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Post by Kappa Neko on May 27, 2019 9:54:33 GMT
Yes but they are making BILLIONS with those! They don't NEED any other franchises to keep them afloat, sadly. Never underestimate investor's desire for more. Of course, but as an investor I would have zero faith in Bioware at this point. Two bad games in a row. Bioware's reputation in shambles. And besides, Bioware was never going to reap in great profits like sports games. RPGs rarely make huge profits. Skyrim was a special case. EA doesn't just want moderate return on their investment. They want HUUUUGE profit. No matter how bad it makes them look, people STILL buy their MTX infested garbage. And they're still doing relatively fine on that objective I think.
Bioware was aquired back in the day when EA pretended to still care about a diverse portfolio. Now everything flies under the GaaS banner. Adept or die.
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Post by mmoblitz on May 27, 2019 13:24:22 GMT
None of Andromeda's problems had anything to do with giving fans what they wanted or not. Rather it came down to execution. In two words: I disagree. Poor execution was a huge problem, to be sure, but it doesn't account for all the problems of the fan reception of MEA. Poor execution doesn't excuse the dumb idea of going to Andromeda, abandoning nearly all the work that went into the world-building of ME -- (literally abandoned, in the case of the lost Quarian ark), and subsequently cookie-cuttering similar factions and dramatic cliches that could have just been set in the MW. I mean, if you are going to wipe the slate clean, go all in. Do a completely new and different kind of story, instead of the same story in different costumes. Not to mention all of the fan investment in Shepard and their closest known associates. Bioware ROUTINELY underestimates just how much fans identified with Shepard, and how much their support for the franchise was connected to Shepard. MEA could have been a prequel. It could have been all about the First Contact war. It could have featured a young Shepard. Even with execution as poor as MEA, don't you think a game based on that vision would have gotten a lot more love, or at least, at lot less hate from ME fans? Poor execution also doesn't excuse the muddled vision of turning a cover-shooter game into an exploration game. Being an Explorer player type myself, I actually thought the execution of the exploration parts of the game were pretty decent. Flawed, to be sure -- I still hate Eos and Kadara with a passion, boring af -- but Havarl and Elaaden made up for those. I really enjoyed chasing the sandworms on Elaaden and dune-buggying. But that's mainly because I'm an Explorer type. Anyone who loves ME for the cover-shooter stuff and/or hates open world gaming is never going to love MEA for exploration, no matter how well done it is. I really hate to be arguing the other side of this, because for any other game or any other studio, I'd be agreeing with you. But ME is an exception, due to how it has been received by fans. Again, Bioware routinely underestimates the rabid attachment fans have to "traditional" ME, or at least, what they perceive to be that tradition. In a purely business sense, it's a mistake to deviate from that expectation. A multi-million dollar mistake. Call it a success disaster, but it's still true. ME isn't the only example of this. We've seen this with Bethesda and the Fallout franchise (where FO76 was a more obvious cash grab, making the deviation even worse), with Doom, with Halo, and with other big franchise games. Every time the devs try to do something new for the sake of doing something different, they get a black eye from fans. Why refuse to learn that lesson? Does this mean dev's are enslaved by their own success and can never do anything new? Of course not. But instead of trying to foist new ideas into a fan base that doesn't want things to change that much, invent a new IP instead. I know, that's what they tried to do with Anthem -- in that case, I'll agree 100% that's mainly an execution problem, not to mention a leadership and decision making problem. But let's point to a success instead. Rockstar had a lock with GTA, and continue to churn out more and better traditional GTA games. They did NOT try to shoehorn a western cowboy showdown vision into GTA. They made a new IP instead, and knocked it out of the ballpark. So that leaves us with a question: does the DA fanbase have the same rabid attachment to the DA franchise that ME does to its? Will deviating from the DA tradition too much result in the same disaster? Is "write the story you want to write, make the game you want to make," a blessing or a curse for DA fans? On the whole, I'd say DA is not quite as rabid as ME -- there is certainly no parallel to the personal attachment to the Shepard character, because there is no equivalent in DA (some people and their "bring back my Warden" hobby horse notwithstanding). But I also think giving total license to the devs to do whatever they want would be a huge business mistake. There is some margin for trying new stuff, but I think it's on the narrow side, rather than on the broad side. Well said! I don't think I would have been as critical of it had it been a new IP. Call it Andromeda and have absolutely no references to the Mass Effect universe in it. They would have a fresh start with a new IP and could write any story and characters they want without having to worry about comparisons to the previous titles. I'm sure they would have gotten some, but I think the backlash would have been far less on that front. For DA4, I really don't have any confidence they can pull off a game that is as good as the first two DA games. I didn't like DAI as I thought they put too much focus on world building and game mechanics and less on story, characters, and dialog. The things that matter most to me. I'm watching it closely and if it's focus is what I enjoy the most then I'll buy it, if not, I'm done with Bioware. Too many other devs doing what Bioware used to do.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 27, 2019 15:22:42 GMT
