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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Mar 18, 2019 17:34:26 GMT
Just like Mass Effect, the second game of this franchise is what got me into it. I've went back and played Origins, and then Inquisition launched. Haven't played Awakening yet, but that's totally my fault. Or is it?
I mean, sometimes I do get a bit lost in Dragon Age's lore and when I'm comparing it to Mass Effect, the latter seems so easy to accompany and get through. Or maybe it's because I'm getting older each time and patience for some RPGs is getting shorter and shorter, lol.
Point is, I've never played through any game for a second time because it just feels... tiring. Don't get me wrong, Dragon Age is a solid game, with a great theme, but while I could run Mass Effect time and time again, after trying Inquisition for a second time, I just felt repeating the same stuff everywhere and there weren't many scenes that were "Wow!" to me on the short second run (I think I passed the prologue and got my horse, and that's pretty much it)
But, as I said, I liked the theme behind the game and also like some story's aspects and characters I remember.
I'll give the universe a second chance - if I like Origins even more than the first run, I'll try and grab a few books, I like reading books.
Any advice from you all to how approach it the right manner without getting a bit tiring or being a bit lost every now and then?
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Post by Iddy on Mar 18, 2019 18:55:51 GMT
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for. Do you want to learn about this universe or find a way to make the games fun to you again?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 20, 2019 23:02:54 GMT
I agree that, while I love both series, I do also find it easier to replay ME than the DA trilogy. DA is very dense with its lore (ie there are a lot of notes to find) in comparison to ME. In ME the codex is about the technology you use or general entries on people and places. In DA those things exist, but the majority of codex entries is a lot of stories, myths, and anecdotes and its often left up to the player to digest them and make connections to understand the "story behind the story" that they are telling you. That's not a bad thing at all to me, but it means my tendency to Read All the Things makes DA runs more involved. lol
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 1:17:40 GMT
The replayability of Inquisition is really low. But Origins has great replayability: playing a different origin and seeing how other characters react differently to your race/origin/gender is really great. Also seeing how these unique stories develop is really satisfying and give a lot of insight you missed on another origin. Like finding that a guy you saved on your first save was actually a rapist
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Post by Iddy on Mar 21, 2019 13:56:28 GMT
The replayability of Inquisition is really low. But Origins has great replayability: playing a different origin and seeing how other characters react differently to your race/origin/gender is really great. Eh, you get that in DAI too. Your race is talked about by npcs, companions, party banter, etc. People love going on about how "It Is NoT AcKnOwLeDgEd", but the Warden's origin didn't get reactions as often as they'd like to think.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 14:19:54 GMT
The replayability of Inquisition is really low. But Origins has great replayability: playing a different origin and seeing how other characters react differently to your race/origin/gender is really great. Eh, you get that in DAI too. Your race is talked about by npcs, companions, party banter, etc. People love going on about how "It Is NoT AcKnOwLeDgEd", but the Warden's origin didn't get reactions as often as they'd like to think. No, not as much in origins, no. And it really doesn't make much of a difference. I played as an elf and as a dwarf, and there is almost no difference. Some people acknowledge your race, there are very few dialogue choices based on your race, but that's it. The game stays mostly the same. In Origins, you meet again the people you met at your origin story, people treat you differently, not letting you walk into places depending on who you are. If you are a noble, the others nobles recognize you, and the fight against Arl Howe becomes much more personal. Also, you can become queen/king. If you are a mage, going back to the mage tower feels far more different, and you get more insight on Jowan If you are a city elf, you'll find out the guy you possibly saved last game was actually a rapist pig. Not to mention the city elves will treat you differently and it might have a different outcome If you are a noble dwarf, the quest in Orzammar feels totally personal, because everybody knows who you are. It's far, far different than in Inquisition. In Inquisition the best you got is a table mission. It's even funny that your DALISH CHARACTER doesn't seem to know a thing about elves, gods and the elven language.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 21, 2019 14:41:58 GMT
