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Post by Haruchai01 on Apr 22, 2019 23:50:41 GMT
If Sunken is all they put out this month, and everything else on the April roadmap is moved, they deserve every bit of negativity, player backlash, and bad press they get. They sold a game with minimal content under the promise that content was coming, and to look at the roadmap for proof. That's fair. I suspect the reality will be neither 'only the Stronghold' or 'everything in April', but we'll know exactly tomorrow. <iframe width="23.96" height="5.44" id="MoatPxIOPT0_52821808" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -5px; width: 23.96px; height: 5.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="23.96" height="5.44" id="MoatPxIOPT0_85312434" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px; width: 23.96px; height: 5.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="23.96" height="5.44" id="MoatPxIOPT0_80235730" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 210px; width: 23.96px; height: 5.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="23.96" height="5.44" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69604546" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 210px; width: 23.96px; height: 5.44px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> I honestly hope its more than expected or I can envisage a shock wave from all the shoulders slumping. So many have tried to defend the game, myself included but I would reasonably assume many are on the brink and an underdone patch for whatever reason would only confirm the negative views in my opinion. Anyway, we don't have long to wait and see, my fingers are crossed for at least some kind of redemption.
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Post by biggydx on Apr 23, 2019 1:58:12 GMT
Honestly, I keep my bar low and hope that each patch doesn't ruin another part of the game.
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Post by river82 on Apr 23, 2019 5:14:15 GMT
So let's see if I can still add up. 1 and 1 is …
3. Livestream in 3 hours :3
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 23, 2019 6:52:15 GMT
So let's see if I can still add up. 1 and 1 is … Yes, assuming maintenance is done as scheduled at noon Central, then people will have 3 hours to explore before the livestream.
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 23, 2019 9:36:50 GMT
So let's see if I can still add up. 1 and 1 is … Yes, assuming maintenance is done as scheduled at noon Central, then people will have 3 hours to explore before the livestream. Omg if they find glaring bugs in those 3 hours, that livestream is going to be toxiiiiiiiiic. *fingers crossed*
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 23, 2019 11:07:47 GMT
Note that the patch is 1.1.0 and not 1.0.5. Mmmm... so? Do you know how build numbering work? (sorry if I answered to a known troll)
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Post by shinobiwan on Apr 23, 2019 12:02:03 GMT
Note that the patch is 1.1.0 and not 1.0.5. Mmmm... so? Do you know how build numbering work? (sorry if I answered to a troll) So... Bioware thinks this is a more significant update than any that came before it. Do YOU know how build numbering works? (Sorry if I answered to a moron)
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 23, 2019 12:17:41 GMT
Yeah, it's an update, not a patch. It's supposed to comes with a new stronghold, so it's 1.1.0.
Also, lol.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 23, 2019 17:19:02 GMT
Yes, assuming maintenance is done as scheduled at noon Central, then people will have 3 hours to explore before the livestream. Omg if they find glaring bugs in those 3 hours, that livestream is going to be toxiiiiiiiiic. *fingers crossed* I think the stream will be toxic regardless. Because this update does almost nothing to address the core Loot problems of the game, which, as a Looter Shooter, is the games most pressing issue currently. I honestly believe until Bioware finally once and for all addresses and deals with the games broken Loot system, everything they do will be met with cynicism and toxicity.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 23, 2019 17:35:03 GMT
Omg if they find glaring bugs in those 3 hours, that livestream is going to be toxiiiiiiiiic. *fingers crossed*I think the stream will be toxic regardless. Because this update does almost nothing to address the core Loot problems of the game, which, as a Looter Shooter, is the games most pressing issue currently. I honestly believe until Bioware finally once and for all addresses and deals with the games broken Loot system, everything they do will be met with cynicism and toxicity.
Loot needs to be raining from the heavens like it was after the first patch. The one they said was a bug and reversed. They have to get people back playing, or there won't be enough people around when they finally roll out a lot of new content. They're putting out another stronghold. Great, but if it's just another place where people will get crappy loot drops, that's not going to entice people to come back or continue playing.
I saw an article about EA cutting bonuses to avoid layoffs, and how if Anthem's revenue doesn't pickup they'll have to start laying people at Bioware off. I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't be shocked. Either way they need to do something to stimulate the game, and it has to be done sooner rather than later.
