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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:57:15 GMT
I complained alot about the geth in ME3 since they did not have nearly enough ships for them. The geth haven't been to war in 300 years and since they are machines I would assume they would keep building stuff. So why did they not have a massive fleet to show that. They weren't with the council so they could have built unlimited dreadnoughts since they weren't limited by the treaties. They also are limited only by their resources rather then man power or political will and so on and so on. So why did they not dwarf every organic fleet in the milky way?
Now lets say they didn't do anything for that whole time. Then why would they not have built a massive fleet when the geth heretics left? The remaining geth knew the reapers would attack them and they would need as many ships as possible. Since they geth are machines they can build constantly and their ships don't need as much as the organic ships since they don't need anything for comfort or even air. They would easily get the resources and such because they have so much available to them and what amounts to unlimited labor? SO even if the heretics seperated from the geth just before they attacked eden prime they would have roughly three years from then until the reapers came to build ships. Even if the quarians destroyed half their ships they should still have had a fleet that outnumbered the organics before the reapers came.
Now this can easily mean that the geth had a big chunck of them leave when the heretics did and have them go hide so the reapers wouldn't find them and thus keeping some of their race alive in case the reapers win as well as leaving them enough resources to ensure their safety in the next cycle. So they wouldn't have reaper tech so even in the destroy ending some geth would survive. This makes sense since the geth are machine and can "power down" until the reapers pass. Thus leaving no trace of them for the reapers to find.
So what do you think about this idea?
P.S. Yes it could just be an over sight by the developers but My idea could also give them a reason for the geth to be in the milky way no matter what. I would assume the geth would be able to figure out what happened and assuming we didn't kill the geth it makes them easier to incoporate in a post reaper milky way
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 6:46:17 GMT
The geth had as many ships as the plot required them to have. Which is not a problem, since we had no baseline data on the economics of the geth nation. No race in the MW was running a full war economy in the centuries before the Reaper War, and there's no particular reason for the geth to be an exception to that.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 13:27:35 GMT
The geth had as many ships as the plot required them to have. Which is not a problem, since we had no baseline data on the economics of the geth nation. No race in the MW was running a full war economy in the centuries before the Reaper War, and there's no particular reason for the geth to be an exception to that. they don't have an economy like we do though. The geth are ironically completly equal and don't need luxuries or anything like that. So besides studying things and stuff what would they do. And when they had heard about the reapers coming they would prepare since it's logical rather then ignoring it
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 15:09:34 GMT
Weren't the geth mainly starting to build their Dyson bubble or whatever that thing was? It's been a while but as far as I remember Legion talks about it already in ME2. Then in ME3, he says that they were already stating to transfer a lot of geth programs to space stations closer to the sun. This was the first target of the quarians which is why the geth consciousness was diminished so suddenly, which is why they fell back on survival instincts and took the reaper's offer. IIRC, we can even find the remains of those space stations on the GM near Rannoch's sun in ME3. So I am guessing that's what they focused on building.
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I complained alot about the geth in ME3 since they did not have nearly enough ships for them. The geth haven't been to war in 300 years and since they are machines I would assume they would keep building stuff. So why did they not have a massive fleet to show that. They weren't with the council so they could have built unlimited dreadnoughts since they weren't limited by the treaties. They also are limited only by their resources rather then man power or political will and so on and so on. So why did they not dwarf every organic fleet in the milky way?
Now lets say they didn't do anything for that whole time. Then why would they not have built a massive fleet when the geth heretics left? The remaining geth knew the reapers would attack them and they would need as many ships as possible. Since they geth are machines they can build constantly and their ships don't need as much as the organic ships since they don't need anything for comfort or even air. They would easily get the resources and such because they have so much available to them and what amounts to unlimited labor? SO even if the heretics seperated from the geth just before they attacked eden prime they would have roughly three years from then until the reapers came to build ships. Even if the quarians destroyed half their ships they should still have had a fleet that outnumbered the organics before the reapers came.
Now this can easily mean that the geth had a big chunck of them leave when the heretics did and have them go hide so the reapers wouldn't find them and thus keeping some of their race alive in case the reapers win as well as leaving them enough resources to ensure their safety in the next cycle. So they wouldn't have reaper tech so even in the destroy ending some geth would survive. This makes sense since the geth are machine and can "power down" until the reapers pass. Thus leaving no trace of them for the reapers to find.
So what do you think about this idea?
