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Post by dingored on Mar 19, 2019 20:09:01 GMT
The Young Ryders are not true N7’s. Yes their Dad May have been but not the Kids. This is about being a True N7. Not just some kid putting on their dad’s uniform and saying I am an N7 now.
James was the next N7 in line with Shepherds approval. So you stick to the N7 program. You also had Captain Riley she was the N7 who Shepherd help in ME3. There is a good start for the next N7’s
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Post by smilesja on Mar 19, 2019 20:10:40 GMT
Were the Ryders even acknowledged as N7s?
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Post by Phantom on Mar 19, 2019 20:18:04 GMT
well it is like Shepard with the Cerberus Ajax Armor or Cerberus Phantom Armor. With the Ryder Twins with N7 Armor and ME3 Shepard with Cerberus Armor, It is a form of Cosplay and for the player have a Faction armor for their playthru
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 19, 2019 20:21:01 GMT
N7, full of those not good enough to be a spectre
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 19, 2019 22:03:38 GMT
If it bothers you, don't wear the armor. Actually, it's only the chestpiece you need to skip.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 5:36:58 GMT
The Ryder twins never say they are N7's, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. In fact, they make it quite clear in conversations with both Bradley (only if wearing the N7 armor) and with Andraknor (Heskaarl) that they are not N7's but it was their dad who was an N7. I also never really got the impression that the OT was about being a N7... it was about being a spectre; and ultimately Ashley or Kaidan became a spectre without becoming a N7. Heck, Shepard wasn't even in the Alliance throughout ME2. Throughout ME3, there is no N7 program functioning... James received a recommendation to join the N7 program the very day earth was attacked by the Reapers, so his training with Shepard is completely unofficial. It's unknown whether Shepard's training would have been acceptable to actually make James a N7... I sort of doubt it. Had the program survived after the Reaper War (and we don't know that it did), I'm pretty sure that James would have still had to undergo the official training before being given the actual N7 rank. With Shepard preparing him, he probably would have passed the training more easily, but he still would have been required to take it... or at least would need to challenge the various tests. As it was, James was out line slapping a N7 tattoo on his body... and he admits as much to Shepard during that conversation. Captain Riley is an N7, but it is possible that she dies on Cyone if Shepard does not opt to send one of his/her squad to help her. The player can also skip the mission entirely.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 6:38:23 GMT
James received a recommendation to join the N7 program the very day earth was attacked by the Reapers, so his training with Shepard is completely unofficial. Interesting point here. N7 isn't actually a training program. Once you've successfully completed N6, you become an N7. Perhaps a commendation is required to get you to a ceremony or something. Technically, James already qualifies. From the wiki: The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in conflict zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the coveted N7 designation. N7 is the only ICT designation that may be worn on field or dress uniforms.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 8:39:13 GMT
James received a recommendation to join the N7 program the very day earth was attacked by the Reapers, so his training with Shepard is completely unofficial. Interesting point here. N7 isn't actually a training program. Once you've successfully completed N6, you become an N7. Perhaps a commendation is required to get you to a ceremony or something. Technically, James already qualifies. From the wiki: The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in conflict zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the coveted N7 designation. N7 is the only ICT designation that may be worn on field or dress uniforms. While getting his tattoo James clearly tells Shepard he intends to join the N7 progam and then he calls Shepard his "training officer." Shepard retorts that he is technically not training James. James comes back with "not officially, but what the H is in the GD war." I think, most likely, the combat experience is set up like an official test with an officer officially appointed by the program to evaluate the trainee's performance... much like Nihilus was sent to evaluate Shepard for acceptance into the spectres. I don't think the "commendation" can come from just any superior officer. Even though Shepard is a N7, he/she is also an officer with a notably sketchy record as far as the Alliance is concerned.
