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Post by decafhigh on Apr 20, 2019 4:33:13 GMT
Ran right out to buy Mass Effect for the first time, and the rest was history as they say. I'm reminded of this old gem (sorry for poor vid quality, but it is an old story): LMAO, lord have mercy. I was actually embarrassed for them as I was watching that. Not a single one of those people had a clue what they were talking about. That is some grade A comedy material there.
I don't recall that being the one I saw, I seem to remember them emphasizing the lesbian interactions more in the one I watched which was what piqued my interest. Even back then I knew their alarmism over the "graphic sex" and what not was rubbish, just the latest iteration of "radio/movies/tv/rock music/whatever is teh devliz!!11!". As a gamer though a RPG that included lesbian romantic choices was pretty interesting to me. Its not as surprising a thing today obviously but back then it wasn't really something I had seen before. Heck just having a female protagonist period was still uncommon.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 20, 2019 7:58:49 GMT
Luckily, judging from MEA and statements from the devs over the years since DAI, it seems like we will be getting more romances like hers. Not to be that guy but we saw more nudity in MEA then any other bioware game.
Really? I guess it's because I stuck to one romanceable character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 20, 2019 8:11:22 GMT
Not to be that guy but we saw more nudity in MEA then any other bioware game.
Really? I guess it's because I stuck to one romanceable character.
I’m also pretty sure they are wrong. In MEA you can see Cora, Gil, Jaal, PeeBee, Sara, and Scott naked for a total of 3 men and 3 women. Meanwhile in DAI you can see Cassandra, Cullen, Dorian, Sera, The Iron Bull, and male or female Inquisitor naked for a total of 4 men and 3 women. If protagonist doesn’t count then it is 2-2 for MEA and 3-2 for DAI.
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Post by Ieldra on Apr 20, 2019 9:42:59 GMT
Really? I guess it's because I stuck to one romanceable character.
I’m also pretty sure they are wrong. In MEA you can see Cora, Gil, Jaal, PeeBee, Sara, and Scott naked for a total of 3 men and 3 women. Meanwhile in DAI you can see Cassandra, Cullen, Dorian, Sera, The Iron Bull, and male or female Inquisitor naked for a total of 4 men and 3 women. If protagonist doesn’t count then it is 2-2 for MEA and 3-2 for DAI. So...we count the characters you can see naked in a game now?
You know, I'd be embarrassed by showing that kind of knowledge to others, even if I'd had it before reading your post.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 20, 2019 12:06:05 GMT
The real irony is that this entire fucking forum turns into Fox News if you suggest that BioWare's LGBT content should increase. Increase to the point of being exactly as or even more prevalent than classic M/F content, and that anyone with second thoughts about the notion must be a bigot and deserves to be left by the wayside, yup, if you're referring to some of the arguments I've seen. Not quite the same idea. That's exactly the argument I'm referring to, and make. Having the same or even less romance options than gay people in one game won't hurt heteros, so there's nothing to have second thoughts about. There's no good reason not to be fair, the people that concern troll about it hurting sales already declare multiple times a day that they're abandoning BioWare because of live service or frame rate or some other bullshit, so who cares?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 20, 2019 14:21:22 GMT
I don't need to see the characters naked, tbh. ME1 minimized it. What was in DAO and DA2? Can't remember.
DAI was, IIRC, the one with the most nudity. I didn't especially find it gratuitous. People get naked when they have sex. Usually in these games they are full-on romances. It's normal behavior to have sex with someone you love. The opposite is abnormal unless you happen to be asexual. And, really, can everyone be catered to?
As for as LGBT content, think of it from a developer perspective. The majority of players are straight men and so the content mirrors it. I know I tend to be a minority here, but I don't need my protagonist to be 100% gay. Like Shepard, Ryder, Inquisitor, the Warden and Hawke. Their particular sexuality is irrelevant since you can have them romance any romanceable character who would be interested in your gender. That's actually a hell of lot.