So that leaves us with a question: does the DA fanbase have the same rabid attachment to the DA franchise that ME does to its? Will deviating from the DA tradition too much result in the same disaster? Is "write the story you want to write, make the game you want to make," a blessing or a curse for DA fans? On the whole, I'd say DA is not quite as rabid as ME -- there is certainly no parallel to the personal attachment to the Shepard character, because there is no equivalent in DA (some people and their "bring back my Warden" hobby horse notwithstanding). But I also think giving total license to the devs to do whatever they want would be a huge business mistake. There is some margin for trying new stuff, but I think it's on the narrow side, rather than on the broad side. I guess to answer that question, you'd have to think about whether or not you liked what BioWare did with Trespasser. Given that Patrick Weekes was its story writer, and is now leading the narrative side of the franchise from here on out, that pretty much gives you a rough metric of where the games story will pan out. Except you forgot about the reset. The Mike Laidlaw/Patrick Weekes Joplin vision for DA4 got canned. That would have been the natural successor to Trespasser. Now, it's anyone's guess what Morrison will be like or how much of a clue we can get from Trespasser.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on May 27, 2019 15:24:52 GMT
Anyone who loves ME for the cover-shooter stuff and/or hates open world gaming is never going to love MEA for exploration, no matter how well done it is. MEA was marketed as an explorer game, so anyone buying it thinking it wasn't going to be one was just fooling themselves. "Just fooling themselves," is a pretty common characteristic of gaming fans in general, no? "Solas did nothing wrong ..." being a relevant example.
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Post by duckley on May 27, 2019 15:46:53 GMT
Bioware used to be inclusive in a good way. Now we have Asari pronouns..... I have no hope left. That said, DAI was a pretty good game if you ignore the clumsy preachy identity politics. Their last great game. Other than Dorian's story what identity politic did you notice?
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Post by biggydx on May 27, 2019 16:04:29 GMT
I guess to answer that question, you'd have to think about whether or not you liked what BioWare did with Trespasser. Given that Patrick Weekes was its story writer, and is now leading the narrative side of the franchise from here on out, that pretty much gives you a rough metric of where the games story will pan out. Except you forgot about the reset. The Mike Laidlaw/Patrick Weekes Joplin vision for DA4 got canned. That would have been the natural successor to Trespasser. Now, it's anyone's guess what Morrison will be like or how much of a clue we can get from Trespasser. I don't particular know what has come of the story, nor do I think anyone else. I'm not trying to shine a optimistic light on the uncertainty and skeptical tone that Schreiers article presented. It's just that the only people who know what the games story will turn out to be is BioWare. Patrick Weekes, as well as all the other writers, are still the same people who had worked on Trepasser and previous story elements; regardless of the reset. Personally, I think it would be stupid to scrap the entire story behind what was originally proposed in Joplin. Obviously execution is everything, but if the bones are there then why not use them?
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2019 17:11:39 GMT
MEA was marketed as an explorer game, so anyone buying it thinking it wasn't going to be one was just fooling themselves. "Just fooling themselves," is a pretty common characteristic of gaming fans in general, no? "Solas did nothing wrong ..." being a relevant example. if somebody is just fooling themselves wouldn't it be *their* fault. Its been a while but I do remember the people complaining about Shepard not being in MEA as staggering considering the advertising.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 27, 2019 17:58:30 GMT
Other than Dorian's story what identity politic did you notice? Krem. They had to retcon the Qunari stance on women a bit to make that fly. Like I said, it wasn't so bad in DAI. It certainly didn't ruin anything for me. And I liked Krem as a character. It just marked the beginning of a general trend in entertainment and especially gaming towards making every damn game a personal fantasy that I'm not too fond of. I want interesting stories, and characters who have interesting ideas and do interesting things. Identity politics are super boring to me. As a teenager I might have cared more.
