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Post by shaqfu on Apr 9, 2019 21:24:00 GMT
I don't really know what to think about Dragon Age at this point. I like the idea that they wanted to make everything more reactive as well as trimming down all the useless filler. Sounds like what Inquisition was originally aiming for before last gen hardware limits kicked it in the ass. As far as making it a live service game(i hate the term), if it's just for adding in content later I'll live with that. What I don't wanna see is an online shop that updates more then the game(swtor) and useless grinding so they can sell money and xp boosters(Odyssey)
So I'm essentially on a non hyped cautiously wait and see approach at this point.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 9, 2019 21:24:43 GMT
A world to save true, but not by actually fighting or participating on the front anymore. That's made pretty clear. I think those two lines are accomplishing different things, one telling us that the Inquisitor is done as a PC, and the other telling us that they will still be around because it'd be weird if they weren't. BioWare wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and while its an inelegant solution, it does wrap up the Inquisitor's active participation neatly. Well, they can't be 'around' and not have an active role of some sort in active plot of stopping Solas/saving the world, regardless what people think of their participation on the battlefield - something that is hardly ruled out, given that we have epilogue scenes where Inquisitor participates in activities requiring fighting and/or acrobatics (one of Sera's epilogue cards) AND we know that Iron Bull was always going to be a warrior and at some point that warrior was supposed to lack about the same amount of left hand as Inquisitor doesn't have. You know - the Inquisitor: a person that has easy access to money and some of the most brilliant minds in Thedas. If there's one person that is able to find themselves a nifty replacement for a missing appendage, it's one of the richest and most influential people in Southern Thedas. I mean you can take an ending slide and unused character design or you can take the Inquisitor's own words....
I'd love it if the Inquisitor returned as protagonist, but they aren't going to, and that's fine. BioWare has changed protagonists around before to tell different kinds of stories and I'm on board with that kind of shift.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 9, 2019 21:25:02 GMT
Your read on the debate is different than mine. What I hear is (a minority of) people exclaiming that the Inquisitor MUST be the main character of DA4 or else they're not interested in playing it, and then the other side who want a new protagonist arguing with them. Well, that's certainly not my stance - I personally don't mind Inquisitor NOT being the center of attention/main PC; my current position is simply that current story suggests Inquisitors remain important to the story and thus it's not crazy to predict their involvement on some significant level. I wouldn't completely rule out a protagonist, but I am of a mind that if we'd get to control Inkys in DA, it will maybe be at short bursts during some narrative points, with the rest being dedicated to the new PC.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 9, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
First I want to brag, CALLED IT! You’d play as a group of spies in Tevinter Imperium, a wizard-ruled country on the north end of Dragon Age’s main continent, Thedas. I guessed that the PC would be an operative of the Shadow Inquisition, spying on the war between Tevinter and the Qunari. Of course, that was for Joplin, now canceled, so I guess my brag needs an asterisk. Who knows what the PC will be in Morrison. And put me in the Joplin as described sounded kinda bad camp. Too much like Detroit:Betray Humans /s, which I found to be pretty un-replayable. In terms of full replay, anyway. Some sections I reloaded a dozen times from save to explore all the choices in situ, instead of starting a whole new tedious run just to see what happens if you do/don’t shoot the guards.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 9, 2019 21:26:22 GMT
The Inquisitor says ' My own adventuring days may be done'.....Doesn't mean permanently. I like to have the Inquisitor return, but won't complain if a new main character shows up in the next da game
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Post by river82 on Apr 9, 2019 21:27:48 GMT
I have no idea why people like to engage in false hope, it's not good for you emotionally. We've moved on from "maybe it'll release in a year" to "the Inquisition might be the protag in DA4"?
They've already said Dragon Age will have a different protag each time and there's no reason for that to change (and if it were to change, what makes the protag of DA3 special?)
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 9, 2019 21:28:13 GMT
You know - the Inquisitor: a person that has easy access to money and some of the most brilliant minds in Thedas. If there's one person that is able to find themselves a nifty replacement for a missing appendage, it's one of the richest and most influential people in Southern Thedas. One minor reason I want to see the Inky return in some fashion...so I can see Dagna geeking out over the awesome new hand she built. I want a dialogue in which a worried Inquisitor asks her whether they really need THAT many cannons and WTH - a sandwich dispenser is there too!? Also - if there are prosthetic models to pick from, how much you want to bet that one of them will be modelled on Furiosa's prosthetic arm and the other one on the Infinity Gauntlet? ;D
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 9, 2019 21:31:33 GMT
One minor reason I want to see the Inky return in some fashion...so I can see Dagna geeking out over the awesome new hand she built. I want a dialogue in which a worried Inquisitor asks her whether they really need THAT many cannons and WTH - a sandwich dispenser is there too!? Also - if there are prosthetic models to pick from, how much you want to bet that one of them will be modelled on Furiosa's prosthetic arm and the other one on the Infinity Gauntlet? ;D I’d expect one that looks like Ed’s auto mail from Fullmetal Alchemist too.
