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Post by Catilina on Jun 3, 2017 17:38:18 GMT
Guuuys. I legit need Fenris in DA4. I would be happy to see him every time, but I think I would be disappointed. Fenris has many possible fates: could be dead, slave, alive. He perhaps live alone, or with Hawke. I don't think, they can handle it well: even Hawke's blood magic caused a serious problem to them, or in DA2 if Zevran romanced the Warden and stayed with him/her, still offered himself to Hawke because of a bug, what never was fixed...
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Post by lucidae on Jun 3, 2017 18:07:43 GMT
Guuuys. I legit need Fenris in DA4. I would be happy to see him every time, but I think I would be disappointed. Fenris has many possible fates: could be dead, slave, alive. He perhaps live alone, or with Hawke. I don't think, they can handle it well: even Hawke's blood magic caused a serious problem to them, or in DA2 if Zevran romanced the Warden and stayed with him/her, still offered himself to Hawke because of a bug, what never was fixed... My opinion is if Leliana can come back because she had a lyrium body. Then Fenris can come back because he has true vallaslin. Dude is a lyrium cyborg. I'm also ok with him not coming back in playthroughs where he is dead though as I don't see him being a companion. If he's a slave he could escape again, or we could free him in a quest (the quest's purpose wouldn't be to free him, it would be an interesting development of the quest) and if he's free and alive he would be hunting down slavers and freeing fellow slaves.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 3, 2017 18:40:21 GMT
I would be happy to see him every time, but I think I would be disappointed. Fenris has many possible fates: could be dead, slave, alive. He perhaps live alone, or with Hawke. I don't think, they can handle it well: even Hawke's blood magic caused a serious problem to them, or in DA2 if Zevran romanced the Warden and stayed with him/her, still offered himself to Hawke because of a bug, what never was fixed... My opinion is if Leliana can come back because she had a lyrium body. Then Fenris can come back because he has true vallaslin. Dude is a lyrium cyborg. I'm also ok with him not coming back in playthroughs where he is dead though as I don't see him being a companion. If he's a slave he could escape again, or we could free him in a quest (the quest's purpose wouldn't be to free him, it would be an interesting development of the quest) and if he's free and alive he would be hunting down slavers and freeing fellow slaves. Yes, there are many reasons for a Fenris cameo, the problem is that Bioware can't handle it, they demonstrated not once that (Blood Mage Hawke in Inquisition, Zevran, Anders supportive Hawke – "not a monster, nor a hero, maybe he's both...etc"), true there were some nice example too (Morrigan, if romanced the Warden, or Morrigan with Alistair/Loghain; Loghain's cameo [but King Alistair was disappointing]; Anders romanced Hawke's rebel outlaws story line). So: despite that, I liked the Here Lies the Abyss quest, I wasn't fully satisfied with my Hawkes.
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Post by lucidae on Jun 3, 2017 18:50:30 GMT
My opinion is if Leliana can come back because she had a lyrium body. Then Fenris can come back because he has true vallaslin. Dude is a lyrium cyborg. I'm also ok with him not coming back in playthroughs where he is dead though as I don't see him being a companion. If he's a slave he could escape again, or we could free him in a quest (the quest's purpose wouldn't be to free him, it would be an interesting development of the quest) and if he's free and alive he would be hunting down slavers and freeing fellow slaves. Yes, there are many reasons for a Fenris cameo, the problem is that Bioware can't handle it, they demonstrated not once that (Blood Mage Hawke in Inquisition, Zevran, Anders supportive Hawke – "not a monster, nor a hero, maybe he's both...etc"), true there were some nice example too (Morrigan, if romanced the Warden, or Morrigan with Alistair/Loghain; Loghain's cameo [but King Alistair was disappointing]; Anders romanced Hawke's rebel outlaws story line). So: despite that, I liked the Here Lies the Abyss quest, I wasn't fully satisfied with my Hawkes. I think they can do a good job. The Zevran thing didn't really bother me because I blame the short development cycle DA2 had for that. What bothered me more with his cameo is when he helps you fight Meredith. Like what? xD As for some of the others you mentioned they didn't really bother me or I didn't really notice anything wrong. But I'm probably not as detail oriented as you. I really like Patrick Weekes' work and think he would do a good job leading the reigns on something with Fenris involved. I think he would be great at guiding the story development of a character like him. Doesn't mean I think Weekes would write him. But he is lead writer. So everything ultimately will be ok'd by him.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 3, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