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2019 18:02:30 GMT
Other than Dorian's story what identity politic did you notice? Krem. They had to retcon the Qunari stance on women a bit to make that fly. Like I said, it wasn't so bad in DAI. It certainly didn't ruin anything for me. And I liked Krem as a character. It just marked the beginning of a general trend in entertainment and especially gaming towards making every damn game a personal fantasy that I'm not too fond of. I want interesting stories, and characters who have interesting ideas and do interesting things. Identity politics are super boring to me. As a teenager I might have cared more. Honestly I don't think that much of a retcon was needed. Personally though now that I think on it I doubt the Qunari would care about personal feelings. Lol.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 27, 2019 18:51:49 GMT
Honestly I don't think that much of a retcon was needed. Personally though now that I think on it I doubt the Qunari would care about personal feelings. Lol. Sten said women can't be warriors. And going by their aptitude approach a man is always going to be stronger than a woman regardless of how Krem feels about his gender. Unless it's a weak sickly man I guess. I suppose it boils down to whether the Qun saw Krem as most apt at being a warrior. And then maybe that overrides being a biological woman? And if so, a warrior is always considered a man which in Krem's case is a perfect match. In other cases it could be quite a horrible thing to be forced into a male role. So the question is: Does biological sex overrule everything because of biological advantages and disadvantages or does aptitude decide what gender you now have? In either case, I doubt Krem's personal feelings matter to the Qun. And no matter how you look at it, it actually SUCKS! Bioware just happened to conveniently shoehorn transgender into the ONE example where the Qun suddenly seems "progressive" when actually I think it's anything but. And I'm not at all happy with how Bioware has softened the qunari in DAI by very selective examples. Krem. And Iron Bull who's anything by your typical qunari. I still think the Qun is awful.
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2019 19:05:40 GMT
Honestly I don't think that much of a retcon was needed. Personally though now that I think on it I doubt the Qunari would care about personal feelings. Lol. Sten said women can't be warriors. And going by their aptitude approach a man is always going to be stronger than a woman regardless of how Krem feels about his gender. Unless it's a weak sickly man I guess. I suppose it boils down to whether the Qun saw Krem as most apt at being a warrior. And then maybe that overrides being a biological woman? And if so, a warrior is always considered a man which in Krem's case is a perfect match. In other cases it could be quite a horrible thing to be forced into a male role. So the question is: Does biological sex overrule everything because of biological advantages and disadvantages or does aptitude decide what gender you now have? In either case, I doubt Krem's personal feelings matter to the Qun. And no matter how you look at it, it actually SUCKS! Bioware just happened to conveniently shoehorn transgender into the ONE example where the Qun suddenly seems "progressive" when actually I think it's anything but. And I'm not at all happy with how Bioware has softened the qunari in DAI by very selective examples. Krem. And Iron Bull who's anything by your typical qunari. I still think the Qun is awful. I think your onto something there with the Qun in general. In the Qun your role, or what role the state thinks you're best at, is what you are. Krem wouldn't get a choice in the matter. Also you have to consider that Iron Bull wasn't your typical Qunari... and was a spy to boot. It's likely part of his job to put a 'positive' spin on things to help grease the wheels of the invasion. Or to have the Bulls chargers be extensions of that invasion when it came to it. "What the Qun ain't bad... the Chief said so!"
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Post by smilesja on May 27, 2019 20:08:33 GMT
Other than Dorian's story what identity politic did you notice? Krem. They had to retcon the Qunari stance on women a bit to make that fly. Like I said, it wasn't so bad in DAI. It certainly didn't ruin anything for me. And I liked Krem as a character. It just marked the beginning of a general trend in entertainment and especially gaming towards making every damn game a personal fantasy that I'm not too fond of. I want interesting stories, and characters who have interesting ideas and do interesting things. Identity politics are super boring to me. As a teenager I might have cared more. And what’s wrong with catering to certain people. I mean some people actually appreciate having games being catered to them.
