seen for long time. Also my main issue would be even as a cameo we would expect that a charactermodel looks good or atleast alright. So is it worth it to create a good looking Varric charactermodel just for small cameo?
Edit: Or the old DA 2 Arishok. For some time i really thought it would be cool if we see what happened to this guy. But it is really worth it to recreate his unique charactermodel for a handful players? Also this could very easy solved by one or two lines from character XYZ (or Sten / Arishok)
Even Fenris was heading south with Vaea to Ferelden, although the time gap would allow for his return. In my opinion Fenris is an absolute must as returning character regardless of the comic. He is one of the few people who is expected to make a return because of his Tevinter background. He is like Dorian he have to show up in some form if he is still alive. By the way don´t forget that he could a slave again in some player world states.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 16, 2022 23:32:59 GMT
I wouldn't have a problem with brief cameos, but their days should be over as major characters or companions/advisers/etc. Well i personal have a problem with even small cameos because this could be someone else which haven´t seen for long time. Also my main issue would be even as a cameo we would expect that a charactermodel looks good or atleast alright. So is it worth it to create a good looking Varric charactermodel just for small cameo? Edit: Or the old DA 2 Arishok. For some time i really thought it would be cool if we see what happened to this guy. But it is really worth it to recreate his unique charactermodel for a handful players? Also this could very easy solved by one or two lines from character XYZ (or Sten / Arishok) Oh yeah I'm not saying I want to see cameos from these characters, only that if they have to be in DA4 at all it should be only a cameo and not a major role.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 16, 2022 23:55:49 GMT
... Edit: Or the old DA 2 Arishok. For some time i really thought it would be cool if we see what happened to this guy. But it is really worth it to recreate his unique charactermodel for a handful players? Also this could very easy solved by one or two lines from character XYZ (or Sten / Arishok)
Then again, I kinda would like to see a cameo from Sten and/or the old Arishok. I loved both those characters, and they haven't been used (or overused) as much as, say, Varric. I like Varric, but he's had his time in the spotlight and its time to let other characters get their turn.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 17, 2022 1:21:41 GMT
Yeah i don't want Varric to be a companion AGAIN.
Diminishing returns. I loved him in da2 and was disappointed he wasn't a romance option. Liked him okay in inquisition but it was a different dynamic with the inquisitor, and he didn't get anything new in terms of character arc, I feel like the only reason he was there was to help introduce the plotlines from da2: Exalted March that were moved to dai. If they make him a companion to the DADtagonist I'll just be thinking about how I could have gotten someone new instead.
A smaller cameo would be okay, but he could be just another person helping the effort off camera from kirkwall and that would be fine.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 17, 2022 7:17:06 GMT
By the way don´t forget that he could a slave again in some player world states.
Actually I think the comics did a reasonable job of explaining how he was no longer a slave because it is clear that Danarius is dead, which would be the case whether he was returned as a slave or not, and then Fenris went after his whole family, which would actually be far easier if he had up to date information on their whereabouts. So I didn't have a problem with that. The two main issues I had with them using him in the comic was his attitude towards Hawke and his other associates in Kirkwall, that certainly didn't reflect how things were in the majority of my world states, and the fact that in some world states he could be dead. So far as using him in the game is concerned, it could only be as a cameo role because of those differing world states and they are going to have to decide if the events in the comic were canon or not because, if they were, you think it might come up in conversation. If they do bring him back, I don't want him to exhibit entirely the same attitude towards Hawke as was in the comics but to make sure it reflected whether we were lovers, friends or enemies (because Hawke sent him back into slavery). He can be pissed with Hawke and his erstwhile companions in the latter case and justifiably so but not in the other two instances. Just have him say that Hawke understood there were things he felt he had to do in Tevinter, whilst Hawke was involved with events in the south, so it was a mutually amicable decision. That would then tie in with lover Hawke's explanation for his absence in DAI, without it sounding quite so ridiculous as it did at the time.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 17, 2022 8:29:04 GMT
I want as less cameos from DAI as possible. I can see Varric, Dorian and Solas be in DAD, but please not as companion.
For cameos i hope for DA2 characters. Then they could be worked out a little better. I didn't like anyone except Varric. But I see a lot of potential in all of them. Would be nice, because i don't see a DA2 remake coming soon.
I don't want characters which appear in all games so far like Leliana or Alistair or Cullen. 3 times is more than enough.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 17, 2022 16:31:32 GMT
I feel like the only reason he was there was to help introduce the plotlines from da2: Exalted March that were moved to dai. I don´t think that this is the only reason. Obviously his return in DAI seems like Leliana as simply fanservice but there are more things which Varric brings to the table. First i bet that Bioware couldn´t resist to flesh out more the relationship Cassandra & Varric.
Second they could explain certain things like there is Hawke, who is Corypheus (if the player hadn´t played the DA 2 Legacy DLC), where are Hawkes other companions at the moment and maybe make fun of DA 2 because Varric was the narrator aka Bioware in DA 2.
