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Post by saandrig on Mar 29, 2019 11:56:21 GMT
Anthem is the only game that heats up my CPU so much (constantly in the 70-75C range) even with a decent Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler. And that at like at 50-60% CPU load only. Even the GPU hits 80C, but that is more normal. Had to make custom fan curves just for Anthem. Even AC Odyssey, a notorious CPU hog, rarely brings my CPU above 70C and is comfortably in the 60ies even at the rare 90% load (8086k CPU). And the GPU is at 75C tops at 97+% load. Some serious optimizations are needed for Anthem. As far as I know for AC, people blame the DRM, apparently that thing is so fucked up it just uses massive amounts of resources even though the game doesn't actually need it. As for the latest BW games, not sure who's the culprit. Sad thing is AC games use more DRM than Anthem...or do they? I am enjoying the latest Anthem AI conspiracy too much. So let's blame it on the AI too 😁 Skynet needs resources!
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 29, 2019 13:14:08 GMT
I used the CM 212 EVO heatsink cooler for my old CPU. Now with 9600k I can run Anthem fine with an old stock Intel fan. So my own situation and impression is that the 4790 was seriously bottlenecking my system. With 32 gig ram and a 1070ti and SSDs all around it seems likely. As I understand the Clock watchdog timeout is the inability to process information in time.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 29, 2019 15:35:16 GMT
So I did some checking last night and this may be a temperature problem after all. Ran CoreTemp pretty extensively yesterday. When idling, my CPU is at about 30-35deg C. When playing Anthem for over half an hour (no crashes yesterday by the way), all cores are at about 60 to 80% load and run at about 70-75deg C. In the BIOS, I read core temperature of around 50deg C, which made me extremely worried until I read that in BIOS many mainboards tend to blast a lot of voltage at the CPU, so temp readings can be quite a bit higher than idle apparently. However, when I ran the CPU Burner of FurMark with 8 threads, so I get 100% load on all cores, the temp on the cores goes up to 90deg C or even more. Once I turn Furmark off, the CPU cools back down to ~40C in a few seconds (so I think the cooler is actually ok). So I figure, if the load in Anthem spikes to 100% some times (which apparently it does), it is possible the CPU overheats and causes the crash. I have read up quite a lot about the 4790k and it seems that it is quite notorious for getting hot under load. I probably just never had a game that used all cores 100% before, that's why the problem shows up in Anthem only. In any case, I am gonna be traveling next week but when I get back, I'll try and do a few things: - replace the thermal paste again (might be I used a little too much there last time) and reset the cooler to see if I can reduce temperatures a little - Cap the CPU speed/voltage in BIOS/Windows and see if I can reduce the max heat that way (may slow things down a littel under extreme circumstances but I seem to barely hit those anyway and it's better than overheating the CPU) - If nothing else helps, I might try to delid my CPU for better cooling but I hope it won't come to that. Thanks again for all the advice here guys. Really appreciate it. I'll report on how that went when it's all done but it may be over a week until I get around to it.
saandrig : Yea, AC:O gave me some issues with my MB actually but once those were fixed, it ran flawlessly on my system as well.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 29, 2019 21:38:27 GMT
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Good news, though. Microsoft is finally getting rid of it.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 30, 2019 13:29:57 GMT
I see, yeah 90º C is dangerously close to the breaking point, I assume those are rigged to shut down at 100º C, back then it used to be at 90º C. How much time you left it running? Perhaps, if you don't want or can't because of monetary issues, you could get yourself a water cooling system. I'm using a Hydro H80, and it's not really expensive for 1st world standards, and it's fairly good, definitely cheaper than a new CPU+motherboard. And, you will already have it for the future when you upgrade, since it's very much compatible with I believe all intel configs right now.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 1, 2019 0:37:01 GMT
I didn't leave the test running for long, it took only a minute or so to get up there, I shut it down after a few seconds and then the temp came back to 30-40 super quickly as well. I am away right now but when I come back, I'll try all those steps I mentioned above. If none of it helps (or if I end up destroying the CPU if I do try to delid it, which actually sounds kinda fun to try) I guess I'll just do my upgrades to the CPU and MB a little sooner than planned.
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 1, 2019 1:15:12 GMT
It won't happen anything to the CPU unless it actually is defective, if it goes above 100º C you'd get a blue screen and your PC will shut down / restart. But yeah, if in 1 minute it gets to 90º C that is concerning for the cooling department. In that case it's either the cooler you're using or the termal paste, or you have your cooler mounted wrong, it's not making good contact with the CPU or something.