Also, do we actually know that James is N6 at this point? I seem to recall a discussion here about that some time ago.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 20, 2019 11:28:10 GMT
James is currently an N nothing. I can see James leaving the roster to start his N training after the reapers are destroyed.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 20, 2019 11:47:19 GMT
WTF? Andromeda op isn't alliance. It has nothing to do with N umbers.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 20, 2019 14:36:20 GMT
Wouldn't Ryder technically qualify as N7 in spirit since they've been in active combat, survived multiple alien worlds and succeeded adequately? Then again, SAM may have disqualified Ryder since the game implies Ryder's success was heavily influenced by an AI.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 14:43:13 GMT
Wouldn't Ryder technically qualify as N7 in spirit since they've been in active combat, survived multiple alien worlds and succeeded adequately? Then again, SAM may have disqualified Ryder since the game implies Ryder's success was heavily influenced by an AI. I don't think Ryder qualifies as a N7. He/she is no longer in the Alliance and N7 is an Alliance rank. If the player does the Earn Your Badge quest, the game implies that Ryder could qualify as a Heskaarl, having fought alongside the Angara resistance against the Kett and having successfully challenged the Heskaarl "exams." In game, when Ryder wears N7 armor, he/she does so either out of respect for his/her father or out of disrespect for his/her father, depending on the response Ryder gives Bradley when questioned about it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 14:55:18 GMT
Interesting point here. N7 isn't actually a training program. Once you've successfully completed N6, you become an N7. Perhaps a commendation is required to get you to a ceremony or something. Technically, James already qualifies. From the wiki: The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in conflict zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the coveted N7 designation. N7 is the only ICT designation that may be worn on field or dress uniforms. While getting his tattoo James clearly tells Shepard he intends to join the N7 progam and then he calls Shepard his "training officer." Shepard retorts that he is technically not training James. James comes back with "not officially, but what the H is in the GD war." I think, most likely, the combat experience is set up like an official test with an officer officially appointed by the program to evaluate the trainee's performance... much like Nihilus was sent to evaluate Shepard for acceptance into the spectres. I don't think the "commendation" can come from just any superior officer. Even though Shepard is a N7, he/she is also an officer with a notably sketchy record as far as the Alliance is concerned.
Also, do we actually know that James is N6 at this point? I seem to recall a discussion here about that some time ago. You could be right. Maybe he's an N5 about to embark on N6 training. After successfully completing it, he'd be an N7.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 15:01:32 GMT
While getting his tattoo James clearly tells Shepard he intends to join the N7 progam and then he calls Shepard his "training officer." Shepard retorts that he is technically not training James. James comes back with "not officially, but what the H is in the GD war." I think, most likely, the combat experience is set up like an official test with an officer officially appointed by the program to evaluate the trainee's performance... much like Nihilus was sent to evaluate Shepard for acceptance into the spectres. I don't think the "commendation" can come from just any superior officer. Even though Shepard is a N7, he/she is also an officer with a notably sketchy record as far as the Alliance is concerned.
Also, do we actually know that James is N6 at this point? I seem to recall a discussion here about that some time ago. You could be right. Maybe he's an N5 about to embark on N6 training. After successfully completing it, he'd be an N7. I think themikefest is more correct. I don't think James is currently a member of special ops, so he's a N-nothing. Although he stated he was recommended for the "N7-program," I think it's more likely that he was recommended to the "N-program"; that is, recommended to be transferred into Special Ops. What level of N he starts out at is an unknown.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 15:02:57 GMT
The Ryder twins never say they are N7's, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. In fact, they make it quite clear in conversations with both Bradley (only if wearing the N7 armor) and with Andraknor (Heskaarl) that they are not N7's but it was their dad who was an N7. I also never really got the impression that the OT was about being a N7... it was about being a spectre; and ultimately Ashley or Kaidan became a spectre without becoming a N7. Heck, Shepard wasn't even in the Alliance throughout ME2. Throughout ME3, there is no N7 program functioning... James received a recommendation to join the N7 program the very day earth was attacked by the Reapers, so his training with Shepard is completely unofficial. It's unknown whether Shepard's training would have been acceptable to actually make James a N7... I sort of doubt it. Had the program survived after the Reaper War (and we don't know that it did), I'm pretty sure that James would have still had to undergo the official training before being given the actual N7 rank. With Shepard preparing him, he probably would have passed the training more easily, but he still would have been required to take it... or at least would need to challenge the various tests. As it was, James was out line slapping a N7 tattoo on his body... and he admits as much to Shepard during that conversation. Captain Riley is an N7, but it is possible that she dies on Cyone if Shepard does not opt to send one of his/her squad to help her. The player can also skip the mission entirely.
