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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2019 11:37:52 GMT
This was posted in another thread, but it seems like something that should have its own.
All I'll say is that this is very concerning data if you're EA.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 17, 2019 12:08:36 GMT
Inclusion criteria?
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 17, 2019 12:29:13 GMT
This was posted in another thread, but it seems like something that should have its own.
All I'll say is that this is very concerning data if you're EA.
Agreed. If the player base dropped 50% already with another 28% quitting soon or consider quitting, the long term sustainability of this game to pay for itself for future improvements, I find suspect.
Marketing has come and gone. game exposure to new players is now minimal, imo.
Of course we must ask this question. Does this survey reflect a fair barometer of the player base?
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2019 13:11:53 GMT
This was posted in another thread, but it seems like something that should have its own.
All I'll say is that this is very concerning data if you're EA.
Agreed. If the player base dropped 50% already with another 28% quitting soon or consider quitting, the long term sustainability of this game to pay for itself for future improvements, I find suspect.
Marketing has come and gone. game exposure to new players is now minimal, imo.
Of course we must ask this question. Does this survey reflect a fair barometer of the player base?
Obviously as with any poll/survey you'll never get every person.
However, you can ask yourself the question, were you surprised by the results? Based on your experience with the game, people you've talked to, what you've seen on forums, did any of this surprise you. Out of all the people/friends I've talked to that were playing this game as well, only one is still hanging in there.
Does it surprise you that with such little content and so much wrong with the loot system that a lot of people have quit the game. This doesn't mean that every one of these players has quit for good. Players may come back when the first big content release happens, but the fact that a lot of people have quit should not surprise anyone.
The fact that people think the loot system is bad shouldn't surprise anyone.
The fact that such a large percentage of players experienced bad bugs shouldn't surprise anyone.
Players views of Bioware after not this game but the last one as well shouldn't surprise anyone.
Honestly, these results should have really been expected from any survey given the release state of the game and its continuing state even after some of the patches.
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 17, 2019 13:43:53 GMT
Wait, people have negative thoughts about Anthem? This is news to me!
Joking aside, player-base percentage-wise, this is concerning, I'd reckon. BUT. I do want to raise th eissue that the majority of filler-inners are loot game veterans. Evidently, if you design an enquete about the loot in anthem to such people, the results will be disastrous. That was actually the most shocking to me, for how few this is their first loot game.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 17, 2019 13:57:08 GMT
Wasn't this taken from like 1,000 peeps on reddit?
Wasn't reddit the same place were they upvoted like 1,000 times a boycott of playing "Anthem" until they get better loot and nobody participated?
Time to hit the panic button, I guess...or something...
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 17, 2019 14:10:32 GMT
However, you can ask yourself the question, were you surprised by the results? Yes, the results are far more negative than I would expect from a typical player population. Without some reference to a credible source for its balanced collection, I'd view this as loaded clickbait, subject to such a source being confirmed or otherwise. And EA already has player-activity data from millions of players, so if there is cause for concern, this survey would provide EA with no new information to that which they have already.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2019 14:47:12 GMT
Wait, people have negative thoughts about Anthem? This is news to me! Joking aside, player-base percentage-wise, this is concerning, I'd reckon. BUT. I do want to raise th eissue that the majority of filler-inners are loot game veterans. Evidently, if you design an enquete about the loot in anthem to such people, the results will be disastrous. That was actually the most shocking to me, for how few this is their first loot game.
These are the people you're going after though. Also, if you're going to keep these people playing you have to offer something as good or better than their other choices. Like I said, nothing says that people won't comeback to the game if they improve it.
I'm not really surprised by the number of new players. Say Anthem sold 5 million copies, that's 400,000 new players based on the percentages in this survey. If someone hasn't played any other looter shooters why would they just pick up Anthem? Unless they just play any Bioware game. This is my first one, and the only reason I played it was because my best friend begged me because he knew I played Bioware games. He didn't even ask me when he moved on to the Division II.
My best friend is probably indicative of the people who answered this survey. He'll try pretty much any big looter shooter/FPS game, but if it doesn't hold his interest and/or something better comes out he'll move on in a heartbeat.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 17, 2019 15:14:14 GMT
Wait, people have negative thoughts about Anthem? This is news to me! Joking aside, player-base percentage-wise, this is concerning, I'd reckon. BUT. I do want to raise th eissue that the majority of filler-inners are loot game veterans. Evidently, if you design an enquete about the loot in anthem to such people, the results will be disastrous. That was actually the most shocking to me, for how few this is their first loot game.
Really?
I had a strong impression Bio went after the looter-shooter crowd. Equally obvious from the studio's mgt issues, the designed loot system was not in sync with the veterans' expectations of a loot & shoot game. If this survey is accurate within the acceptable 2-5% then Bio dropped the ball, royally. Perhaps this is the reason the studio is advertising for experienced people in loot design.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 17, 2019 15:18:06 GMT
However, you can ask yourself the question, were you surprised by the results? Yes, the results are far more negative than I would expect from a typical player population. Without some reference to a credible source for its balanced collection, I'd view this as loaded clickbait, subject to such a source being confirmed or otherwise. And EA already has player-activity data from millions of players, so if there is cause for concern, this survey would provide EA with no new information to that which they have already.