As for me, live service is a deal breaker. Did Anthem even have an RPG aspect? If not, don't expect any romances in a live service DA game.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 20, 2019 15:12:38 GMT
I don't need to see the characters naked, tbh. ME1 minimized it. What was in DAO and DA2? Can't remember. DAI was, IIRC, the one with the most nudity. I didn't especially find it gratuitous. People get naked when they have sex. Usually in these games they are full-on romances. It's normal behavior to have sex with someone you love. The opposite is abnormal unless you happen to be asexual. And, really, can everyone be catered to? As for as LGBT content, think of it from a developer perspective. The majority of players are straight men and so the content mirrors it. I know I tend to be a minority here, but I don't need my protagonist to be 100% gay. Like Shepard, Ryder, Inquisitor, the Warden and Hawke. Their particular sexuality is irrelevant since you can have them romance any romanceable character who would be interested in your gender. That's actually a hell of lot. As for me, live service is a deal breaker. Did Anthem even have an RPG aspect? If not, don't expect any romances in a live service DA game. Well, in a roleplaying game, I want as much control over my character as possible, and that includes the expression of their sexuality. I will never make a character straight if I have any say in it, all the fixed protags in mainstream gaming are default straight already (which should also change). That the majority of the audience are straight men shouldn't signify. I have no problem empathising with and relating to straight male characters when I am forced to play them, or female characters for that matter. The enjoyment of almost all media hinges on your ability to empathise with people who are unlike you. If straight men lack that capacity, then the onus is on them to learn empathy for people that are not like them, not on media to reinforce/validate their worldview as the only one with any value.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 20, 2019 15:30:04 GMT
Nudity can also just be done in a lot of ways more interesting and effective than weirdly formal end-of-the-romance here's-your-paramour's-boobs scenarios. Our protagonist accidentally walking in on a LI changing midway through the romance, for example, or vice versa. That would seem to suddenly spice things up and raise the stakes from a character-perspective, while not at all being unlikely or unrelatable in some of the living spaces companions spend time in in some of these games. Spaceships with dormitories and heavy steel doors with fidgety programming especially. Or one character literally needing another's assistance to get armor off, or needing to be disrobed in front of another to get medical attention, or the party having gotten through some insanely toxic environment and needing to get their clothes off and washed as quickly as possible all at once. Or just happening across a hot spring after a hard day of adventuring and collectively not being able to resist the temptation. Or one particular character not having any inhibitions at all as a cultural or personal thing. In a lot of those cases, the nudity and overcoming of embarrassment would build trust and camaraderie or reinforce sexual tension as needed without going into tasteless and gratuitous grinding of animated pelvises. As for the actual sex scenes, I would find them ten times sweeter and more engaging if they just cut to our characters in the middle of post-coital snuggling and pillow talk under the covers, looking all cozy and relaxed maybe for the first time in the entire game. Seriously, the interactive pillow talk is always the highlight of those scenes for me. Increase to the point of being exactly as or even more prevalent than classic M/F content, and that anyone with second thoughts about the notion must be a bigot and deserves to be left by the wayside, yup, if you're referring to some of the arguments I've seen. Not quite the same idea. That's exactly the argument I'm referring to, and make. Having the same or even less romance options than gay people in one game won't hurt heteros, so there's nothing to have second thoughts about. There's no good reason not to be fair, the people that concern troll about it hurting sales already declare multiple times a day that they're abandoning BioWare because of live service or frame rate or some other bullshit, so who cares? Dude. You're less than 2,5 percent of the population. I get that you want more romance to your tastes in games, I really do, but for developers to spend as many resources to satisfy you as they do to collectively satisfy the rest of their costumer base, much less trying to shame people for not getting behind that as a matter of course, isn't "fair" just because you feel unfairly treated if it isn't done. This might come as a shock to you, but having unusual tastes naturally has the consequence of narrowing down your options, whether you were born with them or developed them over time. It doesn't give