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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 8, 2024 7:01:41 GMT
Namely the whole 'Elves are spirits' thing. I think it is the case that the original elves were spirits that crossed over into the material world when there was no barrier and then took on mortal forms. However, each successive generation spent outside the Fade would weaken their spiritual aspect, so they can no longer just shed their material form as the Forbidden Ones did when they returned to the Fade. We should also remember that Corypheus told his slave that the reason they needed to use elves for his blood magic ritual is because elves have a special connection with the Fade through their blood. This presumably accounts for why even modern elves, like Briala, were able to use the Crossroads without being adversely affected like the humans. (Obviously this wasn't included in the game and an elf Inquisitor just saw colour when everyone else saw black and white). However, when we go there with Morrigan, my elf mage was able to sense that the Crossroads were breaking down. I'm not sure if that was because they were an elf or a mage but it is possible it was because they were both. Finally, according to Solas and Dalish legends, all the elves once had some degree of magical ability and immortality, which they lost when he raised the Veil. By contrast, the humans seemed to become magically more gifted after the event. So, there definitely has to be some difference between them.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 9, 2024 11:24:58 GMT
Namely the whole 'Elves are spirits' thing. I think it is the case that the original elves were spirits that crossed over into the material world when there was no barrier and then took on mortal forms. However, each successive generation spent outside the Fade would weaken their spiritual aspect, so they can no longer just shed their material form as the Forbidden Ones did when they returned to the Fade. We should also remember that Corypheus told his slave that the reason they needed to use elves for his blood magic ritual is because elves have a special connection with the Fade through their blood. This presumably accounts for why even modern elves, like Briala, were able to use the Crossroads without being adversely affected like the humans. (Obviously this wasn't included in the game and an elf Inquisitor just saw colour when everyone else saw black and white). However, when we go there with Morrigan, my elf mage was able to sense that the Crossroads were breaking down. I'm not sure if that was because they were an elf or a mage but it is possible it was because they were both. Finally, according to Solas and Dalish legends, all the elves once had some degree of magical ability and immortality, which they lost when he raised the Veil. By contrast, the humans seemed to become magically more gifted after the event. So, there definitely has to be some difference between them. Do we know human mages became more gifted or only more knowlegable? Granted the idea does have a lot of interesting implications if that is the case...not sure what they are entirely...but my understanding is that they were simply taught magic, by the Old Gods.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Apr 13, 2024 2:08:54 GMT
So... how do we go from this: to this? TDWR teaser seems to tell a story of looming catastrophe. What we've recently seen in other media points to that catastrophe happening. The seal (or what looks like a seal) seems to have been destroyed, which has unleashed... a purple/pinkish hue that encompasses everything? What does that mean for the red lyrium idol, which was at the center of that seal?
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 14, 2024 13:43:24 GMT
I think the purple may have to do with the fact that this colour was associated with spirit magic and Fen'Harel is closely connected with spirits. His aim is also to remove the Veil and thus reunite the Fade with the Material world, giving free access to spirits again. The whited, disintegrating words could be connected as well as everything will likely be ripped apart if he were to succeed or at the very least no longer be bound by gravity, as happened at the end of DAI and can be seen in some concept art.
By contrast the earlier picture seems to be showing the fires of chaos that would be caused and would seem to suggest that Solas is holding back the Dreadwolf. This fits with my idea that he is still undergoing internal conflict between the two aspects of his nature, plus I think that Fen'Harel has become the dominant aspect in the Fade having almost succeeded in subsuming the Solas identity. This is why whatever happens in our interactions with him on the surface of Thedas, I think that ultimately we will have to confront the Dreadwolf in the Fade if we are to defeat him or free him from the bonds he is held under. I have this theory that he was bound under a geas at one time (being the follower of Dirthamen who dared to fly in the shape of the gods) which meant he is compelled to serve Mythal and bound to the form of a wolf (shades of the Lady of the Forest there). That is why he was always shown as a wolf in the iconography and statues, often alongside Mythal. He may have been partially freed of this by Mythal herself or by her death but now it has been restored. Something like that anyway.
Also as Rasaan seems to think, part of the trick in defeating him will be discovering his true name/identity.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Apr 15, 2024 14:15:42 GMT
Is it possible that the Grey Wardens had killed Dumat prior to the Silent Plains and it didn't work? As in, they discovered something towards the end that made them able to Dumat that they hadn't found yet in the ritual?
