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Post by OhDaniGirl on Apr 13, 2019 1:06:45 GMT
June can't come fast enough. Hopefully we'll get something useful out of EA Play, or E3, or whatever the hell is happening.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 13, 2019 1:09:20 GMT
June can't come fast enough. Hopefully we'll get something useful out of EA Play, or E3, or whatever the hell is happening. 56 days 1344 hours 80640 minutes 4838400 seconds
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 13, 2019 1:12:00 GMT
Well, it appears to be that SW:FO will be focusing on SP with no MP, according to a former Bioware employee that now works on the project. I do hope it means that EA gives Bioware room to focus on SP for DA4, given that their apparent mandate of every game having live service elements isn’t a strict as it appeared to be. Unless they use double standards and forces Bioware on implementing them in their games. Or, you know... they just want co-op and multiplayer in their games at some capacity? They've had multiplayer/online elements in their games long before they were mandated. I didn’t say that DA4 shouldn’t have MP. My point was more on DA4 being more similar to Anthem then DAI in this regard.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 13, 2019 1:22:17 GMT
Or, you know... they just want co-op and multiplayer in their games at some capacity? They've had multiplayer/online elements in their games long before they were mandated. I didn’t say that DA4 shouldn’t have MP. My point was more on DA4 being more similar to Anthem then DAI in this regard. Even Schreier's thin-on-details article and sources that seem to not be that close to DA4 development team dismiss the idea and say that Anthem was always supposed to be its own thing, while DA and ME - their own. I'm aware that plans change and I'm more than sure that we'll see some things they've either transferred or learned from Anthem, because previous titles always inform subsequent ones in one way or another - but I wouldn't worry too much about DA4 being 'like Anthem' at this point in time.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 13, 2019 2:13:35 GMT
It just isn't huge on boundaries. Whenever we do try and respect our boundaries we get called racists for doing so. Just can't win. I have no idea what part of the world you hail from, but if I had to guess I imagine you would have been saying all that in German if not for the US. How is that for perspective?
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 13, 2019 2:36:12 GMT
Whenever we do try and respect our boundaries we get called racists for doing so. Just can't win. I have no idea what part of the world you hail from, but if I had to guess I imagine you would have been saying all that in German if not for the US. How is that for perspective?... Yup, way to stick to the topic.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 13, 2019 4:02:01 GMT
Whatever this "American culture" thing was can end, now.
This thread is for discussion of the Kotaku article about Dragon Age.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 13, 2019 12:45:57 GMT
I dont want Anthem with a Dragon Age skin I want a Dragon Age game. I wish bioware could get away from EA. that's good because if you read the article Schrier says we won't get a DA game like that. Someone should tell the pundits on youtube that...
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 13, 2019 12:56:09 GMT
that's good because if you read the article Schrier says we won't get a DA game like that. Someone should tell the pundits on youtube that... We could, but what are the odds they'll put it in their videos...?
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 13, 2019 13:49:27 GMT
that's good because if you read the article Schrier says we won't get a DA game like that. Someone should tell the pundits on youtube that...
Youtube pundits probably created their content before the article. In any case, I agree with Schrier.
DA4 will be a DA game in name only. The current teaser is an attempt to exploit the Codex via a cinematic and nothing else. Example of previous exploitations? Easy. Look at the first Athem teaser. Compare the HUB activity vs game reality. Bustling with people hu?
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Post by goishen on Apr 13, 2019 14:02:39 GMT
You can take that all the way back to DAI.
Remember what they promised us? Only a fraction of that is in game, and truthfully why I think that Laidlaw left.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 13, 2019 14:19:27 GMT
Someone should tell the pundits on youtube that...
Youtube pundits probably created their content before the article. In any case, I agree with Schrier.
