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Post by clips7 on Oct 8, 2019 2:54:57 GMT
That would be like stripping Star Trek out of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine just because some fans hated it (too dark, the first black captain and female first officer, and the assorted bullshit) and the rest say it's best show of the entire franchise, I say Mass Effect: Andromeda is the BEST Mass Effect game in the series and is one of BioWare's greatest games.
UHM...what are you implying with that REMARK sir?...hmmm?..... media2.giphy.com/media/Lcn0yF1RcLANG/giphy.gif As far as Andromeda goes?....well we have dismissed that claim.... ....j/k....i don't particularly care for it and most certainly don't see it as the best game in the series (ME2 and 3 holds that title)...BUT opinions are like a$$holes and all that jazz, so i respect everybody's view on Andromeda....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 9:33:39 GMT
Practically, Having two Mass Effect games competing against each other isn't such a hot idea. If you did both they would have to be staggered out quite a bit so the franchise didn't end up consuming itself in the marketplace. People here often complain about a general lack of space opera games in the marketplace and they are certainly impatient about waiting years for the next game to come out. I don't think two ME series running alternately (a new game released every 2 or 3 years instead of 5 or 6) would risk saturating the market... as long as they were good quality SP games (which, of themselves, are getting fewer given the move towards Live Service).
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Post by tatann on Oct 8, 2019 11:10:20 GMT
Practically, Having two Mass Effect games competing against each other isn't such a hot idea. If you did both they would have to be staggered out quite a bit so the franchise didn't end up consuming itself in the marketplace. People here often complain about a general lack of space opera games in the marketplace and they are certainly impatient about waiting years for the next game to come out. I don't think two ME series running alternately (a new game released every 2 or 3 years instead of 5 or 6) would risk saturating the market... as long as they were good quality SP games (which, of themselves, are getting fewer given the move towards Live Service). I agree, I discovered ME1 in 2009 (Steam sales for 4€). In 3 years, I got ME2 and ME3. I see absolutely no problem with it, on the contrary, it was my golden years of video gaming. If I didn't have to wait a decade for a major good SP space opera, I'd be more than happy. At least we should be getting a good cyberpunk one soon
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 8, 2019 11:17:37 GMT
The thing I liked about the Archon was he was a simple evil bastard villain, he had a plan and was going to do what it took to make it work, I didn't need to know his "tragic backstory, his morally complexity, his reasons for his actions" he was an evil bastard. I do sometimes miss the simple evil bastard villains who are evil just for to be evil. The only thing I don't like Primus is her name, coming from The Transformers fandom Primus is the god of light and creator of the Transformers and is a good guy. I don't like her name or title she should become and be called the Archon in MEA2. Primus isn't even the only Transformers reference in Mass Effect others include the Reapers and Garrus. The Reapers in original IDW TF Universe was a group of sentient WMDs who wanted to destroy all life in galaxy until Galvatron and the Decepticons killed all of them, and Garrus was the name of an Autobot who built a series of at least 9 prisons to hold the most dangerous Transformers and Garrus-9 was the setting for one the most popular (and many TF fans say the greatest TF comic book mini-series of all time) The Last Stand of the Wreckers. Plus Steve Blum did the voice of Starscream in Transformers: Prime which is an AWESOME show and you all should check it out, regardless if you're Transformers fan or not, it's got an all-star voice cast, great CGI, and great writing and characters. He also did the voice of Starscream again in the sequel series Transformers: Robots in Disguise it's OK but nowhere near as great as TF: Prime was.
I don't tend to get too hopped up over names that cross-reference different games or movies or whatever. Instead, I just tend to segregate them to being in that particular game. A lot of them are just call backs to ancient mythology anyways and I figure that no one can really "take sole possession" of such names. Primus is just Latin for "first" in my book. It's also the name of a camp stove and an internet company here in Canada.
I like both sorts of villains - straight up and complex. Some are better suited to certain genres of stories. Complex villains suit mysteries and political thrillers better than simple ones, but I prefer simpler ones in fantasies and action movies with a lot of explosions.