Last but not least we hadn´t seen the real Bianca. So yeah it was in hindsight a good idea that Varric was a returning companion in DAI. If Varric returns as a companion for a third time there is very likely no room for another male dwarf and dwarven rogue. So no cool dwarven male Grey Warden warrior / rogue or well Lace Harding. Actually I think the comics did a reasonable job of explaining how he was no longer a slave because it is clear that Danarius is dead, which would be the case whether he was returned as a slave or not, and then Fenris went after his whole family, which would actually be far easier if he had up to date information on their whereabouts. So I didn't have a problem with that. Are you sure about this? The comic has its unique and own worldstate. So who said Danarius couldn´t be alive if player sent Fenris with him? Also why should the choice be ignored? Fenris is still a quantum character aka optional.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 18, 2022 0:17:43 GMT
I feel like the only reason he was there was to help introduce the plotlines from da2: Exalted March that were moved to dai. I don´t think that this is the only reason. Obviously his return in DAI seems like Leliana as simply fanservice but there are more things which Varric brings to the table. First i bet that Bioware couldn´t resist to flesh out more the relationship Cassandra & Varric.
Second they could explain certain things like there is Hawke, who is Corypheus (if the player hadn´t played the DA 2 Legacy DLC), where are Hawkes other companions at the moment and maybe make fun of DA 2 because Varric was the narrator aka Bioware in DA 2. Last but not least we hadn´t seen the real Bianca. So yeah it was in hindsight a good idea that Varric was a returning companion in DAI.
Corypheus attacking with red Templars was in the Exalted March expansion. I agree they needed someone to explain Corypheus and red lyrium once they were moved to dai, and with Varrics involvement with the idol he was probably the best choice. But I'm disappointed be didn't have more of an arc in inquisition. Yeah we meet Bianca, and learn a cool thing about lyrium being able to be blighted, but Varric doesn't really change or develop as a result of this quest (or so it feels to me). If they're going to bring a companion back as a companion again I'd prefer there be something new to see with them.
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Post by cailan33 on Aug 22, 2022 23:36:50 GMT
i really don't want to see:
first place: varric second place: iron bull third place: oghren (even i kinda liked him) fourth place: my warden and my inquisitor fifth place: hawk
- fenris only if don't do him justice
which i really want to see again:
first place: sten second place: dorian third place: morrigan fourth place: bethany fifth place: cole
- isabella only if they do her justice
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Post by cailan33 on Aug 22, 2022 23:50:30 GMT
I want as less cameos from DAI as possible. I can see Varric, Dorian and Solas be in DAD, but please not as companion. For cameos i hope for DA2 characters. Then they could be worked out a little better. I didn't like anyone except Varric. But I see a lot of potential in all of them. Would be nice, because i don't see a DA2 remake coming soon. I don't want characters which appear in all games so far like Leliana or Alistair or Cullen. 3 times is more than enough. totally agree. i personally think already 2 times are mostly enough - except for morrigan cause she is (at least in my opinion) THE symbole of Dragon Age (beside dragon obviously) but thats just my humble opinion
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 23, 2022 1:42:41 GMT
I don't really want to see in da4: • leliana, • wynne, • oghren • Alistair/loghain/stroud/Hawke just say they left weisshaupt before we got there, it's easier than 4 characters that could be dead, lost in the fade, never a warden, or a pc • Alistair separately - Unless they're gonna do something interesting with his dragon blood, but it's not like they couldn't have a new character related to calenhad, some previous monarchs must have had siblings who had families, not to mention more bastards like Alistair and their descendents. Or someone descended from a different dragon blooded person entirely. None of which would have the "could be dead problem". • Aveline • Varric • Sebastian • Cassandra • Iron Bull • Sera - I'd happily see Tevinter red jennies but it's not necessary to have sera too. • Vivienne • Cullen
Definately want to see: • Sten - cause he's now the arishok • Morrigan - probable vessel for Mythal and is atleast a possible welldrinker • Dorian - cause he's a magister in Tevinter working against Solas • Solas - obviously • Lace Harding - She's a not quantum agent of the inquisition whom I'm sure we'll have to talk to at least once, and I just like her.
Not necessary but I'd kinda like to see anyway: • Zevran - if there is significant Crow content then it would be fun and jive with his epilogue slides if Zevran replaced the dead Arainai house Talon and helped defend Antiva from the Qun. Since he could die the role would be limited and have an understudy character ala stroud and wreav. • Shale - she's supposed to have gone to Tevinter, trying to become a dwarf again, exploring becoming/being a dwarf again would certainly be a new storyline for her, but regardless of her success she could have learned magical lore that is useful to us in her pursuit. Plus she's not particularly quantum by virtue of being a big rock we wouldn't be able to tell if we successfully killed or not and someone else could have freed her if we didn't. • Velanna - for an architect related cameo or to show one of our dalish companions reacting to solas/Fen'harel. I don't think it's necessary, and she's quantum, but seeing Velanna with a group of anti Solas Dalish, having filled the journal with new stories, would please me personally. • Isabela - if we go places by ship the she'd be a fun captain, plus the feliscima Armada was formed to fight qunari, as a member her smuggling people past their ships would feel appropriate. • Fenris - he's very quantum, and the comics have given them an out for not showing him, but he's one of only 2 Tevinter companions we've had and I'd be happy to see him beating up magisters.
