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Post by Sifr on Jul 29, 2019 8:46:45 GMT
I think the mirrors may have been there from the start. It suggests that - whatever Kinloch hold was before - it must've been a busy place, with all those eluvians likely leading to many different locations. Kinloch Hold was originally an Avvar fortress (constructed by Dwarves) before it was captured by Tevinter. I suppose the Avvar could have had gotten hold of some Eluvians, but it seems more likely to me that they were either brought there by the Tevinters, or later on, the Circle for study/research as an unknown magical artefact.
I wonder if Finn felt like a complete dope after WH for not realising a bunch of Eluvians had been sitting under his nose the entire time?
We now know that a lot of Tevinter is basically refurbished Elvenhan - in a metaphorical, but also literal sense. Patrick Weekes even mentions in one interview that Vints arrived on Thedas, saw a lot of empty elvhen cities, spray-painted it and knocked ears off statues and simply moved in. That might explain the two "human" statues adorning the Eluvian frame in the Brecilian Forest ruin, as they could have originally been statues of Dirthamen and Falon'Din that were altered by the Tevinters when they moved in.
Tamlen suggests the statue opposite the Eluvian chamber possibly depicted Falon'Din, so perhaps the site was originally a centre for his worship?
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Post by Dukemon on Jul 29, 2019 9:36:32 GMT
This shit with humans cannot see the Eluvians was bullshit from story writing. It is this "the poor, poor elves" and "the bad, bad humen"
I find it a pity since Tevinter didn't kill all the elves. Had saved us a lot of trouble. Because of this terrible new Highelves-plot in DAI.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2019 9:40:20 GMT
This shit with humans cannot see the Eluvians was bullshit from story writing. It is this "the poor, poor elves" and "the bad, bad humen" I find it a pity since Tevinter didn't kill all the elves. Had saved us a lot of trouble. Because of this terrible new Highelves-plot in DAI. who said the humans cannot see eluvians?
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Post by Dukemon on Jul 29, 2019 9:42:30 GMT
This shit with humans cannot see the Eluvians was bullshit from story writing. It is this "the poor, poor elves" and "the bad, bad humen" I find it a pity since Tevinter didn't kill all the elves. Had saved us a lot of trouble. Because of this terrible new Highelves-plot in DAI. who said the humans cannot see eluvians? Finn.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 29, 2019 9:55:18 GMT
who said the humans cannot see eluvians? Finn. I've recently played Witch Hunt, but I don't seem to recall Finn actually saying the humans cannot see the eluvians they can't use them because they don't know what they are capable of (seeing as most need passwords or whatever) but anyone can see them standing there plain as day
the thing humans can't see as Finn says are the Lights of Arlathan, this is because they're under an enchantment that is only revealed to someone of Dalish descent (like Ariane or the Dalish Warden if only they hadn't been tainted)
plus, if humans couldn't see eluvians, then Morrigan couldn't have found and used one either
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Post by Dukemon on Jul 29, 2019 11:10:23 GMT
Finn is saying it, when the Warden stated that he did not saw an eluvian in Mothers lair.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 29, 2019 12:27:36 GMT
Finn is saying it, when the Warden stated that he did not saw an eluvian in Mothers lair. ah right...that part
thing is, even during cut scenes where you see the Mother in Awakening you don't see the eluvian, so maybe like the Lights of Arlathan this particular eluvian was hidden under some type of enchantment that got broken when Morrigan found it.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 29, 2019 14:31:33 GMT
Finn is saying it, when the Warden stated that he did not saw an eluvian in Mothers lair. The fact that ONE eluvian wasn't noticed doesn't mean that all are invisible - in fact we know it's 100% not true, because human/dwarf/qunari Inquisitors can see and use all eluvians in DAI or Trespasser, or in fact other eluvians/suspected eluvians in other places. Not seeing ONE means that there may have been a specific enchantment on it.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jul 29, 2019 21:25:10 GMT
I wonder how far down the sky in the Wellspring goes. Does it go forever? Is Thedas flat like discworld? Or is it just a big hollow part of titan, like if you go down far enough you'll find the other side of the stomach lining or whatever? I think the latter. I think we were in the Titan as soon as we left Heidrun and that first little level...those really dark caves...was likely its 'mouth'...or hell maybe a nostril.
Ok that remembers me of hacking off the Sarlacc's ..intestinal villi? back in The Force Unleashed.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2019 21:36:23 GMT
I think the latter. I think we were in the Titan as soon as we left Heidrun and that first little level...those really dark caves...was likely its 'mouth'...or hell maybe a nostril.