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Post by traks on Apr 23, 2019 17:42:29 GMT
IMO the game needs better story content first and foremost. What's the point of collecting loot if there is no great story content to play with that loot? But that might be me, being a single player focused player. I need better story missions, better mission design, more context about the world (what do the factions want, what is the problem we gotta solve, why is the freeplay world the way it is, etc.) to stay interested long-term.
I mean ME3MP's design is even more repetitive, but I still play it, because I love the ME universe. The main reason for that: great story missions. So if they give us reasons to fall in love with the Anthem universe...
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 23, 2019 18:17:27 GMT
I think the stream will be toxic regardless. Because this update does almost nothing to address the core Loot problems of the game, which, as a Looter Shooter, is the games most pressing issue currently. I honestly believe until Bioware finally once and for all addresses and deals with the games broken Loot system, everything they do will be met with cynicism and toxicity.
Loot needs to be raining from the heavens like it was after the first patch. The one they said was a bug and reversed. They have to get people back playing, or there won't be enough people around when they finally roll out a lot of new content. They're putting out another stronghold. Great, but if it's just another place where people will get crappy loot drops, that's not going to entice people to come back or continue playing.
I saw an article about EA cutting bonuses to avoid layoffs, and how if Anthem's revenue doesn't pickup they'll have to start laying people at Bioware off. I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't be shocked. Either way they need to do something to stimulate the game, and it has to be done sooner rather than later.
I agree, to get the people coming back the core had to be finished: a decent loot system. P
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 23, 2019 19:45:23 GMT
15 minutes to the Livestream...
Cameron Dayton @camerondayton Hopping into today's stream - silently. But I'll be all kinds of shiny.
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Post by NotN7 on Apr 23, 2019 20:48:47 GMT
Well so much for team play i.e. weakness and strengths so all I have to do is change out my gear during play when I find I'm lacking sorry but that's BS and not to mention I don't have to go to the fort for anything? again BS, I think I'm done I don't like being cratered to because of those who don't want to play as the game was intended to be played sorry but if you suck you suck so get good or leave don't do me any favors cause your not what a bunch of wimps
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Post by Thrombin on Apr 23, 2019 20:52:00 GMT
Not the most scintillating live stream in the world. The lack of sound and easy difficulty level made the Stronghold more background than anything particularly involving or exciting. The last room was the only thing that seemed particularly eye-catching.
Having the stronghold in the background would still have been fine except that the hosts were rather flat. Developers don't often make good speakers and they seemed to be struggling to say anything particularly interesting.
They asked for chat questions but didn't find any they wanted to answer (they said the loot and future stuff was addressed in a recent post elsewhere and they wouldn't be addressing that). Even so, I'm sure there were relevant questions they could have responded to.
I particularly wanted to know how the gear challenges would work now that you can change your gear in the mdidle of a mission (which I still think is a rather significant thing to be having to suspend disbelief over in terms of in-game logic)
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 23, 2019 20:54:50 GMT
Not the most scintillating live stream in the world. The lack of sound and easy difficulty level made the Stronghold more background than anything particularly involving or exciting. The last room was the only thing that seemed particularly eye-catching. Having the stronghold in the background would still have been fine except that the hosts were rather flat. Developers don't often make good speakers and they seemed to be struggling to say anything particularly interesting. They asked for chat questions but didn't find any they wanted to answer (they said the loot and future stuff was addressed in a recent post elsewhere and they wouldn't be addressing that). Even so, I'm sure there were relevant questions they could have responded to. I particularly wanted to know how the gear challenges would work now that you can change your gear in the mdidle of a mission (which I still think is a rather significant thing to be having to suspend disbelief over in terms of in-game logic) I would assume it was easier difficulty to just show off the stronghold. I didn't watch the stream, was too busy playing the stronghold a few times. I presume the chat was flooded with questions they either can't answer or addressed from their reddit post.
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Post by Thrombin on Apr 23, 2019 21:01:21 GMT
Well so much for team play i.e. weakness and strengths so all I have to do is change out my gear during play when I find I'm lacking sorry but that's BS and not to mention I don't have to go to the fort for anything? again BS, I think I'm done I don't like being cratered to because of those who don't want to play as the game was intended to be played sorry but if you suck you suck so get good or leave don't do me any favors cause your not what a bunch of wimps
It lessens the immersion for the role-player but adds convenience for the grinder. Maybe, once new story content arrives we'll have a reason to walk the fort again but I do see it as an erosion of the spirit of that side of the game.