ETA: I had to look this up, but "archon" is the term/name for each of the nine magistrates of ancient Greece... so perhaps Bioware just means that Primus is the first of the remaining 8 (if they had plans to eventually use 8 progressively stronger archons for us to face during the course of the story). Who knows.
Personally I just thought Primus ws a titlefor jus tbeing second in command of the Kett under the Archon because it looks to me based oin MEA that the Kett are organised very simila rto the Qunari in DA in that they use titles and not names really for people. I d oagree though in that i tdepends on the story on what kind of villain suits it best. After all Saren made for a great complex villain but then ME1 wasa great mystery type story whlie Shep tried to find answers for questions like "Who are these Reapers?" and "Why do they want to wipe us out?" throughout the game.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 8, 2019 11:37:39 GMT
People here often complain about a general lack of space opera games in the marketplace and they are certainly impatient about waiting years for the next game to come out. I don't think two ME series running alternately (a new game released every 2 or 3 years instead of 5 or 6) would risk saturating the market... as long as they were good quality SP games (which, of themselves, are getting fewer given the move towards Live Service). I agree, I discovered ME1 in 2009 (Steam sales for 4€). In 3 years, I got ME2 and ME3. I see absolutely no problem with it, on the contrary, it was my golden years of video gaming. If I didn't have to wait a decade for a major good SP space opera, I'd be more than happy. At least we should be getting a good cyberpunk one soon I discovered ME in abou t2011 after i twas recommended to me I think it was just about half a year or so before ME3 dropped. As I managed to get both ME1 and ME2 on the cheap. Best bargain I think I ever got I'd say as I only paid I think £5 for ME1 and I think about £15 for ME2. Best move I ever made getting both for £20 effectivel ythe usual price for 1 game at the time really in the UK. They didn' tinclude any of the DLC's though just the base games as I nevre got the DLC's until after 3 came out. I primarily got the DLC's in a window wher things we re quiet on the gamin gfront in trems of games I was interested in. Because I already knwe even then that I was really enjoying it and wanted more and thanks to the DLC's I got it. Thinking I might go through the series again actually soon given I'm kind of in the mood for it.Not surprising really as it's been 6 months since I last played it and I'd love to use some biotics to toss enemies out the airlock again(to quote our good friend Javik).
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 8, 2019 12:07:49 GMT
People get too excited whenever they watch the next MCU cause everything after that has to have multiple connected titles going on one after the other, like an universe.
Try to apply that to AAA games.
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I agree, I discovered ME1 in 2009 (Steam sales for 4€). In 3 years, I got ME2 and ME3. I see absolutely no problem with it, on the contrary, it was my golden years of video gaming. If I didn't have to wait a decade for a major good SP space opera, I'd be more than happy. At least we should be getting a good cyberpunk one soon I discovered ME in abou t2011 after i twas recommended to me I think it was just about half a year or so before ME3 dropped. As I managed to get both ME1 and ME2 on the cheap. Best bargain I think I ever got I'd say as I only paid I think £5 for ME1 and I think about £15 for ME2. Best move I ever made getting both for £20 effectivel ythe usual price for 1 game at the time really in the UK. They didn' tinclude any of the DLC's though just the base games as I nevre got the DLC's until after 3 came out. I primarily got the DLC's in a window wher things we re quiet on the gamin gfront in trems of games I was interested in. Because I already knwe even then that I was really enjoying it and wanted more and thanks to the DLC's I got it. Thinking I might go through the series again actually soon given I'm kind of in the mood for it.Not surprising really as it's been 6 months since I last played it and I'd love to use some biotics to toss enemies out the airlock again(to quote our good friend Javik). I've been playing Bioware games since 1998. I didn't need anyone to tell me about ME.
