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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Mar 18, 2019 0:24:06 GMT
What tone do you think the next Mass Effect should be? Gritty like Mass Effect 3? Or optimistic like Andromeda? Could there be an happy medium between the two?
Do we want the next ME to be more like Star Trek or like Game of Thrones in space?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2019 0:36:09 GMT
Without question more like Star Trek than Game of Thrones.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 18, 2019 9:47:30 GMT
ME2, please. darkness and light.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 18, 2019 9:55:49 GMT
ME1 & MEA style combined thank you come again
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 18, 2019 17:58:14 GMT
ME2, please. darkness and light. this.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 18, 2019 18:54:19 GMT
Gritty would fit A Cerberus Phantom story.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 18, 2019 19:31:50 GMT
Gritty would fit A Cerberus Phantom story. Jack's story?
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Post by Phantom on Mar 18, 2019 20:08:08 GMT
Gritty would fit A Cerberus Phantom story. Jack's story? Well Darker and I am not opposed using Elements of Jack's story within this Cerberus Phantom arch. It will have potential of nightmare fuel that both Humans and Aliens will commit that would push Mass Effect into a Hard M. Keep in mind that within this Mass Effect idea, I would be drawing bulk of my ideas from ME1-ME2 eras for Cerberus while having some minor influences from ME3 like Phantoms, Engineers and Phoenix. And Instead of incompetent and ridiculous size of ME3 Cerberus, they will be smaller and effective as an organization that has a political, Military and Scientific wings. Also There will be people within the System Alliance truly believes that System Alliance are too powerful within Council Space and working with Black Talons, Batarians and Elements within Other Council Governments that agrees with them. Also there will be start of many Reaper cults long before ME3. Also The dark deep relationship between Black Talon and Reapers. Also Black Talon are much larger as an organization than Cerberus, Alliance, and Citadel Races. Bulk of the Black Talon organization will be in the unexplored 99% of the Milk Way galaxy. Also they will be mostly responsible for the Destruction of Cerberus with help of Collector and Reaper Forces. The Cerberus Phantom will rebuild Cerberus with New Leadership with the suriving leadership of Cerberus.
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Post by river82 on Mar 18, 2019 21:07:37 GMT
I would be ecstatic if they dropped the quippy, "everything is awesome" tone for the next instalment. Also I'm looking forward to seeing someone apologise for an outburst with "sorry my nose is tired from dealing with stinky people all day."
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 18, 2019 21:13:17 GMT
My favorite would be an ME1 style tone. Generally a sense of wonder and yes, positivity while exploring something unknown but not quite with the general quipiness of Andromeda. Also, I want the characters to generally feel serious and professional in what they do without overdoing it (like a lot of the outpost NPCs in Andromeda unfortunately do) and drop the over-the-top happy go lucky attitude. I certainly wouldn't want the downright depressing gloom of ME3 though. It was perfectly fine for the reaper war and the last chapter of the trilogy, when the steaks ... sorry, stakes were off the scale but for a future ME, I do want more positivity than that.
Tough balance to get right. I hope they'll take the time and care to do it this time.
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Post by kalreegar on Mar 19, 2019 11:08:42 GMT
bioware usually uses a gritty tone for external events (the blight is tainting everything. Corypheus will break the world. Demons are everywhere. The reapers will genocide the enire galaxy! The kett will destroy us. OH MY GOD THE WOLRD IS ENDING!!!!) but an happy joyful tone for the main character and it's companionS. The world is falling apart but life is full of love, jokes, laugh, friendship. There is an external tragedy looming, but intimate hope, growth, gratification.
