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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 4, 2019 18:19:09 GMT
I am gonna have to say aria. While I usually discount gameplay biotics from this since it varies on what power you are given. However We know aria is super powerful and she has that power called flare that is obscenely overpowered and makes me think the game creators are trying to make her special with that power. Now that said I admit that asari that could hold off artillery fire in MEA (the one cora idolizes until they meet) Still I think aria is the most powerful.
If I was going to name the most powerful biotic that wasn't asari I would say jack or cora since cora held off that artillery shelling from the kett ship. However jack is supposed to be the most powerful human biotic and upon leaving cryo destroy three giant mechs right off the back with just biotics.
Also I was wondering if biotics can use their biotic to fly and make themselves stronger.
I know this doesn't really fit into this category of "future mass effect" but it doesn't fit into any other one either since it encompasses all of the mass effect games.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 5, 2019 16:49:15 GMT
I think Jack, though not during gameplay. In cut scenes she can do some amazing stuff. I've seen Jack do things no other biotic has done.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 5, 2019 17:32:00 GMT
I think Jack, though not during gameplay. In cut scenes she can do some amazing stuff. I've seen Jack do things no other biotic has done. I think that Jack is an exceptional biotic, one that there is a reason why we don't see full cutscene power in gameplay, and one that I would love to explore and explain my reasoning behind it, but I don't think she is the most powerful one we've seen. Or, at least, the most potent one. Samara displays some exceptional skills and, as already stated Aria is also a formidable one. Ultimately, my vote would go to Tela Vasir, though. And what an amazing fight that was, to boot.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 5, 2019 18:59:33 GMT
Jack is powerful for a human, which is comparatively weak for an Asari - it takes humans considerably more energy and practice to accomplish the same tasks with implants according to the last book. Put her up against a legendary Asari warrior like Aria or Samara who are powerful for Asari and as capable with weapons and that's not a fair fight.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 5, 2019 19:35:36 GMT
Jack is powerful for a human, which is comparatively weak for an Asari - it takes humans considerably more energy and practice to accomplish the same tasks with implants according to the last book. Put her up against a legendary Asari warrior like Aria or Samara who are powerful for Asari and as capable with weapons and that's not a fair fight. Don't know that I agree. Kaidan can Reave, which is apparently very unusual for a human. I don't see Liara as more powerful than Jack or Kaidan. Miranda knocked the crap out of an asari during her LM. So, nah, I'm going to say asari aren't necessarily stronger than humans.
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Post by 10k on Apr 5, 2019 19:48:48 GMT
I think out of every biotic we know I have to say either Samara or Aria are the strongest biotic. Jack is the strongest human biotic, I actually don't even think Cora biotic power is up there with Jack's. Cora is very well trained, but as for raw power for a human that goes to Jack. As for Liara, I think she's right up there with jack, maybe even surpassing her. She has the potential, because she an asari.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 5, 2019 19:54:58 GMT
I think out of every biotic we know I have to say either Samara or Aria are the strongest biotic. Jack is the strongest human biotic, I actually don't even think Cora biotic power is up there with Jack's. Cora is very well trained, but as for raw power for a human that goes to Jack. As for Liara, I think she's right up there with jack, maybe even surpassing her. She has the potential, because she an asari. The only reason the asari have the edge is because they live long enough to train. Give humans a thousand year lifespan and I bet you they're the equal of asari. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 3.4000000000000057px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_8790846" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25081566" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 110px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1924678" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 110px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_40912772" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe>
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Post by 10k on Apr 5, 2019 20:04:39 GMT
I think out of every biotic we know I have to say either Samara or Aria are the strongest biotic. Jack is the strongest human biotic, I actually don't even think Cora biotic power is up there with Jack's. Cora is very well trained, but as for raw power for a human that goes to Jack. As for Liara, I think she's right up there with jack, maybe even surpassing her. She has the potential, because she an asari. The only reason the asari have the edge is because they live long enough to train. Give humans a thousand year lifespan and I bet you they're the equal of asari. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 3.4000000000000057px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_8790846" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25081566" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 110px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1924678" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 110px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_40912772" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="3.4000000000000057"></iframe> I don't thinks so, just because Humans have hardware limitations because of their biotic amps, whereas assari do not. Any asari has the potential of being stronger than any human just because of human limitations.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 5, 2019 20:55:44 GMT