DA4 will be a DA game in name only. The current teaser is an attempt to exploit the Codex via a cinematic and nothing else. Example of previous exploitations? Easy. Look at the first Athem teaser. Compare the HUB activity vs game reality. Bustling with people When did Jason say that, exactly? The article clearly mentioned that even in regards of the online features his sources have different opinions, and in a tweet afterwards he clarified that nobody (in his opinion, even Bioware/EA) knows how DA4 will look like. Also, while the teaser is clearly meant to hype the Solas plot, it doesn’t hype any features. And while the game may very well end up as disappointing for all we know, the plot of Solas will be likely handled in the game in some way. You can take that all the way back to DAI. Remember what they promised us? Only a fraction of that is in game, and truthfully why I think that Laidlaw left. Well, the one who made the promises, given that he was the Game Director, was Laidlaw. Although I do give Bioware a leeway for Inquisition, given both the Frostbite implementation and handling 5 platforms...which wouldn’t have happened in my opinion if DA2 would’ve had a proper development time, since inquisition would’ve been released at least another year after the actual release, and in another year inside the new gen. In any case, if Inquisition was the reason behind Laidlaw’s leaving Bioware, he’d have left after Trespasser, and not remain for more years to develop Joplin.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 13, 2019 15:08:23 GMT
And while the game may very well end up as disappointing for all we know, the plot of Solas will be likely handled in the game in some way. Given that the teaser trailer is the only information we have been given in 4 years, it would be really annoying if the game had nothing to do with Solas when it came out or he only played a very minor role in it. At this point it would make more sense for them to concentrate on Solas rather than trying to spend too much effort on some alternative plot, although I imagine the Tevinter/Qunari war will likely form a backdrop to the action. We know from DG that only half the story was told by the end of DAI but the rest was already mapped out, so they already had that to work with. It sounds as though the Joplin spy/agent scenario would have fitted what was intimated at the end of Trespasser and just because the game was rebooted that doesn't mean they dropped the concept completely.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 13, 2019 15:42:32 GMT
Whatever this "American culture" thing was can end, now. Damn. I was still trying to figure out what the hell it was about.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 13, 2019 18:14:57 GMT
And while the game may very well end up as disappointing for all we know, the plot of Solas will be likely handled in the game in some way. Given that the teaser trailer is the only information we have been given in 4 years, it would be really annoying if the game had nothing to do with Solas when it came out or he only played a very minor role in it. At this point it would make more sense for them to concentrate on Solas rather than trying to spend too much effort on some alternative plot, although I imagine the Tevinter/Qunari war will likely form a backdrop to the action. We know from DG that only half the story was told by the end of DAI but the rest was already mapped out, so they already had that to work with. It sounds as though the Joplin spy/agent scenario would have fitted what was intimated at the end of Trespasser and just because the game was rebooted that doesn't mean they dropped the concept completely.
Hm... Why DA4 was rebooted is because it took a different direction from Laidlaw's vision as Creative Director. The key, here, is understanding the reason for this overhaul. EA has been pushing online gaming since 2010. Then came games with MP as the prime focus and recently, EA pushed "live services". The pattern is there .
Take FIFA, as an example. A perfect game using a minimalistic approach to game development. An astronomical low cost to updating the franchise while flogging it as a new game. Why not strong arm their studios to conform to this revenue stream? Financially it makes sense.
Coming back to DA4. If Bio takes the road to gives us chunks of the story to conform to the "live service" model, I think it's dead out of the gate. Especially if they add co-op play instead of NPCs. NPCs can't buy skins via mtxs. Co-op players can. Character development and story telling with co-op?.... nah. Co-op = MP combat. Solo play? Well, there goes romance. How many solo players continually buy skins/ vanity items?
An alternative is a SP campaign. Perhaps more than one if it's a "live service". We may have a SP campaign for every major characters in the game from their pov... strung along every six months or so. Anthem has shown that players are a voracious lot... this may not really work. So, what else can the studio do?
If anyone can explain how an old fashion DA:I style game can be successful generating constant online revenue stream, I'd like to hear it. In other words, you need what? 200K, 400k, 600K online players daily to generate said revenue stream? And, for how long?
Personally I had high hopes for a Tevinter/Qunari war as an aRPG. Now?... I'll wait and see.... there are other games out there.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 13, 2019 18:55:36 GMT
You do realize that after the teaser, in the blog they explicitely stated the presence in the game of companions and romances, and both teaser and blog were released after the 2017 shake-up?