Let's reverse this. A world with no huge threat (yes ok, we need an enemy, but should it be the embodiment of apocalypse?), and a more complex, tormented protagonist. IMO the best bioware game, regarding the tone, is still DA2.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 19, 2019 14:07:27 GMT
Well Darker and I am not opposed using Elements of Jack's story within this Cerberus Phantom arch. It will have potential of nightmare fuel that both Humans and Aliens will commit that would push Mass Effect into a Hard M. Keep in mind that within this Mass Effect idea, I would be drawing bulk of my ideas from ME1-ME2 eras for Cerberus while having some minor influences from ME3 like Phantoms, Engineers and Phoenix. And Instead of incompetent and ridiculous size of ME3 Cerberus, they will be smaller and effective as an organization that has a political, Military and Scientific wings. Also There will be people within the System Alliance truly believes that System Alliance are too powerful within Council Space and working with Black Talons, Batarians and Elements within Other Council Governments that agrees with them. Also there will be start of many Reaper cults long before ME3. Also The dark deep relationship between Black Talon and Reapers. Also Black Talon are much larger as an organization than Cerberus, Alliance, and Citadel Races. Bulk of the Black Talon organization will be in the unexplored 99% of the Milk Way galaxy. Also they will be mostly responsible for the Destruction of Cerberus with help of Collector and Reaper Forces. The Cerberus Phantom will rebuild Cerberus with New Leadership with the suriving leadership of Cerberus. This would be cool. We don't need to fight giant death ships but a story like ME2 would be good. Also ME2 had the best "feel". Though I loved ME3 until the ending
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Post by Phantom on Mar 19, 2019 17:32:56 GMT
Well Darker and I am not opposed using Elements of Jack's story within this Cerberus Phantom arch. It will have potential of nightmare fuel that both Humans and Aliens will commit that would push Mass Effect into a Hard M. Keep in mind that within this Mass Effect idea, I would be drawing bulk of my ideas from ME1-ME2 eras for Cerberus while having some minor influences from ME3 like Phantoms, Engineers and Phoenix. And Instead of incompetent and ridiculous size of ME3 Cerberus, they will be smaller and effective as an organization that has a political, Military and Scientific wings. Also There will be people within the System Alliance truly believes that System Alliance are too powerful within Council Space and working with Black Talons, Batarians and Elements within Other Council Governments that agrees with them. Also there will be start of many Reaper cults long before ME3. Also The dark deep relationship between Black Talon and Reapers. Also Black Talon are much larger as an organization than Cerberus, Alliance, and Citadel Races. Bulk of the Black Talon organization will be in the unexplored 99% of the Milk Way galaxy. Also they will be mostly responsible for the Destruction of Cerberus with help of Collector and Reaper Forces. The Cerberus Phantom will rebuild Cerberus with New Leadership with the suriving leadership of Cerberus. This would be cool. We don't need to fight giant death ships but a story like ME2 would be good. Also ME2 had the best "feel". Though I loved ME3 until the ending Well there is a lot of body horror with Black Talon. Imagine the type of people that willing become a nightmarish cyborg
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 19, 2019 17:51:07 GMT
I think ME1 is a good place to start in terms of establishing tone, with perhaps a bit of ME2 for the less reputable places we might visit. I'd like there to be a sense of optimism about actually going out into space to do stuff, even with all the threats out there. I certainly wouldn't want it to become some sort of dour mess where everything is ultra-awful because we're all too goddamn cynical to enjoy something that doesn't involve gruesome shenanigans on a neverending loop.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 13:39:14 GMT
I think ME1 is a good place to start in terms of establishing tone, with perhaps a bit of ME2 for the less reputable places we might visit. I'd like there to be a sense of optimism about actually going out into space to do stuff, even with all the threats out there. I certainly wouldn't want it to become some sort of dour mess where everything is ultra-awful because we're all too goddamn cynical to enjoy something that doesn't involve gruesome shenanigans on a neverending loop. I didn't think ME2 was that depressing except in certain places.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2019 18:09:39 GMT
I think ME1 is a good place to start in terms of establishing tone, with perhaps a bit of ME2 for the less reputable places we might visit. I'd like there to be a sense of optimism about actually going out into space to do stuff, even with all the threats out there. I certainly wouldn't want it to become some sort of dour mess where everything is ultra-awful because we're all too goddamn cynical to enjoy something that doesn't involve gruesome shenanigans on a neverending loop. I didn't think ME2 was that depressing except in certain places. Depressing isn't the word I was really going for in terms of tone. I simply mean that ME2 introduced a totally different kind of atmosphere, even on the parts of the Citadel we visited. There were seedier characters, more options to do shady or violent (i.e. fun) things because it wasn't the clean monitored environment of the Presidium.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 20, 2019 20:52:42 GMT
More Andromeda style honestly... though treading up to ME2 level of grit is acceptable. Iam beyond tired of dark and gritty beyond that level. Scifi has been smothered with that overwrought nonsense for a while and it is no longer a unique take on the genre. If I never run into another gritty sci fi story, I will not regret it.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 23:27:16 GMT
What tone do you think the next Mass Effect should be? Gritty like Mass Effect 3? Or optimistic like Andromeda? Could there be an happy medium between the two?
