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Post by cypherj on Mar 29, 2019 17:15:08 GMT
While I'm sure EA has files on a lot of it's customers for marketing purposes or to sell. I just can't see them applying this at a per player level in the game.
Also, if they had this, they would have never put out that skin at such a ridiculous price the other day. The same price for everyone I might add. They were obviously trying to figure out at what point players would say that the real life money cost was worth the time it would save them to farm that much money in game.
Or how many people were so desperate for a new look that they would buy something new no matter what the cost was.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2019 18:06:07 GMT
Do we actually know that price was ridiculous? As opposed to, say, revenue-maximizing?
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 29, 2019 18:28:14 GMT
Oh please. This is so fucking fake that I’m amazed Trump hasn’t held a press conference on it yet.
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Post by officerdonnz on Mar 29, 2019 18:42:59 GMT
All I can say is EA's AI must really suck as not only have I stopped playing Anthem I've also uninstalled it as well.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 29, 2019 19:04:17 GMT
Do we actually know that price was ridiculous? As opposed to, say, revenue-maximizing?
Do you know how long it takes to earn 61K in game. This wasn't even for an armor set, or any single piece of armor at all. They know most people will say $8.50 is worth saving the time to earn 61K.
I think I had 130K ish when I hit level 30, and I got 40K from having to LOTD dawn. I earned 90K from lvl 1-30, and this one item, not even armor is 67% of that total. Yeah, the price was ridiculous. Especially in a game where they only gave you 2 armor sets to start, and 1 additional through the special edition.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2019 21:04:56 GMT
What's the metric for a "ridiculous" price? "A price that AlanC9 wouldn't pay" doesn't work, because I'd never buy cosmetic stuff for any amount of RW money.
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 29, 2019 21:07:59 GMT
I think “a price that Mobius Y wouldn’t pay” is a good metric for determining what is ridiculous. After all, I am the center of my universe.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 29, 2019 21:59:32 GMT
What's the metric for a "ridiculous" price? "A price that AlanC9 wouldn't pay" doesn't work, because I'd never buy cosmetic stuff for any amount of RW money.
Well, I think cost should be somewhat proportionate to the rate one can acquire money in game, and the difficulty in acquiring money in game. I'm not talking about the cost to buy an item with RW money. I'm talking about setting a cost so high for in game currency that people have no choice but to spend RW money to be able to obtain it in any reasonable amount of time.
It's the same thing they did in Battlefront II. You can buy Darth Vader for this amount, or you can sped 40 hours in game grinding trying to unlock him. They knew everyone was just going to spend RW money to get something right away rather than do all that grinding.
In both cases they pulled the items back and said OK, maybe we went too far with this one.
They started at the ridiculous, and now they can try to find the sweet spot.
It's worse in this game because of the paltry amount of content that was offered to start. If there were a large amount of content already in the game and these were like Dragon Age themed armors, or N7 themed, I could see charging higher rates for the vanity of it. But to give out the bare minimum amount of content, and then charge people what amounts to probably half the money from their current play through or more for one aesthetic item, not even armor is just shady.
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Post by bshep on Mar 29, 2019 22:22:34 GMT
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 29, 2019 22:48:00 GMT
All I can say is EA's AI must really suck as not only have I stopped playing Anthem I've also uninstalled it as well.
LOL... +1
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Post by mugwump on Mar 29, 2019 23:39:10 GMT
Given that Bioware deemed it necessary to patch out the 'bugs' that made loot drops more frequent - and on two occasions now - I don't think it entirely unreasonable to assume that Anthems algorithms may have been balanced to encourage the sale of piecemeal DLC.
No tinfoil required!
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 30, 2019 4:03:09 GMT
Well, I think cost should be somewhat proportionate to the rate one can acquire money in game, and the difficulty in acquiring money in game. I'm not talking about the cost to buy an item with RW money. I'm talking about setting a cost so high for in game currency that people have no choice but to spend RW money to be able to obtain it in any reasonable amount of time. This sounds useful. How many grind hours should stuff max out at?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 30, 2019 11:28:59 GMT
Are you guys seriously talking about this still?