Ok that remembers me of hacking off the Sarlacc's ..intestinal villi? back in The Force Unleashed. ugh. Thank you for reminding me of that abomination of a game.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jul 29, 2019 23:05:52 GMT
What is it? The overblown knock-back effects tied to nearly every single enemy attack? That Starkiller cannot accurately "fall" from one ledge to another? The lack of autosave points on jumping puzzles? The side-scroller sequences with awkward controls? The force-pulling of a frickin' I.S.D.? Or the Heroic Sacrifice ending that made me hate those even before I ever played a Bioware game? Those are just the issues that I can think of now. Honestly, I only played the full game once, and I'll probably never try Raxus Prime again. If one wants a good SW game with light saber fights, I guess there is nothing that beats Jedi Outcast, or Academy.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2019 23:48:11 GMT
What is it? The overblown knock-back effects tied to nearly every single enemy attack? That Starkiller cannot accurately "fall" from one ledge to another? The lack of autosave points on jumping puzzles? The side-scroller sequences with awkward controls? The force-pulling of a frickin' I.S.D.? Or the Heroic Sacrifice ending that made me hate those even before I ever played a Bioware game? Those are just the issues that I can think of now. Honestly, I only played the full game once, and I'll probably never try Raxus Prime again. If one wants a good SW game with light saber fights, I guess there is nothing that beats Jedi Outcast, or Academy. the hamfisted story, the biggest 'Gary stu' in star wars, forcing Maul on us...again. the idea that this punk kid could take on Vader and the Emperor... and the cornucopia of QTEs. I did like Juno and Rahm though.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 31, 2019 21:46:10 GMT
Finn is saying it, when the Warden stated that he did not saw an eluvian in Mothers lair. Finn actually said;
"It might be hidden... or only appear to those who know it's location."
So there was no indication race had anything to do with the Warden being unable to see the Eluvian on their previous visit to that location, nor that every Eluvian had enchantments placed on them to conceal them from "unworthy eyes", only a few did (including possibly this one).
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 31, 2019 22:21:23 GMT
Finn is saying it, when the Warden stated that he did not saw an eluvian in Mothers lair. Finn actually said;
"It might be hidden... or only appear to those who know it's location."
So there was no indication race had anything to do with the Warden being unable to see the Eluvian on their previous visit to that location, nor that every Eluvian had enchantments placed on them to conceal them from "unworthy eyes", only a few did (including possibly this one).
I do have to wonder whether there's an eluvian hidden with a spell somewhere near Temple Of Sacred Ashes that Solas has used after Cory's defeat. We know (not just thanks to the mentioned hidden eluvian) that spells or auras that make people not notice/not see/forget things can even affect things as big as Skyhold, or maybe even Titans, so that can't be ruled out - especially that it seems unlikely he's returned to Skyhold and used Morrigan's eluvian (he was last seen heading west - Skyhold is north from Haven).
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Post by xerrai on Jul 31, 2019 23:03:59 GMT
Finn actually said;
"It might be hidden... or only appear to those who know it's location."
So there was no indication race had anything to do with the Warden being unable to see the Eluvian on their previous visit to that location, nor that every Eluvian had enchantments placed on them to conceal them from "unworthy eyes", only a few did (including possibly this one).