you a special place in the market where you get to demand that things cater as much to you as everyone else put together because otherwise you feel alienated. You are alienated. You don't like the things most other people do. And it's not the world's responsibility to make you feel like your life or tastes are as much like everybody else's as possible. I certainly wouldn't, and don't, begrudge you one game like that, or even a few. You should give Dream Daddy a try if you haven't already. It's kickass. But you've never been talking about one game. On the contrary, I've seen you talk about splitting Bioware's audience into the deserving and the undeserving and having them forsake the vast majority of their players to only gratify a sheltered subculture that can't stand being in the room with anyone who disagrees with them. And trying to build a culture in forums of "combating" people who haven't swallowed your agenda. Which you have certainly faced some resistance to, yup. And no wonder. If everywhere you look, even very liberal and accommodating video game forums, seems like Fox News to you then it's because your thinking is so far off-center that you can't tell the difference between sense and nonsense anymore.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 20, 2019 15:55:32 GMT
But you've never been talking about one game. On the contrary, I've seen you talk about splitting Bioware's audience into the deserving and the undeserving and having them forsake the vast majority of their players to only gratify a sheltered subculture that can't stand being in the room with anyone who disagrees with them. And trying to build a culture in forums of "combating" people who haven't swallowed your agenda. The video game industry already caters extensively to a sheltered subculture that can't stand being around people that disagree with them. I don't know, exactly, what subculture you think I'm a part of when you say this, because you insist on posting in an oblique and rambling way. Queer? Radical leftist? Some other thing? Whatever it is, this impression you have of me that I "can't stand" to be in a room with anyone who disagrees with me is absurd on its face. As you say, I'm only a tiny portion of the population. The option of only sharing space with like-minded people literally does not exist for me. I live in a reality where my basic human rights are outright denied across most of the planet, and are constantly being litigated and re-litigated everywhere else. Most days, assuming I go outside at all (which I usually do, because I have, y'know, a job and all that real life crap), I don't even have the luxury of only sharing space with people who agree that I deserve to not be murdered. Statistically, I probably rub shoulders with at least a few people who want to kill me on a daily basis. I'm not the one living in a bubble. "Liberal and accomodating" compared to what? Most other video game forums, maybe, not that that takes much, and only if you ignore the constant conservative dogwhistling that goes on around here. And a classic golden mean fallacy! Haven't seen that for a while. "Moderates" love that one. "I don't AGREE with killing gays, but do they really need to be so obnoxious about the fact that people are killing them?" The only way you'll see me swing to the right is if the wind happens to be blowing in that direction when I hang myself, but I'll take up a maga hat and a tiki torch before I embrace the utterly spineless, wilfully ignorant "thinking" of the "center".
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 20, 2019 16:19:18 GMT
Soon Nu-Sony will strike again. Allowing the Cali branch to call the shots is a big mistake.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 20, 2019 16:25:12 GMT
That's exactly the argument I'm referring to, and make. Having the same or even less romance options than gay people in one game won't hurt heteros, so there's nothing to have second thoughts about. There's no good reason not to be fair, the people that concern troll about it hurting sales already declare multiple times a day that they're abandoning BioWare because of live service or frame rate or some other bullshit, so who cares? Dude. You're less than 2,5 percent of the population. I get that you want more romance to your tastes in games, I really do, but for developers to spend as many resources to satisfy you as they do to collectively satisfy the rest of their costumer base, much less trying to shame people for not getting behind that as a matter of course, isn't "fair" just because you feel unfairly treated if it isn't done. This might come as a shock to you, but having unusual tastes naturally has the consequence of narrowing down your options, whether you were born with them or developed them over time. It doesn't give you a special place in the market where you get to demand that things cater as much to you as everyone else put together because otherwise you feel alienated. You are alienated. You don't like the things most other people do. And it's not the world's responsibility to make you feel like