Yes, there are many reasons for a Fenris cameo, the problem is that Bioware can't handle it, they demonstrated not once that (Blood Mage Hawke in Inquisition, Zevran, Anders supportive Hawke – "not a monster, nor a hero, maybe he's both...etc"), true there were some nice example too (Morrigan, if romanced the Warden, or Morrigan with Alistair/Loghain; Loghain's cameo [but King Alistair was disappointing]; Anders romanced Hawke's rebel outlaws story line). So: despite that, I liked the Here Lies the Abyss quest, I wasn't fully satisfied with my Hawkes. I think they can do a good job. The Zevran thing didn't really bother me because I blame the short development cycle DA2 had for that. What bothered me more with his cameo is when he helps you fight Meredith. Like what? xD As for some of the others you mentioned they didn't really bother me or I didn't really notice anything wrong. But I'm probably not as detail oriented as you. I really like Patrick Weekes' work and think he would do a good job leading the reigns on something with Fenris involved. I think he would be great at guiding the story development of a character like him. Doesn't mean I think Weekes would write him. But he is lead writer. So everything ultimately will be ok'd by him. This Zevran thing was not fixed later too. Eh nevermind, there is a free mod for it... Why helps Zevran? Because Hawke helped him? Nathaniel Howe helps too... by the way Nathaniel cameo, and Anders, if he "died " in the Vigil's Keep (Awakening): So: probably you're right, Bioware really clever with to explain some characters' wonderful resurrection... An interesting question is Fenris' lyrium tattoo: this could be deadly. Question, how Bioware handle this. Or just ignore this.
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Post by lucidae on Jun 3, 2017 20:05:29 GMT
An interesting question is Fenris' lyrium tattoo: this could be deadly. Question, how Bioware handle this. Or just ignore this. I haven't really followed this thread or anything so I don't know if people have already come to a consensus on this: For his lyrium tattoo, I think Danarius actually rediscovered (found some ancient elvhen text explaining the process or something) the true art/form of elvhen vallaslin. I think Fenris has true vallaslin whereas the dalish just have a mock aesthetic copy of it. Fenris vallaslin probably isn't as powerful as the elvhen version (I think theirs was done with red lyrium via the paintings we see in DAI), but he has the closest thing to it on Thedas right now. So because of his vallaslin, his disdain for magic, disdain for slavery, and so on I have such a hard time not seeing him in DA4. I want to see what he is going to do! I can't imagine him just chilling out silently during all this!!! AAAAHHHH -fan girling-
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Post by Catilina on Jun 3, 2017 20:28:45 GMT
An interesting question is Fenris' lyrium tattoo: this could be deadly. Question, how Bioware handle this. Or just ignore this. I haven't really followed this thread or anything so I don't know if people have already come to a consensus on this: For his lyrium tattoo, I think Danarius actually rediscovered (found some ancient elvhen text explaining the process or something) the true art/form of elvhen vallaslin. I think Fenris has true vallaslin whereas the dalish just have a mock aesthetic copy of it. Fenris vallaslin probably isn't as powerful as the elvhen version (I think theirs was done with red lyrium via the paintings we see in DAI), but he has the closest thing to it on Thedas right now. So because of his vallaslin, his disdain for magic, disdain for slavery, and so on I have such a hard time not seeing him in DA4. I want to see what he is going to do! I can't imagine him just chilling out silently during all this!!! AAAAHHHH -fan girling- I know nothing about his lyrium tattoo, except, that this is lyrium, and the lyrium seems not as friendly stuff... we not really talked about this here, except one-two comments, and I read something, that Danarius handled this from time to time. But I said: I'm not sure about this information's source. I'm not sure, that he wants to go back to Tevinter, but not excluded.
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Post by lucidae on Jun 3, 2017 22:32:58 GMT
I haven't really followed this thread or anything so I don't know if people have already come to a consensus on this: For his lyrium tattoo, I think Danarius actually rediscovered (found some ancient elvhen text explaining the process or something) the true art/form of elvhen vallaslin. I think Fenris has true vallaslin whereas the dalish just have a mock aesthetic copy of it. Fenris vallaslin probably isn't as powerful as the elvhen version (I think theirs was done with red lyrium via the paintings we see in DAI), but he has the closest thing to it on Thedas right now. So because of his vallaslin, his disdain for magic, disdain for slavery, and so on I have such a hard time not seeing him in DA4. I want to see what he is going to do! I can't imagine him just chilling out silently during all this!!! AAAAHHHH -fan girling- I know nothing about his lyrium tattoo, except, that this is lyrium, and the lyrium seems not as friendly stuff... we not really talked about this here, except one-two comments, and I read something, that Danarius handled this from time to time. But I said: I'm not sure about this information's source. I'm not sure, that he wants to go back to Tevinter, but not excluded. My theory mostly comes from educated guesses based on little things throughout the games. - The markings themselves remind me of other patterns we've seen made by elves.
