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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2019 10:48:25 GMT
Really, you're reading the roadmap, and are still optimistic? There is a ton of stuff on there for April, and here we are with a week left in the month on the day they do the livestream, and we haven't seen any of it. Sunken is on the roadmap for April and they're just now revealing it with one week left in the month. So if we even see that in April is iffy. Seeing 'Sunken' in April isn't the slightest bit 'iffy'. Other locked cortex entries, perhaps. Given the outcry over the Schreier article indicating developers had to 'crunch' so much to get the game out, it would be ironic if gamers would now get all angry if the developers have a little breathing room of a few extra days for that. What do you mean it's not the slightest bit iffy. There is no guarantee that the livestream will also signal the release. They're 14 items on the roadmap for April, 14. None of which we've been given any solid details on, let alone been released. Unless this is going to be the mother of all livestreams, we're not getting this stuff in April. And players would have every right to be upset that they can't even stick to a roadmap they made. It has nothing to do with not wanting to have an extreme crunch period. If they had put out most of the content on the roadmap for this month and players were demanding even last bit of it you may have a point. But they haven't put out any of it yet. Legendary Missions - Phase 2 Guilds Leaderboards Weekly Stronghold Challenge Mastery System New Items Shaper Surge Cortex Locked x 6 The Sunken If they're not going make it they need to redo the roadmap on their site with a schedule they can stick by rather than just letting the month go by without even giving an update on any of this stuff. The fact that we haven't even seen any details on what most of this stuff actually is makes me think that they're way behind on it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 21, 2019 10:52:59 GMT
What do you mean it's not the slightest bit iffy. There is no guarantee that the livestream will also signal the release. Here we are: "Anthem @anthemgame 11 Apr The next #AnthemGame livestream will be on April 17th at 3pm Central Time. Tune in as @benirvo and special guests talk about The Sunken, a new Stronghold coming later this month."
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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2019 11:02:20 GMT
What do you mean it's not the slightest bit iffy. There is no guarantee that the livestream will also signal the release. Here we are: "Anthem @anthemgame 11 Apr The next #AnthemGame livestream will be on April 17th at 3pm Central Time. Tune in as @benirvo and special guests talk about The Sunken, a new Stronghold coming later this month." It's ironic that you would reference something that didn't even happen to give people faith that they're going to stick by their schedule.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 21, 2019 11:04:45 GMT
It's ironic that you would reference something that didn't even happen to give people faith that they're going to stick by their schedule. No irony, it was the livestream that was delayed, not the content. What are you struggling with understanding? It's plain enough.
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Post by solomace on Apr 21, 2019 11:07:26 GMT
Seeing 'Sunken' in April isn't the slightest bit 'iffy'. Other locked cortex entries, perhaps. Given the outcry over the Schreier article indicating developers had to 'crunch' so much to get the game out, it would be ironic if gamers would now get all angry if the developers have a little breathing room of a few extra days for that. What do you mean it's not the slightest bit iffy. There is no guarantee that the livestream will also signal the release. They're 14 items on the roadmap for April, 14. None of which we've been given any solid details on, let alone been released. Unless this is going to be the mother of all livestreams, we're not getting this stuff in April. And players would have every right to be upset that they can't even stick to a roadmap they made. It has nothing to do with not wanting to have an extreme crunch period. If they had put out most of the content on the roadmap for this month and players were demanding even last bit of it you may have a point. But they haven't put out any of it yet. Legendary Missions - Phase 2 Guilds Leaderboards Weekly Stronghold Challenge Mastery System New Items Shaper Surge Cortex Locked x 6 The Sunken If they're not going make it they need to redo the roadmap on their site with a schedule they can stick by rather than just letting the month go by without even giving an update on any of this stuff. The fact that we haven't even seen any details on what most of this stuff actually is makes me think that they're way behind on it. Roadmaps... I'm sure a lot on here have seen how Star Wars Battlefront 2 was handled and is still being handled. Failed deadlines - Lots of "coming in Spring/Summer/Autum/Winter" Lots of fluff. Lots of soooon tm... Lots of never happening. SWBF2 failed before it was released when they said free DLC. Why, because nothing is free and the only way they were going to produce DLC, fix bugs, QOL stuff, was by people buying their lootboxes