Eh, you get that in DAI too. Your race is talked about by npcs, companions, party banter, etc. People love going on about how "It Is NoT AcKnOwLeDgEd", but the Warden's origin didn't get reactions as often as they'd like to think. No, not as much in origins, no. And it really doesn't make much of a difference. I played as an elf and as a dwarf, and there is almost no difference. Some people acknowledge your race, there are very few dialogue choices based on your race, but that's it. The game stays mostly the same. In Origins, you meet again the people you met at your origin story, people treat you differently, not letting you walk into places depending on who you are. If you are a noble, the others nobles recognize you, and the fight against Arl Howe becomes much more personal. Also, you can become queen/king. If you are a mage, going back to the mage tower feels far more different, and you get more insight on Jowan If you are a city elf, you'll find out the guy you possibly saved last game was actually a rapist pig. Not to mention the city elves will treat you differently and it might have a different outcome If you are a noble dwarf, the quest in Orzammar feels totally personal, because everybody knows who you are. It's far, far different than in Inquisition. In Inquisition the best you got is a table mission. It's even funny that your DALISH CHARACTER doesn't seem to know a thing about elves, gods and the elven language. That's true, you don't get to meet the characters related to your Inquisitor. Because of that, the chosen origin can't affect the main story. But it still is true that the Inquisitor's origin is discussed many, many times over the course of the game. That's a flat out lie. Lavellan actually speaks elven in some instances, like during Mihris' quest or at the end of Trespasser: "Ar lath vir suledin". S/He also gets special dialogue options about each elven god when exploring the temple of Mythal.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 15:36:30 GMT
No, not as much in origins, no. And it really doesn't make much of a difference. I played as an elf and as a dwarf, and there is almost no difference. Some people acknowledge your race, there are very few dialogue choices based on your race, but that's it. The game stays mostly the same. In Origins, you meet again the people you met at your origin story, people treat you differently, not letting you walk into places depending on who you are. If you are a noble, the others nobles recognize you, and the fight against Arl Howe becomes much more personal. Also, you can become queen/king. If you are a mage, going back to the mage tower feels far more different, and you get more insight on Jowan If you are a city elf, you'll find out the guy you possibly saved last game was actually a rapist pig. Not to mention the city elves will treat you differently and it might have a different outcome If you are a noble dwarf, the quest in Orzammar feels totally personal, because everybody knows who you are. It's far, far different than in Inquisition. In Inquisition the best you got is a table mission. It's even funny that your DALISH CHARACTER doesn't seem to know a thing about elves, gods and the elven language. That's true, you don't get to meet the characters related to your Inquisitor. Because of that, the chosen origin can't affect the main story. But it still is true that the Inquisitor's origin is discussed many, many times over the course of the game. That's a flat out lie. Lavellan actually speaks elven in some instances, like during Mihris' quest or at the end of Trespasser: "Ar lath vir suledin". S/He also gets special dialogue options about each elven god when exploring the temple of Mythal. He does get some special dialogue choices, yes, but like exploring the temple of Mythal the difference is almost non-existent. He still lets Morrigan translates the texts as if he couldn't read, and even explaining to him what each god is, it felt very immersion-breaking. And no, I didn't feel the Inquisitor origin is much discussed. Like I said, at best some few lines of dialogues.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 21, 2019 16:12:08 GMT
That's true, you don't get to meet the characters related to your Inquisitor. Because of that, the chosen origin can't affect the main story. But it still is true that the Inquisitor's origin is discussed many, many times over the course of the game. That's a flat out lie. Lavellan actually speaks elven in some instances, like during Mihris' quest or at the end of Trespasser: "Ar lath vir suledin". S/He also gets special dialogue options about each elven god when exploring the temple of Mythal. He does get some special dialogue choices, yes, but like exploring the temple of Mythal the difference is almost non-existent. He still lets Morrigan translates the texts as if he couldn't read, and even explaining to him what each god is, it felt very immersion-breaking. And no, I didn't feel the Inquisitor origin is much discussed. Like I said, at best some few lines of dialogues. Morrigan adds her own opinion, but Lavellan does explain his/her clan's beliefs about each god revered in the temple. Sigh... let's go. - Speaking to Cassandra in Haven about whether you believe in the Maker. Response: "I believe in our own gods" - Talking to Cassandra in Haven about your clan - Explaining to Josephine what the Dalish life is like - Talking to Minaeve about mages in Dalish clans - Talking to Vivienne about the three mage rule - Talking to Solas' about the Dalish elves' attitude - Talking to Mihris - Npcs commenting about the Herald being an elf in Val Royeaux - Val Royeaux's cleric commenting on how the Herald can't be an elf - Can be mentioned when talking to Mother Giselle - Lissa commenting on it when you talk to her in Haven - Blackwall admitting he is surprised the Herald is an elf - Talking to the elven healer in Redcliffe about your experience among humans - The "An elf will stand for us all" option when the Inquisitor rises to leadership - Discussing elfiness with Sera - May ask a romanced Cullen if being with an elf bothers him - Dorian asking the Inquisitor if him being Tevinter will be an issue, considering their history with the elves - Acknowledged when meeting the clan from the Exalted Plains - Commented by npcs in the Winter Palace - Minus 10 points in court approval from being an elf - Asked by Florianne how much can a Dalish elf really know about worldly affairs - A letter can be found on Skyhold where a son writes to his father about how an elven leader should be accepted - The story told when playing Wicked Grace with Varric - Asking Abelas to help the modern elves - The special dialogue when meeting Mythal - OGB Kieran noticing your ancient blood - The vallaslin scene with Solas - The option to speak elven with the sentinel specters in Trespasser - Sera asking you how you feel about the clan's death - Sera asking how you feel about the truth about the elven gods - Varric's political support of clan Lavellan