Jack is powerful for a human, which is comparatively weak for an Asari - it takes humans considerably more energy and practice to accomplish the same tasks with implants according to the last book. Put her up against a legendary Asari warrior like Aria or Samara who are powerful for Asari and as capable with weapons and that's not a fair fight. I did say jack was likely the most powerful HUMAN biotic not the most powerful biotic
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2019 1:25:16 GMT
Jack is powerful for a human, which is comparatively weak for an Asari - it takes humans considerably more energy and practice to accomplish the same tasks with implants according to the last book. Put her up against a legendary Asari warrior like Aria or Samara who are powerful for Asari and as capable with weapons and that's not a fair fight. I did say jack was likely the most powerful HUMAN biotic not the most powerful biotic I believe Jack could stomp on Liara with little effort. Biotic Shepard is near-impossible to defeat, though not a match for Morinth. Remember, Shep even took down Tela Vasir, who people in this thread argue was the most powerful biotic.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2019 2:11:44 GMT
I did say jack was likely the most powerful HUMAN biotic not the most powerful biotic I believe Jack could stomp on Liara with little effort. Biotic Shepard is near-impossible to defeat, though not a match for Morinth. Remember, Shep even took down Tela Vasir, who people in this thread argue was the most powerful biotic. I think people need to realize how strong someone is in gameplay doesn't match how strong they actually are. I mean jack's powers are only good against non armored opponets in ME2. So in terms of power miranda is stronger and so is thane. Yet we know that jack straight out of cryo wrecks three big mechs in seconds. So she would be strong even by asari standards. You have to pay attention to lore for this. Vasir uses van guard charge and shockwave in her boss fight and in ME3 MP we see several races use vanguard charge and shockwave so she isn't special. The only one I would say should count their gameplay is aria because we know she is a super powerful biotic and her special power is flare which is obscenly overpowered but is her "unique" power.
Also liara is still a "maiden" asari and while she is stronger then most at that stage she isn't enhanced like jack was and jack has been using her biotics since she was a kid and been using them alot since she is always fighting and uses her biotics for that. Also asari are naturally more powerful because their homeworld has alot of element zero there and it effected how asari evolved. And the protheans played with the asari's gene's early on.
So it isn't just that asari live longer and can use that time to get stronger. Otherwise wrex should be very high up in power since he has biotics and is close to a thousand now.
That said someone like jack who is so powerful is likely as strong as an asari of a matron stage
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2019 14:40:45 GMT
That said someone like jack who is so powerful is likely as strong as an asari of a matron stage Agreed, which is why saying humans are no match for asari is outright false. Yes, I know gameplay is different than cutscenes. If it weren't, Shepard would have long been dead. Still, Shepard wins where others don't so that has to count for something.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 6, 2019 18:52:38 GMT
That said someone like jack who is so powerful is likely as strong as an asari of a matron stage Agreed, which is why saying humans are no match for asari is outright false. Yes, I know gameplay is different than cutscenes. If it weren't, Shepard would have long been dead. Still, Shepard wins where others don't so that has to count for something. I'm willing to say Jack is as powerful as an Asari at any stage, also willing to say Adept Shepard is the same. Maybe specific Asari like Aria are more powerful, maybe not. Asari aren't better than humanities best even Kaiden is powerful for most Asari. Asari have a higher bottom but their peak isn't necessarily any better even after 1,000 years.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2019 20:30:22 GMT
Agreed, which is why saying humans are no match for asari is outright false. Yes, I know gameplay is different than cutscenes. If it weren't, Shepard would have long been dead. Still, Shepard wins where others don't so that has to count for something. I'm willing to say Jack is as powerful as an Asari at any stage, also willing to say Adept Shepard is the same. Maybe specific Asari like Aria are more powerful, maybe not. Asari aren't better than humanities best even Kaiden is powerful for most Asari. Asari have a higher bottom but their peak isn't necessarily any better even after 1,000 years. More evidence is that asari Councilor who does nothing when Udina shoves her to the ground.