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Post by river82 on Apr 9, 2019 21:38:07 GMT
First I want to brag, CALLED IT! You’d play as a group of spies in Tevinter Imperium, a wizard-ruled country on the north end of Dragon Age’s main continent, Thedas. I guessed that the PC would be an operative of the Shadow Inquisition, spying on the war between Tevinter and the Qunari. Of course, that was for Joplin, now canceled, so I guess my brag needs an asterisk. Who knows what the PC will be in Morrison. And put me in the Joplin as described sounded kinda bad camp. Too much like Detroit:Betray Humans /s, which I found to be pretty un-replayable. In terms of full replay, anyway. Some sections I reloaded a dozen times from save to explore all the choices in situ, instead of starting a whole new tedious run just to see what happens if you do/don’t shoot the guards. I don't mind a story around spies, but that sort of game is hard to make multiplayer xD
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Post by themikefest on Apr 9, 2019 21:43:17 GMT
You know - the Inquisitor: a person that has easy access to money and some of the most brilliant minds in Thedas. If there's one person that is able to find themselves a nifty replacement for a missing appendage, it's one of the richest and most influential people in Southern Thedas. One minor reason I want to see the Inky return in some fashion...so I can see Dagna geeking out over the awesome new hand she built. Have something like what ustanak has for an arm in resident evil 6. excellent
Or kill a giant, cutoff it's arm, then sew it onto the Inquisitor. A skill tree for the arm. Smash, squeeze, swipe, carry........
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Post by river82 on Apr 9, 2019 21:52:13 GMT
Well, they can't be 'around' and not have an active role of some sort in active plot of stopping Solas/saving the world, regardless what people think of their participation on the battlefield - something that is hardly ruled out, given that we have epilogue scenes where Inquisitor participates in activities requiring fighting and/or acrobatics (one of Sera's epilogue cards) AND we know that Iron Bull was always going to be a warrior and at some point that warrior was supposed to lack about the same amount of left hand as Inquisitor doesn't have. You know - the Inquisitor: a person that has easy access to money and some of the most brilliant minds in Thedas. If there's one person that is able to find themselves a nifty replacement for a missing appendage, it's one of the richest and most influential people in Southern Thedas. I mean you can take an ending slide and unused character design or you can take the Inquisitor's own words....
I'd love it if the Inquisitor returned as protagonist, but they aren't going to, and that's fine. BioWare has changed protagonists around before to tell different kinds of stories and I'm on board with that kind of shift.
The protag will likely be a central figure of the upcoming event. A character's story is never done until they die, but that doesn't mean they will be the central figure of the next story that is told in that world. We'll probably see the Inquisitor, but going from what they've said and what Joplin was, it's almost certain they won't be the protag.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 9, 2019 21:54:04 GMT
Heists? Really? The rest of Joplin sounded really good, but god, that premise alone makes me glad it was scrapped. It sounds like a certain someone's pet idea that no one was brave enough to say no to.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 9, 2019 21:56:44 GMT
First I want to brag, CALLED IT! I guessed that the PC would be an operative of the Shadow Inquisition, spying on the war between Tevinter and the Qunari. Of course, that was for Joplin, now canceled, so I guess my brag needs an asterisk. Who knows what the PC will be in Morrison. And put me in the Joplin as described sounded kinda bad camp. Too much like Detroit:Betray Humans /s, which I found to be pretty un-replayable. In terms of full replay, anyway. Some sections I reloaded a dozen times from save to explore all the choices in situ, instead of starting a whole new tedious run just to see what happens if you do/don’t shoot the guards. I don't mind a story around spies, but that sort of game is hard to make multiplayer xD Well, the 'story about spies' is a very spacious concept, so that doesn't really tell us much on its own... who will be spying on whom, or infiltrating who, sniffing out who, or who we will (presumably) steal valuable stuff from, or whether it will be more about going out and organizing skirmishes and heating tensions, or doing covert research and planning actions with potentially huuuuge consequences (like the Qunari did in Trespasser) and so on. There's a ton of stuff spies can do - and that's all aside from not knowing who we may turn out to work for We may guess, based on past material, but even that can lead us nowhere. (my two potential wishes that we may be actually working for secretive Executors, orrrrr we may be ourselves spies who are supposed to spy on organization/friends we officially work with can still materialize too )
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Apr 9, 2019 21:57:05 GMT
Heists? Really? The rest of Joplin sounded really good, but god, that premise alone makes me glad it was scrapped. It sounds like a certain someone's pet idea that no one was brave enough to say no to. Well, they are already doing quite a bit of this in the comics, so I wouldn't rule it out.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 9, 2019 22:06:26 GMT
I mean you can take an ending slide and unused character design or you can take the Inquisitor's own words....