thus given DICE a massive revenue stream to produce what you would hope would be quality DLC. Well, we all know what happened and we all know that EA/DICE tried to make SW into FIFA/Madden and it failed big time and never recovered. It's been on life support ever since and it's revenue stream is pathetic and is reflected in the dlc it's had in 18months. Anthem is virtually the same in that it's revenue stream is pathetic. So the roadmap will also be pathetic and it will be drip feed content that only the hard core will still be around to play. Even one of the hardcore Youtubers who was calling out anyone who was dissing on Anthem and talking how he plays and streams daily and shill,shill, shilling for EA, now talks about Borderlands 3 constantly and talks about more negatives stuff about Anthem then positive. The penny has finally dropped. EA aren't daft and they know the game has failed and they won't be some massive influx of people joining. It's failed both by critics and gamers and is probably worse than Andromeda. Check out the SW forums as it's whats in store for Anthem.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2019 11:16:00 GMT
It's ironic that you would reference something that didn't even happen to give people faith that they're going to stick by their schedule. No irony, it was the livestream that was delayed, not the content. What are you struggling with understanding? It's plain enough. What's plain enough is that they haven't stuck to anything they've said so far, but you're expecting people in this case to say, 'since they've said it, it's definitely going to come to pass'. How is them saying this is coming later this month any different that the other 13 things on the roadmap that were coming this month? I'm at the I'll believe when I see it stage at this point.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 21, 2019 11:52:08 GMT
What's plain enough is that they haven't stuck to anything they've said so far Like what? What hasn't been met? The other items on the roadmap are for April and it's still April.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2019 11:54:50 GMT
What's plain enough is that they haven't stuck to anything they've said so far Like what? What hasn't been met? The other items on the roadmap are for April and it's still April. Okay, I'll see you back here May 1st. Just remember you asked for it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 21, 2019 11:58:57 GMT
Okay, I'll see you back here May 1st. Just remember you asked for it. So you have nothing, I thought so. Yes, let's see in May how April panned out. Unless of course, they explain that there's been a change, because their website says: "* The below is subject to changes as we are exploring content and listening to our community feedback."
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Post by solomace on Apr 21, 2019 12:22:47 GMT
Like what? What hasn't been met? The other items on the roadmap are for April and it's still April. Okay, I'll see you back here May 1st. Just remember you asked for it. Don't bother. He's already played his get out of jail free card. Whatever you say, the goal posts will change to prove you wrong and him right. Deep down you, me and plenty of others can see through the bull that is the roadmap and any disclaimers that come with it. Same as the E3 Demo and the final version. Some people on here just like they were with Andromeda, accept and swallow anything as long as a it's stamped Bioware.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2019 12:57:01 GMT
Okay, I'll see you back here May 1st. Just remember you asked for it. Don't bother. He's already played his get out of jail free card. Whatever you say, the goal posts will change to prove you wrong and him right. Deep down you, me and plenty of others can see through the bull that is the roadmap and any disclaimers that come with it. Same as the E3 Demo and the final version. Some people on here just like they were with Andromeda, accept and swallow anything as long as a it's stamped Bioware. The thing is, common sense tells you that you don't even need to wait until the month runs out the see this stuff. Anything not covered Tuesday is not coming out this month. They're not going the throw out guilds without a preview of how they work. Or the mastery system, leaderboards of any of this stuff. How anyone can accept a company putting out what may be 1 of 14 things they said they would and saying well, we said things are subject to change is beyond me.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 21, 2019 13:22:25 GMT
Don't bother. He's already played his get out of jail free card. Whatever you say, the goal posts will change to prove you wrong and him right. Deep down you, me and plenty of others can see through the bull that is the roadmap and any disclaimers that come with it. Same as the E3 Demo and the final version. Some people on here just like they were with Andromeda, accept and swallow anything as long as a it's stamped Bioware. How anyone can accept a company putting out what may be 1 of 14 things they said they would and saying well, we said things are subject to change is beyond me. It's probably more about not wanting to admit that Bioware is on their way to mess up yet again (thus loosing the argument) rather than actually thinking it's fine that they aren't delivering.
