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Post by cloud9 on Jun 8, 2019 9:04:12 GMT
I just hope that BioWare should stop being so incompetent and stupid all the time. And start making a good game so they can get back on track, by learning from their mistakes and start listening to criticism.
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Post by cankiie on Jun 8, 2019 18:45:29 GMT
Do remember that the last game Bioware released that did not have EA involved from the beginning was Dragon Age: Origins.
While Dragon Age: Inquisition was a fairly decent game... decent... I think you are right to be concerned.
Their stories are getting worse, and I personally believe it is because their story-writers have their minds on something entirely different than to write a decent story. Kinda like how the comics-industry is currently dying because the current comics-writers who hijacked the industry have their minds set on writing anything but great stories and characters.
I hope that changes or have changed... we'll see.
But yes, be concerned, be skeptical... but none of us should be hating blindly even if given sufficient reason to do so.
Just wait for reviews to come out... and by reviews I mean youtube videos about the game... from people who bought and played the game. Not reviews from those gaming media sites like kotaku or whatever all those gaming sites are called. Their reviews are absolutely worthless as they are in the pockets of all the big game-industry publishers. They HAVE TO "play ball" so to speak, they HAVE TO give games a great score and great review otherwise they'll lose the perks given to them... ugh, if only they had some more integrity.
Nah, youtube reviewers is where it is at.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 8, 2019 19:09:35 GMT
Do remember that the last game Bioware released that did not have EA involved from the beginning was Dragon Age: Origins. While Dragon Age: Inquisition was a fairly decent game... decent... I think you are right to be concerned. Their stories are getting worse, and I personally believe it is because their story-writers have their minds on something entirely different than to write a decent story. Kinda like how the comics-industry is currently dying because the current comics-writers who hijacked the industry have their minds set on writing anything but great stories and characters. I hope that changes or have changed... we'll see. But yes, be concerned, be skeptical... but none of us should be hating blindly even if given sufficient reason to do so. Just wait for reviews to come out... and by reviews I mean youtube videos about the game... from people who bought and played the game. Not reviews from those gaming media sites like kotaku or whatever all those gaming sites are called. Their reviews are absolutely worthless as they are in the pockets of all the big game-industry publishers. They HAVE TO "play ball" so to speak, they HAVE TO give games a great score and great review otherwise they'll lose the perks given to them... ugh, if only they had some more integrity. Nah, youtube reviewers is where it is at. out of all the bioware games I've played...I've liked Origins the least. In reagards to DA in particular each game has been better then the last, though it's going to be hard to top inquisition. In regards to reviews I wouldn't trust YouTube either. The perpetual outrage machine really has no business effecting my purchases. Instead I'd watch gameplay vids if you are on the fence.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 8, 2019 19:19:43 GMT
Youtube reviews are just as biased as "professional reviews".
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Post by colfoley on Jun 8, 2019 19:34:39 GMT
Youtube reviews are just as biased as "professional reviews". I'd say even more so in some ways.
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Post by Blaze on Jun 8, 2019 19:49:46 GMT
funny, people were concerned about dragon age 2, and after it was released many of those people went around saying "see, we don't you so". i had no idea what they think they told me as i loved dragon age 2 as much as i did origins. i'm still not sure why people use andromeda as an argument, as it's a really fun game, replayed it recently. as for anthem? well it's not an RPG nor single player, and here is the thing, it might still pick up in the future, i don't know, the only reason i haven't played it, is because co-op is not my cup of tea. looking at the history of bioware games, the likely of dragon age not being enjoyable for me is very low, logically and statistically speaking. bioware are not perfect, they make mistakes, but when it comes to delivering a great story and a fun game? they haven't failed me so far. and i honestly see nothing that suggests they will this time around.
so yeah, when dragon age 4 is is out, i already know people will tell me "i told you so", regardless if they'll be able to back it up or not.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 8, 2019 20:07:32 GMT
This topic again? Jesus...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 8, 2019 20:25:24 GMT
Meh, if DA4 flops it flops.
Isn't BioWare’s norm these days?
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Post by Blaze on Jun 8, 2019 23:03:01 GMT
This topic again? Jesus... i know right? never thought i'd miss seeing endless threads about romance. the beauty of perspective xD
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Post by cankiie on Jun 8, 2019 23:16:11 GMT
Youtube reviews are just as biased as "professional reviews". Yes. But then again. Most youtube reviewers are average Joes like you and I, people who just enjoy games and would praise a great game if presented with such. There certainly is a bias against companies like EA, certainly. But then turn around and look at most youtube reviewer's opinion of Apex Legends. The game was highly praised by youtubers, because it was actually a great game even while under the banner of EA. 'd say even more so in some ways. Hmm, let us see. Most "professional" gaming media stands to lose several perks, early previews, early access to games, insider news, etc etc, they lose these perks if they are deemed a 'risk' and those perks are as easily lost as just giving a simple bad review. You will NEVER get a fair review from these "professionals" due to above. Youtubers are biased, but more so than these so called professionals? Hardly. Youtubers are already branded as a risk, they stand to lose nothing from giving a bad review, and they stand to gain nothing from giving a positive review, and they tend to be extremely fair. Mind you, I am talking about the wide spectrum of youtubers. Some are more negative than others; see Jim Sterling, and some slightly less so; see every other youtuber. I don't think it is unfair for them to be so though, considering what we are seeing with all the big publishers. Activision-blizzard, EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft, etc etc.