I don't mind seeing: • Merrill - same as Velanna she could be used in a dalish response to solas, but they could use entirely new characters for this. • Anders/Justice - Anders is dead in all my playthroughs, but it would be cool to see justice either working for Solas or against him and see him returned (or help him return) to his spirit state, or finally destroy him in his demon state. I imagine that people who have alive Anders in their world state would like to see him doing well, perhaps you could finally seperate him and justice (i might finally spare him in a playthrough if i could do that in DAD). • Cole - the human/spirit quantumness seems like a pain in the arse but I can see him going to Solas • Blackwall/Bethany/Carver/Sigrun/Nathaniel - if they're wardens and alive we could see a small cameo from them but it's not really necessary • I like Josephine and she's not quantum, but unless there's going to be a diplomatic summit there's no particular reason for her to show.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2022 8:05:50 GMT
Are you sure about this? The comic has its unique and own worldstate. So who said Danarius couldn´t be alive if player sent Fenris with him? Also why should the choice be ignored? Fenris is still a quantum character aka optional. From what I've seen from You Tube, if you give Fenris back to Danarius he does seem totally demoralised by it, so you imagine that may be Danarius will have his "little wolf" under his thumb forever. Nevertheless, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that at some stage in the interim between that decision and the events in the comics, that Fenris found the will to break free once more, this time by actually killing his master. This is why I say that the comics were not ignoring that decision because it was possible to argue for how Fenris could once again be free. However, as you point out, he is still a quantum character because he could be dead in some world states, so he cannot be a companion or an essential part of the main story line but could be part of some optional sub-quest or, alternatively, he can be part of the main story but they have a placeholder character to fill in for him if he is dead, a bit like how they dealt with characters like Wrex and Legion in Mass Effect or Nathaniel in DA2, although in the latter case there was a completely different plot line for returning to the Deep Roads. The fact that Fenris could be dead was also a problem I had with the comics. The same was true of the earlier series with Alistair, which had him both alive and King. Sten was slightly less problematic as you could argue that even if we left him in the cage he could have escaped subsequently and eventually managed to track down his sword, thus allowing him to return to Par Vollen, but it was still a rather convenient ignoring of player choice. A similar thing happens in Asunder where Wynne and Shale are alive, although at least there is the explanation that Wynne's spirit could have revived her again and may be Shale was only knocked out in the fight in the Deep Roads rather than actually killed. It also doesn't allow for people who never reactivated Shale. This is why I find it hard to accept it when people say the events of the comics or books are canon. How can they be? Yet it would seem that the writers are happy to incorporate characters and outcomes from them into the plot of the games. I have less of a problem with that than when they force certain attitudes or explanations onto characters that I actually played, based off some misleading prompts when answering questions about their actions in the Keep. I've mentioned before how putting the question "Did you agree with Anders?" with a picture of the exploding Chantry made me think it was asking about that particular action, whereas I discovered subsequently that it would seem to relate to his general campaign of freedom for mages. So by thinking I was only speaking about the bombing of the Chantry, I ended up with a Hawke who seemed very much of the idea that the whole thing was misguided, whereas by saying I did support him in the Keep, I got a speech much closer to my sentiments and no actual endorsement of the bombing at all. Also, my Hawke never felt responsible for Corypheus because their family only got involved through the Wardens blackmailing their father and they genuinely thought they had killed him. It was entirely the Wardens' mess that they should have dealt with. They didn't mind helping out Stroud or whoever when they were in trouble but there is no way on earth I was going to leave them in the Fade. I was also never happy with Hawke's rather lame explanation for why Fenris was no longer with them in DAI. I was even less happy with the attitude they gave Fenris towards Hawke in the comics. To me, neither of these reflected or respected my relationship with Hawke. Which is why I've said that if they do bring Fenris back in DAD, they must do a better job of explaining their presence and the absence of Hawke alongside them than they have done previously.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 23, 2022 22:15:07 GMT
Which Bethany do you mean? First do you mean Circle Mage or Grey Warden and second which face did she had?
Also you can die at the beginning, in the deep roads and if Hawke is really the biggest monster you can tell Meredith to kill her. And then there is Carver who is a complete story.
Sorry but i find it highly unlikely that we will see Bethany or Carver ever in DA game again. But there is a good replacement if Bioware really want to use some of Hawke´s family members again. Of course i am talking about Charade Amell who always lives in all possible world states, has one fate as living Red Jenny and one unique face with a terrible haircut. You can also make an argument for Isabela. Yes that would be on paper 4 games in a row but in DAO she was a pretty minor character (basically only a trainer or sexpartner if the player choose so) and in DAI she only showed as a Multiplayer character which was a bit of a waste. I mean why couldn´t Bioware use Isabela and her already existing Frostbite charactermodel for the Trepasser DLC?
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