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Post by cmdrshep2183 on May 20, 2019 1:33:39 GMT
Space opera universes are my favorite fictional universes. How would you create a brand new exciting sci fi universe?
Would it be optimistic? Would you have FTL technology but make it look realistic?
Should there be flying cars?
Should there be gene editing technology?
Should there be aliens?
How about time travel?
Does there need to be an overwhelming galactic threat that requires that galaxy to unite as well as countless smaller wars and space battles for everything to be interesting?
How does humanity become an interstellar power? Does climate change force humanity to become an society like Iain M. Banks Culture?
It seems like my ideal sci fi universe is a mix of Mass Effect, The Culture, and the MCU.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on May 20, 2019 5:55:06 GMT
I'm not sure really. Torn between space opera and hard scifi...
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jun 8, 2019 21:11:12 GMT
It's hard. I've been doing it for awhile. I'm treating it as a work in progress. I write, not certain it will ever be a finalized work. But it is like a prototype in development. I change, write more and change again. Trying to get the pieces to fit. If it gets together, it forms the basis to write fiction on.
Now, Space Opera is basically just a setting and the source of the fantastic. It doesn't need any scientific speculation to play a leading role in the story.
But you have to create something that feels reasonable and consistent. I certainly don't think anything worked in 'The Last Jedi', for instance. That movie ruined the entire SW franchise retroactively, ruined the universe that Lucas had created. TLJ is an abomination that Disney should have burned and remade all over. But even so, not even Lucas SW-universe is really suitable for a novel. While the nonsense was consistent (until TLJ), it's too nonsensical for a novel, IMO. There's a similar level down to Comics, you can get away with even more. So basically what I'm saying is that you must be more "serious" in a book than in a movie. And more serious in a movie than in comics. That's for original work. It's not valid for adaptions, as the original has already established the rules of the universe and the audience has already accepted it.
Here's a few things. You must make a data-base with all facts as you write. And you need to edit it with all the changes. You don't need to explain technology in detail. You hardly need to explain anything.
These other things are my opinion. I think there has to be some kind of grounding in how we, the modern Western civilization, perceive the Universe and life. Also, consider the heritage. Where do these civilizations come from? Some cultural concepts have remained the same for thousands of years. They are persistent. Same goes for everyday technology. We still use and prefer simple means for simple purposes. Also, inventing new words for something that exists even today, doesn't make it Science Fiction.
Now, "hard SF", that's really not a decision. If you want to write hard SF, you know it already because then you have a speculative science idea, not an idea for a story. Personally, I'm not really into that, despite my thorough grounding in math, physics and technology. I want to write Space Opera, and my knowledge of things feels like it hampers me. How impossible things can I write?
Finally, "You don't have to be good at this" (Brandon Sanderson), "At first, do it badly" (Jordan B Peterson). Take heart from all the absolute rubbish that gets published and becomes popular, but do try to be better.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jun 8, 2019 21:33:40 GMT
Space opera universes are my favorite fictional universes. How would you create a brand new exciting sci fi universe? Would it be optimistic? Would you have FTL technology but make it look realistic? Should there be flying cars? Should there be gene editing technology? Should there be aliens? How about time travel? Does there need to be an overwhelming galactic threat that requires that galaxy to unite as well as countless smaller wars and space battles for everything to be interesting? How does humanity become an interstellar power? Does climate change force humanity to become an society like Iain M. Banks Culture? It seems like my ideal sci fi universe is a mix of Mass Effect, The Culture, and the MCU. As for your detailed questions, well I can't answer those. It's your universe. Your creation. An example: In Orson Scott Card's 'Ender' universe, there is no FTL travel, but there is instant communication. I do it the exact opposite way in my universe. There is FTL space ships, but no instant or FTL radio communication. FTL communication has to be done by "mail" and courier ships. The rest is just opinion: No, no flying cars. Overkill. Aircraft though. Of course there should be gene technology. We have it today. The question is - how successful and popular is it? Maybe it's banned in many factions? Aliens? Doesn't the story you intend to tell answer that question? Time travel? No, IMO. But again, what's the story? Galactic threat? You know, the galaxy is really big, really really big. 400 billion stars. Don't bite off too much. How humanity an interstellar power? Do they really remember that? Is humanity ONE interstellar power? How do you think UN is coming along? Mass Effect, The Culture and MCU are mutually exclusive.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 12, 2019 2:51:08 GMT
