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Post by smilesja on Apr 23, 2019 1:52:32 GMT
I think if you are going to call an ab9mination like anthem an rpg you might as well call all games rpgs People used to say the same thing about Mass Effect, especially Mass Effect 2. I personally don’t care what people call it and I don’t think debating the use of the RPG label really matters. What matters is if it has features that you enjoy. What is an RPG now and days? The term is pretty broad.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 23, 2019 3:17:43 GMT
People used to say the same thing about Mass Effect, especially Mass Effect 2. I personally don’t care what people call it and I don’t think debating the use of the RPG label really matters. What matters is if it has features that you enjoy. What is an RPG now and days? The term is pretty broad. It is what it has always been since the days of Chainmail, a game in which you play a role.
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Post by river82 on Apr 23, 2019 3:50:24 GMT
What is an RPG now and days? The term is pretty broad. It is what it has always been since the days of Chainmail, a game in which you play a role. And now every game is an RPG. Wonderful
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 23, 2019 6:48:43 GMT
It is what it has always been since the days of Chainmail, a game in which you play a role. And now every game is an RPG. Wonderful RPG is a label thrown on everything these days. For me it's simple. If the player is the central character and can fill in, then it's an rpg. If the character is the central character, then it's not an rpg. In this respect, anthem is an rpg to me (as limited as the filling is at this time). In this respect, witcher 3 for example was not an rpg to me, as geralt was the main character. But I respect nor appreciate eithe game any less for it.
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Post by river82 on Apr 23, 2019 7:19:15 GMT
And now every game is an RPG. Wonderful RPG is a label thrown on everything these days. For me it's simple. If the player is the central character and can fill in, then it's an rpg. If the character is the central character, then it's not an rpg. In this respect, anthem is an rpg to me (as limited as the filling is at this time). In this respect, witcher 3 for example was not an rpg to me, as geralt was the main character. But I respect nor appreciate eithe game any less for it. The problem with this definition is it de-legitimises pretty much the entire JRPG library. Not saying you're wrong to define an RPG like that, Bioware devs have themselves in the past questioned whether JRPGs are actually RPGs, but the community would never accept that definition.
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 23, 2019 9:35:31 GMT
RPG is a label thrown on everything these days. For me it's simple. If the player is the central character and can fill in, then it's an rpg. If the character is the central character, then it's not an rpg. In this respect, anthem is an rpg to me (as limited as the filling is at this time). In this respect, witcher 3 for example was not an rpg to me, as geralt was the main character. But I respect nor appreciate eithe game any less for it. The problem with this definition is it de-legitimises pretty much the entire JRPG library. Not saying you're wrong to define an RPG like that, Bioware devs have themselves in the past questioned whether JRPGs are actually RPGs, but the community would never accept that definition. Well, here at BSN, we are a rebellious bunch
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 23, 2019 10:49:54 GMT
People used to say the same thing about Mass Effect, especially Mass Effect 2. I personally don’t care what people call it and I don’t think debating the use of the RPG label really matters. What matters is if it has features that you enjoy. What is an RPG now and days? The term is pretty broad. A game where you emulate a persona, that progresses in skill through gameplay. Most shooters that do now allow for character progression in any way other than the skill of the player himself, a simulator in this case, would not fall the RPG category. Some games, while fitting the term RPG, do not dive into the mechanics in any but a superficial manner, opting to emphasize on simulation mechanics. For these games, the community has developed the term RPG-lite. Many new games, like CoD or DMC, could be considered RPG-lite games, since they mostly borrow their mechanics from action games of a different category and are thus categorized under their respective genre. That's just my idea of what an RPG is, anyway.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 23, 2019 15:10:50 GMT
People used to say the same thing about Mass Effect, especially Mass Effect 2. I personally don’t care what people call it and I don’t think debating the use of the RPG label really matters. What matters is if it has features that you enjoy. What is an RPG now and days? The term is pretty broad. I wrote about that, trying to define it a bit. Long story short, it boils down to how we define the use of mechanics more than anything else. techraptor.net/content/playing-roles-etymology-rpgs
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 23, 2019 15:32:27 GMT
I don't even know what wrpg means. And when I see jrpg I imagine a shitty console attempt at trying to emulate a rpg game. Now consoles have come far, but since I never dipped my feet into that world the impression kinda stuck. It's an impression complemented recently by the manga anime deluge on Steam platform.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 23, 2019 15:37:22 GMT
I don't even know what wrpg means. And when I see jrpg I imagine a shitty console attempt at trying to emulate a rpg game. Now consoles have come far, but since I never dipped my feet into that world the impression kinda stuck. It's an impression complemented recently by the manga anime deluge on Steam platform.
