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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 17:13:48 GMT
With SAM upgrading Ryder's physiology, it would be tough to compare him to a normal human though (kinda like Shepard after he gets the Cerberus implants and all the upgrades). Maybe SAM can tone down the enhancements? Have a class lock to prevent switching over to another set of skills to translate that? During Cora's love seen, they turn off SAM, so I would think it is absolutely possible for SAM's enhancements to be shut off during an N7-type test. It would make a good DLC, IMO; in keeping with the Armax Arena and Pinnacle Station traditions... but hopefully better. It could give fans a taste of ME3-style combat within the Andromeda setting. Ryder's biotics could be dependent on the basic implant Ellen created, without being enhanced by SAM.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 20, 2019 17:24:12 GMT
Maybe SAM can tone down the enhancements? Have a class lock to prevent switching over to another set of skills to translate that? I wonder how good Ryder would be without SAM. Would they even be a biotic? I guess they'd have to be since even before you get the full SAM load after the tutorial mission on Habitat 7 you can put points into biotic abilities (and I think you can also choose biotic training in the background).
But it could certainly be a fun thing for the game to just "turn SAM off" for a mission, lock you profiles and maybe triple your cooldown times for abilities and such. We do get a test run during Habitat 7 but it's a poor template without access to the full range of abilities. I would wonder if shield powered abilities would have an unfair advantage though if cooldowns are lengthened so perhaps it's enough to have enemies be very lethal with damage?
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Post by opuspace on Mar 20, 2019 17:25:32 GMT
Maybe SAM can tone down the enhancements? Have a class lock to prevent switching over to another set of skills to translate that? During Cora's love seen, they turn off SAM, so I would think it is absolutely possible for SAM's enhancements to be shut off during an N7-type test. It would make a good DLC, IMO. Ryder's biotics could be dependent on the basic implant Ellen created, without being enhanced by SAM. Oo, how would the biotics be affected by that? Lowered stats for all? Would shield powered abilities be given cooldowns?
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 17:27:41 GMT
The Ryder twins never say they are N7's, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. In fact, they make it quite clear in conversations with both Bradley (only if wearing the N7 armor) and with Andraknor (Heskaarl) that they are not N7's but it was their dad who was an N7. ME:A doesn't get nearly enough credit for its reactivity in conversations. In retrospect, probably not a good use of wordcount.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 17:32:43 GMT
During Cora's love seen, they turn off SAM, See? It's stuff like this right there. THat's why the Catalyst was probably right and all AI will try to kill us all eventually.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 17:38:41 GMT
Not even close. Hardened fight does not equal N7. Otherwise, you've got everyone and their mother as N7 in spirit. I do agree that SAM changes the game regardless.
Look at it this way, though. Alec was an N7 prior to creating SAM. Neither Scott nor Sara were in his league.
That Heskaarl challenge really made me wish Ryder could have been put through some N7 tests so we the player could get a better idea of just how tough it is to reach that rank. It'd be an excellent side mission jacked up to an insanity difficulty for funs and giggles. Except, once again, SAM is a factor. SAM allows Ryder to access a variety of different skills and powers not available to a non-powered individual.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 20, 2019 17:42:09 GMT
That Heskaarl challenge really made me wish Ryder could have been put through some N7 tests so we the player could get a better idea of just how tough it is to reach that rank. It'd be an excellent side mission jacked up to an insanity difficulty for funs and giggles. Except, one again, SAM is a factor. SAM allows Ryder to access a variety of different skills and powers not available to a non-powered individual. Do you think even with a class lock and ability penalties to show SAM limiting his interference would help?
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Post by Basquemercat117 on Mar 20, 2019 18:04:37 GMT
the Ryder twins are never given the title of N7. the N7 armor they where is from their father, which they do get called out for wearing because they arent true N7
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2019 18:14:01 GMT
Except, one again, SAM is a factor. SAM allows Ryder to access a variety of different skills and powers not available to a non-powered individual. Do you think even with a class lock and ability penalties to show SAM limiting his interference would help? Not sure of the point. It was an Alliance-specific designation. So, for example, why would the krogan, salarians, asari or turians care about it? They wouldn't. The AI also is less about military and more about exploration and colonization. Should they decide special ops is needed, something new could be created to fulfill the purpose. Probably something along the lines of Spectres but without them actually being Spectres.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 19:46:46 GMT
Do you think even with a class lock and ability penalties to show SAM limiting his interference would help? Not sure of the point. It was an Alliance-specific designation. So, for example, why would the krogan, salarians, asari or turians care about it? They wouldn't. The AI also is less about military and more about exploration and colonization. Should they decide special ops is needed, something new could be created to fulfill the purpose. Probably something along the lines of Spectres but without them actually being Spectres. APEX teams already exist.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 20:29:14 GMT
Yeah, but N7 is an Alliance thing, not an APEX thing. The AI might come up with a functional equivalent, but there's no particular reason to hang the "N7" label on it.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 20, 2019 20:34:02 GMT
Well, as far as I can see, APEX is the AI militial's special forces unit (or closest equivalent). So it kinda fits dmc's description, no?
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 20, 2019 22:06:02 GMT
True, but APEX doesn't have an official category for elite combatants AFAIK. Of course, it's a pretty new organization in the MEA timeframe.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 21, 2019 0:01:43 GMT
Do you think even with a class lock and ability penalties to show SAM limiting his interference would help? Not sure of the point. It was an Alliance-specific designation. So, for example, why would the krogan, salarians, asari or turians care about it? They wouldn't. The AI also is less about military and more about exploration and colonization. Should they decide special ops is needed, something new could be created to fulfill the purpose. Probably something along the lines of Spectres but without them actually being Spectres. Same reason why Ryder would participate in a Heskaarl challenge: for fun gameplaywise and to give a better sense of the culture. N7 was designed to prepare soldiers for a wide variety of encounters by stranding them on alien worlds for example. Perhaps it could have played a basis for Pathfinder training for the human branch of the Initiative? There's a lot of things that Ryder's duties involve that doesn't always make sense, like deployment of APEX teams. At some point, the special forces they develop will have some grounds from the Milky Way, so why not involve N7 tactics as well for the player?
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