Do we want the next ME to be more like Star Trek or like Game of Thrones in space?
what do you mean by "game of thrones in space". Do you mean heavy in politics and such or just really dark.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 23:31:26 GMT
I didn't think ME2 was that depressing except in certain places. Depressing isn't the word I was really going for in terms of tone. I simply mean that ME2 introduced a totally different kind of atmosphere, even on the parts of the Citadel we visited. There were seedier characters, more options to do shady or violent (i.e. fun) things because it wasn't the clean monitored environment of the Presidium. ah okay I get what your saying. Personally I think all the ME games were good for what they were. ME3 had to be dark because of what it was but I cried a few times and when grunt almost dies I get misty even though I know he lives. Same with mordin and legion. And if thane is my LI it takes all I have not to bawl
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Post by Phantom on Mar 20, 2019 23:48:10 GMT
Dark is when you want into a Reaper Death Camp to an rescue mission of Several prisoners(humans and aliens alike) and seeing many of them are being processed into Reaper Husks and Indoctrinated People organizing them like cattle. Watching people getting converted into Reaper Husks in all of its glory.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 21, 2019 0:39:00 GMT
Dark is when you want into a Reaper Death Camp to an rescue mission of Several prisoners(humans and aliens alike) and seeing many of them are being processed into Reaper Husks and Indoctrinated People organizing them like cattle. Watching people getting converted into Reaper Husks in all of its glory. Dammit, this is a plot point for an ME-universe fic I'm maybe 3/4 of the way through writing. In my story, this happens around the time Shepard arrives on Earth but takes place a continent away.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 1:20:52 GMT
The characters not being absurdely stupid freaking morons like in Andromeda (ALL OF THEM) and treating everything like a joke would already be an improvement.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 21, 2019 2:03:55 GMT
Depressing isn't the word I was really going for in terms of tone. I simply mean that ME2 introduced a totally different kind of atmosphere, even on the parts of the Citadel we visited. There were seedier characters, more options to do shady or violent (i.e. fun) things because it wasn't the clean monitored environment of the Presidium. ah okay I get what your saying. Personally I think all the ME games were good for what they were. ME3 had to be dark because of what it was but I cried a few times and when grunt almost dies I get misty even though I know he lives. Same with mordin and legion. And if thane is my LI it takes all I have not to bawl Wait Mordin dies?
J/K I shoot him in the back every time I can't convince him to stop his insane flip flop.Still usually Wrex is already dead, and Eve isn't stable because I convinced him to destroy the data in ME2. So Mordin lives muhahaahah. I actually kind of like shooting him in the back with Wrex alive story wise because it spirals out pretty far, and while I stand by my decision in character it is really costly.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 21, 2019 2:10:36 GMT
The characters not being absurdely stupid freaking morons like in Andromeda (ALL OF THEM) and treating everything like a joke would already be an improvement. That is where I am at. I don't need worst of ME3 dark, but i sure as hell want more serious than MEA. Stupid auto dialogue points about shooting people in the face ha ha, or when Cora finds out her hero is more of a bad ass they she can comprehend and she pouts out of jealousy, she whines in the car about how sad she is and then wants to kill things to make her happy ha ha. Almost everything was a joke. I don't know what game to point to in the series as they all had tonal issues at points. Some kind of mid point between people getting processed into sludge and jokey everything crap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 2:27:53 GMT
ME2, please. darkness and light. In agreement for this. The destination needs to be worth the journey.
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