It's the wrong impression to have, to be honest, as both terms are litreally an undefined jumble of letters folks try to pigeon hole a game into. Honestly, games like baldurs gate are closer, at times, to final fantasy than pool of radiance.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 23, 2019 15:39:33 GMT
I don't even know what wrpg means. And when I see jrpg I imagine a shitty console attempt at trying to emulate a rpg game. Now consoles have come far, but since I never dipped my feet into that world the impression kinda stuck. It's an impression complemented recently by the manga anime deluge on Steam platform.
It's the wrong impression to have, to be honest, as both terms are litreally an undefined jumble of letters folks try to pigeon hole a game into. Honestly, games like baldurs gate are closer, at times, to final fantasy than pool of radiance. I no doubt believe there are gems to be found. Breath of the Wild was quite praised. But for me, console exclusives have essentially worked their way me completely ignoring part of the market.
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Post by boozebeast on May 6, 2019 16:40:12 GMT
I promise that EA is not surprised, if they've even taken the time to look at the results. They know they dropped the ball with Anthem. I'm pretty sure they knew it before release, as it was already available in the Origin Premier Vault.
Nothing in that survey is surprising. Warframe has a much stronger player base, build your own gear, and it's FREE
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2019 17:12:58 GMT
Honestly, games like baldurs gate are closer, at times, to final fantasy than pool of radiance. The jRPG autodialogue thing is what really ruins the experience for me. The complete lack of choice and the reliance of coming across events purely by luck, without any frame of reference, not to mention the "pure, virginal waifu", "slutty, sexy waifu" and "catgirl waifu" stereotypes that infest them. Which is why when I see a LI with enough backbone, or even pushback, it feels so refreshing.
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Post by NotN7 on May 6, 2019 19:40:33 GMT
Honestly, games like baldurs gate are closer, at times, to final fantasy than pool of radiance. The jRPG autodialogue thing is what really ruins the experience for me. The complete lack of choice and the reliance of coming across events purely by luck, without any frame of reference, not to mention the "pure, virginal waifu", "slutty, sexy waifu" and "catgirl waifu" stereotypes that infest them. Which is why when I see a LI with enough backbone, or even pushback, it feels so refreshing. Wait? you talking about Baldors gate or Anthem? but either or what does sexual preference has to do with anything? that's bedroom stuff so you prefer woman or the others great so leave it at that.
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Post by linksocarina on May 6, 2019 19:53:44 GMT
Honestly, games like baldurs gate are closer, at times, to final fantasy than pool of radiance. The jRPG autodialogue thing is what really ruins the experience for me. The complete lack of choice and the reliance of coming across events purely by luck, without any frame of reference, not to mention the "pure, virginal waifu", "slutty, sexy waifu" and "catgirl waifu" stereotypes that infest them. Which is why when I see a LI with enough backbone, or even pushback, it feels so refreshing. True, though a lot of that is in of itself influenced by visual novels and text adventure games. There is a ton of cross pollination between games and genres back in the 80s. Dragon Quest and the original Final Fantasy are so emblematic of it all, and the pinnacle of storytelling through mechanics (not dialogue choice) was always the method that folks gravitate towards then. You see thay with Dragons Dogma and Dark Souls too. It's the mechanics vs the choice, even though choice can be part of the mechanics. As for the anime shit, that's mostly new and annoying as all hell.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 6, 2019 19:57:26 GMT
Wait? you talking about Baldors gate or Anthem? Uh, neither. I am referring to jRPGs and the blatant waifu bait that exists there. You know, Final Fantasy, Tales series, Star Ocean series, Dragon Quest etc. but either or what does sexual preference has to do with anything? Well, they are shallow, unrealistic and, if you thought Bioware romances were bad, be prepared to experience an entire new level of cringe. Stuff that makes sing-along-mode shit seem absolutely Shakespearean. that's bedroom stuff so you prefer woman or the others great so leave it at that. [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uJDSFxTaceXHJgvOKqTG.png" alt="[_[" class="smile"] No, that wasn't the point.
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Post by river82 on May 6, 2019 22:21:06 GMT
It's a good read so far. I especially like how you picked up on Japanese RPG companies previously writing visual novels compared with Western RPG companies However if in part 2 you conclude CRPGs is all about "playing roles" I will have to egg your house. Sorry, but decency would compel me
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