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Post by biggydx on Apr 6, 2019 6:01:51 GMT
With Jason Schreier mentioning on Twitter that he'll be releasing a follow-up article on Dragon Age 4's development, I wanted to gauge what the community anticipates the climate surrounding the article will be; after its release. Jasons previous article on Anthems development left the community here relatively polarized (I'm basing on postings) regarding whether the details mentioned means positive (or negative) things to come for BioWare and DA4.
- Some plan on supporting BioWare no matter the situation, with or without the details laid out in Jasons article. Though doom and gloom has often been quite common when it comes to BioWare, these responses have been made several times over the past (with several BioWare titles), and yet the studio is still standing. There's also the fact that these individuals wish to be optimistic, and believe there's road for redemption with BioWare.
- Some are hopeful that with Casey Hudson returning, and Mark Darrah acting as producer for the title, Dragon Age 4 will turn out a better title than Anthem/Andromeda; among other tidbits laid out in the article. This doesn't mean they aren't put off by elements contained within the article, but they see certain information presented that makes for potentially better future for Dragon Age; and maybe BioWare as well.
- Some have taken a more pessimistic (or skeptical) approach with BioWare, as the article detailed continuing mismanagement issues that have persisted for some time in the company. There's also BioWare's recently released titles not living up to higher expectations set by the companies older titles (like Baldurs Gate and KOTOR). Other details, such as Frostbite engine woes, and lack of technical support from EA, also bolster this groups less than favorable opinion for DA4; and BioWare as a studio.
- Some believe that BioWare has fallen out of favor well before the article released, and that it only reassures their opinion that the studios hay-days are long over. To a discernible degree, this opinion is justified by BioWare's recent titles coming out to a tepid (or poor) response from the general playerbase (Andromeda/Anthem), or having their fair share of controversies (ME3 Ending).
How do you feel Jasons next article will land? Do you anticipate more troubles for the future, for both the Dragon Age franchise and/or BioWare, or do you think there's a light at the end of the tunnel? Or, maybe there's something in between, with their revelations that are both reassuring and concerning.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Apr 6, 2019 6:49:41 GMT
I don't take video game articles based on unnamed "sources familiar with the studio" or what have you terribly seriously. So whether the story is positive or negative about da4 it's not likely to effect my outlook.
Which is simply that i enjoyed all the Dragon Age games so far, look forward to another one, but won't know for sure whether da4 is for me until we see some content for the game with accompanying reviews.
I am concerned about the status of the video game industry, which seems to be in need of some serious work and unionization anytime i hear about it though.
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Post by river82 on Apr 6, 2019 7:23:29 GMT
I don't take video game articles based on unnamed "sources familiar with the studio" or what have you terribly seriously. Schreier has legit sources. He's the one gaming journalist where if he says something, people can pretty much treat it as ... solid, though maybe biased, information. He's earned that distinction over the past 6 or 7 years.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 6, 2019 7:25:26 GMT
I don't take video game articles based on unnamed "sources familiar with the studio" or what have you terribly seriously. Schreier has legit sources. He's the one gaming journalist where if he says something, people can pretty much treat it as ... solid, though maybe biased, information. He's earned that distinction over the past 6 or 7 years. If he don't name them, they are automatically suspect. Especially if one does not have corroborating evidence, which will be next to impossible to get.
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Post by river82 on Apr 6, 2019 7:27:35 GMT
Schreier has legit sources. He's the one gaming journalist where if he says something, people can pretty much treat it as ... solid, though maybe biased, information. He's earned that distinction over the past 6 or 7 years. If he don't name them, they are automatically suspect. Especially if one does not have corroborating evidence, which will be next to impossible to get. Schreier has continuously leaked insider information concerning Destiny, Destiny 2, Andromeda, Dragon Age 4, and Anthem, and has yet to be wrong. And the insider information he leaked about Destiny was the name of the upcoming expansion plus details. Casey's Hudson's response to Schreier's article was to acknowledge the issues brought up in the article. When he's finally wrong, we can start suspecting his sources.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 6, 2019 7:31:41 GMT
If he don't name them, they are automatically suspect. Especially if one does not have corroborating evidence, which will be next to impossible to get. Schreier has continuously leaked insider information concerning Destiny, Destiny 2, Andromeda, Dragon Age 4, and Anthem, and has yet to be wrong. And the insider information he leaked about Destiny was the name of the upcoming expansion plus details. Casey's Hudson's response to Schreier's article was to acknowledge the issues brought up in the article. When he's finally wrong, we can start suspecting his sources. We don't know if any of his information on DA 4 is right or not...its not yet out (besides all he has had on DA 4 was speculation anyways, as far as I know). Either way don't really care how often someone is right or not. Unamed sources are never trustworthy in my mind because we can't possibly know the reliability of the information and someone even saying they have such sources often makes me think that they are saying more like 'trust me guys, I haz sources'.