We have no clue on what the game will be like, and there are chances it might end up as a disappointments or focusing a lot on MP elements. It won’t be a complete overhaul of the franchise’ features. Something will remain there, even in the worst scenario. And that is not certain to happen either, regardless of the pattern in the past (in which only Anthem was a true sign of something different, since the other three last games of Bioware were all SP-focused games, despite which flaws they might have. And Anthem was purposely made to have a Destiny-like game in EA’s collection.).
I do agree in any case on your wait and see approach, though.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 13, 2019 20:02:37 GMT
You do realize that after the teaser, in the blog they explicitely stated the presence in the game of companions and romances, and both teaser and blog were released after the 2017 shake-up? Where is that blog post, anyway?
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 13, 2019 20:06:02 GMT
You do realize that after the teaser, in the blog they explicitely stated the presence in the game of companions and romances, and both teaser and blog were released after the 2017 shake-up? Where is that blog post, anyway? It's this one: blog.bioware.com/2018/12/06/thedreadwolfrises/
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 13, 2019 20:07:32 GMT
Coming back to DA4. If Bio takes the road to gives us chunks of the story to conform to the "live service" model, I think it's dead out of the gate. Especially if they add co-op play instead of NPCs. NPCs can't buy skins via mtxs. Co-op players can. Character development and story telling with co-op?.... nah. Co-op = MP combat. Solo play? Well, there goes romance. How many solo players continually buy skins/ vanity items? OTOH, the BG games could be played that way. One player was the hero, the rest... weren't. Don't know if this could work in the 2020s.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 13, 2019 20:10:23 GMT
Thanks. Is it just me, or is that awfully hard to find on their site?
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 13, 2019 20:10:56 GMT
Thanks. Is it just me, or is that awfully hard to find on their site? At the end of page 2 for me...
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 13, 2019 20:15:52 GMT
OK. It is just me. I didn't get through all the Anthem stuff.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 13, 2019 22:15:18 GMT
"... exploring ways to push BioWare’s storytelling to the next level."
Here is the clue, for me. Darrah is telling us the traditional storytelling way is gone. Enter Something like Anthem's
"... continue BioWare’s rich legacy of colorful companions, romance and epic choices ..." Another clue from Goldman, this time. Epic choices? Name some epic ones. I can't remember any. And continue does not mean delivery of said richness. This I learned from Bio's past marketing crapola. Of course, one can choose to take his words at face value.... really?
Given what Bio has said vs delivered in the past and Anthem a very recent memory, I take what Bio says with quite a few grains of Kosher Salt. No sense in getting disappointed again.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 13, 2019 22:33:43 GMT
Here is the clue, for me. Darrah is telling us the traditional storytelling way is gone. Enter Something like Anthem's Now, I might be mistaken, but I distinctly remember Schreier's sources stating that one thing that DA4 won't be is "Anthem with Dragons". There's this excerpt: Rumor among BioWare circles for the past year has been that Morrison is “Anthem with dragons”—a snarky label conveyed to me by several people—but a couple of current BioWare employees have waved me off that description. “The idea was that Anthem would be the online game and that Dragon Age and Mass Effect, while they may experiment with online portions, that’s not what defines them as franchises,” said one. “I don’t think you’ll see us completely change those franchises.”Taking official BioWare statements with a grain of salt... I can respect that decision. That's why I have taken to unofficial statements like the one above as of lately. Helps paint a more accurate picture of the development process.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 13, 2019 23:09:04 GMT
"... exploring ways to push BioWare’s storytelling to the next level."
Here is the clue, for me. Darrah is telling us the traditional storytelling way is gone. Enter Something like Anthem's
"... continue BioWare’s rich legacy of colorful companions, romance and epic choices ..." Another clue from Goldman, this time. Epic choices? Name some epic ones. I can't remember any. And continue does not mean delivery of said richness. This I learned from Bio's past marketing crapola. Of course, one can choose to take his words at face value.... really?
Given what Bio has said vs delivered in the past and Anthem a very recent memory, I take what Bio says with quite a few grains of Kosher Salt. No sense in getting disappointed again.
You are trying too hard.
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