- Vallaslin being just tattoos with no real power seems weak story wise so it makes sense to me that they would use magic.
- Most magic techniques/discoveries in Tevinter are taken from ancient elves.
- The paintings of slave elves with red markings that we see in DAI. I think theirs was made with red lyrium because of the paintings and because Solas makes it pretty clear that the blight existed during the time of elvhenan
- Vallaslin were used on slaves and Fenris was a slave
- Simple tattoo removal can't remove vallaslin, only Solas knows the technique to do it. No one seems to know how to remove Fenris' markings
- Lyrium existed during the time of elvhenan, it is titan's blood. We know that at least some of the evanuris killed titans
I think I may have forgotten a few things. But that's a lot of stuff that explains my reasoning behind it.
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Post by phoray on Jun 6, 2017 14:53:16 GMT
Totally happened like this.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 6, 2017 19:07:33 GMT
phoray I love it I wouldn't be me if, after seeing one silly thing, I wouldn't look for another. And of course stumbled upon this. I'm dying.
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Post by ninjanightngale on Jun 9, 2017 12:26:45 GMT
Guuuys. I legit need Fenris in DA4. I would be so down for this
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Post by ninjanightngale on Jun 9, 2017 12:41:03 GMT
In DAI, I have to keep Hawke alive. I couldn't do that to Fenris or Varric. It was easier killing (apparently as we never actually know) Stroud than it was Alistair. yes, this. Hawke stays!
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Post by Catilina on Jun 9, 2017 14:18:26 GMT
In DAI, I have to keep Hawke alive. I couldn't do that to Fenris or Varric. It was easier killing (apparently as we never actually know) Stroud than it was Alistair. yes, this. Hawke stays! I don't really care about Varric, but Hawke's all LI deserved him/her alive. Merrill's disowned by her clan. Isabela didn't have anyone who she really trusted. Anders only once was able to trust and love someone, but he's died by Anders own hand. (Except: In rivalry Anders deserves a dead Hawke, and a chance to calm down finally.) Fenris doesn't remember on anyone who can be trusted and love. He deserves a true long term love and a happiness. (This is why I not really want to see him in the next DA. I afraid from the disappointment) And Hawke the best hero ever!
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Post by lucidae on Jun 11, 2017 8:22:19 GMT
Hey peeps, was there ever an official reason given as to why the DA novel featuring Fenris got cancelled?
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Post by phoray on Jun 11, 2017 17:30:35 GMT
Hey peeps, was there ever an official reason given as to why the DA novel featuring Fenris got cancelled? Memory fuzzy, but I think Gaider was writing it and he quit Dragon Age. Couldn't take the book with him, and I guess no one else was interested in writing it so poof
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Post by phoray on Jun 11, 2017 17:34:07 GMT
I don't really care about Varric, but Hawke's all LI deserved him/her alive. Merrill's disowned by her clan. Isabela didn't have anyone who she really trusted. Anders only once was able to trust and love someone, but he's died by Anders own hand. (Except: In rivalry Anders deserves a dead Hawke, and a chance to calm down finally.) Fenris doesn't remember on anyone who can be trusted and love. He deserves a true long term love and a happiness. (This is why I not really want to see him in the next DA. I afraid from the disappointment) And Hawke the best hero ever! I feel like Merril accepted that she'd been disowned and survived the expense of that decision well. She's a strong woman with a goal she's passionate about, and I think she could handle Hawke dying fine. I also think Isabella would not wind her world around the regret of Hawke's death. Her heart will be just that much more open to meeting someone new now that she's had a successful relationship. It's Fenris and Anders who don't quite seem healthy enough to find someone new after Hawke's death. They are the most affected by Hawke's involvement in their life on every level.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 11, 2017 22:04:52 GMT
I don't really care about Varric, but Hawke's all LI deserved him/her alive. Merrill's disowned by her clan. Isabela didn't have anyone who she really trusted. Anders only once was able to trust and love someone, but he's died by Anders own hand. (Except: In rivalry Anders deserves a dead Hawke, and a chance to calm down finally.) Fenris doesn't remember on anyone who can be trusted and love. He deserves a true long term love and a happiness. (This is why I not really want to see him in the next DA. I afraid from the disappointment) And Hawke the best hero ever! I feel like Merril accepted that she'd been disowned and survived the expense of that decision well. She's a strong woman with a goal she's passionate about, and I think she could handle Hawke dying fine. I also think Isabella would not wind her world around the regret of Hawke's death. Her heart will be just that much more open to meeting someone new now that she's had a successful relationship. It's Fenris and Anders who don't quite seem healthy enough to find someone new after Hawke's death. They are the most affected by Hawke's involvement in their life on every level. I suppose they all would survive, but not all the same, how. But yes, I could agree, that Merrill and Isabela could take easier Hawke's death. But they don't deserve better, just because they seem strong? Fenris also strong and even Anders, they also able to found a goal, true, I don't think, they would soon look for someone. Anders probably never more, Fenris have a chance. Later.