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Post by smilesja on May 27, 2019 20:13:34 GMT
None of Andromeda's problems had anything to do with giving fans what they wanted or not. Rather it came down to execution. In two words: I disagree. Poor execution was a huge problem, to be sure, but it doesn't account for all the problems of the fan reception of MEA. Poor execution doesn't excuse the dumb idea of going to Andromeda, abandoning nearly all the work that went into the world-building of ME -- (literally abandoned, in the case of the lost Quarian ark), and subsequently cookie-cuttering similar factions and dramatic cliches that could have just been set in the MW. I mean, if you are going to wipe the slate clean, go all in. Do a completely new and different kind of story, instead of the same story in different costumes. Not to mention all of the fan investment in Shepard and their closest known associates. Bioware ROUTINELY underestimates just how much fans identified with Shepard, and how much their support for the franchise was connected to Shepard. Shepard’s story was done, BioWare was insistent on that. there were ideas and mysteries in ME: A that were interesting and looked like they were to explore.
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Post by boxofscreaming on May 27, 2019 20:31:45 GMT
Other than Dorian's story what identity politic did you notice? Krem. They had to retcon the Qunari stance on women a bit to make that fly. Like I said, it wasn't so bad in DAI. It certainly didn't ruin anything for me. And I liked Krem as a character. It just marked the beginning of a general trend in entertainment and especially gaming towards making every damn game a personal fantasy that I'm not too fond of. I want interesting stories, and characters who have interesting ideas and do interesting things. Identity politics are super boring to me. As a teenager I might have cared more. I don't think that's really identity politics. Identity politics is a specific way of dealing with certain issues, not the issues themselves. Maybe the inclusion of those issues was motivated by the general climate, or maybe it wasn't, but I didn't really find it excessively preachy or heavy handed in Inquisition.
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2019 20:33:17 GMT
Krem. They had to retcon the Qunari stance on women a bit to make that fly. Like I said, it wasn't so bad in DAI. It certainly didn't ruin anything for me. And I liked Krem as a character. It just marked the beginning of a general trend in entertainment and especially gaming towards making every damn game a personal fantasy that I'm not too fond of. I want interesting stories, and characters who have interesting ideas and do interesting things. Identity politics are super boring to me. As a teenager I might have cared more. I don't think that's really identity politics. Identity politics is a specific way of dealing with certain issues, not the issues themselves. Maybe the inclusion of those issues was motivated by the general climate, or maybe it wasn't, but I didn't really find it excessively preachy or heavy handed in Inquisition. nor in Andromeda.
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Post by vertigomez on May 27, 2019 21:16:40 GMT
Other than Dorian's story what identity politic did you notice? Krem. They had to retcon the Qunari stance on women a bit to make that fly. Like I said, it wasn't so bad in DAI. It certainly didn't ruin anything for me. And I liked Krem as a character. It just marked the beginning of a general trend in entertainment and especially gaming towards making every damn game a personal fantasy that I'm not too fond of. I want interesting stories, and characters who have interesting ideas and do interesting things. Identity politics are super boring to me. As a teenager I might have cared more. I really don't think they retconned the Qunari stance on gender. Morrigan: Look around you, then. You see women throughout this land, fighters and mages both. Sten: That has yet to be proven. Morrigan: Which? That they fight? Or that they are female? Sten: Either. Morrigan: So I am not truly a woman to you? Hmm. 'Tis good to know. This pretty closely mirrors some of Bull's dialogue with Cassandra about her being a warrior: Cassandra: And... do you think of me as male, then? Iron Bull: Depends. In or out of your armor?
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 27, 2019 21:37:41 GMT
Krem. They had to retcon the Qunari stance on women a bit to make that fly. Like I said, it wasn't so bad in DAI. It certainly didn't ruin anything for me. And I liked Krem as a character. It just marked the beginning of a general trend in entertainment and especially gaming towards making every damn game a personal fantasy that I'm not too fond of. I want interesting stories, and characters who have interesting ideas and do interesting things. Identity politics are super boring to me. As a teenager I might have cared more. I really don't think they retconned the Qunari stance on gender. Morrigan: Look around you, then. You see women throughout this land, fighters and mages both. Sten: That has yet to be proven. Morrigan: Which? That they fight? Or that they are female? Sten: Either. Morrigan: So I am not truly a woman to you? Hmm. 'Tis good to know. This pretty closely mirrors some of Bull's dialogue with Cassandra about her being a warrior: Cassandra: And... do you think of me as male, then? Iron Bull: Depends. In or out of your armor? The fuck they didn't. Sten was clear on his views. They want to softball everything now. It's a different universe, not our own. Keep modern trends out of it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2019 21:41:25 GMT
I really don't think they retconned the Qunari stance on gender. Morrigan: Look around you, then. You see women throughout this land, fighters and mages both. Sten: That has yet to be proven. Morrigan: Which? That they fight? Or that they are female? Sten: Either. Morrigan: So I am not truly a woman to you? Hmm. 'Tis good to know. This pretty closely mirrors some of Bull's dialogue with Cassandra about her being a warrior: Cassandra: And... do you think of me as male, then? Iron Bull: Depends. In or out of your armor? The fuck they didn't. Sten was clear on his views. They want to softball everything now. It's a different universe, not our own. Keep modern trends out of it. In the words of the Qunari,
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 27, 2019 21:47:19 GMT
The fuck they didn't. Sten was clear on his views. They want to softball everything now. It's a different universe, not our own. Keep modern trends out of it. In the words of the Qunari, You mean in the words of the 'reformed' writers.