I'd love it if the Inquisitor returned as protagonist, but they aren't going to, and that's fine. BioWare has changed protagonists around before to tell different kinds of stories and I'm on board with that kind of shift.
The protag will likely be a central figure of the upcoming event. A character's story is never done until they die, but that doesn't mean they will be the central figure of the next story that is told in that world. We'll probably see the Inquisitor, but going from what they've said and what Joplin was, it's almost certain they won't be the protag. I think it will be hard to call anybody a central figure in the story with that many characters and plot points and span across decades or more... is this really any protagonist's story, when we had 3 already in something that clearly has an overarching plot? An argument can be made that Solas is actually the one who doesn't just have a central role, but a lot of the story in Inquisition actually centered around him. I also tend to bring Oblivion as the game where... we don't really play the central character to the story - oh, we help things happen, thanks to which we're vital. to the story in a way no other character is, but the main character of that tale is actually a NPC we've been helping since the beginning of the main campaign. The sentiment actually existed in Magekiller comic for DA, where a lot of emphasis has been put in the fact that the side-characters have actively helped Inquisitor reach the place of final confrontation with Corypheus, thus had a direct role in defeating him. I have a feeling we may see a lot of that in DA4.
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Post by river82 on Apr 9, 2019 22:16:19 GMT
The protag will likely be a central figure of the upcoming event. A character's story is never done until they die, but that doesn't mean they will be the central figure of the next story that is told in that world. We'll probably see the Inquisitor, but going from what they've said and what Joplin was, it's almost certain they won't be the protag. I think it will be hard to call anybody a central figure in the story with that many characters and plot points and spans across decades or more... is this really any protagonist's story, when we had 3 already in something that clearly has an overarching plot? An argument can be made that Solas is actually the one who doesn't just have a central role, but a lot of the story in Inquisition actually centered around him. I also tend to bring Oblivion as the game where... we don't really play the central character to the story - oh, we help things happen, thanks to which we're vital. to the story in a way no other character is, but the main character of that tale is actually a NPC we've been helping since the beginning of the main campaign. The sentiment actually existed in Magekiller comic for DA, where a lot of emphasis has been put in the fact that the side-characters have actively helped Inquisitor reach the place of final confrontation with Corypheus, thus had a direct role in defeating him. I have a feeling we may see a lot of that in DA4. Not the central figure in the overall story, but a central figure in the event covered in DA:4. That's how DA is being structured anyway. I mean, Hawke played an extremely minor role in the overall story of Dragon Age yet was the playable character/protag (whatever) for DA:2 (because of their proximity to Anders ahahaha ...)
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Post by Iakus on Apr 9, 2019 22:20:28 GMT
What a stupid rule. Screw telling a good story, no we got to have a new person each time. That was a HORRIBLE decision. Originally Hawke was supposed to carry the series through but the character wasn't well received so Hawke was abandoned. Citation needed. From my understanding DAI was always going to have a new protagonist
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Post by Iakus on Apr 9, 2019 22:24:48 GMT
I don't mind a story around spies, but that sort of game is hard to make multiplayer xD Well, the 'story about spies' is a very spacious concept, so that doesn't really tell us much on its own... who will be spying whom, or infiltrating who, sniffing out who, or who we will (presumably) steal valuable stuff from, or whether it will be more about going outy and organize skirmishes and incite tensions or doing covert research and planning actions with potentially huuuuge consequences (like the Qunari did in Trespasser) and so on. There's a ton of stuff spies can do, and that's aside from not knowing who we may turn out to work for We may guess, based on past material, but even that can lead us to nowhere. (my two potential wishes that we may be actually working for secretive Executors, orrrrr we may be ourselves spies who are supposed to spy on organization and friends we officially work with can still materialize too ) I'd hate Anthem with dragons. But I would have LOVED Alpha Protocol with dragons!