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Post by algaeabomination on Jun 12, 2017 9:56:42 GMT
This is why I not really want to see him in the next DA. I afraid from the disappointment That's why I don't want to see him again. I don't trust the writers not to mess up his character, or kill him off or something (like the Fenris vs. Dorian that people seem to want. No thanks) He and Hawke retire to a farm and live happily ever after and I'll not hear anything to the contrary
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Post by Catilina on Jun 12, 2017 10:04:10 GMT
This is why I not really want to see him in the next DA. I afraid from the disappointment That's why I don't want to see him again. I don't trust the writers not to mess up his character, or kill him off or something (like the Fenris vs. Dorian that people seem to want. No thanks) He and Hawke retire to a farm and live happily ever after and I'll not hear anything to the contrary Not mentioned, that Gaider's gone, so: there's a risk, that he would not the same as was before (not sure, but still). Or his appearance changes, as Zevran's in DA2... And yes: Bioware loves the tragic decisions: Alistair/Hawke hurt many people, especially if their warden was in love with Alistair.
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Post by algaeabomination on Jun 12, 2017 10:22:01 GMT
That's why I don't want to see him again. I don't trust the writers not to mess up his character, or kill him off or something (like the Fenris vs. Dorian that people seem to want. No thanks) He and Hawke retire to a farm and live happily ever after and I'll not hear anything to the contrary Not mentioned, that Gaider's gone, so: there's a risk, that he would not the same as was before (not sure, but still). Or his appearance changes, as Zevran's in DA2... And yes: Bioware loves the tragic decisions: Alistair/Hawke hurt many people, especially if their warden was in love with Alistair. It's not so much that it's a tragic decision, it's pitting two of the very few LGBT characters against each other, all in the name of angst (and Bury Your Gays is a trope I'm really tired of seeing, and one that BW likes to indulge in way to much. Personally, I think it's more comparable to Demands of the Qun. But then I don't really care about Alistair )
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Post by Catilina on Jun 12, 2017 10:40:17 GMT
Not mentioned, that Gaider's gone, so: there's a risk, that he would not the same as was before (not sure, but still). Or his appearance changes, as Zevran's in DA2... And yes: Bioware loves the tragic decisions: Alistair/Hawke hurt many people, especially if their warden was in love with Alistair. It's not so much that it's a tragic decision, it's pitting two of the very few LGBT characters against each other, all in the name of angst (and Bury Your Gays is a trope I'm really tired of seeing, and one that BW likes to indulge in way to much. Personally, I think it's more comparable to Demands of the Qun. But then I don't really care about Alistair ) You thought about Anders and Fenris, you don't? I see that more forced Mage–Templar conflict between them, and yes, they both are tortured in their past. I hate this, their fate's not so different, but I understand, why they can't be friends... at least in Kirkwall, in this situation. But I agree, would be nice a gay/bi character without angst, promiscuity or daddy issues... we need a gay/bi character, who's not that "questionable", if you understand, what I want to say – my English is shit.... (+ Even Leandra, who accept's his daughter/son's choice, spoke about an arranged marriage...) (By the way LGBT: much more annoy me, that Anders doesn't talk about his relationship to fem!Hawke, seems, if anyone plays just as a female, will never realize, that Anders is bisexual...) I haven't Warden Alistair, but I like him (ofc, I like Hawke more), I have ser Mustache and Loghain for sacrifice... (sorry, Stroud!)
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 12, 2017 10:49:06 GMT
This is why I not really want to see him in the next DA. I afraid from the disappointment That's why I don't want to see him again. I don't trust the writers not to mess up his character, or kill him off or something (like the Fenris vs. Dorian that people seem to want. No thanks) Yep, this. Plus there's too much room for disappointment. And since I found most DA cameos disappointing, I don't need another one added to the list.
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