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2019 21:48:19 GMT
I really don't think they retconned the Qunari stance on gender. Morrigan: Look around you, then. You see women throughout this land, fighters and mages both. Sten: That has yet to be proven. Morrigan: Which? That they fight? Or that they are female? Sten: Either. Morrigan: So I am not truly a woman to you? Hmm. 'Tis good to know. This pretty closely mirrors some of Bull's dialogue with Cassandra about her being a warrior: Cassandra: And... do you think of me as male, then? Iron Bull: Depends. In or out of your armor? The fuck they didn't. Sten was clear on his views. They want to softball everything now. It's a different universe, not our own. Keep modern trends out of it. kind of a curious position to take given how many anachronisms are in (and always have been) a part of Thedas. Doubly so since Thedas has always treated sex and gender more modern then what was typical for medieval Europe.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2019 21:50:43 GMT
In the words of the Qunari, You mean in the words of the 'reformed' writers.
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 27, 2019 21:51:12 GMT
The fuck they didn't. Sten was clear on his views. They want to softball everything now. It's a different universe, not our own. Keep modern trends out of it. kind of a curious position to take given how many anachronisms are in (and always have been) a part of Thedas. Doubly so since Thedas has always treated sex and gender more modern then what was typical for medieval Europe. I don't recall them doing that with race (city elves). But if you want to JK. Rowling everything, I guess it can all be retconned.
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2019 21:55:08 GMT
kind of a curious position to take given how many anachronisms are in (and always have been) a part of Thedas. Doubly so since Thedas has always treated sex and gender more modern then what was typical for medieval Europe. I don't recall them doing that with race (city elves). But if you want to JK. Rowling everything, I guess it can all be retconned. JK Rowling did what?
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Post by Polka Dot on May 28, 2019 0:58:26 GMT
I really don't think they retconned the Qunari stance on gender. Morrigan: Look around you, then. You see women throughout this land, fighters and mages both. Sten: That has yet to be proven. Morrigan: Which? That they fight? Or that they are female? Sten: Either. Morrigan: So I am not truly a woman to you? Hmm. 'Tis good to know. This pretty closely mirrors some of Bull's dialogue with Cassandra about her being a warrior: Cassandra: And... do you think of me as male, then? Iron Bull: Depends. In or out of your armor? The fuck they didn't. Sten was clear on his views. They want to softball everything now. It's a different universe, not our own. Keep modern trends out of it. When did Sten ever tell you that the Qun uses anything other than vocation to determine gender?
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 28, 2019 1:38:48 GMT
Sten: Why are you here? Leliana: What do you mean? Sten: Women are priests, artisans, farmers or shopkeepers. None of them have any place in fighting. Leliana: I have no idea how to answer this... Sten: It is not done. There is no more to it. Leliana: Do you mean your people have no female mages or warriors? Sten: Of course not. Why would our women wish to be men? Leliana: What are you talking about? They don't wish to be men. Sten: They shouldn't. That can only lead to frustration. Leliana: Sten...no, never mind. Let's drop this.
Also, this.
From my perspective these conversations makes it feel like Bioware stretched the lore quite a bit to try and make the Qun more palatable and accepting, or bull has some heavily rose tinted glasses on. Doesn't matter, there's not much that can make the Qunari look good imo. I'll be ecstatic if I get the option to greatly cripple the qun in the next game.
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