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Post by githcheater on Jun 9, 2019 1:50:06 GMT
Youtube reviews are just as biased as "professional reviews". Yes. But then again. Most youtube reviewers are average Joes like you and I, people who just enjoy games and would praise a great game if presented with such. There certainly is a bias against companies like EA, certainly. But then turn around and look at most youtube reviewer's opinion of Apex Legends. The game was highly praised by youtubers, because it was actually a great game even while under the banner of EA. 'd say even more so in some ways. Hmm, let us see. Most "professional" gaming media stands to lose several perks, early previews, early access to games, insider news, etc etc, they lose these perks if they are deemed a 'risk' and those perks are as easily lost as just giving a simple bad review. You will NEVER get a fair review from these "professionals" due to above. Youtubers are biased, but more so than these so called professionals? Hardly. Youtubers are already branded as a risk, they stand to lose nothing from giving a bad review, and they stand to gain nothing from giving a positive review, and they tend to be extremely fair. Mind you, I am talking about the wide spectrum of youtubers. Some are more negative than others; see Jim Sterling, and some slightly less so; see every other youtuber. I don't think it is unfair for them to be so though, considering what we are seeing with all the big publishers. Activision-blizzard, EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft, etc etc. Youtubers do not get clicks for rating a game average. Youtubers need to stand out from other Youtubers, and will often bias their commentary to positive or negative hyperbole
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 9, 2019 8:08:09 GMT
When it comes to Bioware games I have tended to buy them through personal recommendation. However, I am not a committed gamer who buys every game that comes along and very much focus on RPGs. Both DAO and Mass Effect were the suggestion of a family member who knew I had been a big fan of Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, etc. In those days I hadn't discovered the forums and hadn't seen any trailers. Now, if I am willing to risk seeing spoilers, I might come here because there are posters whose opinion I know I could trust. On the whole, I don't pay much attention to either gaming sites or You Tube when it comes to deciding whether or not to buy a game. I couldn't buy Andromeda because the spec was too high for my PC, although I have to admit that turned out to be a blessing, but I think the Dragon Age Team have learned from what happened there and that is why they aren't rushing out DA4.
On the whole you are going to get an idea about what to expect when they finally start to release some trailers, although these can often be spoilers in themselves when it comes to the story. The reason that we have seen nothing may be partly because the game was re-booted and may still be subject to revision, so they want to avoid a situation like we had with DAI when certain things were promised (and even shown in a trial version at a games convention) that ultimately did not materialise. I recall one of the Devs mentioning they wanted a shorter lead in this time round, something like 6 months from the first proper trailer, so unless the game is coming out at the beginning of 2020 and I don't expect to see anything until next year.
My only real worry about the next DA game is that it will be a wholly on-line game even if it does have a single player element to it. Provided the delivery is the same as for the previous games in the series, I'll trust them to tell a good story until proven otherwise by actually experiencing it for myself.
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Post by river82 on Jun 9, 2019 8:20:44 GMT
I couldn't buy Andromeda because the spec was too high for my PC, although I have to admit that turned out to be a blessing, but I think the Dragon Age Team have learned from what happened there and that is why they aren't rushing out DA4. They didn't learn for Anthem, which was also rushed out the door. Just sayin'...
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Post by Blaze on Jun 9, 2019 8:38:34 GMT
I couldn't buy Andromeda because the spec was too high for my PC, although I have to admit that turned out to be a blessing, but I think the Dragon Age Team have learned from what happened there and that is why they aren't rushing out DA4. They didn't learn for Anthem, which was also rushed out the door. Just sayin'... it wasn't rush, they just didn't feel they could keep delaying it. fun fact: when anthem was delayed from november 2018 to february 2019, people complained. just sayin'...
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Post by river82 on Jun 9, 2019 9:26:15 GMT
They didn't learn for Anthem, which was also rushed out the door. Just sayin'... it wasn't rush, they just didn't feel they could keep delaying it. fun fact: when anthem was delayed from november 2018 to february 2019, people complained. just sayin'... It was rushed. Design goals kept changing and they ended up building the game in 18 months leading to mental health concerns with the developers involved. Bioware responded to this revelation with a promise that they'll do better to take care of their devs health in the future. You are doing no devs any favours by hand waiving this sort of industry wide behaviour away and pretending it doesn't exist. People didn't complain about the delay, they mocked EA for refusing to call it a delay repeatedly saying their product was ready. So in point of fact Anthem was "not a delay"...ed from 2018 to 2019.