I only ask because the Wardens were about a 100 years in Blight 1, and yet we're told to believe that they weren't able to land the killing blow on him while non Grey Wardens before and after had done so.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 15, 2024 18:36:27 GMT
Is it possible that the Grey Wardens had killed Dumat prior to the Silent Plains and it didn't work? I think it is almost certain this happened at some point. May be it was even before the Wardens were formed. The army managed to bring down Dumat and for a moment he lay dead. Big cheers and then the "Oh F**K" moment when some pathetic genlock suddenly turns into an Arch-demon. If this happened before the creation of the Wardens, it could have been through seeking a way to kill Dumat permanently that they arrived at the Joining, likely with the advice of a helpful demon/spirit of the Fade. Otherwise, it was just lucky they decided on the Joining. However, there must have been some sort of corpse to work with because according to Last Flight, to do the Joining doesn't just require ordinary darkspawn blood but also a drop of Arch-demon. So, did they think to collect this just in case or, more likely, they were specifically charged with doing so and may have needed to bring down Dumat simply to obtain the blood they needed. Perhaps that is why the Blight lasted so long because presumably it is not that easy to persuade the Arch-demon to put itself in danger multiple times. With subsequent deaths, they would know to collect the blood from the corpse of the old god and let's face it, there would be quite a bit of it, although after the big gap between the 4th and 5th Blights they must have been running low on the stuff if they kept on doing Joinings regardless. That is why I feel doing the ritual when there isn't a Blight is not only wasteful of living recruits but also the supply of OG blood.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 15, 2024 20:46:24 GMT
I think the purple may have to do with the fact that this colour was associated with spirit magic and Fen'Harel is closely connected with spirits. His aim is also to remove the Veil and thus reunite the Fade with the Material world, giving free access to spirits again. The whited, disintegrating words could be connected as well as everything will likely be ripped apart if he were to succeed or at the very least no longer be bound by gravity, as happened at the end of DAI and can be seen in some concept art. By contrast the earlier picture seems to be showing the fires of chaos that would be caused and would seem to suggest that Solas is holding back the Dreadwolf. This fits with my idea that he is still undergoing internal conflict between the two aspects of his nature, plus I think that Fen'Harel has become the dominant aspect in the Fade having almost succeeded in subsuming the Solas identity. This is why whatever happens in our interactions with him on the surface of Thedas, I think that ultimately we will have to confront the Dreadwolf in the Fade if we are to defeat him or free him from the bonds he is held under. I have this theory that he was bound under a geas at one time (being the follower of Dirthamen who dared to fly in the shape of the gods) which meant he is compelled to serve Mythal and bound to the form of a wolf (shades of the Lady of the Forest there). That is why he was always shown as a wolf in the iconography and statues, often alongside Mythal. He may have been partially freed of this by Mythal herself or by her death but now it has been restored. Something like that anyway. Also as Rasaan seems to think, part of the trick in defeating him will be discovering his true name/identity. Reading your posts always gives me some interesting thoughts. It is kind of interesting what came first though the chicken or the egg scenario when thinking about this because we seem to have two relevant facts. A. that he can obviously shape shift like all the other gods and his form was likely a wolf hence 'Dread Wolf' as seen in some of the murals in Tresspasser in nothing else and the statues scattered around the world And B. we also saw him in human form wearing a wolf pelt as well. So for me this kind of begs the question, did he get the name 'Dread Wolf' because of his association with wolves or was that a name his enemies gave him first and then he bought into it and took on more wolf like qualities to double down and make his enemies even more afraid? Like may not get a definitive answer here but it is also fun to speculate and it is worth nothing that he did mention in Tresspasser that he took on the name as a source of defiance and it was given to him by his enemies. 'Solas was first Fen'Harel came after'.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 16, 2024 7:52:26 GMT
