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Post by dazk on Dec 15, 2021 23:21:29 GMT
Patience isn't my strong suit either. Would post a gif but imgur is broken.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 23:22:49 GMT
Just put on the first season last night while I drowsed off. Got a couple eps in. Probably go back to it after I watch Hawkeye but we'll see. Had a fun game of Master of Orion: CotS yesterday I might go back to as well. (And the ME3MP itch always gets me.) Was vaguely hoping to finish it before the new season starts.
Witcher is one I'm really looking forward to. I loved the first season despite some pacing hiccups and questionable costume design. There aren't many other shows I'm looking forward to as much as this one. Book of Boba Fett, although I'm not a diehard Fett fan like some I know, I loved the Mandalorian so, high hopes. I also like Ming Nah who apparently doesn't fricken age lol. Still remember her in Push with Chris Evans.
And Genndy Tartakovskys Primal, which for me is phenomenal, albeit not a 'broad appeal' show by any stretch. I'm also hoping the next season of LD+R steps things up, but given it's really just season 2.5 and season 2 was a bit lacklustre, it's been slightly downgraded. (Still has the chance for greatness though.)
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Post by BearKingReborn on Dec 16, 2021 19:51:14 GMT
New poll up in advance of the release of season 2, since all 8 episodes will be available at once, I imagine some will burn through it fairly quickly
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Post by BearKingReborn on Dec 16, 2021 19:53:38 GMT
Book of Boba Fett, although I'm not a diehard Fett fan like some I know, I loved the Mandalorian so, high hopes. I also like Ming Nah who apparently doesn't fricken age lol. I'm legally obliged to watch and like Book of Boba Fett because of Temuera Morrison...I think it's in the New Zealand Constitution or something...? I too love the Mandalorian but honestly, my hopes aren't super high for BoBF. Tem...is not a great actor in my view. I'll watch...but I'm just not that confident. Hopefully Nah can carry the show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 0:06:10 GMT
I imagine some will burn through it fairly quickly but honestly, my hopes aren't super high for BoBF. Tem...is not a great actor in my view. I'll watch...but I'm just not that confident. Hopefully Nah can carry the show. I actually agree, he's only so-so in his roles. I'm curious to see how he headlines a show. I think he gets away with some monotony due to his role as "clones" but he's gonna have to sell some badassery that I'm not sure he can pull off. Regardless of his performance I suspect I'll love everything else so I'm hoping things will even out for the better.
I do also want to give him the chance.
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Post by BearKingReborn on Dec 17, 2021 0:12:35 GMT
I actually agree, he's only so-so in his roles. I'm curious to see how he headlines a show. The problem with Tem is he is sort of an icon in New Zealand (and it has zero to do with Star Wars - most people couldn't give two shits and a good percentage wouldn't even know he'd been in it). His big 'star making' role was in a movie called Once Were Warriors where he had some pretty incredible range playing an abusive husband and father. It wasn't a pretty or fun film to watch. But he was incredible in it. Before that and since, though, he's played a fine piece of wood in almost everything he has appeared in
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I actually agree, he's only so-so in his roles. I'm curious to see how he headlines a show. The problem with Tem is he is sort of an icon in New Zealand (and it has zero to do with Star Wars - most people couldn't give two shits and a good percentage wouldn't even know he'd been in it). His big 'star making' role was in a movie called Once Were Warriors where he had some pretty incredible range playing an abusive husband and father. It wasn't a pretty or fun film to watch. But he was incredible in it. Before that and since, though, he's played a fine piece of wood in almost everything he has appeared in Off the top of my head I can't think of anything I've seen him in that wasn't Star Wars.
It's interesting hearing about the followings people have elsewhere in the world. I wonder if there are any comparable Canadian actors. I know there's a mid sized group of Canadian sci-fi/fantasy actors that cycle through the stuff filmed in Vancouver/Alberta/Toronto that are immediately recognizable to me. Shows like Continuum, Sanctuary, Wynonna Earp, Lost Girl, Dark Matter, Killjoys, and Van Helsing. Most of them have shown up in the Stargate shows at some point or another too. One of the tracksuit mafia in Hawkeye (the big bruiser) is one.