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Post by melbella on Apr 6, 2019 21:10:40 GMT
More evidence is that asari Councilor who does nothing when Udina shoves her to the ground. Just because one asari may be a weak biotic and one human an unusually strong one, doesn't mean that overall asari aren't more powerful biotics than humans, or any other race. Why? Because their homeworld is full of eezo and they have evolved with it over millennia. Meanwhile, eezo exposure is more likely to give a human cancer than biotic abilities.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 6, 2019 21:24:33 GMT
More evidence is that asari Councilor who does nothing when Udina shoves her to the ground. Just because one asari may be a weak biotic and one human an unusually strong one, doesn't mean that overall asari aren't more powerful biotics than humans, or any other race. Why? Because their homeworld is full of eezo and they have evolved with it over millennia. Meanwhile, eezo exposure is more likely to give a human cancer than biotic abilities. I don't think anyone is arguing that asari aren't overall more powerful, i mean most humans aren't biotic. But how many Asari have combat trained their biotics at all? Is there best necessarily any stronger than the strongest human or turian or whatever. I mean they have billions of biotics so odds are their best have a higher % chance of reaching that peak but it is still likely a argument like whose the best X athlete. Yeah occasionally a phenom will pop up but normally there are dozen of so who can be argued are the best. And humans can get into that top best field just fine. Humans best might even be better than an Asaris best. Like Humans might range from 0-10 and Asari 4-9, so yeah overall more powerful but peak human might exceed that.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2019 21:40:34 GMT
Just because one asari may be a weak biotic and one human an unusually strong one, doesn't mean that overall asari aren't more powerful biotics than humans, or any other race. Why? Because their homeworld is full of eezo and they have evolved with it over millennia. Meanwhile, eezo exposure is more likely to give a human cancer than biotic abilities. I don't think anyone is arguing that asari aren't overall more powerful, i mean most humans aren't biotic. But how many Asari have combat trained their biotics at all? Is there best necessarily any stronger than the strongest human or turian or whatever. I mean they have billions of biotics so odds are their best have a higher % chance of reaching that peak but it is still likely a argument like whose the best X athlete. Yeah occasionally a phenom will pop up but normally there are dozen of so who can be argued are the best. And humans can get into that top best field just fine. Humans best might even be better than an Asaris best. Like Humans might range from 0-10 and Asari 4-9, so yeah overall more powerful but peak human might exceed that. Jack who is the strongest biotic is strong because she was put through un natural test remember. Yeah she would have been strong anyways but she was essentially a muscle car made into a dragster where as aria for example is just a bugatti.
Listen to miranda when she is talking about her genes. She says her biotics are strong...for a human.
Actually asari are unatural as well since the protheans altered them according to javik so their biotics are stronger then they would have been even though they came from a planet that was full of element zero. So while there may be humans who are stronger then some asari the game lore pretty much says that asari have the best biotics. Not all asari but overall and the top tier of each species the asari have stronger biotics.
So while jack is the top tier of human biotics she doesn't equal aria or the other top tier asari biotics. Of course jack is vicious enough where she may come out on top against some of those asari but that isn't because her biotics are stronger.
Also on jack's dossier it specifically says she is probably the most powerful human biotic.
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Post by natetrace on Apr 6, 2019 22:14:39 GMT
1. Aria 2. Cora 3. Samara/Morinth 4. Jack 5. Kaidan
Aria is top. Her cutscene and in game power matches. Same with Cora. Cora is a vanguard, but more defensive in cutscenes. Samara has reave and Morinth has dominate. Jack is super aggressive in cutscenes but her damn bonus power is warp ammo. She has shockwave, ooooh scary. I mean it can be useful but it's not a great power. Kaidan in 3 is great. Perfect mix of tech and biotic and he can use an assault rifle. The vast majority picked Ashley in 1, only to get trolled in 3 with her being the weaker of the two.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2019 22:29:14 GMT
1. Aria 2. Cora 3. Samara/Morinth 4. Jack 5. Kaidan Aria is top. Her cutscene and in game power matches. Same with Cora. Cora is a vanguard, but more defensive in cutscenes. Samara has reave and Morinth has dominate. Jack is super aggressive in cutscenes but her damn bonus power is warp ammo. She has shockwave, ooooh scary. I mean it can be useful but it's not a great power. Kaidan in 3 is great. Perfect mix of tech and biotic and he can use an assault rifle. The vast majority picked Ashley in 1, only to get trolled in 3 with her being the weaker of the two. Yeah cora helped hold off a damn ship cannon shot with a biotic barrier.
I was angry about how ashley was made weaker and kaiden became kinda cool. I had a shepard for every LI and the only one with kaiden is the one where my fem shep romanced him. I lost my saves and while replaying ME1 over again recently I figured out a trick to getting both ashley and kaiden in my saves..Well seperately but if you get all your stuff done and do the virmire mission last you can do a few saves before you choose who dies on virmire and then after you finish the game with one you can go back and play it again and spend less then an hour and get a playthrough with the other virmire survivor in a save. This also goes for saving the council or letting them die. Just after you convince saren to kill himself or kill him the first time you save and then go make the decision to save or let the council die. So for an extra hour and a half or so you can have your choice of which virmire survivor you want and if the council survives or not. Granted you would have to play them all in ME2 to get the same thing in ME3 which would be ALOT of time but you would have the option of it.
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Post by biggydx on Apr 7, 2019 4:32:15 GMT
I would think that Asari would have the upper-hand out of any race due to their natural biology allowing them fully control their Biotic abilities. If I had to guess, I'd probably say that Aria is the strongest Biotic we've seen so far. If we're taking into account her Flare ability, it's likely one of the - if not THE - most destructive biotic ability in the game/story.