'Solas was first Fen'Harel came after'. That sort of fits my theory about him being the transgressor who "dared fly in the shape of the Divine". He was already capable of shapeshifting but the law was that the (dragon) form was only to be assumed by the Gods and their chosen (likely their high priests). Thus, at this point he was given the name Solas or Pride in elven and condemned by Elgar'nan to serve Mythal either permanently in the form of a wolf, or that was the only shape permitted to him. Another factor that may have been part of the wolf iconography could be connected with the Arcane Warriors. Solas says that they were bodyguards to the nobility and no one doubted their loyalty. That would fit with them being represented as wolves because they are known for being loyal to their pack and the alpha male and female. The later Dalish lore misunderstood the representations of wolves and thought that meant they had real wolves as companions, hence the Emerald Knights doing the same. Working to this theory, Solas could have been the leader of the Arcane Warriors and their base was down south in the area of the Exalted Plains. Hence the giant wolf statue overlooking there, which could hardly have dated from the time of the Dales and the other numerous statues throughout the area. It would also account for why he was then called the Dread Wolf because he had done the unthinkable as an Arcane Warrior and turned against the leadership of the People. Remember according to WoT2, the scholars think the Canticle of Shartan had elements of an earlier elven folktale of a trickster warrior who fought against tyrants. That was clearly hinting at Solas' rebellion and suggests he was an Arcane Warrior at that time. So, the depictions of him as a wolf at that point are more symbolic than the fact that he actually adopted the shape of a wolf. The Evanuris wanted to remind people of his disloyalty. Also, he probably wore the wolf headdress even when walking among his followers in order to conceal his true identity. However, as the Evanuris warned, he could adopt many different identities through changing his appearance so the People needed to stay on their guard. After all, he even did this in Tevinter Nights and apparently it was various small tells, such as the the inconsistencies in his alleged identity of Orlesian Bard, what he did to the Executor and that he never drank his tea, that alerted Charter to his identity. Yet she was familiar with Solas, so he clearly disguised his voice more than simply speaking with an accent and changed his appearance beyond simply the outlandish wig, even if he was masked, a dragon mask no less. In fact I note that PW describes him as a "slender man" at the beginning of the tale and "the man in the mask" not "the elf in the mask" at the end. So, it may be that he had altered his appearance sufficiently that even had he removed the mask she might not have recognised him had he not chosen to reveal himself. Something worth remembering when it comes to people we may encounter in the game.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Apr 26, 2024 2:39:50 GMT
Is it possible that someone else other then Dumat was the one who brought Blood Magic in to Tevinter? I mean, we know elves were aware of blood magic in Thedas before humans, could it have been Razikale through Mythal who taught it to the Avvar Augur?
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 26, 2024 7:20:15 GMT
Is it possible that someone else other then Dumat was the one who brought Blood Magic in to Tevinter? At one time there was said to be in world debate about the origins of blood magic. Without a doubt the elves did use it, as confirmed by Solas. It would seem that Dumat promoted its use among the Neromenians but even WoT suggests that it was being used before Thalsian became his high priest and I still maintain that it could have been elves that did not go into retreat and Uthenera (as the majority did) who taught it to the early human mages. I think it would also be interesting to know whether there were always human mages or if they only started appearing after interaction with friendly elves and inter-racial marriage. Considering Solas thinks there is nothing inherently wrong in using blood magic, may be it was his followers who first taught it to the humans. The aversion of modern Dalish to blood magic is likely because it is now associated with their human oppressors and the elven slaves were so often victims of their blood rituals, plus the association with demons. It is likely that all the Old Gods were promoting blood magic among their followers, which would make sense if they were linked in some way to the elven gods or their high priests. The main point about Dumat is that he appeared to be the first Old God that specifically prohibited the worship of the Maker. Up until then there did seem to be a plurality of worship, as is still found in the Avvar, with no prohibition against the worship of other gods but on the whole one god would be their particular patron. Then in defending against the aggressive Neromenians, the Planasene found the Maker was inadequate and a different Old God offered their assistance if they would reject the Maker. This they did and the Old God came through with helping them defeat the Neromenians. This Old God was specifically identified as female, so it could have been the first example of Razikale assisting the humans and subsequently the Planasene may have split in two, with one group travelling north to establish the kingdom of Tevinter, of whom she was the patron, and the other group travelling south to become the proto-Alamaari, where possibly she took on the identity of the Lady of the Skies. The Avvar came much later, after Tyrrdda Brightaxe led a group into the Frostbacks in rejection of the leadership in the lowlands, so any gods they worship now were probably the same ones that the Alamaari worshiped back then.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Apr 26, 2024 14:59:21 GMT
