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Post by biggydx on Apr 23, 2019 22:37:52 GMT
Nope. Most of what we know about Joplin was largely conceptual to begin with, and even Schreiers article mentioned that the team working on Joplin expected it to change multiple times. Leaking whatever was constructed for the Joplin story line would do no one any good, and would could potentially create unreleastic expectations of what DA4's story ends up like.
It'd be better to just wait and see what the game looks like. Also, lets not forget about that time the story leaked for ME3, and how it got a last minute change.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 24, 2019 0:06:52 GMT
When did they say DA4 is gonna be live service. They said they were looking at ways to extend it's playtime and pay outs. I expect that means alot of MP and upgrades and extra maps from MP over the games life post release. I doubt they are gonna make an MMO.
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Post by melbella on Apr 24, 2019 0:58:19 GMT
Didn't they already with the "Salos" article?
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Post by biggydx on Apr 24, 2019 5:56:14 GMT
When did they say DA4 is gonna be live service. They said they were looking at ways to extend it's playtime and pay outs. I expect that means alot of MP and upgrades and extra maps from MP over the games life post release. I doubt they are gonna make an MMO. Mike Gamble specifically mentioned on Twitter that the game was getting a "reboot" to add live service elements.
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Post by river82 on Apr 24, 2019 7:17:11 GMT
Not only am I against this idea on a practical level (what would be the point), I am fundamentally against the principle behind the idea. For example, hypothetically speaking if I were working on something creative and someone showed some rando my early work, I would disembowel the offender with a spoon.
Hypothetically of course.
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Post by Zatche on Apr 24, 2019 12:55:07 GMT
When did they say DA4 is gonna be live service. They said they were looking at ways to extend it's playtime and pay outs. I expect that means alot of MP and upgrades and extra maps from MP over the games life post release. I doubt they are gonna make an MMO. I think this is a common misconception. Live service doesnt necessarily mean MMO or "shared world" or even multiplayer. It's what you described they are doing, extending playtime and pay outs. The recent Assassin's Creed games are live service, for example.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 30, 2019 16:43:04 GMT
When did they say DA4 is gonna be live service It's in the Schreier article. Joplin got canceled and resurrected into Morrison, with the implication that it would be modified to support Live Service elements. Even Casey made a tweet about it, but only implied as to it being "live storytelling" so that they can add more SP content down the line "very character and story driven" if I recall his line correctly. The recent Assassin's Creed games are live service, for example. I only played Odyssey and I can tell you, it's the best and most Bioware-like experience I've had in nearly a decade. The "live" part of its service didn't hamper it at all, as Ubisoft delivered a meaty, fulfilling experience from the get go. While it still has a lot of the things that bog down Andromeda as well, reuse of assets, bugs, fetch quests and repetition, it masks all that with a variety of activities and terrain/layout that most objectives feel different enough to maintain that illusion for the gameplay loop, 160 hours down the line. For me, at least. Plus, Kassandra is easy on the eyes. And ears, if that's your thing. Melissanthi Mahut may not be Courtenay Taylor, nor Gray DeLisle but she's pretty soothing to hear. Frida Wolf is nice too, but I disliked both Ryders' dialogue content. Scott was entirely insufferable.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 30, 2019 23:17:55 GMT