your life or tastes are as much like everybody else's as possible. I certainly wouldn't, and don't, begrudge you one game like that, or even a few. You should give Dream Daddy a try if you haven't already. It's kickass. But you've never been talking about one game. On the contrary, I've seen you talk about splitting Bioware's audience into the deserving and the undeserving and having them forsake the vast majority of their players to only gratify a sheltered subculture that can't stand being in the room with anyone who disagrees with them. And trying to build a culture in forums of "combating" people who haven't swallowed your agenda. Which you have certainly faced some resistance to, yup. And no wonder. If everywhere you look, even very liberal and accommodating video game forums, seems like Fox News to you then it's because your thinking is so far off-center that you can't tell the difference between sense and nonsense anymore. It has already happen, though. DA2 had the same number of romances for both straight and gay people. DAI was in concept the same, with the different of a 2/2/2 ripartition then making every LI available to everyone. Cullen and Solas’ romance were added after the year extension, and they weren’t made for majority of people that played the game, straight men. ME is a different case, but DA as a series seem to be leaning more towards close if not equal options in numbers. I doubt DA4 will be different.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 20, 2019 16:37:36 GMT
Dude. You're less than 2,5 percent of the population. I get that you want more romance to your tastes in games, I really do, but for developers to spend as many resources to satisfy you as they do to collectively satisfy the rest of their costumer base, much less trying to shame people for not getting behind that as a matter of course, isn't "fair" just because you feel unfairly treated if it isn't done. That's not what I was saying. I want representation to some degree. I got that in every DA game and in ME3. I'm not concerned with the protagonist being 100% gay. Why should I be? I can RP them that way if I want though I prefer to call them all bi so I can do all kinds of flirting. I won't play as a woman to romance a man so that's where we are. Yes, we're a subsection but we're also very visible. The main issue is often that f/f romances get put in but not m/m. There's a disparity there that is unnecessary. A protagonist who can romance either gender hurts no one and I find it to be a good compromise.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 20, 2019 16:48:17 GMT
But you've never been talking about one game. On the contrary, I've seen you talk about splitting Bioware's audience into the deserving and the undeserving and having them forsake the vast majority of their players to only gratify a sheltered subculture that can't stand being in the room with anyone who disagrees with them. And trying to build a culture in forums of "combating" people who haven't swallowed your agenda. The video game industry already caters extensively to a sheltered subculture that can't stand being around people that disagree with them. I don't know, exactly, what subculture you think I'm a part of when you say this, because you insist on posting in an oblique and rambling way. Queer? Radical leftist? Some other thing? Whatever it is, this impression you have of me that I "can't stand" to be in a room with anyone who disagrees with me is absurd on its face. As you say, I'm only a tiny portion of the population. The option of only sharing space with like-minded people literally does not exist for me. I live in a reality where my basic human rights are outright denied across most of the planet, and are constantly being litigated and re-litigated everywhere else. Most days, assuming I go outside at all (which I usually do, because I have, y'know, a job and all that real life crap), I don't even have the luxury of only sharing space with people who agree that I deserve to not be murdered. Statistically, I probably rub shoulders with at least a few people who want to kill me on a daily basis. I'm not the one living in a bubble. "Liberal and accommodating" compared to what? Most other video game forums, maybe, not that that takes much, and only if you ignore the constant conservative dogwhistling that goes on around here. And a classic golden mean fallacy! Haven't seen that for a while. "Moderates" love that one. "I don't AGREE with killing gays, but do they really need to be so obnoxious about the fact that people are killing them?" The only way you'll see me swing to the right is if the wind happens to be blowing in that direction when I hang myself, but I'll take up a maga hat and a tiki torch before I embrace the utterly spineless, wilfully ignorant "thinking" of the "center" I think you're part of a subculture of kids who can't stand the idea of any injustice anywhere. And it's a subculture because the vast majority of people in every part of the world are disabused of such an unrealistic and unproductive expectation by the time they reach