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I discovered ME in abou t2011 after i twas recommended to me I think it was just about half a year or so before ME3 dropped. As I managed to get both ME1 and ME2 on the cheap. Best bargain I think I ever got I'd say as I only paid I think £5 for ME1 and I think about £15 for ME2. Best move I ever made getting both for £20 effectivel ythe usual price for 1 game at the time really in the UK. They didn' tinclude any of the DLC's though just the base games as I nevre got the DLC's until after 3 came out. I primarily got the DLC's in a window wher things we re quiet on the gamin gfront in trems of games I was interested in. Because I already knwe even then that I was really enjoying it and wanted more and thanks to the DLC's I got it. Thinking I might go through the series again actually soon given I'm kind of in the mood for it.Not surprising really as it's been 6 months since I last played it and I'd love to use some biotics to toss enemies out the airlock again(to quote our good friend Javik). I've been playing Bioware games since 1998. I didn't need anyone to tell me about ME. I'd only played KOTOR then ME. As soon as I saw that it was who made KOTOR I had to get it.
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Post by warden on Oct 8, 2019 18:40:56 GMT
I discovered ME in abou t2011 after i twas recommended to me I think it was just about half a year or so before ME3 dropped. As I managed to get both ME1 and ME2 on the cheap. Best bargain I think I ever got I'd say as I only paid I think £5 for ME1 and I think about £15 for ME2. Best move I ever made getting both for £20 effectivel ythe usual price for 1 game at the time really in the UK. They didn' tinclude any of the DLC's though just the base games as I nevre got the DLC's until after 3 came out. I primarily got the DLC's in a window wher things we re quiet on the gamin gfront in trems of games I was interested in. Because I already knwe even then that I was really enjoying it and wanted more and thanks to the DLC's I got it. Thinking I might go through the series again actually soon given I'm kind of in the mood for it.Not surprising really as it's been 6 months since I last played it and I'd love to use some biotics to toss enemies out the airlock again(to quote our good friend Javik). I've been playing Bioware games since 1998. I didn't need anyone to tell me about ME. I've been playing Bioware games since 2001. I hope I can enter in the veterans group with VIP pass. It counts right?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 8, 2019 18:42:30 GMT
I've been playing Bioware games since 1998. I didn't need anyone to tell me about ME. I've been playing Bioware games since 2001. I hope I can enter in the veterans group with VIP pass. It counts right? Nope! Get back in line. 😎
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Post by warden on Oct 8, 2019 18:45:22 GMT
I've been playing Bioware games since 2001. I hope I can enter in the veterans group with VIP pass. It counts right? Nope! Get back in line. 😎 Damn, I guess I need a couple more to enter. Well by the time the next BioWare game releases i'm sure i'll enter.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 9, 2019 11:21:36 GMT
I've been playing Bioware games since 2001. I hope I can enter in the veterans group with VIP pass. It counts right? Nope! Get back in line. 😎 warden you can step in front of me.
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Nope! Get back in line. 😎 warden you can step in front of me. No line cuts! 😒 Unless you wish to deal with the Commissars....
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 9, 2020 19:12:15 GMT
I'd love two ME subfranchises taking place in both galaxies and if MEA had been more successful it might have even happened.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 9, 2020 19:14:45 GMT
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Feb 9, 2020 20:45:34 GMT
Looks like someone's practicing their necromancy.... It's not necroing threads when the thread is on the first page of the forum. Forum is just not very active.
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Post by Arcian on Feb 24, 2020 13:14:53 GMT
I'd love two ME subfranchises taking place in both galaxies and if MEA had been more successful it might have even happened. What, like Star Wars:Canon vs Star Wars:Legends?
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 24, 2020 16:09:25 GMT
I'd love two ME subfranchises taking place in both galaxies and if MEA had been more successful it might have even happened. What, like Star Wars:Canon vs Star Wars:Legends? Meanwhile, Star Wars: Legends is the superior version. Man, I wish we had Ben, Jacen, Jayna and Anakin back. I pretty much hated Kylo Ren until well into TRoS. I felt that was the trajectory the TFA was pushing toward but it had a massive detour in TLJ.
If I were to do a "what if" scenario with ME, I'd likely skip traveling to Andromeda and bring in some or all of the cast to pick things up after. The Ryders might not be so whimsical following on the tail of the Reaper War, now being hardened veterans. I can see Vetra having the same role since someone like her would be needed. Even Peebee (who I don't like) could find herself investigating what we now know to be the history of the Reapers that we used to think was the Protheans. Liam as something of a low level diplomat. Drack and Cora would both be similar. Jaal would have to be entirely reworked. Reyes would probably be similar. Same with other Tempest crew. I'd also arm the Tempest because there's no way in hell it makes sense to do otherwise.