Bioware Austin used to only have SWTOR, now they got Anthem along with it's messy code and unfortunate engine. If they didn't have some solid updates prepared before the release, then it's unlikely they will be on top of their game. Especially since they are preparing some big expansion for SWTOR at the same time...
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 21, 2019 13:35:43 GMT
I would prefer BioWare not to mess up, they certainly did with the bugs at launch and have paid for that with a significant reputational hit.
In the light of the Schreier articles, they have clearly moved to a position of 'do' not 'talk', hence the silence.
I would be very disappointed if the stronghold, guilds and some other items don't drop before the month end, though I'd be less fussed if a cortex locked event happened early May instead of late April.
Cataclysm will be the big one. We still don't know what it is, but my expectation was set by the E3 2017 teaser.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2019 13:45:21 GMT
I guess I haven't answered the topic question.
The game needs more content, and if we're talking redemption of Faith in the company, they need to release it when they said they were. If most of April's stuff doesn't come out in April, why would anyone have faith that Cataclysm will come out in May. If they said it's subject to change is going to be the answer to everything, they need to take the roadmap down altogether.
They need to fix the loot system. I'm not a looter shooter vet and I think this system sucks. One of my friends that moved to the Division II said 'I can go do 7 or 8 things on Destiny right now that will guarantee an endgame item drop, on Anthem, technically there's zero." I don't play Destiny games so I don't know if this is true.
I stopped playing because there was no incentive to advance through the content. If there's nothing that GM2 or GM3 offer that GM1 doesn't, why play them. Why put in the extra time and effort if I'm not going to get anything more than what I'm currently getting. I know Bioware put out a job rec for an item design specialist, but you shouldn't have to be one, or even a game developer at all to understand this. It should be common sense. If Sunken is operating on the same loot system, and there's nothing new to get there, I'm not even going to pick this game back up to play it. People will just have a new dungeon on each GM level that they can play for crappy loot drops. What is the incentive?
They need to change the mission design, leverage the flying and vertical aspect of the game in missions. If Legendary missions - Phase II comes out and it's still guard this spot while I analyze something, or collect pieces and bring them back to this spot. Once again no incentive to start playing again.
In Summary, they need to revamp core aspects of the game, not just keep adding things on top of those poor mechanics.
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Post by solomace on Apr 21, 2019 13:48:04 GMT
How anyone can accept a company putting out what may be 1 of 14 things they said they would and saying well, we said things are subject to change is beyond me. It's probably more about not wanting to admit that Bioware is on their way to mess up yet again (thus loosing the argument) rather than actually thinking it's fine that they aren't delivering.
Bioware Austin used to only have SWTOR, now they got Anthem along with it's messy code and unfortunate engine. If they didn't have some solid updates prepared before the release, then it's unlikely they will be on top of their game. Especially since they are preparing some big expansion for SWTOR at the same time...