However, if you have the money, by all means go for a new one, it wont hurt.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 1, 2019 7:51:34 GMT
Noctua or Be Quiet! Anyway, yesterday I checked what does Anthem take on my i7-4960X (6c/12t) - it hovers around 60% on all the cores. Temps normal operational using Noctua NH-D14 SE2011. People, buy the best cooler you can, always. Always
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Post by saandrig on Apr 1, 2019 8:19:04 GMT
Noctua or Be Quiet! Anyway, yesterday I checked what does Anthem take on my i7-4960X (6c/12t) - it hovers around 60% on all the cores. Temps normal operational using Noctua NH-D14 SE2011. People, buy the best cooler you can, always. Always Noctua cools a bit better, but BeQuiet is, well, quieter and has a better look for anyone that wants a LED show of a PC case.
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Post by spacev3gan on Apr 5, 2019 7:49:53 GMT
In any case, I am gonna be traveling next week but when I get back, I'll try and do a few things: - replace the thermal paste again (might be I used a little too much there last time) and reset the cooler to see if I can reduce temperatures a little - Cap the CPU speed/voltage in BIOS/Windows and see if I can reduce the max heat that way (may slow things down a littel under extreme circumstances but I seem to barely hit those anyway and it's better than overheating the CPU) - If nothing else helps, I might try to delid my CPU for better cooling but I hope it won't come to that. I haven't messed around with Intel processors and their voltages for a while, but I would not be surprised if stock voltages are significantly over what is necessary. AMD is known to set those voltages quite high, just to make sure some few bad chips that actually may require the extra voltage are covered. I am not familiar on how Intel are doing things, but yeah, a manual undervolting could help, perhaps. Besides, is there an option to turn off "Max Turbo Frequency" on the BIOS? You will lose performance for sure, but by doing that, it should also decrease the power draw that is leading to overheat. Talking about those temps, have you ever tried playing with MSI Afterburner on? I always do that for every new game I play, at least for the first few hours, until I can tell the temps are hardware usage are fine. Another thing you can do (only in case you already haven't) is to limit the framerate at 60. Unfortunately Anthem does not have a manual option for that, so turning on your V-Sync at a 60hz refresh rate on your monitor is the only way to get there (and from my experience, if you simply choose 1080p@60hz on Anthem's graphics menu, it will not do the trick, you need to make sure your monitor is at 60hz on Nvidia Control Panel). Playing with an unlocked framerate will be much more stressful for your CPU than playing with it locked at 60. By the way, not many people know it, but Origin does have a framerate counter (Application Settings -> More -> Origin in-game). As for deliding your CPU, that is pretty extreme. I mean, we are not even 100% sure your issue is being caused my high temps (or are we?). I would considering buying an expensive CPU cooler (which should be more than enough for an i7) to deliding.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 10, 2019 15:46:53 GMT
Ok guys, after 2 days of playing quite a lot without issues, I think I might have solved the problem (knocking on wood like crazy here).
So just to wrap this up, here's what happened in the end:
I reset my CPU cooler with new thermal paste and everything and it changed basically nothing, so that was probably fine in the first place. It still went up to almost 100 C under load but also cooled down very quickly back to 40 (in like 1 second), so I figured the cooler was doing a good job of dissipating heat, just the CPU got incredibly hot). So I checked the settings for for the Intel Turbo boost mode in the BIOS and those looked mostly ok but when checking them in Windows with Intel's tuning tool, they looked off the charts (unlimited additional voltage, crazy values for current throtteling and such). creating a profile with better settings ended up crashing the system during a stress test and also gave me BIOs warning at startup. Since I have a pretty old motherboard, I figured maybe the MB and BIOS don't really play nice with the Intel Turbo Boost and the chip (or maybe something is broken on the MB 'cause that kind instability only started recently, after 5 years of normal operation). It just looked like the MB is pouring insane amounts of voltage into the chip for extended periods of time when Turbo Boost activates. Long story short, I deactivated the Turbo Boost function altogether and now my system runs like a charm. CPU Temps go to about 75 C under full load during stress tests and at about 60 C when running Anthem. No more crashes ever since. I also did not notice any performance drop at all, so I am quite happy with the situation right now. Upshot and maybe a guideline for others: If you experience high CPU temps and or voltage spikes and system instability when running Anthem (or any other game/app for that matter) on an Intel CPU (especially an older model with an older MB), try the Intel tuning tool or try turning off the Intel Turbo Boost function in BIOS and see if that stabilizes it. As I said, I had no performance drop at all with this but even if you loose a few frames per second, I'd argue that a stable system is more valuable than a couple of frames here and there. Thanks for all the help and suggestions everyone. I'd have had a much harder time figuring this out without you. Cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 18:47:06 GMT