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Post by BearKingReborn on Dec 17, 2021 1:24:26 GMT
Off the top of my head I can't think of anything I've seen him in that wasn't Star Wars. That is not at all surprising It's interesting hearing about the followings people have elsewhere in the world. I wonder if there are any comparable Canadian actors. I know there's a mid sized group of Canadian sci-fi/fantasy actors that cycle through the stuff filmed in Vancouver/Alberta/Toronto that are immediately recognizable to me. Shows like Continuum, Sanctuary, Wynonna Earp, Lost Girl, Dark Matter, Killjoys, and Van Helsing. Most of them have shown up in the Stargate shows at some point or another too. Aren't nearly all the CW shows (DC Arrowverse, Supernatural - before it ended, Riverdale etc) filmed in Vancouver? I would've thought - headline names aside - a big chunk of the supporting casts were Canadian. One of the tracksuit mafia in Hawkeye (the big bruiser) is one. He was in Deadpool as well, right? Speaking of...we have Polish friends who informed us the small, blond Tracksuit mafia (the one who got set on fire) is a big name in Poland. Apparently he played the Pope, or something.
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Aren't nearly all the CW shows (DC Arrowverse, Supernatural - before it ended, Riverdale etc) filmed in Vancouver? I would've thought - headline names aside - a big chunk of the supporting casts were Canadian. Yeah, Flash and Arrow for sure. I recognized a few buildings here and there, and the mountains in the background frequently in their earlier seasons. He was in Deadpool as well, right? Don't think so, Aleks PaunovicSpeaking of...we have Polish friends who informed us the small, blond Tracksuit mafia (the one who got set on fire) is a big name in Poland. Apparently he played the Pope, or something. Scraggly beard, was taking notes from Kate about (not) buying Imagine Dragons tickets? He did look familiar, couldn't place it though.
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Post by BearKingReborn on Dec 17, 2021 1:48:16 GMT
Was thinking he was the 'rolling up the sleeves' guy at 3:00. But watching it...maybe not.
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Post by BearKingReborn on Dec 17, 2021 1:48:39 GMT
Yeah - that's the one.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 17, 2021 18:27:16 GMT
I'm 3 episodes into season 2 and I'm wondering why they are changing things from the novels. It's not that it's breaking the story, but it feels like they are padding. At this rate, they are either going to rush the last two novels or their plan is a 10 seasons series. Also, Tissaia De Vries is still my favorite. edit: I also still freaking hate Stregobor. It's interesting hearing about the followings people have elsewhere in the world. I wonder if there are any comparable Canadian actors. I know there's a mid sized group of Canadian sci-fi/fantasy actors that cycle through the stuff filmed in Vancouver/Alberta/Toronto that are immediately recognizable to me. Shows like Continuum, Sanctuary, Wynonna Earp, Lost Girl, Dark Matter, Killjoys, and Van Helsing. Most of them have shown up in the Stargate shows at some point or another too. One of the tracksuit mafia in Hawkeye (the big bruiser) is one.
The Canadian TV shows industry is just very small. The producers/writers/directors in it seems to like to invite their buddies from previous shows. And it's not just the actors, behind the scene there is a lots of X worked on Y too. Saying that, Dark Matter/Lost Girl were made by the same production company and Wynnona Earp was created by one of the main producer and writer of Lost Girl, while Killjoys was created by the same person who created Lost Girl. Also, Instant Star and Degrassi Next Generation is heavily linked with those writers/producers. Dark Matter/Continuum were created by Stargate producers. There might be some link with Van Helsing and Stargate too. And I know all that because I spend the last couples of weeks watching most of those shows via streaming and looked at who made what and realized it was basically "the same people". Also, every Canadian actors got at least one bit role in Murdoch Mysteries...
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Post by azarhal on Dec 17, 2021 21:59:14 GMT
So Geralt use the F-word less than in season 1, but I'm pretty sure Jaskier and Yen use it more in season 2. I liked season 2 more than season 1, even if I get the feeling they are derailing the storylines which might impact the later seasons...and it might not have 10 of them because of that. I'm a bit questioning the changes done to Francesca Findabair's storyline for example. That technically started in season 1 when she wasn't in it, but now it's a big departure from the novels. edit because I had to compose my thoughts about it. Somewhat spoilery: The Ithlinne's Prophecy being about a curse makes a lot more sense (they kept the exact same wording)...and CDProjekt totally didn't understand that part. It still make certain things weird thought, because now it's all about saving the Elves or Ciri killing everyone...