I do have to wonder whether there's an eluvian hidden with a spell somewhere near Temple Of Sacred Ashes that Solas has used after Cory's defeat. We know (not just thanks to the mentioned hidden eluvian) that spells or auras that make people not notice/not see/forget things can even affect things as big as Skyhold, or maybe even Titans, so that can't be ruled out - especially that it seems unlikely he's returned to Skyhold and used Morrigan's eluvian (he was last seen heading west - Skyhold is north from Haven). Possibly. it would explain why Solas "simply vanished" despite Leliana's spies searching for him, and it would make sense since it was all but confirmed that the Temple of Sacred Ashes was built atop an elvhen temple (which in turn partly explain how these supposed disciples of Andraste were able to built a temple that large in the first place). Or who knows, perhaps he pulled a Flemeth and just disappeared into thin air.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 31, 2019 23:05:47 GMT
I do have to wonder whether there's an eluvian hidden with a spell somewhere near Temple Of Sacred Ashes that Solas has used after Cory's defeat. We know (not just thanks to the mentioned hidden eluvian) that spells or auras that make people not notice/not see/forget things can even affect things as big as Skyhold, or maybe even Titans, so that can't be ruled out - especially that it seems unlikely he's returned to Skyhold and used Morrigan's eluvian (he was last seen heading west - Skyhold is north from Haven). Possibly. it would explain why Solas "simply vanished" despite Leliana's spies searching for him, and it would make sense since it was all but confirmed that the Temple of Sacred Ashes was built atop an elvhen temple (which in turn partly explain how these supposed disciples of Andraste were able to built a temple that large in the first place). Or who knows, perhaps he pulled a Flemeth and just disappeared into thin air. On that note we also can't entirely rule out the possibility that he shape shifted into a wolf...or something.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 31, 2019 23:51:46 GMT
Possibly. it would explain why Solas "simply vanished" despite Leliana's spies searching for him, and it would make sense since it was all but confirmed that the Temple of Sacred Ashes was built atop an elvhen temple (which in turn partly explain how these supposed disciples of Andraste were able to built a temple that large in the first place). Or who knows, perhaps he pulled a Flemeth and just disappeared into thin air. On that note we also can't entirely rule out the possibility that he shape shifted into a wolf...or something. According to Weekes it's not certain whether he's able to shapeshift pre-power up, so it;s a possibility. He may have also have used some sort of invisibility/forgetfulness spell on people that saw him, like in case of Cole.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 1, 2019 9:39:57 GMT
Bioware crafts a quality game...wait, this is the crazy theory thread not wishful thinking...
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Post by xerrai on Aug 1, 2019 12:51:17 GMT
Speaking of disappearing without a trace...what about Corypheus? We never did find out where he made his main base was. You would think it would be easy to find out where since its presumably the same place where he hides his red lyrium dragon.
I'm inclined on believing the deeproads or perhaps northern Orlais (since the Shrine of Dumat is near there). But I am not too confident on any of these. But seriously, the guy has an army that was all but able to sneak up on Haven and despite the Inquisition gathering enough resources to challenge nations we never found his main command center.
So...theories?
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 1, 2019 16:46:53 GMT
Speaking of disappearing without a trace...what about Corypheus? We never did find out where he made his main base was. You would think it would be easy to find out where since its presumably the same place where he hides his red lyrium dragon. I'm inclined on believing the deeproads or perhaps northern Orlais (since the Shrine of Dumat is near there). But I am not too confident on any of these. But seriously, the guy has an army that was all but able to sneak up on Haven and despite the Inquisition gathering enough resources to challenge nations we never found his main command center. So...theories? Wasn't the temple of Dumat his base? We even find his personal 'journals' there.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 1, 2019 16:51:30 GMT
I'll go back to this for a sec... I think the mirrors may have been there from the start. It suggests that - whatever Kinloch hold was before - it must've been a busy place, with all those eluvians likely leading to many different locations. Kinloch Hold was originally an Avvar fortress (constructed by Dwarves) before it was captured by Tevinter. I suppose the Avvar could have had gotten hold of some Eluvians, but it seems more likely to me that they were either brought there by the Tevinters, or later on, the Circle for study/research as an unknown magical artefact. "Captured by Tevinter" you say? Like many Tevinter cities that are actually elven or many 'Tevinter' ruins that turn out to be older? I am 99.9% convinced no Avvar or dwarf built it. This is a distinctly elvhen type of architecture. The eluvians too were likely already there when the building was... discovered.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 1, 2019 17:16:22 GMT
Wasn't the temple of Dumat his base? We even find his personal 'journals' there. It may have been his personal hideout but not where his main army were located and there didn't seem anywhere for a dragon. Also it was located north of the Waking Sea and most of the action was in the south. Besides, after we invaded the Shrine of Dumat where did he go then? I have a feeling he must have moved his army around by the Deep Roads because otherwise we should have seen it on the move (or had reports coming in) both before the assault on Haven and later when he marched on the Arbor Wilds.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 1, 2019 18:22:12 GMT
Wasn't the temple of Dumat his base? We even find his personal 'journals' there. It may have been his personal hideout but not where his main army were located and there didn't seem anywhere for a dragon. Also it was located north of the Waking Sea and most of the action was in the south. Besides, after we invaded the Shrine of Dumat where did he go then? I have a feeling he must have moved his army around by the Deep Roads because otherwise we should have seen it on the move (or had reports coming in) both before the assault on Haven and later when he marched on the Arbor Wilds. He likely has a mobile and dispersed army. Red Tempars especially don't need special accommodations. And we know where they were growing and keeping a lot of them - Emprise du Lion. Clearly that was, at the very least, one of the bigger hideouts. Other than that I don't think there was a hideout for his 'main army'. They were invaders/conquerors after all.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 2, 2019 18:12:36 GMT
"Captured by Tevinter" you say? Like many Tevinter cities that are actually elven or many 'Tevinter' ruins that turn out to be older? I am 99.9% convinced no Avvar or dwarf built it. This is a distinctly elvhen type of architecture. The eluvians too were likely already there when the building was... discovered. According to the codex, the Avvar built Kinloch and the Fort of a Thousand Vigils (Vigil's Keep) with the aid of the Dwarves.