Hi AnDromedary Glad to hear you've got some relief for your PC-Anthem issues. Here's some other suggestions that could be worth trying. These ideas have helped others dealing with PC game problems: 1) Run the game in Windowed Mode (in-game graphics setting), rather than full screen. 2) Disable Antivirus scans while playing the game. 3) Reduce Anisotropic settings for the Zotac card in its management utility. Does Anthem graphics' option let you set Anisotrophy in-game? If so, try disabling this setting for one, so that only the Zotac GC is controlling anisotrophy. Then, enable in-game Anisotrophy and disbale the Zotac's anisotrophy features. Does either of these alternate settings help? 4) I hope you are not trying to record the game on the same PC 5) In Task Manager, in the Performance section, what % activity are you seeing for CPU, Memory, Disk, and Ethernet performance? 6) Look at Task Manager’s Startup tab. Disable as many startup drivers that you don’t need,
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 5, 2019 19:44:02 GMT
After playing for about 90 minutes with the wonderful Ms Dingley Dell this morning between 8:30 and 10 ET.......This afternoon, well it's now 3:41 ET and for the past two hours Origin has constantly been in OFF-LINE MODE, and/or not letting me sign-in, saying "Online services are currently unavailable. Please check your internet connection" (*while watching Youtube..... *) Anyone else getting this weird message?
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Post by Aragorn89 on May 5, 2019 20:15:35 GMT
Yeah....it's pretty much widespread throughout EA from the look of it, not just Anthem.
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Post by NotN7 on May 5, 2019 21:37:57 GMT
After playing for about 90 minutes with the wonderful Ms Dingley Dell this morning between 8:30 and 10 ET.......This afternoon, well it's now 3:41 ET and for the past two hours Origin has constantly been in OFF-LINE MODE, and/or not letting me sign-in, saying "Online services are currently unavailable. Please check your internet connection" (*while watching Youtube..... *) Anyone else getting this weird message? Yes so I myself went and played other games
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Post by NotN7 on May 5, 2019 21:56:22 GMT
WOW just WOW 2:30 PAC time and I still cannot get online? so I'm Guessing here (Really just joking) that EA didn't train their janitors to handle a crisis like this or their employees learned to not answer the phone
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Post by Terminator Force on May 6, 2019 0:24:44 GMT
Maybe make sure your GPU has a snug connection to you motherboard, try to remove and reinsert it. Was an issue with me once, and though it worked, it gave me some performance issues (including microstutters).
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Post by seven on May 6, 2019 2:03:37 GMT
WOW just WOW 2:30 PAC time and I still cannot get online? so I'm Guessing here (Really just joking) that EA didn't train their janitors to handle a crisis like this or their employees learned to not answer the phone Maybe employees are pretending to be janitors to not have to answer the phone and solve the problems...I may or may not done a similar thing recently at 5 min after close of business 😂
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Post by NotN7 on May 6, 2019 4:46:36 GMT
WOW just WOW 2:30 PAC time and I still cannot get online? so I'm Guessing here (Really just joking) that EA didn't train their janitors to handle a crisis like this or their employees learned to not answer the phone Maybe employees are pretending to be janitors to not have to answer the phone and solve the problems...I may or may not done a similar thing recently at 5 min after close of business 😂 Lmao
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Post by boozebeast on May 6, 2019 16:24:23 GMT
Before I get into it, my rig is the following:
MoBo: MSI B350 Tomahawk Plus CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700X GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1070Ti 8GB (Duke Edition) RAM: G.Skill Trident 32GB 3200MHz DDR4 (8GB x 4) Cooling: EKWB Custom Liquid Cooling Loop
That being said, Anthem allocates WAY more resources than what it actually uses. Using high graphics settings, and nothing but essentials running in the background, Anthem likes to take up about 80% of my RAM, 100% of my GPU, and 90% of my CPU... All this at 63C on both my GPU and CPU...both of which average around 32C on every other game I own. I can force it to take up less resources and it still performs the exact same as it does using everything. Yet another screwup the devs have ignored.
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