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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2019 20:14:38 GMT
Perhaps redemption is at hand... www.ea.com/frostbite/news/frostbite-hair-rendering-and-simulation"One of the guiding principles of Frostbite is to be at the forefront of real-time technology. We try to constantly push the limits of what current hardware is capable of. As an example of this, we'll be sharing an in-depth view into one area of our research: hair rendering and simulation.
Our purpose is to produce a step change in real-time hair and reach results close to movie and offline rendering. Starting last year, a small group of frostbite physics and rendering engineers have been working on pushing this technology forward, and, while we still have quite a lot of work ahead of us, we're proud of what we achieved..."
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 21, 2019 20:24:54 GMT
Seriously, though - that looks amazing. Nary a plastic wig in sight.
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Post by vertigomez on May 21, 2019 20:35:29 GMT
I'm about to check this out, but can I just say: so many of their long hair issues could be solved with updos. Josephine, Morrigan, Anora, etc. all have long hair but they don't suffer a ton of clipping issues because they've got braids or buns or braided buns. Pls give us moar updos, biower. And I seem to remember someone saying it "looked like a Pantene commercial" during DAI's development, so I'm hesitant to get my hopes up..... 👀 But still! Any news is good news.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 21, 2019 20:38:44 GMT
And I seem to remember someone saying it "looked like a Pantene commercial" during DAI's development, so I'm hesitant to get my hopes up..... 👀 .... really?I mean - I loved the game and it was beautiful - even now it is, but the hair...oh the hair...
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Post by vertigomez on May 21, 2019 20:40:02 GMT
And I seem to remember someone saying it "looked like a Pantene commercial" during DAI's development, so I'm hesitant to get my hopes up..... 👀 .... really?I mean - I loved the game and it was beautiful - even now it is, but the hair...oh the hair... I know! I feel bad even calling them out. I'm sure they had high hopes, too.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 21, 2019 20:43:54 GMT
.... really?I mean - I loved the game and it was beautiful - even now it is, but the hair...oh the hair... I know! I feel bad even calling them out. I'm sure they had high hopes, too. I'll give them gold stars for most of the CC...and a participation award for the hair
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Post by boxofscreaming on May 21, 2019 21:44:12 GMT
I'll give them gold stars for most of the CC Bit green though, wasn't it?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 21, 2019 21:46:51 GMT
I'll give them gold stars for most of the CC Bit green though, wasn't it? ....gold stars with green borders?
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Post by Little Bengel on May 21, 2019 22:18:36 GMT
I'm not up on the general hardware performance things nowadays, but are we at a point where we can, in theory, have that beautifully rendered hair without the rest of the game taking a hit performance-wise?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 21, 2019 22:26:11 GMT
I'm not up on the general hardware performance things nowadays, but are we at a point where we can, in theory, have that beautifully rendered hair without the rest of the game taking a hit performance-wise? Like a lot of things, it's probably a "Yes and No"-type answer. I'd guess there are a number of tricks that developers can employ to make hair look beautiful while not adversely affecting the games performance (that don't also make the rest of the game look rubbish, of course). But in general, I'd say that making things look "more" beautiful, will always come with some kind of performance hit. The real question is - how many people will notice the hit?
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Post by colfoley on May 21, 2019 22:27:53 GMT
I'm not up on the general hardware performance things nowadays, but are we at a point where we can, in theory, have that beautifully rendered hair without the rest of the game taking a hit performance-wise? of course this also brings up that hair can look good in a specifically designed presentation video but still perform very differently when put into a 100 + hour long game.
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Post by xrayspex73 on May 21, 2019 23:53:50 GMT
I'll believe it when I actually see it in game. Even if the Frostbite team can prototype this, I have very little faith that Bioware would use the tech correctly. DICE has shown that they can do good hair in Frostbite with the recent Battlefields and Battlefronts. Bioware has NEVER been able to do it. I think that it's a talent problem at Bioware.
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Post by seven on May 22, 2019 6:46:31 GMT
Yes. I need this! I always struggle with the female hair choices so fingers crossed!
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Post by cribbian on May 22, 2019 11:43:16 GMT
In Biowares hands that hair will turn into this...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 18:34:47 GMT
I'm more interested in the style of the hair than how much it moves, so I'll wait and see, but like Vertigomez says, some great updos would work just fine.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 22, 2019 20:05:07 GMT
I don't care. I'm just gonna buy one of these and glue them to my screen where the head of the protag is.
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Post by bizantura on May 26, 2019 11:07:36 GMT
Since anything Bioware touches is declined from previous doings I adopt the wait and see approach.
I am sure Frostbite can do amazing visuals but whose task it is to make a toolset for Frostbite within EA is anybody's guess? Probably the shareholders but they seem not getting above raking in the money so they still have not had time to get around to it!
That is what you get when you pay your creative bigwigs with shares!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 0:25:48 GMT
So will all the floofiness that is in the video also apply to any animal fur? Because now I have this vision in my head of a werewolf with long floofy fur blowing in the wind... and I can't say I hate it. 😏
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Post by Sartoz on May 27, 2019 6:10:36 GMT
I don't care. I'm just gonna buy one of these and glue them to my screen where the head of the protag is.
Love it!
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Post by Sartoz on May 27, 2019 6:19:54 GMT
"We try to constantly push the limits of what current hardware is capable of."
That leaves what? 90% of the gamers out of the picture because their hardware is not state of the art? Good progress, though.
I think the studios will park it until the hardware that can generate, in real time, wonderful looking hair without the game taking on a performance hit, is ubiquitous. But, marketing may have different ideas.
Personally, I believe "this progress" is just a lab show case.
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Post by seven on May 27, 2019 7:20:26 GMT
Maybe everything will be moonlighting as back up shampoo commercial models? Imagine darkspawn with long glossy locks...
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2019 8:37:22 GMT
Maybe everything will be moonlighting as back up shampoo commercial models? Imagine darkspawn with long glossy locks... I'd rather imagine them with arrows in the eye.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 27, 2019 9:15:26 GMT
So will all the floofiness that is in the video also apply to any animal fur? Because now I have this vision in my head of a werewolf with long floofy fur blowing in the wind... and I can't say I hate it. 😏 Play Witcher 3 and you can have this today! (Or rather, you can have this since 2015.)
I didn't care for Hairworks on Geralt but, damn, that griffin looked so beautiful!
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Post by President of Boom on May 27, 2019 20:00:02 GMT
There's always a catch with the BioHair. I don't want to sound cynical but if we get realistic... um, I mean, relatively not entirely crappy looking hair our only options will be 37 balding styles and a collection of mullets of varying volumes and lengths. And don't even get me started on facial hair.
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Post by LogicGunn on May 29, 2019 1:45:29 GMT
Hair is obviously difficult for Devs. I'd like some epic hair but it's something I can live without if the effort is better spent elsewhere.
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