P.S. Yes it could just be an over sight by the developers but My idea could also give them a reason for the geth to be in the milky way no matter what. I would assume the geth would be able to figure out what happened and assuming we didn't kill the geth it makes them easier to incoporate in a post reaper milky way
Building ships requires resources (metal ores, etc.). The geth couldn't trade for these resources with other species in the galaxy, so they would have had to mine them or steal them. It also requires the same sort of resources to build additional geth platforms. The geth were, according to Legion, also building a huge dyson sphere. This project was very likely more important to them than a fleet since, other than the heretics, they were not actively seeking to attack the quarians; but rather were content to just defend their position behind the Perseus Veil. It would also have been important to them because they are a species driven towards forming a collective (amassing platforms in one place, rather than separating them across multiple ships)... because they get smarter the more of them that are gathered together. The dyson sphere construction would have likely been consuming a very large portion of the resources that the geth could obtain.
All of that adds up to this: The most likely reason the geth fleet was smaller than you would have liked to believe it should have been was due to a lack of the resources required and a lack of incentive on the part of the geth to build a larger number of individual ships.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 20:04:32 GMT
I complained alot about the geth in ME3 since they did not have nearly enough ships for them. The geth haven't been to war in 300 years and since they are machines I would assume they would keep building stuff. So why did they not have a massive fleet to show that. They weren't with the council so they could have built unlimited dreadnoughts since they weren't limited by the treaties. They also are limited only by their resources rather then man power or political will and so on and so on. So why did they not dwarf every organic fleet in the milky way?
Now lets say they didn't do anything for that whole time. Then why would they not have built a massive fleet when the geth heretics left? The remaining geth knew the reapers would attack them and they would need as many ships as possible. Since they geth are machines they can build constantly and their ships don't need as much as the organic ships since they don't need anything for comfort or even air. They would easily get the resources and such because they have so much available to them and what amounts to unlimited labor? SO even if the heretics seperated from the geth just before they attacked eden prime they would have roughly three years from then until the reapers came to build ships. Even if the quarians destroyed half their ships they should still have had a fleet that outnumbered the organics before the reapers came.
Now this can easily mean that the geth had a big chunck of them leave when the heretics did and have them go hide so the reapers wouldn't find them and thus keeping some of their race alive in case the reapers win as well as leaving them enough resources to ensure their safety in the next cycle. So they wouldn't have reaper tech so even in the destroy ending some geth would survive. This makes sense since the geth are machine and can "power down" until the reapers pass. Thus leaving no trace of them for the reapers to find.
So what do you think about this idea?
P.S. Yes it could just be an over sight by the developers but My idea could also give them a reason for the geth to be in the milky way no matter what. I would assume the geth would be able to figure out what happened and assuming we didn't kill the geth it makes them easier to incoporate in a post reaper milky way
Building ships requires resources (metal ores, etc.). The geth couldn't trade for these resources with other species in the galaxy, so they would have had to mine them or steal them. It also requires the same sort of resources to build additional geth platforms. The geth were, according to Legion, also building a huge dyson sphere. This project was very likely more important to them than a fleet since, other than the heretics, they were not actively seeking to attack the quarians; but rather were content to just defend their position behind the Perseus Veil. It would also have been important to them because they are a species driven towards forming a collective (amassing platforms in one place, rather than separating them across multiple ships)... because they get smarter the more of them that are gathered together. The dyson sphere construction would have likely been consuming a very large portion of the resources that the geth could obtain.
All of that adds up to this: The most likely reason the geth fleet was smaller than you would have liked to believe it should have been was due to a lack of the resources required and a lack of incentive on the part of the geth to build a larger number of individual ships.
Again though what about the fact that they knew the reapers were complaining for over three years? Why would they not build more ships.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 20:33:43 GMT
Note that the geth had a bigger fleet than you end up getting your hands on. The quarians blew a lot of it up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:52:08 GMT
Building ships requires resources (metal ores, etc.). The geth couldn't trade for these resources with other species in the galaxy, so they would have had to mine them or steal them. It also requires the same sort of resources to build additional geth platforms. The geth were, according to Legion, also building a huge dyson sphere. This project was very likely more important to them than a fleet since, other than the heretics, they were not actively seeking to attack the quarians; but rather were content to just defend their position behind the Perseus Veil. It would also have been important to them because they are a species driven towards forming a collective (amassing platforms in one place, rather than separating them across multiple ships)... because they get smarter the more of them that are gathered together. The dyson sphere construction would have likely been consuming a very large portion of the resources that the geth could obtain.