I think this is it in a nutshell. These forums are based on Bioware lovers which I used to be, yet it's clear many on here acknowledge and accept that the Bioware now is crap, whereas others as you've said just cannot accept that. I will always love Bioware of old that produced Kotor, ME and Jade, but I accept that Bioware of the last 5 years is not that Bioware, it's just a hollow name now, with very little ties to the games I love. It seems too many on here think Bioware is still Bioware and refuse to believe it's not.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 21, 2019 14:45:43 GMT
There have been more freeplay events than Shaper surge as well. They're not publicised much though. As for the outcry thing it will be interesting to see if those that wanted a boycott against EA/Bioware for the crunch habits will boycott CP2077 etc. Just kidding, we all know the answer to that. they will gladly preorder it sweep any crunch under the carpet. What I find interesting is you having a dig at people that will probably pre-order CP2077 saying they will sweep the crunch under the carpet, yet you already know what's been documented about Anthem and you still play it? Surely knowing what you know you should be advocating not playing this game? What's the difference? Just kidding, we all know the answer to that. One company makes great games, one used to and now releases pap, so people will gladly sweep stuff under the carpet for a great game. Red, Witcher 3, all great games with dubious working practices, all were called out and yet the games were still great. I know it's not the best environment for the devs probably in most companies, but guess what, I live in the real world where I have my own issues at work, family, health, etc and I don't need to take on others issues when it comes to my entertainment. Here's my £80, give me a fun game so I can escape from the RL shit. How that "game" came about, I care, but actually don't care enough. Q.e.d.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 21, 2019 15:33:19 GMT
What I find interesting is you having a dig at people that will probably pre-order CP2077 saying they will sweep the crunch under the carpet, yet you already know what's been documented about Anthem and you still play it? Surely knowing what you know you should be advocating not playing this game? What's the difference? Just kidding, we all know the answer to that. One company makes great games, one used to and now releases pap, so people will gladly sweep stuff under the carpet for a great game. Red, Witcher 3, all great games with dubious working practices, all were called out and yet the games were still great. I know it's not the best environment for the devs probably in most companies, but guess what, I live in the real world where I have my own issues at work, family, health, etc and I don't need to take on others issues when it comes to my entertainment. Here's my £80, give me a fun game so I can escape from the RL shit. How that "game" came about, I care, but actually don't care enough. Q.e.d. That’s actually what developers were fearing what would happen when Jason’s article came out. Thinking on what Jim Sterling said about CPDRs rumors regarding their business practices should a great game come at a cost of bad practices? Jim says no and I do agree with him, but a game like Cyberpunk is something I’m interested in (though not a strong interest). BioWare is sadly no different from the other triple A companies though. However, we as gamers and consumers have got to do something about these terrible working conditions if we want to avoid developers burning out or worse.
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Post by solomace on Apr 21, 2019 16:03:28 GMT
as gamers and consumers have got to do something about these terrible working conditions if we want to avoid developers burning out or worse. As much as I can understand the sentiment, I'm sorry but Lootboxes, games as a service and games such as Anthem, Fallout etc are should be addressed more than the terrible working conditions that devs have. I'm sorry but if it's so poor, leave. Okay I know it's not that simple, however this issue isn't something that we can sort out because most people who buy these games, don't even care to look at forums or read Kotaku expos, they just want to play great games without getting shafted. Lootboxes are more of a problem than developers health. One directly effect the consumer, the other doesn't. Sorry, I sound callous, but facts are facts. It's down to Bioware to sort it's own house out, same as CD or Bethesda. If you want to do something about this by boycotting buying games from every game company, more power to you, but I think we all know your posting history and if DA4 was to come out tomorrow with an expo on the Bioware magic/crunch, you and others that we all know on here, will buy it. Too many on here talk about how it's wrong but will still buy the games and play them and defend them, but talk about how bad it is on developers. First world problems that shouldn't involve us as consumers. Yep, harsh, but at least I live in the RL.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 21, 2019 16:25:15 GMT
Game devs working conditions are on my personal list of first world problems I don't care about, right underneath Hollywood's gender pay gap.