We know that the Avvar have had a long-standing relationship with the Dwarves (the legend of Luthias Dwarfson), so Dwarves building Avvar fortresses isn't that far-fetched, especially since the Circle Tower visually resembles the Tower of Ishal in Ostagar, likewise said to be of Dwarven construction.
The Avvar's presence on the site is backed up by "Kinloch Hold" following their typical settlement naming conventions and we're told that the fortress eventually fell to Tevinter forces during their conquest of Ferelden, despite the Avvar fighting tooth-and-nail to defend it.
So the evidence seems to point to Kinloch being Avvar in origin.
That being said, we can't discount the possibility the Ancient Elves were present on the site long before the Avvar arrived there. Nor can we rule out that the construction of the Circle Tower and Tower of Ishal may have been (deliberately) misattributed to the Dwarves, or the confusion arose because the Dwarves might have built them on top of existing Elven structures?
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 2, 2019 21:13:43 GMT
"Captured by Tevinter" you say? Like many Tevinter cities that are actually elven or many 'Tevinter' ruins that turn out to be older? I am 99.9% convinced no Avvar or dwarf built it. This is a distinctly elvhen type of architecture. The eluvians too were likely already there when the building was... discovered. According to the codex, the Avvar built Kinloch and the Fort of a Thousand Vigils (Vigil's Keep) with the aid of the Dwarves.
We know that the Avvar have had a long-standing relationship with the Dwarves (the legend of Luthias Dwarfson), so Dwarves building Avvar fortresses isn't that far-fetched, especially since the Circle Tower visually resembles the Tower of Ishal in Ostagar, likewise said to be of Dwarven construction.
The Avvar's presence on the site is backed up by "Kinloch Hold" following their typical settlement naming conventions and we're told that the fortress eventually fell to Tevinter forces during their conquest of Ferelden, despite the Avvar fighting tooth-and-nail to defend it.
So the evidence seems to point to Kinloch being Avvar in origin.
That being said, we can't discount the possibility the Ancient Elves were present on the site long before the Avvar arrived there. Nor can we rule out that the construction of the Circle Tower and Tower of Ishal may have been (deliberately) misattributed to the Dwarves, or the confusion arose because the Dwarves might have built them on top of existing Elven structures?
I don't think much was built on top of it, besides maybe some minor embellishments that ultimately did little to change the keep's shape. Simply look at it. This isn't a building that resembles anything we saw the Avvar or dwarves build: the lofty form, the pinnacles, the arches, the ribbed vaulting, even the chosen color scheme - this is a building that is quintessentially elvhen. I think Bioware has improved in terms of visuals and created more distinct styles for each race or group in DAI, but they weren't slouches at it before and built a visual/design library for DAO that they still largely adhere to and actively use in their storytelling. So, IMO, the architecture of the tower - paired with presence of so many eluvians - screams way more clearly than any misguided assumptions of Thedosian historians. And we already know codices are written from imperfect and oftentimes biased perspective of in-world people. These are not objective meta-documents on the world lore. Many of these codices or WOT entries claimed things that turned out not to be accurate or a mere conjecture. Brecilian ruins, for example, are presumed to be Tevene (Duncan also claims that eluvians are Tevene in origin), but both from architecture and all the things we find when we traverse through ruins it's quite apparent that most of it is much older. Same with the Temple Of Sacred Ashes. I'm also surprised with the suggestion that the name itself is supposed to suggest that the place is Avvar, rather than - like many cities in Tevinter, per Word Of God - the Avvar had simply found the keep, claimed it, 'spray-painted' and renamed. And let's not ignore the fact that most ancient structures, besides mythical Arlathan, are thought by the current dominant culture to be human in origin. So of course they'd claim that it was an Avvar/dwarven structure if they can't or won't believe that the elves could've built that.
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