All of that adds up to this: The most likely reason the geth fleet was smaller than you would have liked to believe it should have been was due to a lack of the resources required and a lack of incentive on the part of the geth to build a larger number of individual ships.
Again though what about the fact that they knew the reapers were complaining for over three years? Why would they not build more ships. The coming of the Reapers to harvest organics is not really a huge threat to the geth though. Why would they concern themselves with expending a large portion of the resources needed for their dyson sphere when the Reaper threat is basically against organics and not the geth? Then you have the fact that the heretic geth actively wanted the Reapers to return. While there was a difference in "philosophy" between the heretic and true geth, it wasn't like the geth were at war with each other. The heretic geth were not sending out fleets to attack the true geth and vice versa.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 23:12:06 GMT
Again though what about the fact that they knew the reapers were complaining for over three years? Why would they not build more ships. The coming of the Reapers to harvest organics is not really a huge threat to the geth though. Why would they concern themselves with expending a large portion of the resources needed for their dyson sphere when the Reaper threat is basically against organics and not the geth? Then you have the fact that the heretic geth actively wanted the Reapers to return. While there was a difference in "philosophy" between the heretic and true geth, it wasn't like the geth were at war with each other. The heretic geth were not sending out fleets to attack the true geth and vice versa. I have a really hard time believing the geth wouldn't see the reapers as a threat. The heretics left and I would assume that the rest of the geth would realize that there should be other synthetic races around if the reapers only targeted organics every 50,000 years. So even if the heretic geth and the geth didn't go to war the regular geth would see the obvious threat and prepare for it
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 23:18:27 GMT
Note that the geth had a bigger fleet than you end up getting your hands on. The quarians blew a lot of it up. Yeah but my original idea of how they had three hundred years of doing nothing should have allowed them to build enough ships to make the quarians idiotic attack still leave a massive fleet. Remember the geth wouldn't have to build luxuries and their building only need to be strong and efficient and since they don't have to really worry about the temperature (within reason) so alot of the things we worry about in building are not a problem for them. Think how many planets they would be able to settle and take resources from since they don't need to have water or several other things organics need. So even if they built twenty ships a year they should have had a fleet that would dwarf all the organics fleet and have more then enough resources to build their dyson sphere.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 20, 2019 23:31:31 GMT
According to wiki, the geth have been building their megastructure for about 264 years. The long-term goal of the geth is the construction of a "megastructure", a massive mainframe capable of simultaneously housing every existent geth program, thereby maximizing their collective processing capacity. In 2185, the geth have already been in the process of constructing the megastructure for 264 years. Legion suggests the closest conceptual analogue is a Dyson sphere and, as it poignantly states "no geth will be alone when it is done." It believes that Sovereign promised the heretics a Reaper body to serve as such a megastructure. That's a lot of resources they used to continuously build their structure. During that time, they also managed to put 3 relays together to create the Kholas Array. I wonder how much resources it took for that to happen. Doing all that, they wouldn't have time to give the reapers much thought.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 20, 2019 23:38:52 GMT
According to wiki, the geth have been building their megastructure for about 264 years. The long-term goal of the geth is the construction of a "megastructure", a massive mainframe capable of simultaneously housing every existent geth program, thereby maximizing their collective processing capacity. In 2185, the geth have already been in the process of constructing the megastructure for 264 years. Legion suggests the closest conceptual analogue is a Dyson sphere and, as it poignantly states "no geth will be alone when it is done." It believes that Sovereign promised the heretics a Reaper body to serve as such a megastructure. That's a lot of resources they used to continuously build their structure. During that time, they also managed to put 3 relays together to create the Kholas Array. I wonder how much resources it took for that to happen. Doing all that, they wouldn't have time to give the reapers much thought. I didn't know they built relays. Still though I think that when they found out about the reapers they would see the threat and gear up for war. Still if the geth built just twenty ships a year and a dreadnought every twenty years they should have a fleet that would equal all the other organics fleet. And I have to believe they would prepare just in case the orgains attacked or even the quarians attacked and tried to kill them. Maybe they wouldn't have a fleet that numbered in the millions or some obscene number but twenty ships a year is reasonable and likely what they would do. But lets say they built five ships a year and a dreadnought every fifty years. They would be 1500 ships and six dreadnoughts. That's a relatively small amount of work over the period of a three hundred years..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 23:54:00 GMT
Note that the geth had a bigger fleet than you end up getting your hands on. The quarians blew a lot of it up. Yeah but my original idea of how they had three hundred years of doing nothing should have allowed them to build enough ships to make the quarians idiotic attack still leave a massive fleet. Remember the geth wouldn't have to build luxuries and their building only need to be strong and efficient and since they don't have to really worry about the temperature (within reason) so alot of the things we worry about in building are not a problem for them. Think how many planets they would be able to settle and take resources from since they don't need to have water or several other things organics need. So even if they built twenty ships a year they should have had a fleet that would dwarf all the organics fleet and have more then enough resources to build their dyson sphere. You're still in denial about the fact that the geth were not about colonizing or expanding themselves across the galaxy. They were content to stay hidden behind the Perseus Veil and work on their Dyson Sphere. The resources they would access, therefore, would be limited to that area of the galaxy.