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as gamers and consumers have got to do something about these terrible working conditions if we want to avoid developers burning out or worse. As much as I can understand the sentiment, I'm sorry but Lootboxes, games as a service and games such as Anthem, Fallout etc are should be addressed more than the terrible working conditions that devs have. I'm sorry but if it's so poor, leave. Okay I know it's not that simple, however this issue isn't something that we can sort out because most people who buy these games, don't even care to look at forums or read Kotaku expos, they just want to play great games without getting shafted. Lootboxes are more of a problem than developers health. One directly effect the consumer, the other doesn't. Sorry, I sound callous, but facts are facts. It's down to Bioware to sort it's own house out, same as CD or Bethesda. If you want to do something about this by boycotting buying games from every game company, more power to you, but I think we all know your posting history and if DA4 was to come out tomorrow with an expo on the Bioware magic/crunch, you and others that we all know on here, will buy it. Too many on here talk about how it's wrong but will still buy the games and play them and defend them, but talk about how bad it is on developers. First world problems that shouldn't involve us as consumers. Yep, harsh, but at least I live in the RL. Of course, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore the bad working conditions in the game development and that goes the same for any other industry. It is something that we consumers should at least care about and try to talk about. You’re right it’s up to BioWare and the other game companies to sort their stuff out but that doesn’t mean we gamers should help.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 21, 2019 16:37:40 GMT
What do you mean it's not the slightest bit iffy. There is no guarantee that the livestream will also signal the release. They're 14 items on the roadmap for April, 14. None of which we've been given any solid details on, let alone been released. Unless this is going to be the mother of all livestreams, we're not getting this stuff in April. And players would have every right to be upset that they can't even stick to a roadmap they made. It has nothing to do with not wanting to have an extreme crunch period. If they had put out most of the content on the roadmap for this month and players were demanding even last bit of it you may have a point. But they haven't put out any of it yet. Legendary Missions - Phase 2 Guilds Leaderboards Weekly Stronghold Challenge Mastery System New Items Shaper Surge Cortex Locked x 6 The Sunken If they're not going make it they need to redo the roadmap on their site with a schedule they can stick by rather than just letting the month go by without even giving an update on any of this stuff. The fact that we haven't even seen any details on what most of this stuff actually is makes me think that they're way behind on it. Roadmaps... I'm sure a lot on here have seen how Star Wars Battlefront 2 was handled and is still being handled. Failed deadlines - Lots of "coming in Spring/Summer/Autum/Winter" Lots of fluff. Lots of soooon tm... Lots of never happening. SWBF2 failed before it was released when they said free DLC. Why, because nothing is free and the only way they were going to produce DLC, fix bugs, QOL stuff, was by people buying their lootboxes thus given DICE a massive revenue stream to produce what you would hope would be quality DLC. Well, we all know what happened and we all know that EA/DICE tried to make SW into FIFA/Madden and it failed big time and never recovered. It's been on life support ever since and it's revenue stream is pathetic and is reflected in the dlc it's had in 18months. Battlefront 2 is still going strong, with its developers claiming that they had many players today as they had for launch.
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Post by solomace on Apr 21, 2019 17:00:43 GMT
Roadmaps... I'm sure a lot on here have seen how Star Wars Battlefront 2 was handled and is still being handled. Failed deadlines - Lots of "coming in Spring/Summer/Autum/Winter" Lots of fluff. Lots of soooon tm... Lots of never happening. SWBF2 failed before it was released when they said free DLC. Why, because nothing is free and the only way they were going to produce DLC, fix bugs, QOL stuff, was by people buying their lootboxes thus given DICE a massive revenue stream to produce what you would hope would be quality DLC. Well, we all know what happened and we all know that EA/DICE tried to make SW into FIFA/Madden and it failed big time and never recovered. It's been on life support ever since and it's revenue stream is pathetic and is reflected in the dlc it's had in 18months. Battlefront 2 is still going strong, with its developers claiming that they had many players today as they had for launch. Context. Game is free with a every box of Weetabix or just as cheap and without any and I mean any stats at all since launch, it's a meaningless statement. They don't release any stats and if you are a follower of the forums since day one, the amount of lies been told by the developers "it's a Landspeeder", broken promises and patch after patch breaking game, it's only a new game mode that brought people back, but once again people are leaving in droves as it's still meh. Sorry, but they don't provide proof so I call butkiss on their statement.
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Post by dirtrider00 on Apr 21, 2019 17:36:18 GMT
Its not about redemption for me. I'm still playing and enjoying the game but my game time is starting to fall off.
Anthem's core game is feeling pretty solid for me though still having some connection drops, especially loading into the rewards area screen. Went back to Destiny for the last 3 days to grind an event and had zero connection issues so I figure the problem isn't on my end.