Yea that. I actually just stumble upon the conversation with Bradley the other day and I thought it was a really nice touch.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 20, 2019 15:44:08 GMT
N7, full of those not good enough to be a spectre Anderson was. Shepard was.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 16:12:56 GMT
You could be right. Maybe he's an N5 about to embark on N6 training. After successfully completing it, he'd be an N7. I think themikefest is more correct. I don't think James is currently a member of special ops, so he's a N-nothing. Although he stated he was recommended for the "N7-program," I think it's more likely that he was recommended to the "N-program"; that is, recommended to be transferred into Special Ops. What level of N he starts out at is an unknown. If that's the case, he's really presumptuous with the "N7" tattoo. It's a long, grueling process to move from N1 to N7. It does seem like requirements got lax during the Reaper War but James had already received the commendation. This does make more sense because an N5 would never be made to stand guard duty, no matter how famous the prisoner.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 16:15:56 GMT
Wouldn't Ryder technically qualify as N7 in spirit since they've been in active combat, survived multiple alien worlds and succeeded adequately? Then again, SAM may have disqualified Ryder since the game implies Ryder's success was heavily influenced by an AI. Not even close. Hardened fight does not equal N7. Otherwise, you've got everyone and their mother as N7 in spirit. I do agree that SAM changes the game regardless.
Look at it this way, though. Alec was an N7 prior to creating SAM. Neither Scott nor Sara were in his league.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 16:22:14 GMT
N7, full of those not good enough to be a spectre Or, two entirely different organizations. One the Alliance and one the Council. I'm not sure what logic you have here. Anderson was in the N-program around the time of the First Contact War. That means the N-program has nothing to do with being a Spectre.
As for "good enough", you do realize the Council generally didn't even like the idea of humans becoming Spectres. Anderson was given an opportunity to try to be a Spectre but Saren lied to the Council specifically to prevent it from happening. It was another eighteen years before the Council even considered it and even then they weren't united on the decision - though one was basically pushed into it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 16:23:07 GMT
N7, full of those not good enough to be a spectre Anderson was. More than that, two non-N7's (A/K) were good enough to be Spectres. Clearly, N7 is unrelated to Spectre status.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 16:51:45 GMT
Well yea, the problem is not that people are not good enough, the problem are all the political strings that are attached to the job.
Also, I bet there are more humans like Vega (or probably also Ash) that could become N7s but just never wanted to be or werent in the right position to be in the special forces, thus never becoming N7 either.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 20, 2019 16:52:33 GMT
Wouldn't Ryder technically qualify as N7 in spirit since they've been in active combat, survived multiple alien worlds and succeeded adequately? Then again, SAM may have disqualified Ryder since the game implies Ryder's success was heavily influenced by an AI. Not even close. Hardened fight does not equal N7. Otherwise, you've got everyone and their mother as N7 in spirit. I do agree that SAM changes the game regardless.
Look at it this way, though. Alec was an N7 prior to creating SAM. Neither Scott nor Sara were in his league.
That Heskaarl challenge really made me wish Ryder could have been put through some N7 tests so we the player could get a better idea of just how tough it is to reach that rank. It'd be an excellent side mission jacked up to an insanity difficulty for funs and giggles.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 17:00:27 GMT
Not even close. Hardened fight does not equal N7. Otherwise, you've got everyone and their mother as N7 in spirit. I do agree that SAM changes the game regardless.
Look at it this way, though. Alec was an N7 prior to creating SAM. Neither Scott nor Sara were in his league.
That Heskaarl challenge really made me wish Ryder could have been put through some N7 tests so we the player could get a better idea of just how tough it is to reach that rank. It'd be an excellent side mission jacked up to an insanity difficulty for funs and giggles. With SAM upgrading Ryder's physiology, it would be tough to compare him to a normal human though (kinda like Shepard after he gets the Cerberus implants and all the upgrades).
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Post by opuspace on Mar 20, 2019 17:01:52 GMT
That Heskaarl challenge really made me wish Ryder could have been put through some N7 tests so we the player could get a better idea of just how tough it is to reach that rank. It'd be an excellent side mission jacked up to an insanity difficulty for funs and giggles. With SAM upgrading Ryder's physiology, it would be tough to compare him to a normal human though (kinda like Shepard after he gets the Cerberus implants and all the upgrades). Maybe SAM can tone down the enhancements? Have a class lock to prevent switching over to another set of skills to translate that?
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 17:11:24 GMT
With SAM upgrading Ryder's physiology, it would be tough to compare him to a normal human though (kinda like Shepard after he gets the Cerberus implants and all the upgrades). Maybe SAM can tone down the enhancements? Have a class lock to prevent switching over to another set of skills to translate that? I wonder how good Ryder would be without SAM. Would they even be a biotic? I guess they'd have to be since even before you get the full SAM load after the tutorial mission on Habitat 7 you can put points into biotic abilities (and I think you can also choose biotic training in the background).
But it could certainly be a fun thing for the game to just "turn SAM off" for a mission, lock you profiles and maybe triple your cooldown times for abilities and such.
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