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Post by river82 on Apr 6, 2019 7:33:11 GMT
Schreier has continuously leaked insider information concerning Destiny, Destiny 2, Andromeda, Dragon Age 4, and Anthem, and has yet to be wrong. And the insider information he leaked about Destiny was the name of the upcoming expansion plus details. Casey's Hudson's response to Schreier's article was to acknowledge the issues brought up in the article. When he's finally wrong, we can start suspecting his sources. We don't know if any of his information on DA 4 is right or not...its not yet out (besides all he has had on DA 4 was speculation anyways, as far as I know). Either way don't really care how often someone is right or not. Unamed sources are never trustworthy in my mind because we can't possibly know the reliability of the information and someone even saying they have such sources often makes me think that they are saying more like 'trust me guys, I haz sources'. He already has sources inside Bioware. Casey Hudson responded to Schreier's article with "these problems are very real", so the sources there are trustworthy. The sources he had for Andromeda were trustworthy. Why would he suddenly have untrustworthy sources for Dragon Age?
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Post by andydandymandy on Apr 6, 2019 7:42:57 GMT
Its early in DA4's development, but I am expecting some info about what Laidlaw was going to do with DA4 before he left and what the rebooted version now is.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 6, 2019 7:46:50 GMT
I suppose to finally answer the actual poll question...I already sold my soul to BioWare long ago.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 6, 2019 7:52:04 GMT
Depends on what the article reveals and talks about.
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Post by Fredward on Apr 6, 2019 7:52:12 GMT
I'm sincerely unaware of Schreier ever writing anything positive, if there's ambiguity that can be read as not bad it'll be be of the rickety cliff shack that makes the dark clouds of doom loom all the more mode.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 6, 2019 8:47:04 GMT
I've voted for indifferent, not because I don't care, but I don't tend to pay much attention to these sorts of articles, particularly as those at Bioware aren't in a position to defend themselves whilst bound by confidentiality in their contracts. All I want at present is more information from Bioware about the next DA game but I know they are similarly constrained about this until such time as the studio is nearer to launch.
So far as how my mind is made up about DA4, I am hopeful it will at least be as good as DAI, if not better. We've had to wait long enough for it.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 6, 2019 11:28:36 GMT
Well... Independently of my opinions on Schreier's personality and whether or not he's trying to fuel drama, his articles (particularly his... ahem, "leaks") haven't been proven wrong so far, so I'd say we can take whatever he writes to be truthful. If I were to take a guess, I'd say that whatever DA4's situation is, it'll most likely be reassuring in some parts and concerning in others, but honestly, it's just guesswork on my part. Then again, guesswork is the point of this thread, so I'm probably doing something right for once.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 6, 2019 12:17:57 GMT
Hoping he’s able to shed some light into need for reboot and What gaasmeans in terms of da4. I veered between mixed and doubtful on the poll.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 6, 2019 14:12:29 GMT
Schreier has continuously leaked insider information concerning Destiny, Destiny 2, Andromeda, Dragon Age 4, and Anthem, and has yet to be wrong. And the insider information he leaked about Destiny was the name of the upcoming expansion plus details. Casey's Hudson's response to Schreier's article was to acknowledge the issues brought up in the article. When he's finally wrong, we can start suspecting his sources. We don't know if any of his information on DA 4 is right or not...its not yet out (besides all he has had on DA 4 was speculation anyways, as far as I know). Either way don't really care how often someone is right or not. Unamed sources are never trustworthy in my mind because we can't possibly know the reliability of the information and someone even saying they have such sources often makes me think that they are saying more like 'trust me guys, I haz sources'. I get that named sources are better. One point of NDAs is to prevent people from telling the truth to journalists, after all. But if journalists limited themselves to only using named sources, the journalism we'd get would be worse, both in quantity and quality.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 6, 2019 14:26:40 GMT
Hoping he’s able to shed some light into need for reboot and What gaasmeans in terms of da4. I veered between mixed and doubtful on the poll. In a best case scenario, it would probably take the form of what we're seeing with AC:Odyssey.