For me, Anthem needs:
-More work on its connection issues. -Access to the Forge in freeplay. I'm alright with locked loadouts for strongholds and contracts, etc. -Legendary crafting. -Reasons to run GM3 Strongholds. EX: Add a chance for unique(exotic) content to drop from GM3 Strongholds that drop at a higher level than legendary. Need that incentive to spend the time running them. -More content to run(hopefully cataclysms will fill this void once implemented and also drop unique gear not already in game.). As of now, outside of GM2,3 strongholds, this game can be mostly played solo if you are so inclined. -Just for grins, add a romance system in future updates, possibly a new fort. Fort Tarsis is basically offline so I say go for it.
Overall, I think Anthem has its place in the online gaming world. It just needs time to find its footing so it can mature.
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Post by masterwarderz on Apr 21, 2019 23:03:27 GMT
Okay, I'll see you back here May 1st. Just remember you asked for it. Unless of course, they explain that there's been a change, because their website says: Which would mean they didn't stick to their schedule and you were flat out wrong.
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Post by Haruchai01 on Apr 22, 2019 0:28:09 GMT
as gamers and consumers have got to do something about these terrible working conditions if we want to avoid developers burning out or worse. As much as I can understand the sentiment, I'm sorry but Lootboxes, games as a service and games such as Anthem, Fallout etc are should be addressed more than the terrible working conditions that devs have. I'm sorry but if it's so poor, leave. Okay I know it's not that simple, however this issue isn't something that we can sort out because most people who buy these games, don't even care to look at forums or read Kotaku expos, they just want to play great games without getting shafted. Lootboxes are more of a problem than developers health. One directly effect the consumer, the other doesn't. Sorry, I sound callous, but facts are facts. It's down to Bioware to sort it's own house out, same as CD or Bethesda. If you want to do something about this by boycotting buying games from every game company, more power to you, but I think we all know your posting history and if DA4 was to come out tomorrow with an expo on the Bioware magic/crunch, you and others that we all know on here, will buy it. Too many on here talk about how it's wrong but will still buy the games and play them and defend them, but talk about how bad it is on developers. First world problems that shouldn't involve us as consumers. Yep, harsh, but at least I live in the RL. I agree with you, as consumers our first concern will always be and always should be the product that we purchase not the stories behind the manufacture of that purchase. Sure, we can be aware of bad practices such as kids being forced to work in deplorable sweat shop conditions when making our footware/clothing etc but they are the extreme end. When we hear about "terrible working conditions" in first world countries how much is subjective ie: "I don't like my job therefore the conditions are terrible" and how much is "I am being forced to work in terrible conditions", I would suggest hardly anyone in a developed country is forced to do anything that would fit the criteria, don't like the job, find another or lodge a complaint with the relevant authorities. On the flipside we have companies crying poor and "doing it tough" but why should that even register with us as consumers, we don't have access to the financials to confirm the data and have no control as individuals as to how the company is run. Banks are notorious for crying poor when upping fees and charges but still manage to post mega ridiculous profits. Why should we care as consumers, its like a renter going to their landlord and claiming that they cant pay the rent that month because times are tough, why should the landlord care? If the devs are finding it too tough they should look for employment elsewhere, its the best way of forcing change, not going to the public and claiming the job is too hard while still collecting their paycheck. As consumers our first priority has to be the product we purchase and whether we believe we got value for money, not the sob stories behind the purchase. To me its a gullibility thing, like believing a game company when they say they "listened to their customers", if that were in anyway true we would all be full Legendary with one shot inscriptions, be indestructible and have never ending content being released every day. To me what they are actually saying is we decided to put something in place based on our business plan and coincidentally someone or a few people asked for/mentioned it some time back. If conditions are as terrible as some make out then the best course of action would be the people working in those conditions leave, the more experienced workers wouldn't work there, the products being released would be sub standard so wont be purchased, the company either turns things around or goes bust, either way the problem is solved. But as consumers the only power we have to make change is through purchasing or not purchasing, but without first hand access to the real data/story our only concern should be the product.
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