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 17, 2021 23:35:26 GMT
Episode 1 thoughts: While Freya Allan is a young-looking 20, and they are doing a decent job of at least not making her look older than she is, I am not liking this aged-up Ciri. She isn't young enough for the father-daughter dynamic to look believable for me, and in fact, it doesn't seem to be developing yet. I really wish they'd found a younger teen for this role, who could have passed for 12. Also not a fan of this Disney plotline. I read the books up to the point where Ciri is told to stay with the sorceresses, but instead goes out to explore the town, and ends up...captured, if I remember correctly? I don't remember anything like this happening. I don't mind Geralt and Ciri having some adventures on the way to Kaer Morhen, especially since they have an older Ciri in the show, but I'd prefer if they blended in with the world more. This one really just sticks out for me, and not in a good way. Did Sapkowski write something like this in one of the books? (Before anyone berates me, I know Disney didn't invent any of these fairytales, but that's where my brain went with this episode and I can't help it.) The "cat" is creepy as fuck, though. What the hell. The episode got a lot better after she revealed herself.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 18, 2021 0:37:57 GMT
Episode 2 thoughts: The elves in this show still just look like cosplaying humans.
I like the look of Kaer Morhen. Clearly game-inspired, in my opinion.
Uh...a tree growing out of Eskel? Is...is that a thing that can happen? Is that why he's being extra awful?
I'm having a hard time figuring out now how old Ciri is supposed to be. One moment they are calling her a "girl" and talking about Geralt taking care of her. The next, she's acting and talking like an older teen or young adult. Which is she? Pick one and stick with it.
Eskel becoming a tree-spider and then having to be killed was...why? What's the point?
Am I supposed to understand what the hell just happened in that cabin in the forest? Did Yen lose her powers in the books? I don't remember it, but maybe it happened later?
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Post by azarhal on Dec 18, 2021 0:38:35 GMT
Episode 1 thoughts: While Freya Allan is a young-looking 20, and they are doing a decent job of at least not making her look older than she is, I am not liking this aged-up Ciri. She isn't young enough for the father-daughter dynamic to look believable for me, and in fact, it doesn't seem to be developing yet. I really wish they'd found a younger teen for this role, who could have passed for 12. Also not a fan of this Disney plotline. I read the books up to the point where Ciri is told to stay with the sorceresses, but instead goes out to explore the town, and ends up...captured, if I remember correctly? I don't remember anything like this happening. I don't mind Geralt and Ciri having some adventures on the way to Kaer Morhen, especially since they have an older Ciri in the show, but I'd prefer if they blended in with the world more. This one really just sticks out for me, and not in a good way. Did Sapkowski write something like this in one of the books? (Before anyone berates me, I know Disney didn't invent any of these fairytales, but that's where my brain went with this episode and I can't help it.) The "cat" is creepy as fuck, though. What the hell. The episode got a lot better after she revealed herself. The first episode Ciri/Geralt story is based on a short story, but it was altered because Ciri wasn't in it and Geralt didn't know the guy in the original version, but it was still quite similar. Sapkowski short stories were based on the same source Disney based their early stuff (as did the Brothers Grimm). The second season alter the book storyline so much that it's basically a whole new story thought. The character are less or more where they should be by the end of Book of Elves, but how they got there was totally different and certain character relationships should be altered/damaged because of it. The real question is how season 3 will work out...
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 18, 2021 2:20:16 GMT
Episode 2 thoughts: Did Yen lose her powers in the books? I don't remember it, but maybe it happened later? I also just finished episode 2. Yen didn't, Ciri did. Like most things in the Witcher books what happens is open to interpretation, I don't agree with it completely but its generally believed that Ciri burnt out her power after drawing it from fire. Which happened towards the end of Time of Contempt, from your description it sounds like you stopped reading at the beginning of that book. Anyway, I suppose Yen burnt out her power at the end of Season 1 during the Battle of Sodden Hill. Speaking of that battle, Yen was blinded for a bit, but this is just recounted after the fact, the show seems to be going for a more figurative blinding.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 18, 2021 6:36:31 GMT
So in general, I liked the stuff with Geralt and Ciri in this season. I also liked not having season 1's wonky timeline. But this season also has a lot of crap in it that I don't like and doesn't make sense, so overall, while it was entertaining enough for a single viewing, I don't have any interest in re-watching this season as a whole. I'll watch season 3 if/when it comes out, but given the direction they took some things this season, I'm not optimistic about it. Episode 3 thoughts: I like Ciri and Geralt training. More game vibes there.