You're also still in denial about the fact that the heretics wanted the Reapers to return and revered them as gods. Even the remaining geth did not fear the reapers the way organics would... and military build up is the product of fearing an attack by an enemy. The heretics were allowed to leave the geth of their own choice. There was no civil war created by it.
The geth fleet was as large as the geth needed it to be... and TBH, I feel you are really just complaining about it for the sake of complaining.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 21, 2019 0:07:02 GMT
The coming of the Reapers to harvest organics is not really a huge threat to the geth though. Why would they concern themselves with expending a large portion of the resources needed for their dyson sphere when the Reaper threat is basically against organics and not the geth? Then you have the fact that the heretic geth actively wanted the Reapers to return. While there was a difference in "philosophy" between the heretic and true geth, it wasn't like the geth were at war with each other. The heretic geth were not sending out fleets to attack the true geth and vice versa. I have a really hard time believing the geth wouldn't see the reapers as a threat. The heretics left and I would assume that the rest of the geth would realize that there should be other synthetic races around if the reapers only targeted organics every 50,000 years. So even if the heretic geth and the geth didn't go to war the regular geth would see the obvious threat and prepare for it There's also Legion's loyalty mission where the Heretics did in fact try to force the rest of the Geth into joining them and the Reapers. Even if they were disabled, the threat of war with the Reapers is still possible as another virus could be created to recruit them.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 21, 2019 0:40:31 GMT
I have a really hard time believing the geth wouldn't see the reapers as a threat. The heretics left and I would assume that the rest of the geth would realize that there should be other synthetic races around if the reapers only targeted organics every 50,000 years. So even if the heretic geth and the geth didn't go to war the regular geth would see the obvious threat and prepare for it There's also Legion's loyalty mission where the Heretics did in fact try to force the rest of the Geth into joining them and the Reapers. Even if they were disabled, the threat of war with the Reapers is still possible as another virus could be created to recruit them. We had the "main" vs "heretic" scenario with the geth. I do kill the heretics but there's still no reason to believe the geth won't split again.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 21, 2019 0:49:03 GMT
There's also Legion's loyalty mission where the Heretics did in fact try to force the rest of the Geth into joining them and the Reapers. Even if they were disabled, the threat of war with the Reapers is still possible as another virus could be created to recruit them. We had the "main" vs "heretic" scenario with the geth. I do kill the heretics but there's still no reason to believe the geth won't split again. Not so much the risk of the Geth turning on the rest intentionally, but more the concern that the Reapers would try another way to forcibly recruit them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 0:56:58 GMT
I have a really hard time believing the geth wouldn't see the reapers as a threat. The heretics left and I would assume that the rest of the geth would realize that there should be other synthetic races around if the reapers only targeted organics every 50,000 years. So even if the heretic geth and the geth didn't go to war the regular geth would see the obvious threat and prepare for it There's also Legion's loyalty mission where the Heretics did in fact try to force the rest of the Geth into joining them and the Reapers. Even if they were disabled, the threat of war with the Reapers is still possible as another virus could be created to recruit them. Where in that mission does it actually say that the heretics were trying to force the rest of the geth to join them? I never got that at all from that mission. The mission is about choosing whether or not the true geth force the heretics to rejoin with them by rewriting them or whether the true geth destroy the heretics outright. The true geth at that point are wanting to seek an alliance with the humans and, more specifically, Shepard because the humans and Shepard are fighting the Reapers (who have been convincing geth to join with them). There is no real indication, however, that the geth are embroiled in open war - either with each other or with the Reapers at that point since the true geth only have one such mobile platform beyond the Perseus Veil... and that platform is Legion himself.