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Post by river82 on Apr 9, 2019 22:25:05 GMT
That was a HORRIBLE decision. Originally Hawke was supposed to carry the series through but the character wasn't well received so Hawke was abandoned. Citation needed. From my understanding DAI was always going to have a new protagonist IIRC this decision was made so they didn't have to include epic consequences for all your possible choices for the Warden? I think? Can't remember. It makes sense though, have a new protag for each entry and suddenly choice and consequence isn't so important, which frees up developers. I mean, you can have choice and consequence within games, but it'd be a gigantic pain if the consequences had to be continuous over the entire series
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 9, 2019 22:25:39 GMT
Heists? Really? The rest of Joplin sounded really good, but god, that premise alone makes me glad it was scrapped. It sounds like a certain someone's pet idea that no one was brave enough to say no to. Well, they are already doing quite a bit of this in the comics, so I wouldn't rule it out. True - and we have to keep in mind that the comics are quite recent; made with whatever current plans they have. I also wouldn't take the description too literally, especially given how vague all the other details are; there's no way of telling what such 'heist' would really look like, whether this is the main thing we'd be focused on (though I wouldn't mind a live service where we get a series of heists to complete, in contrast to missions like 'go there and kill that boss' or something), or mostly used a narrative framing for some main story beats. ...I also can't say I dislike the idea, especially that it falls into what I suspected and voiced on occasion DA4 may be: a cat and mouse chase, presumably after Solas (which may include trying to get something his agents want, or stopping them from doing something, etc.) on the background of large Tevinter-Qunari conflict. Such approach will also keep the scope in check - like, when I think about all the potential things that could happen in DA4, what with both Solas and his plans towards the world AND whatever shenanigans happen between Tevinter and Qunari AND all the different threads and set-ups we saw in DAI or even previous titles my head wants to explode. And aside from the fact that a lot of this stuff may as well resolve itself only in chapters past DA4, I think the approach where we're slinking through the story of greater conflict that we *may* try and resole through more covert ways also serves as a good contrast/reprieve from large diplomatic/military endeavors of the preceding chapter.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 9, 2019 22:33:34 GMT
That was a HORRIBLE decision. Originally Hawke was supposed to carry the series through but the character wasn't well received so Hawke was abandoned. Citation needed. From my understanding DAI was always going to have a new protagonist I don’t think they meant at the start of DAI’s development, but during DA2’s. At least, it appears to be so, given that the original Skyhold concept art, where the Inquisitor Walks towards the castle, he’s Followed by a female archer elf with a mowhak...the same one that appeared in one of the first DA2’s development trailer, with Laidlaw, Darrah and Goldman, where a concept video of a four man party was shown, with that elf character, a two handed warrior qunari, and a sword and shield warrior Warden. Both of which seem to have became Bull and Blackwall, and all three aren’t remotely similar to companions we got in DA2. The development of DA2 was a complicated and I recall that the idea of inquisition was thought of before Exodus, which became DA2. It’s possible that the two project shared only some concept, but it makes little sense to show that concept video if the idea of having Hawke as the Inquisitor later on wasn’t at least considered. Expecially if you remember the marketing of Hawke as becoming the most important person in Thedas, as well as Corypheus being originally tied with Hawke’s story (and I mantain the opinion, regardless of overall preference of the Inquisitor to Hawke, that having the latter opposite to Corypheus would’ve worked better, as in the overall plot and situations of DAI). Not to mention that they started hinting at Flemeth’s indentity with the connection with the dalish, or the fact that the start of inquisition is directly not connected to the events of DA2 (Cassandra searching for him works partially, because she searched the Warden as well).
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 9, 2019 22:42:00 GMT
Oof. Another article? Shreier twice in a row blacklisted by Bioware. First Bethesda now BW, and all he has to do is expose the truth. Actual gaming journalism, so rare.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 9, 2019 22:57:00 GMT
Sounds like a dark souls concept for the new version...
Not sure if thats a good idea, we shall see.
The joplin version sounds like a good side game if anything. Not sure for a full game.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 9, 2019 23:03:42 GMT
I'm not going to waste any time shedding tears about a game that was already killed before I ever even knew it existed.
As I expected, there is absolutely no useful info in this article at all to tell me whether DA4 is going to be a game I might actually want to play.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 9, 2019 23:04:52 GMT
Oof. Another article? Shreier twice in a row blacklisted by Bioware. First Bethesda now BW, and all he has to do is expose the truth. Actual gaming journalism, so rare. If there's one thing Jason Schreier has exposed in this particular article is that he has very little in terms of actual concrete information on DA4, hence 70% of whole article is a rehash of what we know already and 25% is his own speculation on the matter, with maybe 5% of what we could consider as new (albeit super-vague and possibly somewhat outdated) info...
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