The gear changing adds a new dimension for tactics, choosing the right stuff for the right section of the stronghold, but it makes no sense in-game and, even gameplay-wise, I can't help thinking it makes the choices too easy now you don't actually have to compromise on anything.
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Post by Thrombin on Apr 23, 2019 21:04:54 GMT
I would assume it was easier difficulty to just show off the stronghold. I didn't watch the stream, was too busy playing the stronghold a few times. I presume the chat was flooded with questions they either can't answer or addressed from their reddit post.
It was too fast for me to read but, yes, chat was mostly about the loot or general criticisms rather than questions, as far as I could see.
I tried to get my question in but it would have been a needle in a haystack.
Still I feel if they had had someone there who could capture it and slow it down and extract proper questions there would have been some they could have answered. I got the feeling they were just trying to catch stuff as it flew by and that's just not goint to work!
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Post by cypherj on Apr 23, 2019 21:06:49 GMT
They may as well have not had a livestream. How do you say we're going to look at the questions, and then say we're just not going to answer these questions. Then on top of that, when you do answer a question, you pick a question about what the associate producer's favorite gun is. Then she doesn't even know the difference between weapons and gear. WOW.
They really have no idea what the players want. Why would I start playing the game again the play a dungeon that still doesn't reward the player for their efforts? People want better loot, not more content that still drops crappy loot. Fittingly, the loot they got in livestream on GM1 was crap. Why would this be encouraging to anyone?
They all but abandoned the roadmap. Put out one thing on it.
And this:
Closing
We know you have been waiting for these updates, and that you might not be pleased with where we are today. We understand and respect these perspectives.
The only thing we can say is this – We Believe in Anthem. We believe the game will be great, but we recognize getting there will take a lot of hard work. We want to do that work and we want you all to join us on the journey to get there.
Just say we fucked up.
This kind of statement is like when people say if anyone was offended by my statements, I apologize. Which is basically, I don't think I said anything wrong, but if you got offended, I apologize.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 23, 2019 21:08:22 GMT
Not the most scintillating live stream in the world. The lack of sound and easy difficulty level made the Stronghold more background than anything particularly involving or exciting. The last room was the only thing that seemed particularly eye-catching. Having the stronghold in the background would still have been fine except that the hosts were rather flat. Developers don't often make good speakers and they seemed to be struggling to say anything particularly interesting. They asked for chat questions but didn't find any they wanted to answer (they said the loot and future stuff was addressed in a recent post elsewhere and they wouldn't be addressing that). Even so, I'm sure there were relevant questions they could have responded to. I particularly wanted to know how the gear challenges would work now that you can change your gear in the mdidle of a mission (which I still think is a rather significant thing to be having to suspend disbelief over in terms of in-game logic) I would assume it was easier difficulty to just show off the stronghold. I didn't watch the stream, was too busy playing the stronghold a few times. I presume the chat was flooded with questions they either can't answer or addressed from their reddit post. It was GM1.
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Post by river82 on Apr 23, 2019 21:10:10 GMT
addressed from their reddit post. Lol, Reddit isn't their official forum. There shouldn't be an expectation that people frequent that place for official information. Weak sauce
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Post by river82 on Apr 23, 2019 21:13:25 GMT
They may as well have not had a livestream. How do you say we're going to look at the questions, and then say we're just not going to answer these questions. Their communication with the community continues to be total shithouse
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 23, 2019 21:15:01 GMT
I didn't watch the stream, was too busy playing the stronghold a few times. I presume the chat was flooded with questions they either can't answer or addressed from their reddit post. The whining and mockery in the chat started 2 hours before the stream (at least), it was brutal.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 23, 2019 21:18:21 GMT
addressed from their reddit post. Lol, Reddit isn't their official forum. There shouldn't be an expectation that people frequent that place for official information. Weak sauce I read the post in the twitter thread so *shrug* did they direct people to read that statement. If not then that's a mistake
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Post by river82 on Apr 23, 2019 21:18:38 GMT
I didn't watch the stream, was too busy playing the stronghold a few times. I presume the chat was flooded with questions they either can't answer or addressed from their reddit post. The whining and mockery in the chat started 2 hours before the stream (at least), it was brutal. People say "BSN is a toxic place" or "Reddit is a toxic place" and they're not. I mean, if you have to cloister yourself in a small group of 20 people to get any sort of positive discussion then it's not specific places, the community itself is in a bad place at the moment. BSN and Reddit just reflect that. Bioware will have to work hard to get people back on side
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