In addition, encountering Legion and doing his LM takes place late into ME2. The OP is talking about a military buildup within the geth that he figures should have taken place over 300 years, not within the last few months before the Reapers attack at the beginning of ME3. Saren only recruited the geth in 2183, so the maximum time the geth might have had any concern over Reaper recruitment is entirely within the timeframe of the Trilogy... not over the entire duration of the Geth-Quarian conflict.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 21, 2019 1:19:09 GMT
There's also Legion's loyalty mission where the Heretics did in fact try to force the rest of the Geth into joining them and the Reapers. Even if they were disabled, the threat of war with the Reapers is still possible as another virus could be created to recruit them. Where in that mission does it actually say that the heretics were trying to force the rest of the geth to join them? I never got that at all from that mission. The mission is about choosing whether or not the true geth force the heretics to rejoin with them by rewriting them or whether the true geth destroy the heretics outright. The true geth at that point are wanting to seek an alliance with the humans and, more specifically, Shepard because the humans and Shepard are fighting the Reapers (who have been convincing geth to join with them). There is no real indication, however, that the geth are embroiled in open war - either with each other or with the Reapers at that point since the true geth only have one such mobile platform beyond the Perseus Veil... and that platform is Legion himself.
In addition, encountering Legion and doing his LM takes place late into ME2. The OP is talking about a military buildup within the geth that he figures should have taken place over 300 years, not within the last few months before the Reapers attack at the beginning of ME3. Saren only recruited the geth in 2183, so the maximum time the geth might have had any concern over Reaper recruitment is entirely within the timeframe of the Trilogy... not over the entire duration of the Geth-Quarian conflict.
"Legion has learned that the geth heretics have adapted a Reaper virus which, when uploaded, will compel the normal geth to join them in their war against organic life. This virus must be stopped" masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Legion:_A_House_DividedI'll concede I wasn't thinking about the course of over 300 years in the Quarian/Geth conflict, but there were signs of the Heretics making the first move against the rest of the Geth.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 21, 2019 1:29:45 GMT
Yeah but my original idea of how they had three hundred years of doing nothing should have allowed them to build enough ships to make the quarians idiotic attack still leave a massive fleet. Remember the geth wouldn't have to build luxuries and their building only need to be strong and efficient and since they don't have to really worry about the temperature (within reason) so alot of the things we worry about in building are not a problem for them. Think how many planets they would be able to settle and take resources from since they don't need to have water or several other things organics need. So even if they built twenty ships a year they should have had a fleet that would dwarf all the organics fleet and have more then enough resources to build their dyson sphere. You're still in denial about the fact that the geth were not about colonizing or expanding themselves across the galaxy. They were content to stay hidden behind the Perseus Veil and work on their Dyson Sphere. The resources they would access, therefore, would be limited to that area of the galaxy.
You're also still in denial about the fact that the heretics wanted the Reapers to return and revered them as gods. Even the remaining geth did not fear the reapers the way organics would... and military build up is the product of fearing an attack by an enemy. The heretics were allowed to leave the geth of their own choice. There was no civil war created by it.
The geth fleet was as large as the geth needed it to be... and TBH, I feel you are really just complaining about it for the sake of complaining.
I am not complaing just to complain. There is more then enough things in the world to complain about so I don't need to search for anything. And I am not even really complaining I am just pointing out what I see as a flaw.
Now as for them not expanding maybe your right but I think that they would still search for resources alot and at the least stockpile them. Now as for them letting the heretics leave it is just the way they are they had an argument and the heretics decided to leave. Now I don't see how the geth that didn't join the heretics wouldn't see the reapers as a threat since if they believed the reapers came and wiped out all organics then the logical question is why are there no other synthetic races like the geth. If the reapers didn't attack synthetics then there should definetly be something like the geth already and the geth would surely realize this. So they would have a threat. Thus should have started building a fleet but for some reason didn't do it. So please explain it to me. Explain why I could figure that out and yet the geth couldn't?