Where is the credible source data for these millions of players? I'm curious.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 17, 2019 15:21:03 GMT
Snip
My best friend is probably indicative of the people who answered this survey. He'll try pretty much any big looter shooter/FPS game, but if it doesn't hold his interest and/or something better comes out he'll move on in a heartbeat.
That's the key, isn't it? Where is the hook? Where is the interest? Is there replay value?
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 17, 2019 15:34:17 GMT
Where is the credible source data for these millions of players? I'm curious. I don't expect EA will be sharing their data any time soon.
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Post by Sah291 on Apr 17, 2019 16:17:54 GMT
Wasn't this taken from like 1,000 peeps on reddit? Wasn't reddit the same place were they upvoted like 1,000 times a boycott of playing "Anthem" until they get better loot and nobody participated? Time to hit the panic button, I guess...or something... Yeah, it is a user created poll posted to r/AnthemTheGame 2 days ago. The poll is a survey of 1,000 people from that sub, and was removed the same day due to violating sub rules. So the survey only ran 1 day and it was never shared elsewhere on other gaming sites or fan subs, such as r/LowSodiumAnthem. I would be surprised if there wasn't drop off, after the very rough launch. But that's hardly an official or representative poll to go by.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 17, 2019 16:29:21 GMT
they burned a large proportion of their rpg pool in order to dive into the supposed hard core looter shooter sea. It would be pretty damning if there’s any accuracy to the percentage of them they’ve already lost.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 17, 2019 16:30:05 GMT
Wasn't this taken from like 1,000 peeps on reddit? Wasn't reddit the same place were they upvoted like 1,000 times a boycott of playing "Anthem" until they get better loot and nobody participated? Time to hit the panic button, I guess...or something... Yeah, it is a user created poll posted to r/AnthemTheGame 2 days ago. The poll is a survey of 1,000 people from that sub, and was removed the same day due to violating sub rules. So the survey only ran 1 day and it was never shared elsewhere on other gaming sites or fan subs, such as r/LowSodiumAnthem. I would be surprised if there wasn't drop off, after the very rough launch. But that's hardly an official or representative poll to go by. Yeah, a thousand salty peeps on Redditt might skew the sample a bit... Anecdotally, I play almost daily with a solid group of friends and my son and daughter are playing with their friends as well and it hasn't changed much since launch. I usually play GM1 or GM2 and I have seen no issue filling the mission with three randoms if it's just me and I want to do a Legendary Contract or Stronghold. Not saying playing engagement hasn't dropped off since launch but "Anthem's" demise seems to have been greatly exaggerated.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 17, 2019 16:33:53 GMT
You mean the Anthem reddit is exclusively in the hands of sceptics?
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 17, 2019 16:48:53 GMT
I see no problem with a sample size of one thousand players. Political surveys over here often work with the same numbers and then publish the results as representative.
Personal anecdote: I have about a dozen real life friends that are gamers, all of them on PC. No one had heard of Anthem. Everyone knew The Division and Warframe.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2019 17:07:09 GMT
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My best friend is probably indicative of the people who answered this survey. He'll try pretty much any big looter shooter/FPS game, but if it doesn't hold his interest and/or something better comes out he'll move on in a heartbeat.
That's the key, isn't it? Where is the hook? Where is the interest? Is there replay value?
This was the problem for me.
M best friend said 'this is a looter shooter where the loot sucks. You play RPGs. Would you play an RPG where the story and characters sucked?' I was pretty much like, when you put it like that, I can understand you moving on. I figure looter shooter players have a checklist of what they want just like I have for what I want in a SP RPG.
As for me personally. I hate quitting stuff so I tried for a little bit. But there was no incentive for me to keep playing the game after I got to GM2. No different strongholds, no different enemy tactics, no GM2 specific loot. It's was just fight these same enemies, just roided up for the same loot. Why?
There isn't even any incentive to play all three strongholds, because the loot is going to be the same. Just play the easiest one. If all three stronghold bosses dropped boss specific loot, I'd have kept playing. If the GM2 bosses dropped boss specific loot that was better than what you get on GM1 I'd have kept playing, and so on for GM3. But you have no incentive to progress other than to say 'I did it'.
Then some of the quests. Go kill 100 of what amounts to a mini boss, and for your hours and hours of time, we'll give you a couple thousand coin.
I know one person who is still playing. He says as long as the combat is fun he can play it. More power to him.
It's amazing that with all the problems this game is having that it's far fetched that a lot of people have quit. Especially with a new game on the market that does a lot of what people are looking for better.