This is all ideas off the top of my head. Any can be fixed up or discarded but it would be interesting the merge MEA into the MW rather than discard the characters entirely.
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Post by sassafrassa on Feb 25, 2020 16:38:30 GMT
Nothing about Andromeda has grabbed my curiosity and made me care too much about the future of that side of the setting. So... "No". For all intents and purposes Andromeda may as well just be a blank slate. In contrast the Milky Way has all this rich history and context that I really want to see explored properly. My ideal future for Mass Effect would be a series of games that explore the interaction and competition between the various species in the Milky Way, the different factions, different ideologies, and effects of various technologies. Considering how much is left to be exploited about the Milky Way setting I don't see why it was ever necessary to wipe the slate and go to Andromeda in the first place. Granted, a one-off story or even series about a colonization effort there has some creative potential... but Andromeda doesn't realize that anyway. All Andromeda gave us was the Milky Way in a different coat of paint. Inferior paint that is peeling.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Feb 26, 2020 0:44:03 GMT
Nothing about Andromeda has grabbed my curiosity and made me care too much about the future of that side of the setting. So... "No". For all intents and purposes Andromeda may as well just be a blank slate. In contrast the Milky Way has all this rich history and context that I really want to see explored properly. My ideal future for Mass Effect would be a series of games that explore the interaction and competition between the various species in the Milky Way, the different factions, different ideologies, and effects of various technologies. Considering how much is left to be exploited about the Milky Way setting I don't see why it was ever necessary to wipe the slate and go to Andromeda in the first place. Granted, a one-off story or even series about a colonization effort there has some creative potential... but Andromeda doesn't realize that anyway. All Andromeda gave us was the Milky Way in a different coat of paint. Inferior paint that is peeling. I liked MEA but the premis was silly unless they knew reapers were coming from the start. The milky way is only 1% explored. Why not keep exploring the milky way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 1:16:31 GMT
Nothing about Andromeda has grabbed my curiosity and made me care too much about the future of that side of the setting. So... "No". For all intents and purposes Andromeda may as well just be a blank slate. In contrast the Milky Way has all this rich history and context that I really want to see explored properly. My ideal future for Mass Effect would be a series of games that explore the interaction and competition between the various species in the Milky Way, the different factions, different ideologies, and effects of various technologies. Considering how much is left to be exploited about the Milky Way setting I don't see why it was ever necessary to wipe the slate and go to Andromeda in the first place. Granted, a one-off story or even series about a colonization effort there has some creative potential... but Andromeda doesn't realize that anyway. All Andromeda gave us was the Milky Way in a different coat of paint. Inferior paint that is peeling. I liked MEA but the premis was silly unless they knew reapers were coming from the start. The milky way is only 1% explored. Why not keep exploring the milky way.
That's a nonsense question when you're applying it to a fictional universe. Nothing of it has been "unexplored" because what has not been presented to us has not been "created" by the authors of the game. They wanted to create a story in another galaxy and did not want to pursue trying to create another story in their fictional version of the Milky Way. Furthermore, IRL, we haven't yet explored all of our own planet and back in 1962 when President Kennedy committed the US to spending a huge amount of money (the equivalent today of about $200 Billion) on the idea of putting a human on the moon, we had explored even less of our own planet. It wasn't "necessary;" it was what JFK wanted to do
sassafrassa - Since the authors of Andromeda would have been the same ones creating your "unexplored" portions of the Milky Way, the "coat of paint" you refer to would have been the same in either fictional galaxy. Regardless of where they put the next ME game, it will be the same authors and artists creating the story... so, whatever they create for "new planets" etc. would be the same regardless of what galaxy they attach them to. Setting it in the Milky Way would not have been a magic pill that would have made ME:A any different. They likely still would have created a Voeld and a Havarl and an Elaaden, etc.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 26, 2020 8:33:17 GMT
Nothing about Andromeda has grabbed my curiosity and made me care too much about the future of that side of the setting. So... "No". For all intents and purposes Andromeda may as well just be a blank slate. In contrast the Milky Way has all this rich history and context that I really want to see explored properly. My ideal future for Mass Effect would be a series of games that explore the interaction and competition between the various species in the Milky Way, the different factions, different ideologies, and effects of various technologies. Considering how much is left to be exploited about the Milky Way setting I don't see why it was ever necessary to wipe the slate and go to Andromeda in the first place. Granted, a one-off story or even series about a colonization effort there has some creative potential... but Andromeda doesn't realize that anyway. All Andromeda gave us was the Milky Way in a different coat of paint. Inferior paint that is peeling. I liked MEA but the premis was silly unless they knew reapers were coming from the start. The milky way is only 1% explored. Why not keep exploring the milky way.