When did they say DA4 is gonna be live service It's in the Schreier article. Joplin got canceled and resurrected into Morrison, with the implication that it would be modified to support Live Service elements. Even Casey made a tweet about it, but only implied as to it being "live storytelling" so that they can add more SP content down the line "very character and story driven" if I recall his line correctly. The recent Assassin's Creed games are live service, for example. I only played Odyssey and I can tell you, it's the best and most Bioware-like experience I've had in nearly a decade. The "live" part of its service didn't hamper it at all, as Ubisoft delivered a meaty, fulfilling experience from the get go. While it still has a lot of the things that bog down Andromeda as well, reuse of assets, bugs, fetch quests and repetition, it masks all that with a variety of activities and terrain/layout that most objectives feel different enough to maintain that illusion for the gameplay loop, 160 hours down the line. For me, at least. Plus, Kassandra is easy on the eyes. And ears, if that's your thing. Melissanthi Mahut may not be Courtenay Taylor, nor Gray DeLisle but she's pretty soothing to hear. Frida Wolf is nice too, but I disliked both Ryders' dialogue content. Scott was entirely insufferable. I didn't read casey hudson's tweet (I hate and avoid twitter) However what that sounds like to me is LOTS of dlc. Which I am fine with. People make it sound like they are talking about an MMO.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 30, 2019 23:35:57 GMT
I didn't read casey hudson's tweet (I hate and avoid twitter) However what that sounds like to me is LOTS of dlc. Which I am fine with. People make it sound like they are talking about an MMO. Well, we aren't entirely sure yet. Casey makes it sound like that, but Casey has made erroneous promises before. Personally, I can't see it getting implemented in any other way than what you propose. I think it is the only viable way.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 30, 2019 23:44:59 GMT
I didn't read casey hudson's tweet (I hate and avoid twitter) However what that sounds like to me is LOTS of dlc. Which I am fine with. People make it sound like they are talking about an MMO. Well, we aren't entirely sure yet. Casey makes it sound like that, but Casey has made erroneous promises before. Personally, I can't see it getting implemented in any other way than what you propose. I think it is the only viable way. Agreed. I said it before they could easily have one team work on the "base" game and a few dlcs that directly relate to the story and main game. Then have another team who cranks out dlc's like overlord for ME2. It was a side story that besides for a few war assets, and some dialouge,a few upgrades,and an email from TIM in ME2, changed absolutely nothing in ME3 or ME2. Yet ALOT of people bought it. They could easily do it and rake in the money.
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Post by river82 on Apr 30, 2019 23:50:16 GMT
It's in the Schreier article. Joplin got canceled and resurrected into Morrison, with the implication that it would be modified to support Live Service elements. Even Casey made a tweet about it, but only implied as to it being "live storytelling" so that they can add more SP content down the line "very character and story driven" if I recall his line correctly. I only played Odyssey and I can tell you, it's the best and most Bioware-like experience I've had in nearly a decade. The "live" part of its service didn't hamper it at all, as Ubisoft delivered a meaty, fulfilling experience from the get go. While it still has a lot of the things that bog down Andromeda as well, reuse of assets, bugs, fetch quests and repetition, it masks all that with a variety of activities and terrain/layout that most objectives feel different enough to maintain that illusion for the gameplay loop, 160 hours down the line. For me, at least. Plus, Kassandra is easy on the eyes. And ears, if that's your thing. Melissanthi Mahut may not be Courtenay Taylor, nor Gray DeLisle but she's pretty soothing to hear. Frida Wolf is nice too, but I disliked both Ryders' dialogue content. Scott was entirely insufferable. I didn't read casey hudson's tweet (I hate and avoid twitter) However what that sounds like to me is LOTS of dlc. Which I am fine with. People make it sound like they are talking about an MMO. No. The article said DA:4 was rebooted to include more live service elements, Casey clarified live service to mean playable once the game is over, he didn't deny the 'live service' aspect, live services (when used) don't mean DLC. You don't need to reboot a game back to the design level to add DLC. What you're likely looking at is something like Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Or weaving in continuous "events" within the game.
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Post by cankiie on May 1, 2019 0:00:03 GMT
Games as a service is fraud
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Post by river82 on May 1, 2019 0:02:09 GMT
Games as a service is fraud It's a really interesting video and I'm glad I watched it, but he limits the scope of his discussion to only those which are always online and not subscription based. Like Anthem. But that's unlikely to be DA:4
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2019 0:12:13 GMT
*snip* Games as a service is fraud No it's not.