adulthood, if they ever have the luxury of hearing the notion proposed in the first place. Have you ever asked every one of the people rubbing shoulders with you in one day if they want you dead? Because if you did then you'd get a series of weird and confused looks from people more annoyed at you thinking you're important enough to take up their busy and self-centered time than anything you might tell them about who you are. And if you'd lived in a part of the world where that wasn't the case, which you clearly don't, the idea that equal representation in video games would be a point of significant improvement in your life is hilarious. You're not obnoxious about people killing gays, you're obnoxious about not feeling perfectly equally catered to by video game developers. Again, not quite the same thing, and the off-hand assumption that one is comparable to the other really hurts your credibility as someone with any perspective to speak of. Definitely bubbles galore. Jesus, every time you pretend that the things you're arguing here in any way relate to or help real life-ruining violent or systematic atrocities against women and minorities, which are considered a mainstream problem and which we're furiously trying to fix as societies even though it's really fucking hard and complicated to do so on any large scale, I throw up a bit in my mouth. That's not what I was saying. I want representation to some degree. I got that in every DA game and in ME3. I'm not concerned with the protagonist being 100% gay. Why should I be? I can RP them that way if I want though I prefer to call them all bi so I can do all kinds of flirting. I won't play as a woman to romance a man so that's where we are. Yes, we're a subsection but we're also very visible. The main issue is often that f/f romances get put in but not m/m. There's a disparity there that is unnecessary. A protagonist who can romance either gender hurts no one and I find it to be a good compromise. More or less my position as well. I don't think I said anything to the contrary. Homosexual players being a tiny proportion means that expecting perfect equal representation in all areas is silly, and that blaming the developers as being bigots for not delivering it out of hand is even sillier. I've never argued that there should only be a single gay romance every 5 or 6 games though, as there would be if it was kept entirely proportional. That would obviously be, and kind of is for action games in general, going too far. Nobody here is arguing against there being some representation, to my knowledge.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 20, 2019 17:03:34 GMT
The majority of players are straight men First of all, this isn't even necessarily true for Dragon Age, with 46% identifying as male and 49.5% identifying as female in this demographic survey: docs.google.com/forms/d/1PnrNtgB96NjRFc6QQhkUnPjRK51GlCCPJG4nHc6JA8Y/viewanalyticshaving them forsake the vast majority of their players to only gratify a sheltered subculture Who said anyone is being forsaken? I'm a straight male and I enjoy every well-written, authentic character presented to me. I don't litmus test by race, gender, sexuality, religion or politics. Bring it all on, for the sake of variety. This idea that fiction has to mirror the demographics of buyers is nonsense. Are we to believe that buyers are so enamored of their own reflections that they can't relate to anyone else? That every social and political inequity must by redressed in every work of fiction? I don't want ten protagonists in a row to be clones of cis-white Chad because that's not fair, but rather because that would be fucking boring. I look forward to the day when some AAA franchise finally puts the lie to this nonsense by having an all black cast, or an all female cast, or an all gay cast, or an all Zoroastrian cast -- as long as the writing is top notch. That ought to set fire to the internet. Sell me on an insightful exploration of the Human Condition and you can dress up the character in anything you want, including in drag, fur, pointy ears, or shiny grey ET skin.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 20, 2019 17:15:51 GMT
The more I think about this the more I suspect it'll be about the eccentric Japanese games and not games in general. It would open a giant can of worms otherwise. And what about last gen games since PS5 will be backwards compatible? Either way, it's stupid for Sony to play parent.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 20, 2019 17:28:05 GMT
I look forward to the day when some AAA franchise finally puts the lie to this nonsense by having an all black cast, or an all female cast, or an all gay cast, or an all Zoroastrian cast -- as long as the writing is top notch. That ought to set fire to the internet. Sell me on an insightful exploration of the Human Condition and you can dress up the character in anything you want, including in drag, fur, pointy ears, or shiny grey ET skin. Now I finally understand what it means to have something you never knew you needed until the moment you hear of it.