Is it possible that someone else other then Dumat was the one who brought Blood Magic in to Tevinter? At one time there was said to be in world debate about the origins of blood magic. Without a doubt the elves did use it, as confirmed by Solas. It would seem that Dumat promoted its use among the Neromenians but even WoT suggests that it was being used before Thalsian became his high priest and I still maintain that it could have been elves that did not go into retreat and Uthenera (as the majority did) who taught it to the early human mages. I think it would also be interesting to know whether there were always human mages or if they only started appearing after interaction with friendly elves and inter-racial marriage. Considering Solas thinks there is nothing inherently wrong in using blood magic, may be it was his followers who first taught it to the humans. The aversion of modern Dalish to blood magic is likely because it is now associated with their human oppressors and the elven slaves were so often victims of their blood rituals, plus the association with demons. It is likely that all the Old Gods were promoting blood magic among their followers, which would make sense if they were linked in some way to the elven gods or their high priests. The main point about Dumat is that he appeared to be the first Old God that specifically prohibited the worship of the Maker. Up until then there did seem to be a plurality of worship, as is still found in the Avvar, with no prohibition against the worship of other gods but on the whole one god would be their particular patron. Then in defending against the aggressive Neromenians, the Planasene found the Maker was inadequate and a different Old God offered their assistance if they would reject the Maker. This they did and the Old God came through with helping them defeat the Neromenians. This Old God was specifically identified as female, so it could have been the first example of Razikale assisting the humans and subsequently the Planasene may have split in two, with one group travelling north to establish the kingdom of Tevinter, of whom she was the patron, and the other group travelling south to become the proto-Alamaari, where possibly she took on the identity of the Lady of the Skies. The Avvar came much later, after Tyrrdda Brightaxe led a group into the Frostbacks in rejection of the leadership in the lowlands, so any gods they worship now were probably the same ones that the Alamaari worshiped back then. So the Lady of the Skies was essentially watered down version of Razikale and it's likely TBA worshipped her before the Avvar/Alamarri split?
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Apr 27, 2024 22:13:30 GMT
Thinking over my earlier post on the Aeonar/Ostagar connection in the Andraste, could the Tevinter Mages that were murdered at Aeonar during Andraste's death have been Wardens? As in, was it Warden Blood needed to seal away Andraste/OGB?
I ask because it makes no sense how the Magisters could've been at Aeonar if it was in Ferelden as we know. If the chantry was correct then Andraste has pushed Tevinter all the way back to Minathrous, and yet the magisters still seemed to have been occupying Aeonar at the time of her death. And yet despite the Templars keeping the location secret in the present day, the Avvars had overrun it in retaliation for the Prophets death.
How could Aeonar have been kept secret, if a horde of Avvars also knew it's exact location and seemed to be aware that a group of mages were deep in the Fade? We're told only a handful of Templars know, but how can that be reconciled if both Tevinter/Avvar knew the whereabouts of the fortress? Unless both sides lost this information overtime, but this seems incredibly unlikely for the Imperium. And why did the Avvars, who surely must've been at least aware the fortress was still holding Mages, not massacre them before Andrastes death?
It makes no sense, unless Aeonars location was public knowledge in the time of Andraste, someone/something must've suggested the exact location of the fortress to the Avvars. Was it the Avvar Augur of Mystery/First Warden who suggested it to them, and used the sacrifice of their own wardens in order to bind Andraste/Dumat away?
Was it the fact that they were Wardens meant they were allowed to move in Aeonar without much grumbling from the Avvars? Then, when Andrastes death became apparent, could the Avvars have also learned that it was the Wardens betrayed Andraste and not Maferath? Then the Chantry would come along, scrubbing the "Wardens betrayed Andraste" part away, and sticking the blame on the Avvars instead since a suitable Judas figure is needed?