Lambert, Lambert, what a prick. I hope they'll get into why he's like that. Right now, he's just a big bully picking on a "child" for no good reason.
This was a much better episode than the first two, except for the ending. Why was the leshy pulling at Ciri? Why doesn't Geralt just igni the damn thing right away? What is the point of making Yen behead the prisoner, since if she were a spy wanting to preserve her cover she would have just killed him anyway? It proves nothing about her loyalties. Episode 4 thoughts: Ciri just went to bed with her plate of food still full. I know that's minor. I don't care, it's weird I like Triss arriving to help train Ciri, finally. It's nice to see Jaskier again, just not looking like that. He wouldn't look terribly out of place in the 21st century just walking down the street. The Kaer Morhen stuff was the highlight of this episode. The rest of it? Meh. Episode 5 thoughts: Yen rescuing Jaskier was pretty awesome, and clever. I was worried there for a minute when I thought they were actually going to test the mutagens on Ciri. Makes no sense at all.
This was almost the first episode that I liked all the way through. Wtf is that ending, though. Episode 6: WHAT THE FUCK THEY KILLED ROACH. FUCK THIS WHOLE SHOW.
They seem to have figured out the father-daughter dynamic. I'm liking Geralt's scenes with Ciri in this episode and the previous few.
Costuming choices are bizarre for Ciri and Nenneke. Their scene together could easily have taken place in a modern fantasy setting based on their clothes and makeup. Episode 7: I really hate what they did with Yen here. This is an unforgivable betrayal. How can Ciri or Geralt ever believably trust her again? I kept expecting her to realize on her own that she couldn't sacrifice Ciri, not even to get her powers back. But no The hut on legs is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a while, especially right after that horrific scene with the murdered baby. And now Ciri is possessed?? Episode 8: So Deathless Mother rode all the way to Kaer Morhen with Jaskier and the dwarves and waited until she arrived to start murdering? Or is there a pile of dwarf corpses on the road somewhere?
I hated this whole possession crap. What did it give us? A lot of dead witchers? More angst for Ciri, as if there isn't enough already? An excuse for Yen to sacrifice herself for Ciri, to solve a problem that the show itself introduced?
I think Vesemir should have tried to stab Ciri earlier, if Deathless Mother was just going to heal the wound. I think it stretched credibility for him to let so many witchers die while Geralt appeared to make no progress at all freeing Ciri. Why did DM need a vessel, if she was living in a hut before? Couldn't they draw her into some other inanimate object?
I have no sympathy for the elves anymore, not after Francesca murdered a village (or more?) full of infants, and none of the elves seemed to have a problem with it beyond a very weak protest.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 18, 2021 8:54:37 GMT
OK, I LOVED the first episode!!! Lo and behold, a Witcher episode that I actually loved start to finish. Huh! I hated most of the changes done to S1. Some I could understand, others I thought were a grave unnecessary mistake. And even though this episode merges stuff again I don't mind. I thought Ciri's presence was smoothly and beautifully incorporated. At first I was really confused why they're adapting yet another short story when we're supposed to move on to the actual plot of the saga. But I'm not mad because it was such a near perfect adaptation. They did leave out the most interesting part of that story but I can see why they didn't talk about all the young girls that were offered to the beast. And that the girls were into the beast and he was more attractive to them than he was as a sickly man. I guess that would be inappropriate for modern TV. It was already a bit uncomfortable in the books having him sleep with like 13 year old girls. Glad they did reveal in the end that he was cursed for rape. Was wondering if they'd skip that as well...
I thought the whole Nivellen story was wonderfully charming. And it looked really good. The bruxa creature design was great. Well done!
I liked how Ciri reacted to everything, especially her disapproval of Geralt killing the bruxa. I can understand why it seems unfair, cruel. But that creature did kill villagers including children. It had to be done.
Ciri's actress is getting better. Funny enough, saw her a couple of days ago in the 2020 HBO production The Third Day (a kind of British Midsommar) where she didn't have a big role but sold her part. Agreed though that her age is a problem. She does look and sound very young. But it's going to become and more of a problem.