Exploring any part of the Milky Way requires finally settling on an actual world state post-ME3. Doesn’t matter how remote. The effect of the final decision is everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 12:30:41 GMT
I liked MEA but the premis was silly unless they knew reapers were coming from the start. The milky way is only 1% explored. Why not keep exploring the milky way.
Exploring any part of the Milky Way requires finally settling on an actual world state post-ME3. Doesn’t matter how remote. The effect of the final decision is everywhere. This too... and that people here do not seem amenable to moving the timeline forward far enough to allow for another event to equalize/negate the disparate ending states and allow the galaxy to move forward from a single ending state without declaring one of the endings canon Declaring a canon is something that Bioware, from the outset, has stated they do not want to do. So Bioware chose to go to Andromeda instead because that's what they wanted to do... and they chose to make the AI's "reasons" much as the same as Kennedy's for choosing to go to the moon. I think it was a good premise... it just couldn't overcome the fans who still want to force Bioware to declare the Destroy ending the "right" choice to have made at the end of ME3.
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Post by Polka Dot on Feb 26, 2020 15:54:40 GMT
Nothing about Andromeda has grabbed my curiosity and made me care too much about the future of that side of the setting. So... "No". For all intents and purposes Andromeda may as well just be a blank slate. That's kinda the point of a fresh start in a new world. The blank slate from which to create anew. Players were spoon-fed that "rich history and context" by Avina and other characters as they started playing the trilogy. An entire galaxy's worth, as the Citadel species were spread out across the entire galaxy, linked by mass relays, and had already formed power structures and relationships. "Hello, ambassador - tell me about your species." That's pretty much what Andromeda was designed to do. Instead of being spoon-fed the known history and culture, you're left to explore and discover it as you go. There is much yet to discover about the jardaan, the kett, remnant technologies, the background mysteries of the Ai itself. And we've only been in a single cluster thus far. Because BioWare chose to end the trilogy with the TMW in an untenable state for future games? They've had but a single game to try. I understand MEA could have been better on several fronts - and so does BioWare. Given a chance, I think they can make a better game next time.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 26, 2020 16:29:19 GMT
Nothing about Andromeda has grabbed my curiosity and made me care too much about the future of that side of the setting. So... "No". For all intents and purposes Andromeda may as well just be a blank slate. In contrast the Milky Way has all this rich history and context that I really want to see explored properly. My ideal future for Mass Effect would be a series of games that explore the interaction and competition between the various species in the Milky Way, the different factions, different ideologies, and effects of various technologies. Considering how much is left to be exploited about the Milky Way setting I don't see why it was ever necessary to wipe the slate and go to Andromeda in the first place. Granted, a one-off story or even series about a colonization effort there has some creative potential... but Andromeda doesn't realize that anyway. All Andromeda gave us was the Milky Way in a different coat of paint. Inferior paint that is peeling. Well, in a sense it wasn't entirely necessary. However, this comes with the caveat that BioWare would need to decide a hard direction to go in in order to expand upon an established universe. It's not so much that the slate is wiped clean, so much as Mass Effect 3 basically leaves hugely divergent paths for the future of the setting. Even if you put aside the actual ending choice, the fact that 4 entire species can be wiped out in the end doesn't leave much to follow, other than simply canonizing their survival or demise. In terms of exploration, in practice there's actually nothing there to begin with. It's all in a state of flux so long as the ending is left up to the player choice.
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