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Apr 28, 2024 14:44:33 GMT
Thinking over my earlier post on the Aeonar/Ostagar connection in the Andraste, could the Tevinter Mages that were murdered at Aeonar during Andraste's death have been Wardens? As in, was it Warden Blood needed to seal away Andraste/OGB? I ask because it makes no sense how the Magisters could've been at Aeonar if it was in Ferelden as we know. If the chantry was correct then Andraste has pushed Tevinter all the way back to Minathrous, and yet the magisters still seemed to have been occupying Aeonar at the time of her death. And yet despite the Templars keeping the location secret in the present day, the Avvars had overrun it in retaliation for the Prophets death. How could Aeonar have been kept secret, if a horde of Avvars also knew it's exact location and seemed to be aware that a group of mages were deep in the Fade? We're told only a handful of Templars know, but how can that be reconciled if both Tevinter/Avvar knew the whereabouts of the fortress? Unless both sides lost this information overtime, but this seems incredibly unlikely for the Imperium. And why did the Avvars, who surely must've been at least aware the fortress was still holding Mages, not massacre them before Andrastes death? It makes no sense, unless Aeonars location was public knowledge in the time of Andraste, someone/something must've suggested the exact location of the fortress to the Avvars. Was it the Avvar Augur of Mystery/First Warden who suggested it to them, and used the sacrifice of their own wardens in order to bind Andraste/Dumat away? Was it the fact that they were Wardens meant they were allowed to move in Aeonar without much grumbling from the Avvars? Then, when Andrastes death became apparent, could the Avvars have also learned that it was the Wardens betrayed Andraste and not Maferath? Then the Chantry would come along, scrubbing the "Wardens betrayed Andraste" part away, and sticking the blame on the Avvars instead since a suitable Judas figure is needed? The TL;DR version of this, is that I only see two options to this problem, that raises even more questions A. Aeonar remained a secret from the Avvars, and the Magisters were able to operate in peace despite their occupation of Ferelden crumbling around them during the course of EM1. The Avvars would learn the location of Aeonar only upon Andraste's death and then overrun it. But then we have to ask: What third party gave them this information?
B. That both Tevinter and the Avvars knew where Aeonar was situated, and that again it was only overrun upon Andraste's death. But if the 'Vints were driven completely out of Ferelden, then we have to wonder why didn't the Avvars purge the Aeonar fortress before that? Why did they avoid the fortress because, logically, the Magisters were cut off from the rest of Tevinter after Ferelden was reoccupied by the Avvars? And surely they were aware that Aeonar was still in use, because they went there immediately in order to get revenge against the Magisters.This leaves me to think that the real answer is: C. That the reason the Avvars knew where Aeonar was is because they had built Aeonar and Ostagar, not Tevinter. That the reason Aeonar wasn't purged was because the fade mages were Wardens, not Tevinter Mages. Perhaps this game them immunity to move into Aeonar and when it became apparent that Andraste had betrayed by the Wardens (The First Warden?) that the Avvars decided to swiftly act with revenge.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 28, 2024 16:30:54 GMT
So the Lady of the Skies was essentially watered down version of Razikale and it's likely TBA worshipped her before the Avvar/Alamarri split? Assuming they are the same goddess, then yes. As I say, a lot depends on the origins of the humans. If as the Dalish lore suggests, there were no humans until the arrival of the Neromenians from across the sea, arriving in Par Vollen and Seheron initially and then crossing from there onto the mainland, then all the subsequent barbarian tribes came from them. However, if there was more than one origin for the humans, some perhaps arriving by sea on the western seaboard instead, then their gods could be unique to them. The Alamaari (and laterly the Avvar) certainly taught that they originally crossed from the western side of the Frostbacks in order to escape the "Shadow Goddess". Solas confirmed that there was such a spirit and she was responsible for their migration. The Avvar regard all their gods as just powerful spirits, so clearly the Shadow Goddess would have been he same. The story of the migration does allow for their origins to have been either the western unknown lands of Thedas or owing to them having broken away from the barbarian tribes to the north. The history of Aeonar is a bit weird and it could be it is simply not very well thought out. It is odd that there have been references to the places both in game in DAO and in WoT2, yet there was no involvement with it in DAI. You would think that such a place would be somewhere we would be encouraged to investigate or at the very least it would have been a War Table mission, yet aside from codices there has been nothing.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Apr 30, 2024 14:12:53 GMT