Tissaia is still awesome. Love the actress they picked. I still dislike the casting for Fringilla, so I was meh on her scenes with Yen. I did appreciate the contrast with Geralt having a feast at the monster's mansion while the sorceresses can't even conjure up a proper meal to feed the troops. That was funny.
While I'm surprised they're already padding S2 and it worries me a bit that they're getting sidetracked like WoT, I really really this episode. It looked fantastic. The script was great. Really captured the dark fairytale vibe of the novels.
For non book readers: the entire book series is really a parody on European fairytales/folk lore. This story was 100% a spin on Beauty And The Beast and it was intentional. And it's awesome.
CDPR made a hilarious section in the DLC about all the popular fairytales like Sleeping Beauty and Goldilocks that delighted me to no end. It was so funny dark. 10/10 episode for me. Very pleasantly surprised! I have been told that episode 2 will be back to changes to the plot and I'm apprehensive. My friend said some of the changes are intriguing while others piss him off. Let's see...
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Post by BearKingReborn on Dec 18, 2021 21:37:12 GMT
4 down, 4 to go. I’m liking it well enough, so far. The good Kaer Morhen….wow. When Geralt and Citi first arrived, I thought I was playing TW3 with some kind of hyper realism mod. Perfect, especially the exterior and the laboratory.
Ciri on the Trail and the American Ninja Warrior course.
Lambert, Lambert, what a prick. The bad and the not-so-good Pacing. Again.
Yen losing her magic. I haven’t read the books, so don’t know if this is ‘lore accurate’ or not, but I hope there is some kind of narrative pay-off.
Francesca looks like an elf. As dragontartare said, the rest look like cosplayers.
Blackwall only voicing one character and not even in Novigrad. Curious to learn more Ciri and her Elder Blood. I’m gathering her powers in the books are different to those in the game? Regardless, keen to see where this goes. Based on my half point experience, I’d rate this ‘somewhat better than S1’, but will wait till I’m finished before voting.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 19, 2021 0:56:39 GMT
Finished episode 3. I'm really enjoying the Geralt/Ciri stuff, though they would really have to botch it not to have me invested. I'm like a starving man here. Haha. I could've lived without the blackjack and hookers though. Like how much would you have to pay them to get them to Kaer Morhen. LOL. The political stuff is not good. Finished episode 4, this is the worst for me so far. I'm pretty sure I don't want to know what is up with the Elder Blood/Witchers, I don't imagine I'll be a fan. Blackwall only voicing one character and not even in Novigrad. Boo! This is a Witcher thread, how could you disrespect Carlo Varese (aka Cleaver) like that? Shame. P.S. It did eventually dawn on me that Cleaver resides in Novigrad. I'll show myself out.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 19, 2021 10:43:33 GMT
Episode 2... WTF?! What the hell did I just watch?? My reaction to the episode ranged from utter confusion to disgust and shock.
I paused the episode after 15min during the stuff with Yen and Frangilla to skim Blood Of Elves because I had no idea what was going on there and didn't remember any of it. Turns out they made the entire episode up, lol. You'd think as a book reader I would understand what was happening but I didn't. At all.
I skimmed half of the book and there is actually little plot there, mostly world building through dialogue. So I suppose they filled in the blanks of what happened to Yen before she meets Ciri. Only now it's all about Fringilla because they made her black and turned her into a prominent character that she never was in the books because politics. That is bound to fuck up so many things.
Part of my confusion about what's going on with Yen and her powers was that I forgot that this happens to Ciri later in the books when she uses fire. So I guess they wanted to set that up beforehand. Fair enough.
No idea why that evil (?) spirit looked like a young girl in her vision. No idea what's up with Fringilla and her weird Emhyr crush and ambition to replace him.
I really wish they'd introduced the elves and their desperate position through the caravan scene from the books. If they skip that one, I'll be so mad. It was such a beautiful sequence about false heroism and why Geralt hates getting involved. And Yarpen says so many profound things too. And then they all have to apologize at the end. Perfectly crafted narrative.
Instead in the show they start with weird visions and religious stuff. Making it all needlessly confusing. The elves are in bed with Nilfgaard because they want their own kingdom. It's all political. Yes, we have the whole prophecy around Ciri but that's not why the elves work with Nilfgaard. I don't like the weird religious zealots spin here.