In MEA, I do remember Cora saying that, during her time in a Asari Commando squad, that there was an Asari who was considered a biotic prodigy. This Asari was able to rip an AA gun off of its foundation, which must apparently be a pretty tough feat. If I'm being honest though, and - admittedly - selective, some of the displays of Biotic ability in MEA are kinda absurd. You've got Asari commando's in ME3 who were only able to keep up a barrier of a couple meters in width. Meanwhile, Cora and that other Asari make a bubble the size of a fucking town; and it deflects cannon fire from a ship.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 7, 2019 16:27:58 GMT
1) Samara she had centuries of combat experience and knew how to use her powers in ways others couldn't use. Plus she was one of two biotics who could use biotic shield to safely get through the Collector's base.
2) Liara might be technically the most powerful biotic in the series because the singularity power was supposed to be hardest power to master and she used it easily, but she lacks the combat experience of Samara, in terms of raw untapped power Liara would hands down but again she lacks the centuries of experience that would make her even deadly then she was at the end of ME3.
3) Cora Harper. Like Samara her experience makes her more dangerous and deadly because she actually KNOWS what she is doing.
4) Jack. She is easily the most powerful of the human biotics we've seen but she's not trained and even in ME3 she still untrained and her attitude doesn't help.
5) Wrex. He's a krogan battlemaster and a powerful biotic (at least by krogan standards) maybe not as powerful or as trained as those above are and we really don't get to see it as much as the others.
The rest are: 6) Peebee 7) Miranda 8) Jacob 9) Thane 10) Aria
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 7, 2019 18:44:33 GMT
1) Samara she had centuries of combat experience and knew how to use her powers in ways others couldn't use. Plus she was one of two biotics who could use biotic shield to safely get through the Collector's base. 2) Liara might be technically the most powerful biotic in the series because the singularity power was supposed to be hardest power to master and she used it easily, but she lacks the combat experience of Samara, in terms of raw untapped power Liara would hands down but again she lacks the centuries of experience that would make her even deadly then she was at the end of ME3. 3) Cora Harper. Like Samara her experience makes her more dangerous and deadly because she actually KNOWS what she is doing. 4) Jack. She is easily the most powerful of the human biotics we've seen but she's not trained and even in ME3 she still untrained and her attitude doesn't help. 5) Wrex. He's a krogan battlemaster and a powerful biotic (at least by krogan standards) maybe not as powerful or as trained as those above are and we really don't get to see it as much as the others. The rest are: 6) Peebee 7) Miranda 8) Jacob 9) Thane 10) Aria How is jacob on there? We never see him use a ton of biotics and him,miranda,and thane couldn't hold the biotic barrier to keep the seeker swarms out the whole way.
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Post by bladefist on Apr 8, 2019 0:01:24 GMT
1) Samara she had centuries of combat experience and knew how to use her powers in ways others couldn't use. Plus she was one of two biotics who could use biotic shield to safely get through the Collector's base. 2) Liara might be technically the most powerful biotic in the series because the singularity power was supposed to be hardest power to master and she used it easily, but she lacks the combat experience of Samara, in terms of raw untapped power Liara would hands down but again she lacks the centuries of experience that would make her even deadly then she was at the end of ME3. 3) Cora Harper. Like Samara her experience makes her more dangerous and deadly because she actually KNOWS what she is doing. 4) Jack. She is easily the most powerful of the human biotics we've seen but she's not trained and even in ME3 she still untrained and her attitude doesn't help. 5) Wrex. He's a krogan battlemaster and a powerful biotic (at least by krogan standards) maybe not as powerful or as trained as those above are and we really don't get to see it as much as the others. The rest are: 6) Peebee 7) Miranda 8) Jacob 9) Thane 10) Aria How is jacob on there? We never see him use a ton of biotics and him,miranda,and thane couldn't hold the biotic barrier to keep the seeker swarms out the whole way. He pulled those mechs over the ledge in ME2, BADASS
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Post by XJlock on Apr 8, 2019 4:15:06 GMT
I am not sure who is the strongest, but Samara seems to have an extensive resume since she claimed having experienced everything the galaxy has to offer. During her maiden years, she served as a mercenary, battled tyrants and pirates. When she became a justicar, she destroyed villages due to Morinth perverting the minds of young asari, who in turn, attacked Samara on her daughter's orders to buy her time to flee and she saved cities. She also fought for several days against Nihlus Kryik, who was a Spectre and an apprentice to Saren Arterius. Like Jack, she can be chosen as the biotic specialist to hold the biotic barrier during the Suicide Mission. According to the Illusive Man's dossier on her, the biotics strenght she possess is near that of an asari matriarch.
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