So the Lady of the Skies was essentially watered down version of Razikale and it's likely TBA worshipped her before the Avvar/Alamarri split? Assuming they are the same goddess, then yes. As I say, a lot depends on the origins of the humans. If as the Dalish lore suggests, there were no humans until the arrival of the Neromenians from across the sea, arriving in Par Vollen and Seheron initially and then crossing from there onto the mainland, then all the subsequent barbarian tribes came from them. However, if there was more than one origin for the humans, some perhaps arriving by sea on the western seaboard instead, then their gods could be unique to them. The Alamaari (and laterly the Avvar) certainly taught that they originally crossed from the western side of the Frostbacks in order to escape the "Shadow Goddess". Solas confirmed that there was such a spirit and she was responsible for their migration. The Avvar regard all their gods as just powerful spirits, so clearly the Shadow Goddess would have been he same. The story of the migration does allow for their origins to have been either the western unknown lands of Thedas or owing to them having broken away from the barbarian tribes to the north. The history of Aeonar is a bit weird and it could be it is simply not very well thought out. It is odd that there have been references to the places both in game in DAO and in WoT2, yet there was no involvement with it in DAI. You would think that such a place would be somewhere we would be encouraged to investigate or at the very least it would have been a War Table mission, yet aside from codices there has been nothing. Is there any reason to even believe that Aeonar/Ostagar/The Imperial Highway was built by Tevinter? I was thinking how it could've been made by the Avvars prior to Tevinter came along to the scene, but their being no connection to the Frostback Basin make this a sticking point.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 1, 2024 6:48:24 GMT
Is there any reason to even believe that Aeonar/Ostagar/The Imperial Highway was built by Tevinter? I was thinking how it could've been made by the Avvars prior to Tevinter came along to the scene, but their being no connection to the Frostback Basin make this a sticking point. The Avvar were an offshoot of the Alamaari, who mostly lived in the lowlands of what is now Ferelden, so anything found there likely could have originated with them. The important thing about the Avvar is that because of their relative isolation in the Frostback Basin and adjoining mountains, they retained their religion, whereas the Alamaari had it gradually erased by the Chantry. When Andraste first preached the Maker it is not absolutely clear that she did demand exclusivity of worship. WoT2 says that many of the southern barbarian tribes continued to worship their own gods alongside the Maker, even if he was regarded as pre-eminent. We have evidence of this with Ameridan, who was worshiping both Andraste (not the Maker note) and Ghilan'nain as individuals who had originally been mortals and then raised to godhood. That would seem heretical by modern Chantry standards. However, he does admit that his friend Drakon wants to "simplify" religion. As WoT2 explains, that actually meant eradicating all the alternative cults to the Maker than his own and butchering anyone who resisted. He was the grandson of a Tevinter Altus where they had long had a tradition of an authorised State religion, first that of the Old Gods and then that of the Maker. When Hessarian adopted that as his religion he used that as an excuse to purge his political enemies who still clung to their old beliefs. Sounds similar to what Drakon did in the south. So, if anything the Chantry set up in the south reflected what had already been established in the north. That is why I have always found it rather strange that the Imperial Chantry initially bowed to the demands of the southern one. I can only assume that at the time the Archon viewed the Orlesian Empire as a real threat and likely after seeing what they did to the elves of the Dales, decided it would be expedient to accede to their demands. Eventually, though, the Altus decided enough was enough and returned it to more as it had been under Hessarian. There have been a number of hints that some of the structures in Ferelden may have pre-dated the Tevinter occupation. It wouldn't be the first time that earlier structures were repurposed by the Vints and then claimed as their own. PW said that a lot of the original Neromenian cities were built over elven foundations. Down in the south the Temple of Sacred Ashes would appear to have originally been a shrine to Mythal (according to certain screen shots people have taken of the floor decorations). The association of Lake Calenhad with magical properties probably has its origins with a much earlier culture as does Kinloch Hold, which clearly must have been established by early barbarians in view of its name. The ruins in the Brecilian Forest were also peculiar as they seemed to indicate a community of elves and humans living together. At the time it was suggested the ruins were Tevinter in design but in view of the fact that the Neromenians did re-purpose old ruins, more likely their architecture was influenced by that earlier culture. Thus, anything found in the south may not have been built by Tevinter and the similarity with Tevinter architecture would be due to a common origin earlier in history.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on May 1, 2024 16:15:11 GMT
Is it possible that Magister Sidereal might have gone to Donark and lived there for some time? I alwasy found it quite odd how Donark remained so green compared to the Anderfels. I thought to what the Donark-Tevinter relationship might be like - could they be potential allies for Tevinter in a world were they are isolated?
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