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Post by Frost on Apr 6, 2019 15:21:04 GMT
I voted for mixed. Hopefully some positive news for DA4 is included, but we will see next week.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 6, 2019 15:56:15 GMT
Schreier's information is usually reliable, but I will wait to decide on DA4 when I get official information about it the game itself. Internal problems in the studio, while concerning, don't necessarily speak to product quality.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 6, 2019 16:20:58 GMT
Schreier's information is usually reliable, but I will wait to decide on DA4 when I get official information about it the game itself. Internal problems in the studio, while concerning, don't necessarily speak to product quality.Except for the fact that they did for Andromeda, and then for Anthem after that. They have an impact on the course of development. As far as waiting on official information goes, I can respect that.
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Post by natetrace on Apr 6, 2019 16:32:38 GMT
I know a lot of people want Jason to name his sources, but if he does his sources will dry up. Then there will be nothing to write and he's out of a job. I don't think the piece will paint BioWare and the live service model in a positive light. He briefly mentioned in his anthem piece that people liked what laidlaw...laid out...for DA4 and that he left when it was rebooted. Thus, I imagine, there will be folks unhappy with the direction it's going.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 6, 2019 17:47:46 GMT
I know a lot of people want Jason to name his sources, but if he does his sources will dry up. Then there will be nothing to write and he's out of a job. I don't think the piece will paint BioWare and the live service model in a positive light. He briefly mentioned in his anthem piece that people liked what laidlaw...laid out...for DA4 and that he left when it was rebooted. Thus, I imagine, there will be folks unhappy with the direction it's going. I hope Schreier explains what the reboot entailed in more detail... I doubt they just pushed all of the things they came up with to the wayside, especially story-wise. Something has to have been salvaged from there.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 6, 2019 18:07:40 GMT
Schreier's information is usually reliable, but I will wait to decide on DA4 when I get official information about it the game itself. Internal problems in the studio, while concerning, don't necessarily speak to product quality.Except for the fact that they did for Andromeda, and then for Anthem after that. They have an impact on the course of development. As far as waiting on official information goes, I can respect that. If bioware can produce a game as great as Andromeda was despite their internal problems... Whatever they are... Then think what they can do when they get them sorted out?
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 6, 2019 18:16:15 GMT
Except for the fact that they did for Andromeda, and then for Anthem after that. They have an impact on the course of development. As far as waiting on official information goes, I can respect that. If bioware can produce a game as great as Andromeda was despite their internal problems... Whatever they are... Then think what they can do when they get them sorted out? Dunno, but when DA4 releases we'll know for certain if they got it sorted out. But I think they may have it somewhat easier for them, if they're building upon Anthem's codebase. Much less work to be done when it comes to building the general systems, more time to make and (most importantly) polish new stuff.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 6, 2019 18:29:11 GMT
If bioware can produce a game as great as Andromeda was despite their internal problems... Whatever they are... Then think what they can do when they get them sorted out? Dunno, but when DA4 releases we'll know for certain if they got it sorted out. But I think they may have it somewhat easier for them, if they're building upon Anthem's codebase. Much less work to be done when it comes to building the general systems, more time to make and (most importantly) polish new stuff. The thing is that the creative process (and life in general) seems to be a game of whack-a-mole. You recognize a problem, divert resources to fix it, make new problem... Then fixing that leads you to make a mistake you thought you solved a long time ago. DA 4 will have flaws the only question is how well will they do the things they do well.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 6, 2019 19:22:55 GMT
Dunno, but when DA4 releases we'll know for certain if they got it sorted out. But I think they may have it somewhat easier for them, if they're building upon Anthem's codebase. Much less work to be done when it comes to building the general systems, more time to make and (most importantly) polish new stuff. The thing is that the creative process (and life in general) seems to be a game of whack-a-mole. You recognize a problem, divert resources to fix it, make new problem... Then fixing that leads you to make a mistake you thought you solved a long time ago. DA 4 will have flaws the only question is how well will they do the things they do well. Oh, it's guaranteed that DA4 will have flaws. Name me one game (or anything, really) that doesn't have them. I was just pointing out that there's a chance that they'll have an easier time for this one.
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