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Post by Catilina on May 4, 2019 16:18:01 GMT
DA2 about the Mage–Templar issues. Who doesn't care about that, probably doesn't really like the whole game. What remains, if you put off that from the formula? My favourite part of the Dragon Age. The Templars are better enemies, than the Darkspawn, more personal, the Drakspawn only brainless monsters (except the Architect.) river82 I see your point. You think, that as Hawke, who born in the apostate family, the game forces you to protect your kind. Not forces, in fact, the game try to convince you that even as a mage, the Templar path is a valid choice. The developers were surprised, how much player chose the mages over the Templars. Some people still able to say, that the mad criminal "Meredith has a point"... Unfortunately you only really get to see Meredith's point if you're already siding with her. Preaching to the choir isn't a very good way to convince skeptics. I know Meredith's background – that just a point to Anders, against the Circles, just like Connor's case. And I saw the Templar PT. No. Meredith doesn't have any point. She has PTSD, I understand, just like Cullen – who also speaks nonsenses, even in the Inquisition. To feel sorry for them, doesn't mean to agree with them, and their PTSD is not an excuse for their crimes. They should never be Templar, but the sanity was never a requirement in the Order, just the devotion. People need confirmation, their decision is right. The game tries to give them. This is a wrong way.
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Post by Polka Dot on May 4, 2019 16:42:55 GMT
The biggest issue for me is that they took a class I love, gave it a huge amount of lore baggage and also merged all possible mage classes together. There is no real noticeable difference between a mage who uses just ice mage, all elemental magic equally, rift magic or necromancy. It's all the same, they are all just mages and the only noticeable difference between their culture is how they are treated in different nations/clans/areas. That's just gameplay mechanics/combat builds, though - and it's no different from warriors who go sword and board versus 2-handers or whether rogues use daggers or bows - not to mention that each class has multiple specializations. There is some lore around the different schools of magic, but the only one that stands out and is treated differently is blood magic. Indeed. And they constructed it with so much middling gray that I find it difficult to care one way or another. I can sympathize with some individual characters, but both sides also have their share of genocidal self-serving assholes. Alas, that's my fear as well.
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Post by biggydx on May 4, 2019 21:50:07 GMT
I feel that RPG's (or any game for that manner), which don't have pre-established relationships involving the main character, should use time-skips in order to better justify the romance flourishing. I can never get past the idea of having a deep romance in less than a few months, let alone talks of getting married (DA:I Sera romance). As tame as it might be, unless it's a one night, I feel like the end romance sequence should just be a kiss or something. Let future DLC's expand upon the romance by having time move forward; or have it done in post-game content.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 4, 2019 22:27:19 GMT
I feel that RPG's (or any game for that manner), which don't have pre-established relationships involving the main character, should use time-skips in order to better justify the romance flourishing. I can never get past the idea of having a deep romance in less than a few months, let alone talks of getting married (DA:I Sera romance). As tame as it might be, unless it's a one night, I feel like the end romance sequence should just be a kiss or something. Let future DLC's expand upon the romance by having time move forward; or have it done in post-game content. Bioware games do take place over months though. Each Mass Effect game takes place over around half a year, DAO a year, DAI a year and three years counting Trespasser, and DA2 seven years for the parts with Hawke.
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Post by Iakus on May 4, 2019 22:52:11 GMT
I feel that RPG's (or any game for that manner), which don't have pre-established relationships involving the main character, should use time-skips in order to better justify the romance flourishing. I can never get past the idea of having a deep romance in less than a few months, let alone talks of getting married (DA:I Sera romance). As tame as it might be, unless it's a one night, I feel like the end romance sequence should just be a kiss or something. Let future DLC's expand upon the romance by having time move forward; or have it done in post-game content. This is true. People are likely expecting too much of romances nowadays. Given most games only take place over a period of weeks or perhaps months, perhaps the POSSIBILITY of something bigger growing out of the relationship should be enough. Though as noted, Trespasser was a two year time ski from the base game of DAI. And DA2 took place over several years.
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Post by biggydx on May 5, 2019 1:27:50 GMT
I feel that RPG's (or any game for that manner), which don't have pre-established relationships involving the main character, should use time-skips in order to better justify the romance flourishing. I can never get past the idea of having a deep romance in less than a few months, let alone talks of getting married (DA:I Sera romance). As tame as it might be, unless it's a one night, I feel like the end romance sequence should just be a kiss or something. Let future DLC's expand upon the romance by having time move forward; or have it done in post-game content. Bioware games do take place over months though. Each Mass Effect game takes place over around half a year, DAO a year, DAI a year and three years counting Trespasser, and DA2 seven years for the parts with Hawke. That's why I didnt want to specifically name Mass Effect, though I still think some of the relationships in the vanilla game move too fast. I have played any of the DLC for DA:O or DA2 unfortunately. My naming of Sera had more to do with the initial proposition of marriage by the main character - potentially - somewhat more than half way through the main campaign.
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Post by formerfiend on May 5, 2019 4:42:04 GMT
On the flip side I think some romances move a bit too slow; Hawke and Isabela don't sleep together until Act 2 when they've known each other for 3+ years. That wait is fine for the other romances in DA2 but Isabela gives Hawke an open invitation to sleep with her literally the day they met.
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Post by theascendent on May 5, 2019 15:38:39 GMT
I wonder if they'll bring pregnancy risk again. Honestly one of my favourite moments from any Bioware game was Aerie shocking me with the pregnancy reveal. I know it's unlikely to occur, especially for female PC's. How do they handle birth control in Thedas? What kind of contraceptives to they have? I imagine that there are spells, potions and more mundane items, but it would be fun to learn about.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 5, 2019 15:46:54 GMT
How do they handle birth control in Thedas? What kind of contraceptives to they have? Tevintrians were the first to discover the prophylactic, by using the intestine of a goat. Orlesians perfected the design, by first removing the intestine from the goat.
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Post by garrusfan1 on May 5, 2019 20:11:35 GMT
How do they handle birth control in Thedas? What kind of contraceptives to they have? Tevintrians were the first to discover the prophylactic, by using the intestine of a goat. Orlesians perfected the design, by first removing the intestine from the goat. I don't even want to know do I?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 5, 2019 20:26:24 GMT
It has been a fairly long time since this thread dealt with the topic in the OP and there are plenty of places to discuss romance in general and more specifically on the forum so this thread is now locked.
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