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 21, 2019 16:40:41 GMT
I'll give the universe a second chance - if I like Origins even more than the first run, I'll try and grab a few books, I like reading books. Any advice from you all to how approach it the right manner without getting a bit tiring or being a bit lost every now and then? Origins is probably a good basis on which to base your investigations. Play through each origin story at least once, even if you don't then go on to complete the entire game. This gives an insight into the various cultures from a personal perspective and you may find more enjoyable than simply reading through multiple codices or books. However, there is a caveat that you may subsequently find aspects are changed in later games; a prime example being the 3 mage rule among the Dalish which absolutely did not exist in Origins and was only introduced in DA2 to explain what happens if a clan does not have a First to take over as Keeper when the current one dies. So if another clan had more than 3 mages they allowed the other one to adopt one of their extra mages, not the clan kicked out the surplus mages because they were terrified of the prospect of possession. (I harp on about this a lot). It is aspects like this that can actually make it better not to know too much lore. Anyway, if playing through the origin stories wets your appetite for more, then select a subject you are interested in and check it out on the Dragon Age Wiki. This is mostly accurate. If you enjoy reading and don't mind spending the cash, then there are the lore books World of Thedas and World of Thedas 2. The first gives information about the various nations, races and cultures throughout Thedas, the second concentrates on fleshing out some historical characters and then giving additional information on the various companions, advisors, enemies and agents that can be found in all 3 games and their DLC, plus some additional characters from the early comics and novels. Finally, there is the Core Rule Book (available as hardback or digital download), which brings together information that was originally issued with a table top version of the game around the time of Origins. Whilst it is intended for people wanting to RP a table top campaign there is a lot of lore and history in there not found in the other two books.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 21, 2019 17:34:54 GMT
He does get some special dialogue choices, yes, but like exploring the temple of Mythal the difference is almost non-existent. He still lets Morrigan translates the texts as if he couldn't read, and even explaining to him what each god is, it felt very immersion-breaking. And no, I didn't feel the Inquisitor origin is much discussed. Like I said, at best some few lines of dialogues. Morrigan adds her own opinion, but Lavellan does explain his/her clan's beliefs about each god revered in the temple. Sigh... let's go. - Speaking to Cassandra in Haven about whether you believe in the Maker. Response: "I believe in our own gods" - Talking to Cassandra in Haven about your clan - Explaining to Josephine what the Dalish life is like - Talking to Minaeve about mages in Dalish clans - Talking to Vivienne about the three mage rule - Talking to Solas' about the Dalish elves' attitude - Talking to Mihris - Npcs commenting about the Herald being an elf in Val Royeaux - Val Royeaux's cleric commenting on how the Herald can't be an elf - Can be mentioned when talking to Mother Giselle - Lissa commenting on it when you talk to her in Haven - Blackwall admitting he is surprised the Herald is an elf - Talking to the elven healer in Redcliffe about your experience among humans - The "An elf will stand for us all" option when the Inquisitor rises to leadership - Discussing elfiness with Sera - May ask a romanced Cullen if being with an elf bothers him - Dorian asking the Inquisitor if him being Tevinter will be an issue, considering their history with the elves - Acknowledged when meeting the clan from the Exalted Plains - Commented by npcs in the Winter Palace - Minus 10 points in court approval from being an elf - Asked by Florianne how much can a Dalish elf really know about worldly affairs - A letter can be found on Skyhold where a son writes to his father about how an elven leader should be accepted - The story told when playing Wicked Grace with Varric - Asking Abelas to help the modern elves - The special dialogue when meeting Mythal - OGB Kieran noticing your ancient blood - The vallaslin scene with Solas - The option to speak elven with the sentinel specters in Trespasser - Sera asking you how you feel about the clan's death - Sera asking how you feel about the truth about the elven gods - Varric's political support of clan Lavellan Also Dennet kinda reacts to you being an elf. He mentions it and you ask if it’s a problem but it turns out that’s not what he meant. Awesome list btw. I mean I kind of think you both make good points b/c I also love the fact you get to actually have people from your past, that you recognize and that recognize you, when you have an origin you played through in DAO. I very much liked having a prologue to events and revisiting that as the game went on and events had advanced. And inquisition did lack that prologue and was more tell than show when it came to your inquisitors personal life pre-conclave. But the world definitely reacts to your racial background choice in the *now*. And that was really well done I think. TLDR: Keep the reactivity and bring back the prologues.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 19:36:27 GMT