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Post by cankiie on May 1, 2019 0:21:04 GMT
Games as a service is fraud It's a really interesting video and I'm glad I watched it, but he limits the scope of his discussion to only those which are always online and not subscription based. Like Anthem. But that's unlikely to be DA:4 I doubt it is unlikely at this point. Also, I suppose an argument could be made for the clients of Steam and Origin, which are basically requirements for the game keys that you purchase. You could technically backup a saved game on a USB... I am not entirely sure if that backup would work though if the clients no longer exist.
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Post by cankiie on May 1, 2019 0:23:13 GMT
*snip* Games as a service is fraud No it's not. But it is.
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Post by cankiie on May 1, 2019 0:29:57 GMT
I am not about to go through every single point presented in a 1 hour video. I'd suggest watching it, grab some snacks, a piece of cake, a cup of tea or whatever and enjoy. Of course, not much to do with people who would just bend over for large corporations and be their toys. I mean, some people are into that, under other circumstances and with other partners I would be too ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) But they are fraud.
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Post by river82 on May 1, 2019 0:30:46 GMT
It's a really interesting video and I'm glad I watched it, but he limits the scope of his discussion to only those which are always online and not subscription based. Like Anthem. But that's unlikely to be DA:4 I doubt it is unlikely at this point. Also, I suppose an argument could be made for the clients of Steam and Origin, which are basically requirements for the game keys that you purchase. You could technically backup a saved game on a USB... I am not entirely sure if that backup would work though if the clients no longer exist. There's so many things going against a DA MMO right now. One of the more practical reasons would be I doubt Bioware has the resources (and experience but whatever) to pull off 2 MMOs running side by side, and develop a new Mass Effect game which is what Casey said he wanted to do.
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Post by cankiie on May 1, 2019 0:34:03 GMT
I doubt it is unlikely at this point. Also, I suppose an argument could be made for the clients of Steam and Origin, which are basically requirements for the game keys that you purchase. You could technically backup a saved game on a USB... I am not entirely sure if that backup would work though if the clients no longer exist. There's so many things going against a DA MMO right now. One of the more practical reasons would be I doubt Bioware has the resources (and experience but whatever) to pull off 2 MMOs running side by side, and develop a new Mass Effect game which is what Casey said he wanted to do. If Anthem has taught me anything. Then it is that the leadership in bioware have no balls, and no say whatsoever in whatever is going to happen in Bioware. Nor do they have any sense of the skills of their developers, or any respect for their developers. Anthem's production and Anthem itself have proven this much. EA say, Bioware do.
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Post by TabithaTH on May 2, 2019 13:45:58 GMT
To answer the OP question: It's already too late.
That can has been opened and people are already comparing what could have been to what may happen. Just mentioning Joplin is enough to spark people's fantasies about the game. Especially since the fear of what Live Services may entail is very real. It's just easier to imagine something better than your worst nightmare of a game.
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Post by colfoley on May 2, 2019 20:08:45 GMT
To answer the OP question: It's already too late. That can has been opened and people are already comparing what could have been to what may happen. Just mentioning Joplin is enough to spark people's fantasies about the game. Especially since the fear of what Live Services may entail is very real. It's just easier to imagine something better than your worst nightmare of a game. same thing happened with the ending to ME 3 and that *original* ending was floated and people were like ' that sounds so much better' when we just don't know.
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Post by alanc9 on May 2, 2019 20:40:50 GMT
I am not about to go through every single point presented in a 1 hour video. I'd suggest watching it, grab some snacks, a piece of cake, a cup of tea or whatever and enjoy. Not entertaining enough to enjoy, so that's out. In general, I'm not sold on the format for actually discussing issues. But I see how it's helpful for people who can't actually make their own arguments.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 2, 2019 20:55:04 GMT
But I see how it's helpful for people who can't actually make their own arguments. Or people who just don't have the patience to argue the same thing for the 100th time, to people that simply don't care to hear a dissenting opinion.
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Post by smilesja on May 2, 2019 20:57:11 GMT
But I see how it's helpful for people who can't actually make their own arguments. Or people who just don't have the patience to argue the same thing for the 100th time, to people that simply don't care to hear a dissenting opinion. Yeah people on both sides need to listen to each other.
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