It's hard. I've been doing it for awhile. I'm treating it as a work in progress. I write, not certain it will ever be a finalized work. But it is like a prototype in development. I change, write more and change again. Trying to get the pieces to fit. If it gets together, it forms the basis to write fiction on. Now, Space Opera is basically just a setting and the source of the fantastic. It doesn't need any scientific speculation to play a leading role in the story. But you have to create something that feels reasonable and consistent. I certainly don't think anything worked in 'The Last Jedi', for instance. That movie ruined the entire SW franchise retroactively, ruined the universe that Lucas had created. TLJ is an abomination that Disney should have burned and remade all over. But even so, not even Lucas SW-universe is really suitable for a novel. While the nonsense was consistent (until TLJ), it's too nonsensical for a novel, IMO. There's a similar level down to Comics, you can get away with even more. So basically what I'm saying is that you must be more "serious" in a book than in a movie. And more serious in a movie than in comics. That's for original work. It's not valid for adaptions, as the original has already established the rules of the universe and the audience has already accepted it. Here's a few things. You must make a data-base with all facts as you write. And you need to edit it with all the changes. You don't need to explain technology in detail. You hardly need to explain anything. These other things are my opinion. I think there has to be some kind of grounding in how we, the modern Western civilization, perceive the Universe and life. Also, consider the heritage. Where do these civilizations come from? Some cultural concepts have remained the same for thousands of years. They are persistent. Same goes for everyday technology. We still use and prefer simple means for simple purposes. Also, inventing new words for something that exists even today, doesn't make it Science Fiction. Now, "hard SF", that's really not a decision. If you want to write hard SF, you know it already because then you have a speculative science idea, not an idea for a story. Personally, I'm not really into that, despite my thorough grounding in math, physics and technology. I want to write Space Opera, and my knowledge of things feels like it hampers me. How impossible things can I write? Finally, "You don't have to be good at this" (Brandon Sanderson), "At first, do it badly" (Jordan B Peterson). Take heart from all the absolute rubbish that gets published and becomes popular, but do try to be better. I agree completely and am in a similar situation with my own writing. I have main characters and their motivations down but as for how exactly they interact with each other and the scope of their story arcs have me stumped. It seems that past their origin I am lost. Whatever. I'll keep at it.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jun 15, 2019 21:49:12 GMT
It's hard. I've been doing it for awhile. I'm treating it as a work in progress. I write, not certain it will ever be a finalized work. But it is like a prototype in development. I change, write more and change again. Trying to get the pieces to fit. If it gets together, it forms the basis to write fiction on. Now, Space Opera is basically just a setting and the source of the fantastic. It doesn't need any scientific speculation to play a leading role in the story. But you have to create something that feels reasonable and consistent. I certainly don't think anything worked in 'The Last Jedi', for instance. That movie ruined the entire SW franchise retroactively, ruined the universe that Lucas had created. TLJ is an abomination that Disney should have burned and remade all over. But even so, not even Lucas SW-universe is really suitable for a novel. While the nonsense was consistent (until TLJ), it's too nonsensical for a novel, IMO. There's a similar level down to Comics, you can get away with even more. So basically what I'm saying is that you must be more "serious" in a book than in a movie. And more serious in a movie than in comics. That's for original work. It's not valid for adaptions, as the original has already established the rules of the universe and the audience has already accepted it. Here's a few things. You must make a data-base with all facts as you write. And you need to edit it with all the changes. You don't need to explain technology in detail. You hardly need to explain anything. These other things are my opinion. I think there has to be some kind of grounding in how we, the modern Western civilization, perceive the Universe and life. Also, consider the heritage. Where do these civilizations come from? Some cultural concepts have remained the same for thousands of years. They are persistent. Same goes for everyday technology. We still use and prefer simple means for simple purposes. Also, inventing new words for something that exists even today, doesn't make it Science Fiction. Now, "hard SF", that's really not a decision. If you want to write hard SF, you know it already because then you have a speculative science idea, not an idea for a story. Personally, I'm not really into that, despite my thorough grounding in math, physics and technology. I want to write Space Opera, and my knowledge of things feels like it hampers me. How impossible things can I write? Finally, "You don't have to be good at this" (Brandon Sanderson), "At first, do it badly" (Jordan B Peterson). Take heart from all the absolute rubbish that gets published and becomes popular, but do try to be better. I agree completely and am in a similar situation with my own writing. I have main characters and their motivations down but as for how exactly they interact with each other and the scope of their story arcs have me stumped. It seems that past their origin I am lost. Whatever. I'll keep at it. You know, considering what you say about being stumped, I would