This release reminds me so much of FF XIV, it's scary.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 17, 2019 17:15:07 GMT
I see no problem with a sample size of one thousand players. Political surveys over here often work with the same numbers and then publish the results as representative. Personal anecdote: I have about a dozen real life friends that are gamers, all of them on PC. No one had heard of Anthem. Everyone knew The Division and Warframe. And I have a lot of friends on both PC and console that have been following the game since E3 2017, participated in the December stress test, did the XBox EA Access or Origin trial and continue to play today. Maybe it's just the group of players we respectively associate with...don't know. All I know is I have no problem getting Alliance Coin bump at the end of the week.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 17, 2019 17:27:35 GMT
And, I do have issues with the game:
- still need to reduce loading time - why am I getting green, blue, purple embers in GM2 freeplay...what are these for? - loot too standard for wide arrange of activities... - GM2/GM3 should drop just enough Epics to supply resources for crafting your sigils...you should never see blues/rares in GM2
I'm hoping at some point they introduce Legendary blueprints and embers and that you can trade surplus uncommon, rare, epic, and masterwork embers in for Legendary embers to re-roll or base the embers you get on your difficulty level.
There are gaps, for sure, but I'm still enjoying playing missions with friends and randoms.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 17, 2019 17:32:02 GMT
I see no problem with a sample size of one thousand players. Political surveys over here often work with the same numbers and then publish the results as representative. Personal anecdote: I have about a dozen real life friends that are gamers, all of them on PC. No one had heard of Anthem. Everyone knew The Division and Warframe. And I have a lot of friends on both PC and console that have been following the game since E3 2017, participated in the December stress test, did the XBox EA Access or Origin trial and continue to play today. Maybe it's just the group of players we respectively associate with...don't know. All I know is I have no problem getting Alliance Coin bump at the end of the week. I played a PvP game with consistently concurrent player base in the hundreds. I still found matches to play. It only takes 8 to fill a lobby. So what's the point? Point is, the fact you find matches and players doesnt answer how much of the player base has bled away.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 17, 2019 17:37:29 GMT
And I have a lot of friends on both PC and console that have been following the game since E3 2017, participated in the December stress test, did the XBox EA Access or Origin trial and continue to play today. Maybe it's just the group of players we respectively associate with...don't know. All I know is I have no problem getting Alliance Coin bump at the end of the week. I played a PvP game with consistently concurrent player base in the hundreds. I still found matches to play. It only takes 8 to fill a lobby. So what's the point? Point is, the fact you find matches and players doesnt answer how much of the player base has bled away. Indeed...the point is I don't know either way. I haven't seen a drop off among my real life friends on PC or console nor the ones I've "friended" through the game. Like you said, it doesn't take a huge lobby to fill a mission so there could have been a steep dropoff and I wouldn't know it. The fact they are still hiring to improve the game going forward tells me there is some people there though
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 17, 2019 17:42:58 GMT
I played a PvP game with consistently concurrent player base in the hundreds. I still found matches to play. It only takes 8 to fill a lobby. So what's the point? Point is, the fact you find matches and players doesnt answer how much of the player base has bled away. Indeed...the point is I don't know either way. I haven't seen a drop off among my real life friends on PC or console nor the ones I've "friended" through the game. Like you said, it doesn't take a huge lobby to fill a mission so there could have been a steep dropoff and I wouldn't know it. The fact they are still hiring to improve the game going forward tells me there is some people there though Fractured Space, the PvP game is dead now. Severs switched off. Probably unplayable now - I havent checked. Some dev tried to make it playable offline. It wasnt a bad game. Friendly player base, mostly. Too niche? Definitely too much competition is my take. I guess that is what is implied with such a survey. Trying to gauge remaining shelf life.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 17, 2019 17:54:55 GMT
Indeed...the point is I don't know either way. I haven't seen a drop off among my real life friends on PC or console nor the ones I've "friended" through the game. Like you said, it doesn't take a huge lobby to fill a mission so there could have been a steep dropoff and I wouldn't know it. The fact they are still hiring to improve the game going forward tells me there is some people there though Fractured Space, the PvP game is dead now. Severs switched off. Probably unplayable now - I havent checked. Some dev tried to make it playable offline. It wasnt a bad game. Friendly player base, mostly. Too niche? Definitely too much competition is my take. I guess that is what is implied with such a survey. Trying to gauge remaining shelf life. I think how they end Act I will be crucial. People have left as they always do for these games but some of those still have the game in their collection ready to come back for something interesting. April 17th through mid-May is where they are supposed to ramp for the end of month Cataclysm...if it's a Epic battle with Titan and Fury variants littering the freeplay map dropping weird/exotic Legendaries that might be it's "moment" and set up Act II...if it's a big, red hole in the sky leading to 'meh' encounters it might be dagger. What I think would really help is having a servers that could host between 15-25 players to participate in "Epic Encounters" (or something) where are task with defending the Fort Tarsis wall against invasion or siege encounters where you are trying to destroy Dominion footholds in areas of Bastion. Having a dozen or so Javelins flying around, priming and triggering, with Legendary weapons and gear, would be a spectacle to behold.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 17, 2019 19:47:12 GMT
I see no problem with a sample size of one thousand players. Political surveys over here often work with the same numbers and then publish the results as representative. Personal anecdote: I have about a dozen real life friends that are gamers, all of them on PC. No one had heard of Anthem. Everyone knew The Division and Warframe. Are you seriously comparing this to a randomised population study? The inclusion criterias for this survey are not stringent enough to draw any conclusions outside the particular group of people who actually completed it. The numbers mean nothing. It's like asking 1000 republicans who's going to win the election.
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