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Where in that mission does it actually say that the heretics were trying to force the rest of the geth to join them? I never got that at all from that mission. The mission is about choosing whether or not the true geth force the heretics to rejoin with them by rewriting them or whether the true geth destroy the heretics outright. The true geth at that point are wanting to seek an alliance with the humans and, more specifically, Shepard because the humans and Shepard are fighting the Reapers (who have been convincing geth to join with them). There is no real indication, however, that the geth are embroiled in open war - either with each other or with the Reapers at that point since the true geth only have one such mobile platform beyond the Perseus Veil... and that platform is Legion himself.
In addition, encountering Legion and doing his LM takes place late into ME2. The OP is talking about a military buildup within the geth that he figures should have taken place over 300 years, not within the last few months before the Reapers attack at the beginning of ME3. Saren only recruited the geth in 2183, so the maximum time the geth might have had any concern over Reaper recruitment is entirely within the timeframe of the Trilogy... not over the entire duration of the Geth-Quarian conflict.
"Legion has learned that the geth heretics have adapted a Reaper virus which, when uploaded, will compel the normal geth to join them in their war against organic life. This virus must be stopped" masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Legion:_A_House_DividedI'll concede I wasn't thinking about the course of over 300 years in the Quarian/Geth conflict, but there were signs of the Heretics making the first move against the rest of the Geth. Legion only discovers the virus when, as he put it, was "studying the Old Machine to protect our future." He also indicates that it was "stored on a data core provided by Sovereign" The true geth initial response to the heretics leaving their collective was to send Legion to the Old Machine to investigate... not to immediately build up a fleet to go to war with the heretic geth. I will concede upon reviewing the dialogue that Legion does indicate that it is the heretic geth who discovered the virus... but I still think that's inaccurate. The virus has been provided by the Reapers and, IMO, was likely what the Reapers used to convert the heretic geth...and converting more geth into heretic geth would just be a continuation of that process. The virus would spread from geth to geth, true... but that's a little different than the heretic geth consciously making war on their brethern.
During Legion's LM, it's obvious that the true geth collective is looking to Shepard to help them decide whether or not to actually go to war against the heretic geth and they are not throughout the course of the mission able to form a consensus on the matter. The first act of war of geth upon geth is Legion forcibly rewriting them or destroying them. Being AI, it's not a gun battle to be won with ship to ship combat. It's a viral war taking place inside the geth AI programming. The geth simply don't need a fleet of ships to wage it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 1:36:49 GMT
You're still in denial about the fact that the geth were not about colonizing or expanding themselves across the galaxy. They were content to stay hidden behind the Perseus Veil and work on their Dyson Sphere. The resources they would access, therefore, would be limited to that area of the galaxy.
You're also still in denial about the fact that the heretics wanted the Reapers to return and revered them as gods. Even the remaining geth did not fear the reapers the way organics would... and military build up is the product of fearing an attack by an enemy. The heretics were allowed to leave the geth of their own choice. There was no civil war created by it.
The geth fleet was as large as the geth needed it to be... and TBH, I feel you are really just complaining about it for the sake of complaining.
I am not complaing just to complain. There is more then enough things in the world to complain about so I don't need to search for anything. And I am not even really complaining I am just pointing out what I see as a flaw.
Now as for them not expanding maybe your right but I think that they would still search for resources alot and at the least stockpile them. Now as for them letting the heretics leave it is just the way they are they had an argument and the heretics decided to leave. Now I don't see how the geth that didn't join the heretics wouldn't see the reapers as a threat since if they believed the reapers came and wiped out all organics then the logical question is why are there no other synthetic races like the geth. If the reapers didn't attack synthetics then there should definetly be something like the geth already and the geth would surely realize this. So they would have a threat. Thus should have started building a fleet but for some reason didn't do it. So please explain it to me. Explain why I could figure that out and yet the geth couldn't?
Complaint is the word you used first... so, if you're not really complaining, maybe you don't want to put such a phrase in your thread title.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 21, 2019 1:37:26 GMT
There's also Legion's loyalty mission where the Heretics did in fact try to force the rest of the Geth into joining them and the Reapers. Even if they were disabled, the threat of war with the Reapers is still possible as another virus could be created to recruit them. Where in that mission does it actually say that the heretics were trying to force the rest of the geth to join them? I never got that at all from that mission. The mission is about choosing whether or not the true geth force the heretics to rejoin with them by rewriting them or whether the true geth destroy the heretics outright. The true geth at that point are wanting to seek an alliance with the humans and, more specifically, Shepard because the humans and Shepard are fighting the Reapers (who have been convincing geth to join with them). There is no real indication, however, that the geth are embroiled in open war - either with each other or with the Reapers at that point since the true geth only have one such mobile platform beyond the Perseus Veil... and that platform is Legion himself.