insist on repeating the advice I've already given. Through my own writing process I've looked at this. Different writers have different approaches. Some writers plan out the whole story first. They have their story, or enough idea of what they want to tell. So they figure: How do I break down this into scenes? What do I need to show? They figure out how to tell the story in a set of relevant scenes. They make lots of notes about the scenes, what they must contain, what ideas and impressions they need to transfer to the reader. In the end, they got everything ready, and then they just type out the scenes. That's all fabulous and people who are good at it, produce impressively well constructed and smartly told stories. Here's the secret: A lot of very famous and highly appreciated writers do not do it that way! That even includes crime novel authors, and even from the old days of the typewriter. Raymond Chandler, for instance, didn't do it that way. Neither do Rachel Kadish, who wrote the last novel I got really impressed by, 'The Weight of Ink'. Instead, they have a loose idea. Then they start writing. And as they do so, they tell themselves the story. The characters' personalities evolve during the writing, as you imagine them in your head, and as they interact with other characters. The story may also go off in directions not predicted. Just follow them. This is how my own writing got going. I write because it's fun, As fun as reading a novel, and having the power of shaping it. So I urge you to try to do the same. You're writing on a computer, which is perfect for this approach. You will need to go back again and again, and work over the text again and again, all through the entire project. And you must keep a parallel document listing all the characters and details as you go along, for your own reference. And you will change things. Because as you write, things will take better and more detailed form in you head, and you may wish to fresh up the earlier parts to keep them consistent with how the story develops. But start writing. Don't fret so much about it. Just put one foot ahead at a time and repeat. As you go, ideas will start to come to you. They may not be good, but just keep going. You can change it later, when you get a better grasp of your story. It's fun to write on the virgin ground, continuing the story. It's not so fun to go back and rewrite. That's a bit of a pain and also slowing you down. But it's easy. As you go back and read, you see what you must do with your earlier text. You don't get "stumped" there. It's just work. In the beginning I tried to get things as "good" as I could from the start. I still try, but I don't fret so much about it. Because there were two things that happened during the process: 1- I become a better writer. 2- I come to understand the story better. Both are reasons to go back and fix things, even sometimes deleting entire chapters, or inserting new ones. In general, the text tend to swell. Keeping this experience in mind, I tend to slow down to plodding in details, when I feel stumped, and rush forward when the story comes to me, just sketching, because I can go back later and render it better. Hope this helps. In short, just sit down and write. Don't obsess with having the story ready. It's not really possible. A novel is such a big and complex thing that it can't be completely constructed before you start to write. It will come to you as you work with it. I have deleted the beginning of all three novels I'm currently working on. Together well over 100 pages. But those beginnings got me started.
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Post by Sweet FA on Feb 26, 2020 6:59:10 GMT
I would want to get away from humanity, modern sci-fi is far too humancentric, too earth bound in it's motivations even when it's set in fictional planets and universes it still has that banal familiarity. I feel it lacks a sense of "the other", the truly alien, threatening, enigmatic and mysterious. Why does everything have to be viewed through a human lens?
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Post by cypherj on Feb 27, 2020 12:33:48 GMT
Space opera universes are my favorite fictional universes. How would you create a brand new exciting sci fi universe? Would it be optimistic? Would you have FTL technology but make it look realistic? Should there be flying cars? Should there be gene editing technology? Should there be aliens? How about time travel? Does there need to be an overwhelming galactic threat that requires that galaxy to unite as well as countless smaller wars and space battles for everything to be interesting? How does humanity become an interstellar power? Does climate change force humanity to become an society like Iain M. Banks Culture? It seems like my ideal sci fi universe is a mix of Mass Effect, The Culture, and the MCU.
I actually used to draw comics in HS, and I made a Sci-Fi one. I've been converting them to written works, but life happened. Maybe when my daughter goes off to college I'll finish.
Mine started as an optimistic universe. People weren't fleeing Earth due to over population, pollution, nuclear war, or anything like that. Earth was prospering, and the creation of FTL capabilities allowed them to explore the solar system and beyond more thoroughly. I used the Alcubierre Theory for FTL. It's actually a real life theory that complies with Newton's laws. It's basically a warp drive. This united the planet as one people, who launched joint efforts to explore.
They eventually discovered a stable worm hole that opened up another part of the galaxy to them, which they began to colonize. That was when the issues started. The new colonies grew larger and more self sufficient and wanted to break away from Earth.