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Post by cankiie on Jun 9, 2019 11:44:19 GMT
Youtubers do not get clicks for rating a game average. Youtubers need to stand out from other Youtubers, and will often bias their commentary to positive or negative hyperbole That is what I hear the dying media claim, yes. "GAMERS ARE ANGRY! GAMERS ARE HUNTING FOR CLICKS BY UTILISING ANGER AND NEGATIVITY! REEEEEEEEE!" I understand that game media hiring "professionals" are dying out, but geez, they could atleast go out with some dignity rather than start a whole campaign against youtubers, who just happen to be as passionate about a hobby as you and I. People do not watch a youtube give average reviews? They certainly do. The reason many people have turned to youtubers instead of the current dying game media, is because they know they'll get a far more fair review overall, they'll get an honest review, and that is what people who tune in for a FREAKING-REVIEW are looking for. But again. It is not like the youtubers have any real competition in terms of journalistic integrity and skill (Well, Schrier is actually a guy I admire despite some of his viewpoints, he do fairly good work) It is a shame that publishers and game developers look to websites such as 'metacritic' to get that sweet, sweet rating, instead of youtubers who are more often than not very passionate about games and the industry as a whole. I do dare say that youtubers tend to represent the broader audience and consumer-base.
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Post by Beerfish on Jun 9, 2019 12:13:32 GMT
DA4 is going to be a good game in my opinion.
For me it all hinges on how they deal with this big Solas set up. I do not like that he was essentially set up to be such a huge part of the next game via DAI and trespasser. I like to be a bit surprised as to the main villain I am facing.
I also do not want a recycled Saren whom you pursue the whole game and then 'redeem him' in 5 minutes at the end.
I would like it if it was more like DA2 and less like DAI.
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Post by Ieldra on Jun 9, 2019 18:16:42 GMT
I don't really have concerns about DA4 being exactly bad. I'm concerned about it not getting made at all on one hand and about it not being good enough for EA on the other. And of course, I'd prefer to have a few things I didn't have in DAI and vice versa, and about the story being engaging, but that's secondary.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 9, 2019 18:29:39 GMT
Youtubers do not get clicks for rating a game average. Youtubers need to stand out from other Youtubers, and will often bias their commentary to positive or negative hyperbole It is not like the youtubers have any real competition in terms of journalistic integrity and skill (Well, Schrier is actually a guy I admire despite some of his viewpoints, he do fairly good work) I think that's the problem there, there's no sense of integrity and they prone to doing the "GAMERS ARE ANGRY!" narrative despite the fact I believe people overestimate Youtubers impact. Do they make a difference though? Yeah they do, however Youtubers are prone to biases and double standards without the integrity and skill. However there are exceptions.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 9, 2019 18:30:00 GMT
It's not like they can do worse than DAI.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 9, 2019 18:34:40 GMT
My problem isn't so much YouTube journalists per se. I just contend there is little real difference, and thus both are equally trustworthy, as professional pundits.
Both have their biases (many of them the same) and both are peddlers of opinions. Just one is not as professional as the other which has its pros and cons itself.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 9, 2019 19:10:18 GMT
I'm I concerned? No. What I'm looking forward to is how the main character will deal with Solas, new characters in the game, and the new locations that will be explored.
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Post by biggydx on Jun 9, 2019 19:27:31 GMT
I think its fine (and wise) to be skeptical after two games that have released with a poor launch. You can have people who enjoyed Andromeda and/or Anthem, but still have the majority of the playerbase not like the title for legitimate reasons. So yes, I am concerned about DA4. Do I think it will be as bad as Anthem? No. Do I think BioWare could still make a number of poor design decisions with it? Absolutely.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 9, 2019 19:33:56 GMT
It's terribly naive to think that Youtube reviewers are less professional than old-school reviewers. Like just because they do it in their bedrooms wearing a geek t-shirt doesn't make them just as big a part of the system as everyone else. They're getting paid, it's just a more modern job than a 9-5. Whether it's payroll, sponsorship or clicks, it's a business, and journalistic business is all about getting as many people to read/watch/listen as you can. Of course there will be real opinion in there, but that's not all there is, don't get fooled by the casual window dressing.
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Post by river82 on Jun 9, 2019 22:43:41 GMT
It's terribly naive to think that Youtube reviewers are less professional than old-school reviewers. Like just because they do it in their bedrooms wearing a geek t-shirt doesn't make them just as big a part of the system as everyone else. They're getting paid, it's just a more modern job than a 9-5. Whether it's payroll, sponsorship or clicks, it's a business, and journalistic business is all about getting as many people to read/watch/listen as you can. Of course there will be real opinion in there, but that's not all there is, don't get fooled by the casual window dressing. I would be more inclined to believe the people who say video game journalists are more professional if I thought most video game journalists were actually journalists. But they aren't. Heh, I once asked a sports journalist about his qualifications and he told me "I don't need a degree to bullshit", which is pretty much the way of things now I guess.
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