He does get some special dialogue choices, yes, but like exploring the temple of Mythal the difference is almost non-existent. He still lets Morrigan translates the texts as if he couldn't read, and even explaining to him what each god is, it felt very immersion-breaking. And no, I didn't feel the Inquisitor origin is much discussed. Like I said, at best some few lines of dialogues. Morrigan adds her own opinion, but Lavellan does explain his/her clan's beliefs about each god revered in the temple. Sigh... let's go. - Speaking to Cassandra in Haven about whether you believe in the Maker. Response: "I believe in our own gods" - Talking to Cassandra in Haven about your clan - Explaining to Josephine what the Dalish life is like - Talking to Minaeve about mages in Dalish clans - Talking to Vivienne about the three mage rule - Talking to Solas' about the Dalish elves' attitude - Talking to Mihris - Npcs commenting about the Herald being an elf in Val Royeaux - Val Royeaux's cleric commenting on how the Herald can't be an elf - Can be mentioned when talking to Mother Giselle - Lissa commenting on it when you talk to her in Haven - Blackwall admitting he is surprised the Herald is an elf - Talking to the elven healer in Redcliffe about your experience among humans - The "An elf will stand for us all" option when the Inquisitor rises to leadership - Discussing elfiness with Sera - May ask a romanced Cullen if being with an elf bothers him - Dorian asking the Inquisitor if him being Tevinter will be an issue, considering their history with the elves - Acknowledged when meeting the clan from the Exalted Plains - Commented by npcs in the Winter Palace - Minus 10 points in court approval from being an elf - Asked by Florianne how much can a Dalish elf really know about worldly affairs - A letter can be found on Skyhold where a son writes to his father about how an elven leader should be accepted - The story told when playing Wicked Grace with Varric - Asking Abelas to help the modern elves - The special dialogue when meeting Mythal - OGB Kieran noticing your ancient blood - The vallaslin scene with Solas - The option to speak elven with the sentinel specters in Trespasser - Sera asking you how you feel about the clan's death - Sera asking how you feel about the truth about the elven gods - Varric's political support of clan Lavellan Morrigan says the same things she would have said to any Inquisitor. Like I said, I played with a dwarf and it felt mostly the same. And yeah, like I said, most of these are actually just a few dialogue lines, nothing that has actual impact on the story.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 21, 2019 19:46:27 GMT
Morrigan adds her own opinion, but Lavellan does explain his/her clan's beliefs about each god revered in the temple. Sigh... let's go. - Speaking to Cassandra in Haven about whether you believe in the Maker. Response: "I believe in our own gods" - Talking to Cassandra in Haven about your clan - Explaining to Josephine what the Dalish life is like - Talking to Minaeve about mages in Dalish clans - Talking to Vivienne about the three mage rule - Talking to Solas' about the Dalish elves' attitude - Talking to Mihris - Npcs commenting about the Herald being an elf in Val Royeaux - Val Royeaux's cleric commenting on how the Herald can't be an elf - Can be mentioned when talking to Mother Giselle - Lissa commenting on it when you talk to her in Haven - Blackwall admitting he is surprised the Herald is an elf - Talking to the elven healer in Redcliffe about your experience among humans - The "An elf will stand for us all" option when the Inquisitor rises to leadership - Discussing elfiness with Sera - May ask a romanced Cullen if being with an elf bothers him - Dorian asking the Inquisitor if him being Tevinter will be an issue, considering their history with the elves - Acknowledged when meeting the clan from the Exalted Plains - Commented by npcs in the Winter Palace - Minus 10 points in court approval from being an elf - Asked by Florianne how much can a Dalish elf really know about worldly affairs - A letter can be found on Skyhold where a son writes to his father about how an elven leader should be accepted - The story told when playing Wicked Grace with Varric - Asking Abelas to help the modern elves - The special dialogue when meeting Mythal - OGB Kieran noticing your ancient blood - The vallaslin scene with Solas - The option to speak elven with the sentinel specters in Trespasser - Sera asking you how you feel about the clan's death - Sera asking how you feel about the truth about the elven gods - Varric's political support of clan Lavellan Morrigan says the same things she would have said to any Inquisitor. Like I said, I played with a dwarf and it felt mostly the same. And yeah, like I said, most of these are actually just a few dialogue lines, nothing that has actual impact on the story. Morrigan would be arrogant enough to explain the Game to an Orlesian, just to show off how knowledgeable she is. As a matter of fact, Solas gets the same treatment from her. Imagine being so afraid of admitting to be wrong that a long list is "just a few". You even avoided addressing the fact that Lavellan can explain her beliefs during WPHW, just so you can pretend that s/he was a passive listener and thus "the same as any Inquisitor".