As for the rest of the questions.
I already answered the FTL question.
Flying cars, No. Not in the way you're probably thinking. It's more hover cars, like the trains they use in Japan now. They don't fly, but they don't roll on roads either. People outside of the major cities, and on undeveloped planets still use regular vehicles.
Gene editing technology. Yes, as well as cloning, and implants that do different things to people.
Aliens, Yes. They were introduced into the story.
Time Travel, No.
When the story I told in the universe started everyone was at peace, with some planets falling under Earth's umbrella and some part of an alliance of independent planets that conducted business with Earth. Only angst was from a fringe group that still wanted no Earth presence on their side of the wormhole. There are clashes here and there, but no one is at war.
Events unfold that open up new technological advancements, but also brings in an alien presence, good and bad. Also uncovering revelations about the past that put the relationship between the human worlds in disarray.
Humans are an interstellar power, even after the aliens are introduced. How, is part of the revelations that occur during the story.
One piece of advice I would give is to create the universe independent of any story you have in your mind. Don't create it just to serve that one story. It's a blank slate, just have fun. Decide ahead of time whether you want to just do whatever you want to do, or have the universe grounded in real science. I did a lot of research on the Alcubierre Theory, worm holes, matter, exotic matter, the effects of different types of gravity on the human body, and lots of other topics. I tried to keep as much real science as possible.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Mar 21, 2020 3:15:23 GMT
I would want to get away from humanity, modern sci-fi is far too humancentric, too earth bound in it's motivations even when it's set in fictional planets and universes it still has that banal familiarity. I feel it lacks a sense of "the other", the truly alien, threatening, enigmatic and mysterious. Why does everything have to be viewed through a human lens?
Yeah I know what you mean, and even the ''alien'' is usually made way too familiar. I'm a big fan of the niche ''sci-fi supernatural horror'' a'la ''Event Horizon'', ''Solaris'' and to a lesser extent, ''Pandorum''. If I made a new sci-fi universe I'd try to ground it very hard on scientific reality, -so no space magic-, but sprinkle some tiny amounts of supernatural horror as a total contrast on it, just enough to be scary, not revealing much at all. Heck, there really isn't much that fits the bill, not even books!
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Post by Sweet FA on Dec 19, 2020 15:04:34 GMT
Put a different spin on it, try a different look and ambiance, change the art direction even down to small details, actually have art direction which seems to be currently missing. Do we really need contemporary clothing/hairstyles?, it's kind of jarring and not credible to have people in the future or an alternate reality looking like people walking about in any town or city in 2020. Enough with the space tracksuit/jumpsuit cliches. It's interesting when creators combine retro style/fashion with advanced tech, it can achieve an almost film noir like atmosphere.
I feel it creates an interesting dynamic or juxtaposition between the old and new, and that the creation of this hybrid world creates something new and different enough to take us out of our current reality. I think that is an important factor in the popularity of the steampunk genre. So maybe a combination of elements from retro, noir, steampunk and the super high tech futurism of sci-fi would create something altogether new and interesting enough to grab peoples attention.
Rachael: Sean Young in Bladerunner, stylistically she's straight out of a 1940's movie.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 4, 2021 12:42:59 GMT
I'm not sure really. Torn between space opera and hard scifi... I was literally thinking of a Space Opera/hard sci-fi hybrid!
...I mean, I'm not sure if you had the same idea since you say that you were "torn," but I've always had this idea of a hard sci-fi with the tone of a space opera, in a sense.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 17, 2021 17:08:41 GMT
I'd think about writing a plot that makes liberal use of the time dilation caused by traveling between colonized clusters at relativistic speeds. Governments projecting their needs hundreds of years into the future with supercomputers, and interplanetary 'truckers' whose jobs it is to ferry planetary resources back and forth to support the system, every arrival presenting them with a society centuries or millennia advanced or diverged from the one they left, the nine tenths of the population who can't afford rejuvenat treatments long dead all over again for every trip, being able to read about their own bloodlines flourishing or dying out again and again at every stop. Or maybe I'd go full Lovecraft. Humanity leaving our solar system only to find the galaxy populated by infinitely more powerful eldritch creatures who instantly conquer and begin to remake us in their own image after their own alien values. Compromising everything we think we are and forcing us to cling to anything that makes us even remotely human as we navigate the universe as it exists outside human awareness, or abandoning everything to embrace the sweet, merciful release of madness in our misery, despair and pointlessness...
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