And then there's the whole Kaer Morhen mess... The orgy had me really pissed off. But I was told there actually is a throwaway line that this happened while Ciri was there. I must have missed it rereading that part. Still, they had to have another orgy on the show, didn't they? Because yay nudity is soooo rrrrrrr. *rolls eyes* Imo this completely destroyed the whole vibe of the place as a safe but depressing lonely haven of the last few witchers that are left. It should have been about the boys bonding with Ciri and teaching her. I guess that will happen in the next episode. But way to skew the focus...
And then Eskel turns into a leshy and dies!
WTF
What the actual fuck?!?
What was the point of that?!? He's not terribly important to the story but whyyyyy???
I guess rule of cool applies to this show too. Naked women and monster action. Keeps the ordinary viewer happy, I suppose. I mean if I divorce that episode from the books, then, yes, good looking entertainment. The creature design is really good so far.
I did like the Geralt/Ciri scenes. I'm fine with Vesemir. Everything else was just... way off. This is already something else entirely now. What a massive shocking letdown after the amazing first episode that captured the mood of the series so perfectly. All undone. I'm slightly upset. And a friend who's seen 7 episodes now I think is extremely shocked and furious with all the changes. He did a complete U-turn on S2. Went from total hype to disgust with the entire industry right now. I could have told him, I told you so. I was 90% sure the show would suck when it was announced. In the end S1 was not as bad as I had feared. Not great either but watchable. And I was actually happy it got a lot of people to read the books. The more fans the better. The author deserves the recognition, even if it's through a mediocre TV show. Didn't really expect much from S2 either. But my friend had to go and hype up S2. Great reviews, supposedly so much better than S2. Ditched most of the woke stuff. And I thought, all right. Sounds good. Let's have a look. I was sort of looking forward to it. Eh. So I guess WoT and Witcher are more alike than I thought. The writers just want to write their own fanfiction. I guess I'm really not the kind of person who likes adaptations. At least not the way they're being done here. In theory it should be nice for book readers to get extra scenes, adds an element of surprise and intrigue. And that worked with Yen's backstory in S1 for me. I loved all her scenes. But if they add things that mess with the tone of the story and change the narrative flow, I have a problem with it. It feels like the changes they made in S1 now force further and further departure from the source material. Like Frigilla being in everything. Now they have to keep running with that altered storyline. Minor book spoiler: Fringilla's main purpose comes way later when Geralt tries to seduce and play her for information later on but gets outplayed. And a lot of that has to do with her looking a bit like Yen. So how are they gonna do that now? It's all a mess. Fringilla is really dragging the show down for me and now that Yen is tied to her, it also drags her down. I hope that Mass Effect TV series never gets made. I don't think I can handle something I love so much get mangled in similar fashion... I honestly have no idea who these adaptations get made for. Judging by the reaction to episode 2, apparently not the book readers. I'm curious how non book readers like it. I can definitely see how it would be pretty good entertainment. The show looks good now, I'll give them that. Solid production. Good acting. I guess the added sense of mystery might be appealing to casual audiences as a hook. So it's not bad bad yet. Just frustrating for book readers, I suppose.
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Post by sjpelke on Dec 19, 2021 11:40:26 GMT
Last night I watched the whole second season. Tons of changes were done but when looking at the story with unspoiled eyes as in never having read the story/played the game I have to say it. Geralt as a character had more depth to him compared to season 1 and Ciri grew up. There are some characters and situations that could have been done better but overall liked the gritty set up and visually everything was eye candy. The special effects, the settings and the wardrobes of the cast were all done very well.
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Post by aglomeracja on Dec 19, 2021 12:48:26 GMT
Episode 2... WTF?! What the hell did I just watch?? My reaction to the episode ranged from utter confusion to disgust and shock.
I paused the episode after 15min during the stuff with Yen and Frangilla to skim Blood Of Elves because I had no idea what was going on there and didn't remember any of it. Turns out they made the entire episode up, lol. You'd think as a book reader I would understand what was happening but I didn't. At all.
I skimmed half of the book and there is actually little plot there, mostly world building through dialogue. So I suppose they filled in the blanks of what happened to Yen before she meets Ciri. Only now it's all about Fringilla because they made her black and turned her into a prominent character that she never was in the books because politics. That is bound to fuck up so many things.