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 20:58:43 GMT
Morrigan says the same things she would have said to any Inquisitor. Like I said, I played with a dwarf and it felt mostly the same. And yeah, like I said, most of these are actually just a few dialogue lines, nothing that has actual impact on the story. Morrigan would be arrogant enough to explain the Game to an Orlesian, just to show off how knowledgeable she is. As a matter of fact, Solas gets the same treatment from her. Imagine being so afraid of admitting to be wrong that a long list is "just a few". You even avoided addressing the fact that Lavellan can explain her beliefs during WPHW, just so you can pretend that s/he was a passive listener and thus "the same as any Inquisitor". For the size of the game, this list is indeed low, since mostly are just VERY, VERY, VERY forgettable scenes of absolutely no importance that are there just to remark your inquisitor is an elf, but don't have any impact on the story overall. Hell, even being a dalish, you still have to "gain the trust of the dalish clan", LOL. Also, you make very poor excuses just to not admit that Morrigan's dialogue doesn't change. For the size of the game, yes, that is a list with very few moments, especially when you compare to Dragon Age: Origins, which was a much shorter game, but your origin was much more discussed, developed and with ACTUAL IMPACT IN THE STORY, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING. Imagine being so afraid of being wrong that you can't admit Origins has much more replayability in matters of origin stories than Inquisition. 90% of the dialogues you're listed are there just to remind your character that he's an elf, nothing less. I can make a list probably much bigger of interactions in Origins, the difference won't be in the size, but that these interactions are actually meaningful and change a lot depending on your origin. I don't give a shit if Lavellan can "explain believes" during WPHW, I've played the game as an elf and as a dwarf, and I can AFFIRM the game stays mostly the same with almost no replayability value. Especially as a dwarf, since the game has at least some main quests that involve elves.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 21, 2019 22:13:17 GMT
Morrigan would be arrogant enough to explain the Game to an Orlesian, just to show off how knowledgeable she is. As a matter of fact, Solas gets the same treatment from her. Imagine being so afraid of admitting to be wrong that a long list is "just a few". You even avoided addressing the fact that Lavellan can explain her beliefs during WPHW, just so you can pretend that s/he was a passive listener and thus "the same as any Inquisitor". For the size of the game, this list is indeed low, since mostly are just VERY, VERY, VERY forgettable scenes of absolutely no importance that are there just to remark your inquisitor is an elf, but don't have any impact on the story overall. Hell, even being a dalish, you still have to "gain the trust of the dalish clan", LOL. Also, you make very poor excuses just to not admit that Morrigan's dialogue doesn't change. For the size of the game, yes, that is a list with very few moments, especially when you compare to Dragon Age: Origins, which was a much shorter game, but your origin was much more discussed, developed and with ACTUAL IMPACT IN THE STORY, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING. Imagine being so afraid of being wrong that you can't admit Origins has much more replayability in matters of origin stories than Inquisition. 90% of the dialogues you're listed are there just to remind your character that he's an elf, nothing less. I can make a list probably much bigger of interactions in Origins, the difference won't be in the size, but that these interactions are actually meaningful and change a lot depending on your origin. I don't give a shit if Lavellan can "explain believes" during WPHW, I've played the game as an elf and as a dwarf, and I can AFFIRM the game stays mostly the same with almost no replayability value. Especially as a dwarf, since the game has at least some main quests that involve elves. It would be pretty dumb if they literally tried to insert your race into most of the game. No matter what the plot is, there will be many situations that simply have nothing to do with race. So with that in mind, yeah, it already was a pretty long list. Yes, of course the Dalish Inquisitor has to gain their trust. You're the leader of an Andrastian organization, which makes your devotion to elven culture questionable. Hell, the smith from the clan you visit in DAO says the Warden hasn't forgotten his/her roots DESPITE spending time wirh humans. In other words, just being away from the clan *at all* already makes your Dalish peers have such doubts. "But Iddy, it doesn't impact the plot!" Big. Fucking. Deal. You're deluding yourself if you think it was any different in DAO. Regardless of your origin, everything happens the same way as soon as you arrive in Ostagar. "But the Warden knows the characters you meet! That makes it meaningful!" Yeah, well, still doesn't change how the events unfold. I'd hardly call it "affecting the plot". And I did mention examples that are meaningful in relation to Lavellan's personal experiences and thoughts. If that didn't interest *you*, that's great, but don't try to pass it off as objective fact.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2019 22:24:33 GMT
For the size of the game, this list is indeed low, since mostly are just VERY, VERY, VERY forgettable scenes of absolutely no importance that are there just to remark your inquisitor is an elf, but don't have any impact on the story overall. Hell, even being a dalish, you still have to "gain the trust of the dalish clan", LOL. Also, you make very poor excuses just to not admit that Morrigan's dialogue doesn't change. For the size of the game, yes, that is a list with very few moments, especially when you compare to Dragon Age: Origins, which was a much shorter game, but your origin was much more discussed, developed and with ACTUAL IMPACT IN THE STORY, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING. Imagine being so afraid of being wrong that you can't admit Origins has much more replayability in matters of origin stories than Inquisition. 