In addition, encountering Legion and doing his LM takes place late into ME2. The OP is talking about a military buildup within the geth that he figures should have taken place over 300 years, not within the last few months before the Reapers attack at the beginning of ME3. Saren only recruited the geth in 2183, so the maximum time the geth might have had any concern over Reaper recruitment is entirely within the timeframe of the Trilogy... not over the entire duration of the Geth-Quarian conflict.
Actually I said that even IF they didn't build any ships over the three hundred years since the morning war they should have been building in full force since the heretics left which is at least two and a half years since eden prime was attacked and they had probably joined saren a little before that. However two and a half years of putting all their might toward building ships should have been enough to build a massive fleet since they wouldn't need to train anyone to fly and could put literally all their resources and labor into it. So I didn't just say they built ships over the past three hundred years but that even if they didn't they should have been building them over the past two and a half years since they learned about the reapers. Again they just need to ask a simple question. If the reapers have wiped out all advanced organic life every 50,000 years then why isn't there any synthetic races around. Surely there should have been at least a few synthetic races around.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 21, 2019 1:38:59 GMT
I am not complaing just to complain. There is more then enough things in the world to complain about so I don't need to search for anything. And I am not even really complaining I am just pointing out what I see as a flaw.
Now as for them not expanding maybe your right but I think that they would still search for resources alot and at the least stockpile them. Now as for them letting the heretics leave it is just the way they are they had an argument and the heretics decided to leave. Now I don't see how the geth that didn't join the heretics wouldn't see the reapers as a threat since if they believed the reapers came and wiped out all organics then the logical question is why are there no other synthetic races like the geth. If the reapers didn't attack synthetics then there should definetly be something like the geth already and the geth would surely realize this. So they would have a threat. Thus should have started building a fleet but for some reason didn't do it. So please explain it to me. Explain why I could figure that out and yet the geth couldn't?
Complaint is the word you used first... so, if you're not really complaining, maybe you don't want to put such a phrase in your thread title. touche. Very well it was a complaint but not me being whiny but asking a question and explaining why I think this.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 21, 2019 2:29:31 GMT
We had the "main" vs "heretic" scenario with the geth. I do kill the heretics but there's still no reason to believe the geth won't split again. Not so much the risk of the Geth turning on the rest intentionally, but more the concern that the Reapers would try another way to forcibly recruit them. Which they did. See ME3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 2:37:27 GMT
Where in that mission does it actually say that the heretics were trying to force the rest of the geth to join them? I never got that at all from that mission. The mission is about choosing whether or not the true geth force the heretics to rejoin with them by rewriting them or whether the true geth destroy the heretics outright. The true geth at that point are wanting to seek an alliance with the humans and, more specifically, Shepard because the humans and Shepard are fighting the Reapers (who have been convincing geth to join with them). There is no real indication, however, that the geth are embroiled in open war - either with each other or with the Reapers at that point since the true geth only have one such mobile platform beyond the Perseus Veil... and that platform is Legion himself.
In addition, encountering Legion and doing his LM takes place late into ME2. The OP is talking about a military buildup within the geth that he figures should have taken place over 300 years, not within the last few months before the Reapers attack at the beginning of ME3. Saren only recruited the geth in 2183, so the maximum time the geth might have had any concern over Reaper recruitment is entirely within the timeframe of the Trilogy... not over the entire duration of the Geth-Quarian conflict.
Actually I said that even IF they didn't build any ships over the three hundred years since the morning war they should have been building in full force since the heretics left which is at least two and a half years since eden prime was attacked and they had probably joined saren a little before that. However two and a half years of putting all their might toward building ships should have been enough to build a massive fleet since they wouldn't need to train anyone to fly and could put literally all their resources and labor into it. So I didn't just say they built ships over the past three hundred years but that even if they didn't they should have been building them over the past two and a half years since they learned about the reapers. Again they just need to ask a simple question. If the reapers have wiped out all advanced organic life every 50,000 years then why isn't there any synthetic races around. Surely there should have been at least a few synthetic races around. Which brings me back to the other point... what need of ships do geth have to fight other geth or other AI. It's a war of viruses, not cannon.
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