Part of my confusion about what's going on with Yen and her powers was that I forgot that this happens to Ciri later in the books when she uses fire. So I guess they wanted to set that up beforehand. Fair enough.
No idea why that evil (?) spirit looked like a young girl in her vision. No idea what's up with Fringilla and her weird Emhyr crush and ambition to replace him.
I really wish they'd introduced the elves and their desperate position through the caravan scene from the books. If they skip that one, I'll be so mad. It was such a beautiful sequence about false heroism and why Geralt hates getting involved. And Yarpen says so many profound things too. And then they all have to apologize at the end. Perfectly crafted narrative.
Instead in the show they start with weird visions and religious stuff. Making it all needlessly confusing. The elves are in bed with Nilfgaard because they want their own kingdom. It's all political. Yes, we have the whole prophecy around Ciri but that's not why the elves work with Nilfgaard. I don't like the weird religious zealots spin here.
And then there's the whole Kaer Morhen mess... The orgy had me really pissed off. But I was told there actually is a throwaway line that this happened while Ciri was there. I must have missed it rereading that part. Still, they had to have another orgy on the show, didn't they? Because yay nudity is soooo rrrrrrr. *rolls eyes* Imo this completely destroyed the whole vibe of the place as a safe but depressing lonely haven of the last few witchers that are left. It should have been about the boys bonding with Ciri and teaching her. I guess that will happen in the next episode. But way to skew the focus...
And then Eskel turns into a leshy and dies!
WTF
What the actual fuck?!?
What was the point of that?!? He's not terribly important to the story but whyyyyy???
I guess rule of cool applies to this show too. Naked women and monster action. Keeps the ordinary viewer happy, I suppose. I mean if I divorce that episode from the books, then, yes, good looking entertainment. The creature design is really good so far.
I did like the Geralt/Ciri scenes. I'm fine with Vesemir. Everything else was just... way off. This is already something else entirely now. What a massive shocking letdown after the amazing first episode that captured the mood of the series so perfectly. All undone. I'm slightly upset. And a friend who's seen 7 episodes now I think is extremely shocked and furious with all the changes. He did a complete U-turn on S2. Went from total hype to disgust with the entire industry right now. I could have told him, I told you so. I was 90% sure the show would suck when it was announced. In the end S1 was not as bad as I had feared. Not great either but watchable. And I was actually happy it got a lot of people to read the books. The more fans the better. The author deserves the recognition, even if it's through a mediocre TV show. Didn't really expect much from S2 either. But my friend had to go and hype up S2. Great reviews, supposedly so much better than S2. Ditched most of the woke stuff. And I thought, all right. Sounds good. Let's have a look. I was sort of looking forward to it. Eh. So I guess WoT and Witcher are more alike than I thought. The writers just want to write their own fanfiction. I guess I'm really not the kind of person who likes adaptations. At least not the way they're being done here. In theory it should be nice for book readers to get extra scenes, adds an element of surprise and intrigue. And that worked with Yen's backstory in S1 for me. I loved all her scenes. But if they add things that mess with the tone of the story and change the narrative flow, I have a problem with it. It feels like the changes they made in S1 now force further and further departure from the source material. Like Frigilla being in everything. Now they have to keep running with that altered storyline. Minor book spoiler: Fringilla's main purpose comes way later when Geralt tries to seduce and play her for information later on but gets outplayed. And a lot of that has to do with her looking a bit like Yen. So how are they gonna do that now? It's all a mess. Fringilla is really dragging the show down for me and now that Yen is tied to her, it also drags her down. I hope that Mass Effect TV series never gets made. I don't think I can handle something I love so much get mangled in similar fashion... I honestly have no idea who these adaptations get made for. Judging by the reaction to episode 2, apparently not the book readers. I'm curious how non book readers like it. I can definitely see how it would be pretty good entertainment. The show looks good now, I'll give them that. Solid production. Good acting. I guess the added sense of mystery might be appealing to casual audiences as a hook. So it's not bad bad yet. Just frustrating for book readers, I suppose. Pretty much +1 on everything you wrote. Unfortunately, the third episode is more like the second instead of the first. They definitely got a higher budget for special effects, but man, does the writing suck. Instead of following the source material, they keep on making those pointless changes that always end up being worse. IIRC that girl from Yen's vision was someone for her childhood. I remember her from the first season.
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