90% of the dialogues you're listed are there just to remind your character that he's an elf, nothing less. I can make a list probably much bigger of interactions in Origins, the difference won't be in the size, but that these interactions are actually meaningful and change a lot depending on your origin. I don't give a shit if Lavellan can "explain believes" during WPHW, I've played the game as an elf and as a dwarf, and I can AFFIRM the game stays mostly the same with almost no replayability value. Especially as a dwarf, since the game has at least some main quests that involve elves. It would be pretty dumb if they literally tried to insert your race into most of the game. No matter what the plot is, there will be many moments when your background will be irrelevant to what is going on. So with that in mind, yeah, it already was a pretty long list. Yes, of course the Dalish Inquisitor has to gain their trust. You're the leader of an Andrastian organization, which makes your devotion to elven culture questionable. Hell, the smith from the clan you visit in DAO says the Warden hasn't forgotten his/her roots DESPITE spending time wirh humans. In other words, just being away from the clan *at all* already makes your Dalish peers have such doubts. "But Iddy, it doesn't impact the plot!" Big. Fucking. Deal. You're deluding yourself if you think it was any different in DAO. Regardless of your origin, everything happens the same way as soon as you arrive in Ostagar. "But the Warden knows the characters you meet! That makes it meaningful!" Yeah, well, still doesn't change how the events unfold. I'd hardly call it "affecting the plot". I did like driving a sword through Howe as a human noble but that happens regardless. I mean your Origin might change your characters perspective on certain events but that doesen't neccessarily impact the choices you have. Though some of the boons offered by Alistair are Origin specific but that is one of the only examples ( and takes place in the epilogue)
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 21, 2019 22:32:15 GMT
For the size of the game, this list is indeed low, since mostly are just VERY, VERY, VERY forgettable scenes of absolutely no importance that are there just to remark your inquisitor is an elf, but don't have any impact on the story overall. Hell, even being a dalish, you still have to "gain the trust of the dalish clan", LOL. Also, you make very poor excuses just to not admit that Morrigan's dialogue doesn't change. For the size of the game, yes, that is a list with very few moments, especially when you compare to Dragon Age: Origins, which was a much shorter game, but your origin was much more discussed, developed and with ACTUAL IMPACT IN THE STORY, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING. Imagine being so afraid of being wrong that you can't admit Origins has much more replayability in matters of origin stories than Inquisition. 90% of the dialogues you're listed are there just to remind your character that he's an elf, nothing less. I can make a list probably much bigger of interactions in Origins, the difference won't be in the size, but that these interactions are actually meaningful and change a lot depending on your origin. I don't give a shit if Lavellan can "explain believes" during WPHW, I've played the game as an elf and as a dwarf, and I can AFFIRM the game stays mostly the same with almost no replayability value. Especially as a dwarf, since the game has at least some main quests that involve elves. It would be pretty dumb if they literally tried to insert your race into most of the game. No matter what the plot is, there will be many moments when your background will be irrelevant to what is going on. So with that in mind, yeah, it already was a pretty long list. Yes, of course the Dalish Inquisitor has to gain their trust. You're the leader of an Andrastian organization, which makes your devotion to elven culture questionable. Hell, the smith from the clan you visit in DAO says the Warden hasn't forgotten his/her roots DESPITE spending time wirh humans. In other words, just being away from the clan *at all* already makes your Dalish peers have such doubts. "But Iddy, it doesn't impact the plot!" Big. Fucking. Deal. You're deluding yourself if you think it was any different in DAO. Regardless of your origin, everything happens the same way as soon as you arrive in Ostagar. "But the Warden knows the characters you meet! That makes it meaningful!" Yeah, well, still doesn't change how the events unfold. I'd hardly call it "affecting the plot". And I did mention examples that are meaningful in relation to Lavellan's personal experiences and thoughts. If that didn't interest *you*, that's great, but don't try to pass it off as objective fact. Damn, so much bullshit, but I'll try to answer. They don't have to try to insert on "most of the game", just make it actually meaningful. Like talking to Cassandra about your beliefs, or your relationship with Solas, these are the only moments I can recall that being a dalish elf actually was well developed. Most of the time are just pointless dialogues. A pretty long list of pointless dialogues. Like "people gossiping on the street" or "Blackwall being surprised the Inquisitor is an elf". BIG. FUCKING. DEAL. Haha, funny how you are always making excuses just to show how they won't change their dialogue or their attitude. Dalish Warden spends a lot of time away from his clan and they receive him very well. Just like you just invented some poor excuse to explain why Morrigan has to explain to Lavellan who the Dread Wolf is. Spoiler alert: It's just so the developers wouldn't have the work to change the dialogue (making LAVELLAN actually being the one surprised the Dread Wolf statue is there and explaining who he is), but sure, if you just want invent some poor excuse, be my guest. It was completely different. Not only in affecting the plot, but affecting your relationship to it and the characters. You get a lot more insight on characters to actually decide their fate (like the rapist pig from Denerim, Jowan, Bhelen, etc). So yes, changing your origin may change the way you relate to the story, it's a very different experience, despite the story remaining about being a Grey Warden killing darkspawn. Your warden can even become king or queen, depending completely of his/her origin. That just doesn't happen in Inquisition, except for some few meaningful dialogues (that if you're an elf. I can't remember one single important dialogue or event being a carta dwarf. I suppose being human is even more forgettable. Maybe a qunari, but IDK).