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Who said anyone is being forsaken? I'm a straight male and I enjoy every well-written, authentic character presented to me. I don't litmus test by race, gender, sexuality, religion or politics. Bring it all on, for the sake of variety. This idea that fiction has to mirror the demographics of buyers is nonsense. Are we to believe that buyers are so enamored of their own reflections that they can't relate to anyone else? That every social and political inequity must by redressed in every work of fiction? I don't want ten protagonists in a row to be clones of cis-white Chad because that's not fair, but rather because that would be fucking boring. I look forward to the day when some AAA franchise finally puts the lie to this nonsense by having an all black cast, or an all female cast, or an all gay cast, or an all Zoroastrian cast -- as long as the writing is top notch. That ought to set fire to the internet. Sell me on an insightful exploration of the Human Condition and you can dress up the character in anything you want, including in drag, fur, pointy ears, or shiny grey ET skin. I look forward to that too, and also enjoy when it does happen. The point I'm addressing with that remark, and the one we're talking about, is one Panda made earlier in another thread about wanting Bioware to imagine that they have two audiences, a "bigoted" one and a supposedly non-bigoted one, and going all-in on serving the tastes of the latter as he imagines them while completely ignoring the former, again, as he imagines them. Seriously, I totally agree with everything you're saying here. My last several playthroughs of either Bioware series have had all-female player characters, and dark-skinned in the case of DA, to give them exactly that edge of novelty after all the chiseled and whiskered white human male fantasy anti-heroes. At least occasional high production-value stories about or centering around parts of the population that otherwise normally don't get any attention is both refreshing and important for our social awareness. That much is indisputable. But that isn't the same as wanting every sexual orientation to be completely and perfectly equally facilitated in every single game, and any fan or developer objecting to that being disowned on principle, which is the standard Panda has repeatedly put forward for a game or its community not to be bigoted, and which I think is a terrible way to try to approach the issue.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Apr 20, 2019 17:37:09 GMT
I look forward to the day when some AAA franchise finally puts the lie to this nonsense by having an all black cast, or an all female cast, or an all gay cast, or an all Zoroastrian cast -- as long as the writing is top notch. That ought to set fire to the internet. Sell me on an insightful exploration of the Human Condition and you can dress up the character in anything you want, including in drag, fur, pointy ears, or shiny grey ET skin. Now I finally understand what it means to have something you never knew you needed until the moment you hear of it. I mean, there is one game that might satisfy some of those things. Looks pretty good.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 20, 2019 17:52:30 GMT
I look forward to the day when some AAA franchise finally puts the lie to this nonsense by having an all black cast, or an all female cast, or an all gay cast, or an all Zoroastrian cast -- as long as the writing is top notch. That ought to set fire to the internet. Sell me on an insightful exploration of the Human Condition and you can dress up the character in anything you want, including in drag, fur, pointy ears, or shiny grey ET skin. Now I finally understand what it means to have something you never knew you needed until the moment you hear of it. Many, many years ago, I saw an excellent production of Macbeth that had an all black cast. That really opened my eyes to how casting really doesn't need to have anything to do with demographics, or the context (historical/political) of the text. I mean, it was political, to be sure -- to the extent that all art is political. And I'm not saying you can tell a good, modern-day story about the persecution of Jews by casting a bunch of American skinheads as heroes and glorifying the American Nazi party; the line between freedom in casting and criminal social insensitivity isn't that narrow. I'm just saying there is a lot more freedom in casting than "the vast majority" would have you believe.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 20, 2019 17:53:49 GMT
The more I think about this the more I suspect it'll be about the eccentric Japanese games and not games in general. It would open a giant can of worms otherwise. And what about last gen games since PS5 will be backwards compatible? Either way, it's stupid for Sony to play parent. I remember when Capcom censored the Sony version of DMCV while the pc and xbox were untouched.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 20, 2019 18:07:23 GMT
Now I finally understand what it means to have something you never knew you needed until the moment you hear of it. Many, many years ago, I saw an excellent production of Macbeth that had an all black cast. That really opened my eyes to how casting really doesn't need to have anything to do with demographics, or the context (historical/political) of the text. I mean, it was political, to be sure -- to the extent that all art is political. And I'm not saying you can tell a good, modern-day story about the persecution of Jews by casting a bunch of American skinheads as heroes and glorifying the American Nazi party; the line between freedom in casting and criminal social insensitivity isn't that narrow. I'm just saying there is a lot more freedom in casting than "the vast majority" would have you believe.