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Post by cypherj on Mar 30, 2019 16:53:44 GMT
Well, I think cost should be somewhat proportionate to the rate one can acquire money in game, and the difficulty in acquiring money in game. I'm not talking about the cost to buy an item with RW money. I'm talking about setting a cost so high for in game currency that people have no choice but to spend RW money to be able to obtain it in any reasonable amount of time. This sounds useful. How many grind hours should stuff max out at? Not for me to decide, that's for the player base to decide. Obviously, in this case they decided that price was outrageous and EA was forced to take it down and try to find a new price point. Just like they were forced to redo their model on obtaining heroes in Battlefront II. You think they would have learned from that, but when being greedy and trying to rip off your customers is in your DNA, I guess it's hard. I haven't bought anything from the store, and I hope other players boycott it as well. Because like I said before, to be selling content when you offered the bare minimum to begin with is unacceptable.
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 30, 2019 19:15:09 GMT
They can’t even code follower npcs to fly with you. Let alpne this bs.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 30, 2019 20:18:22 GMT
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 30, 2019 21:48:18 GMT
While I'm sure EA has files on a lot of it's customers for marketing purposes or to sell. I just can't see them applying this at a per player level in the game. Also, if they had this, they would have never put out that skin at such a ridiculous price the other day. The same price for everyone I might add. They were obviously trying to figure out at what point players would say that the real life money cost was worth the time it would save them to farm that much money in game. Or how many people were so desperate for a new look that they would buy something new no matter what the cost was.
Garbage skins have no value. Since EA targeted Anthem to a broader audience than just the Bio fans, skin offerings must have some value to this market. Finding the right price point can be difficult.
Another point is what internal mtx expectations EA/Bio came up with. It appears unrealistic, as the studio/EA is still juggling content. It's also harder to get a minimum revenue stream if the underlying player base has not achieved the necessary critical mass. It's as if the studio fell into a catch 22 loop.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 30, 2019 21:54:21 GMT
Are you guys seriously talking about this still?
Lol, It's the equivalent of a sore tooth.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 30, 2019 22:01:00 GMT
So is this suggesting that they made an actual RNGsus?
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 31, 2019 5:12:01 GMT
I heard EA was behind the Kennedy assassination.
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Post by mugwump on Mar 31, 2019 7:14:38 GMT
I heard googling "ea matchmaking patent" makes for some interesting reading.
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Post by Mobius Y on Mar 31, 2019 18:39:00 GMT
I heard googling "ea matchmaking patent" makes for some interesting reading. Forget that, try “Wargaming matchmaking patent”. I’ve read some shit.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 31, 2019 21:03:18 GMT
I heard googling "ea matchmaking patent" makes for some interesting reading. Forget that, try “Wargaming matchmaking patent”. I’ve read some shit.
LOL. This game's matchmaking algorithm, if there is one, was made by amateurs.
For the concept to work, the code needs to control at what level to place you and maybe even which opponent against. Not so in Anthem. Bio's concept is to "play with friends" = common goal, approach and understood individual responsibility while in combat. Fails most of the time with strangers and with a disparate team levels and gear.
No surprise, if internal testing was made with people who used the "play with friends" concept. Probably worked well too. Enter chaos when strangers are in the mix, add a pinch of useless loot, to boot, mismatched levels and gear, plus a tether to keep the team together and voila! Anthem.
Post Script: I google that.... bad, very bad.
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Post by bshep on Mar 31, 2019 21:59:14 GMT
Here comes armchair dev Sartoz people! Give him some space while he shower us with his wisdom.
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 31, 2019 22:59:20 GMT
Guess this is not the time to mention that this AI eventually becomes Skynet.
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