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 21, 2019 22:43:43 GMT
No, Iddy's right. The origins in Origins don't really impact how the plot actually plays out. You always have the same options on the main story's decisions, regardless of origin.
It does effect dialogue some characters say to you and maybe you learn some details you wouldn't otherwise. Or see a less rude side to people, like the hahren of Zathrian's clan if you are dalish. Having played through the origin gives you as a player a different piece of the world's lore, and that influences your mindset, yeah. But the mechanic that that impacts is just getting extra/different dialogue from npcs, just like Inquisition.
Playable prologues = good, bring them back. But don't act like Inquisition had no acknowledgment of the Inquisitor's background b/c, as that extensive list showed, it did.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2019 23:01:15 GMT
It would be pretty dumb if they literally tried to insert your race into most of the game. No matter what the plot is, there will be many moments when your background will be irrelevant to what is going on. So with that in mind, yeah, it already was a pretty long list. Yes, of course the Dalish Inquisitor has to gain their trust. You're the leader of an Andrastian organization, which makes your devotion to elven culture questionable. Hell, the smith from the clan you visit in DAO says the Warden hasn't forgotten his/her roots DESPITE spending time wirh humans. In other words, just being away from the clan *at all* already makes your Dalish peers have such doubts. "But Iddy, it doesn't impact the plot!" Big. Fucking. Deal. You're deluding yourself if you think it was any different in DAO. Regardless of your origin, everything happens the same way as soon as you arrive in Ostagar. "But the Warden knows the characters you meet! That makes it meaningful!" Yeah, well, still doesn't change how the events unfold. I'd hardly call it "affecting the plot". And I did mention examples that are meaningful in relation to Lavellan's personal experiences and thoughts. If that didn't interest *you*, that's great, but don't try to pass it off as objective fact. Damn, so much bullshit, but I'll try to answer. They don't have to try to insert on "most of the game", just make it actually meaningful. Like talking to Cassandra about your beliefs, or your relationship with Solas, these are the only moments I can recall that being a dalish elf actually was well developed. Most of the time are just pointless dialogues. A pretty long list of pointless dialogues. Like "people gossiping on the street" or "Blackwall being surprised the Inquisitor is an elf". BIG. FUCKING. DEAL. Haha, funny how you are always making excuses just to show how they won't change their dialogue or their attitude. Dalish Warden spends a lot of time away from his clan and they receive him very well. Just like you just invented some poor excuse to explain why Morrigan has to explain to Lavellan who the Dread Wolf is. Spoiler alert: It's just so the developers wouldn't have the work to change the dialogue (making LAVELLAN actually being the one surprised the Dread Wolf statue is there and explaining who he is), but sure, if you just want invent some poor excuse, be my guest. It was completely different. Not only in affecting the plot, but affecting your relationship to it and the characters. You get a lot more insight on characters to actually decide their fate (like the rapist pig from Denerim, Jowan, Bhelen, etc). So yes, changing your origin may change the way you relate to the story, it's a very different experience, despite the story remaining about being a Grey Warden killing darkspawn. Your warden can even become king or queen, depending completely of his/her origin. That just doesn't happen in Inquisition, except for some few meaningful dialogues (that if you're an elf. I can't remember one single important dialogue or event being a carta dwarf. I suppose being human is even more forgettable. Maybe a qunari, but IDK). You are aware that your Origin in Inquisition affects how WEWH plays out? I mean fine its probably 'arbritrary' and 'gimicky' but what race you play has a direct, observable effect on how the Orleasean nobility looks on you. Which since, at least for me, that quest is really hard to get the max score anyways to get the 'best ending' could easily make it where you miss out on the best ending...because of your race...which directly effects your options and the entire plot from then on.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 22, 2019 1:24:06 GMT
Damn, so much bullshit, but I'll try to answer. They don't have to try to insert on "most of the game", just make it actually meaningful. Like talking to Cassandra about your beliefs, or your relationship with Solas, these are the only moments I can recall that being a dalish elf actually was well developed. Most of the time are just pointless dialogues. A pretty long list of pointless dialogues. Like "people gossiping on the street" or "Blackwall being surprised the Inquisitor is an elf". BIG. FUCKING. DEAL. Haha, funny how you are always making excuses just to show how they won't change their dialogue or their attitude. Dalish Warden spends a lot of time away from his clan and they receive him very well. Just like you just invented some poor excuse to explain why Morrigan has to explain to Lavellan who the Dread Wolf is. Spoiler alert: It's just so the developers wouldn't have the work to change the dialogue (making LAVELLAN actually being the one surprised the Dread Wolf statue is there and explaining who he is), but sure, if you just want invent some poor