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Post by Little Bengel on Apr 20, 2019 18:20:08 GMT
Now I finally understand what it means to have something you never knew you needed until the moment you hear of it. I mean, there is one game that might satisfy some of those things. Looks pretty good. I was mostly thinking of the part about setting the internet on fire, but that works as well. Then again, that game may end up having just that result. The fact that it's an interesting and original (for me) concept for a game is a nice bonus.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 20, 2019 18:25:07 GMT
This idea that fiction has to mirror the demographics of buyers is nonsense. Are we to believe that buyers are so enamored of their own reflections that they can't relate to anyone else? That every social and political inequity must by redressed in every work of fiction? I don't want ten protagonists in a row to be clones of cis-white Chad because that's not fair, but rather because that would be fucking boring. I look forward to the day when some AAA franchise finally puts the lie to this nonsense by having an all black cast, or an all female cast, or an all gay cast, or an all Zoroastrian cast -- as long as the writing is top notch. That ought to set fire to the internet. Sell me on an insightful exploration of the Human Condition and you can dress up the character in anything you want, including in drag, fur, pointy ears, or shiny grey ET skin.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 20, 2019 18:25:09 GMT
Now I finally understand what it means to have something you never knew you needed until the moment you hear of it. Many, many years ago, I saw an excellent production of Macbeth that had an all black cast. That really opened my eyes to how casting really doesn't need to have anything to do with demographics, or the context (historical/political) of the text. I mean, it was political, to be sure -- to the extent that all art is political. And I'm not saying you can tell a good, modern-day story about the persecution of Jews by casting a bunch of American skinheads as heroes and glorifying the American Nazi party; the line between freedom in casting and criminal social insensitivity isn't that narrow. I'm just saying there is a lot more freedom in casting than "the vast majority" would have you believe. I'm not sure whether you're proposing that anyone can be cast as anything without necessarily undermining the integrity of a story, or that studios can be intelligently unorthodox and surprising in their casting strategies for the specific purposes of setting up a refreshing or unusual angle or atmosphere to enhance it. Those aren't the same idea, and I'm not sure anyone is arguing against the latter, much less ""the vast majority"". Ah. Sir Roderick Ponce Von Fontlebottom. Almost never have I been so entertained by my ancestors being ruthlessly insulted and parodied.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 20, 2019 19:46:12 GMT
I don't need to see the characters naked, tbh. ME1 minimized it. What was in DAO and DA2? Can't remember. DAI was, IIRC, the one with the most nudity. I didn't especially find it gratuitous. People get naked when they have sex. Usually in these games they are full-on romances. It's normal behavior to have sex with someone you love. The opposite is abnormal unless you happen to be asexual. And, really, can everyone be catered to? As for as LGBT content, think of it from a developer perspective. The majority of players are straight men and so the content mirrors it. I know I tend to be a minority here, but I don't need my protagonist to be 100% gay. Like Shepard, Ryder, Inquisitor, the Warden and Hawke. Their particular sexuality is irrelevant since you can have them romance any romanceable character who would be interested in your gender. That's actually a hell of lot. As for me, live service is a deal breaker. Did Anthem even have an RPG aspect? If not, don't expect any romances in a live service DA game. I am a straight guy but I usually play a female protaginist if I am able. Also I think the model that they market the games towards straight men only is wrong now. While straight men may be the largest group in the market they now share a good amount with everyone else. Women are playing games in greater and greater numbers and the LGBTQ community probably does as well. Plus ALOT of straight guys have no problem with lesbian romances. Actually alot of straight guys have no problem with gay romances either. Personally I like a mixture of straight and gay characters since it gives me a reason to play as the male and female PC. I would never have played as male shep more then once if I could have all the romances be with fem shep.
DAO had the horrid underwear sex scenes and DA2 usually had a little scene of them kissing or something and then a fade to black and them talking in bed or in the bedroom.
I thought DAI and ME1 weren't graphic or unneccesary sex scenes. I had no problem with MEA sex scenes either but I will say cora's scene was pretty graphic. and that is what I was referncing when I talked about MEA having the most sex content
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