excuse, be my guest. It was completely different. Not only in affecting the plot, but affecting your relationship to it and the characters. You get a lot more insight on characters to actually decide their fate (like the rapist pig from Denerim, Jowan, Bhelen, etc). So yes, changing your origin may change the way you relate to the story, it's a very different experience, despite the story remaining about being a Grey Warden killing darkspawn. Your warden can even become king or queen, depending completely of his/her origin. That just doesn't happen in Inquisition, except for some few meaningful dialogues (that if you're an elf. I can't remember one single important dialogue or event being a carta dwarf. I suppose being human is even more forgettable. Maybe a qunari, but IDK). You are aware that your Origin in Inquisition affects how WEWH plays out? I mean fine its probably 'arbritrary' and 'gimicky' but what race you play has a direct, observable effect on how the Orleasean nobility looks on you. Which since, at least for me, that quest is really hard to get the max score anyways to get the 'best ending' could easily make it where you miss out on the best ending...because of your race...which directly effects your options and the entire plot from then on. Uh, no, not really. The only real effect it has is 10 points loss if you're not human. No big deal. You don't need the noble's approval for anything other than denounce publicly the woman attempting the coup (and even that isn't needed). The only thing you need to get the "best" ending is proof against the three of them, and that's it. Easy as pie.
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Post by melbella on Mar 22, 2019 1:42:51 GMT
- The vallaslin scene with Solas - The option to speak elven with the sentinel specters in Trespasser First one is only in a romance
Second one is any Inquisitor who drank from the Well
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 22, 2019 4:28:43 GMT
- The vallaslin scene with Solas - The option to speak elven with the sentinel specters in Trespasser First one is only in a romance
Second one is any Inquisitor who drank from the Well
Actually, I'm pretty sure there's an elf-only option to try to speak with the sentinel spirits in Trespasser, in addition to the Well of Sorrows option. (Or maybe in place of it, only there for an elven Inquisitor who didn't drink? Not sure.) The attempt doesn't work and the spirits still attack you, but its an elf-specific dialogue choice. My canon is an elf that has Morrigan drink, and I remember trying to talk the spirits down using a dalish greeting and failing.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 22, 2019 17:11:08 GMT
No, Iddy's right. The origins in Origins don't really impact how the plot actually plays out. You always have the same options on the main story's decisions, regardless of origin. It does effect dialogue some characters say to you and maybe you learn some details you wouldn't otherwise. Or see a less rude side to people, like the hahren of Zathrian's clan if you are dalish. Having played through the origin gives you as a player a different piece of the world's lore, and that influences your mindset, yeah. But the mechanic that that impacts is just getting extra/different dialogue from npcs, just like Inquisition. Playable prologues = good, bring them back. But don't act like Inquisition had no acknowledgment of the Inquisitor's background b/c, as that extensive list showed, it did. I brought a lot of arguments, but you didn't answer them, you just affirmed what I just proved that was wrong. I'm not talking about having different options, I'm talking about different insights that affect your decisions and the dialogues being actually meaningful. You wouldn't help Bhelen if you were his brother and he framed you for the murder of your brother. Your decision regarding Jowan could be completely different depending on what you know about him (mage origin). Also, you being a mage would give totally another look on the magi mission. So I'm not talking about DESIGN changes, but an insight change. You don't get that in Inquisition, being a dwarf, qunari, human, elf, doesn't really matter except for pointless lines of dialogues, you don't really feel much different from any other Inquisitor. Example of meaningful relationship with origin, or even better, just a gender-change in Origins: Sten debating you why you can't fight because you're a woman. It's more deep than any talk I had about origin/race/gender in Inquisition as my female dwarf. It's not affecting the story, but it's developed in a way where it becomes actually meaningful, it's not just a line of dialogue saying "Huh, I'm surprised, the Inquisitor is a dwarf". Big deal. And yes, SOME options are origin-locked: Vaughan won't be in jail if you're a city elf, if you're city elf the people you save from the slavers will be different, you can only become king/queen if your origin is human noble, etc.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 22, 2019 17:41:47 GMT
Actually, I'm pretty sure there's an elf-only option to try to speak with the sentinel spirits in Trespasser, I think you can try speaking elven to them but they still attack you, as opposed to a non-elf who I assume wouldn't even try.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 22, 2019 17:42:32 GMT
Actually, I'm pretty sure there's an elf-only option to try to speak with the sentinel spirits in Trespasser, I think you can try speaking elven to them but they still attack you, as opposed to a non-elf who I assume wouldn't even try. Yeah, that's what I meant.
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