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Post by Iddy on Jul 10, 2019 12:11:39 GMT
I saw Solas' disapproval scene on Youtube and there was this moment when he asks "Do you enjoy the worship? Or do you laugh at gullible fools and their belief?"
And well... I was looking forward to getting that line in my not!Solas friendly pt, but it wasn't there when the cutscene came. Any requirements I'm not meeting?
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Post by Iddy on Jul 10, 2019 13:22:17 GMT
Yes, I know what scene it is. I meant the different versions of its dialogue.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 11, 2019 13:32:25 GMT
maybe it depends on what you say when you're inducted as Inquisitor? as in 'for power, faith, order' etc.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 16, 2019 19:16:54 GMT
maybe it depends on what you say when you're inducted as Inquisitor? as in 'for power, faith, order' etc. This is true. You need to take on the role with the "faith" option. You also need to embrace the title Herald of Andraste when talking with people like Mother Giselle and Cassandra.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 16, 2019 20:45:00 GMT
maybe it depends on what you say when you're inducted as Inquisitor? as in 'for power, faith, order' etc. This is true. You need to take on the role with the "faith" option. You also need to embrace the title Herald of Andraste when talking with people like Mother Giselle and Cassandra. I see
the few times that I've played Inquisition I've done a non Andrastian Dalish elf who wanted to be an exemplar (a mage will stand for us), and an Andrastian Qunari who declared for (I believe) order, and both had a good standing with Solas despite the fact the latter recruited the Templars.
according to the wikia the only choice that grants a lot of disapproval from Solas is if you declare for your own power
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 16, 2019 21:20:14 GMT
according to the wikia the only choice that grants a lot of disapproval from Solas is if you declare for your own power You need to have low approval as well (significantly negative approval)but the OP was specifically asking how you get the dialogue "Do you enjoy the worship?" I don't think you get it if you have been constantly denying you are the Herald even if you have low approval. You have to have specifically founded the Inquisition on Faith. Otherwise you get an alternative caustic comment from him. In order to get approval low enough, you have to constantly opt for choices in dialogue and decision making of which he does not approve. So constantly voice disapproval of mage freedom, his views of magic, ally with the Templars, approve of the Wardens and keep them with the Inquisition, refuse to help his friend or kill his friend if you do his personal quest, ally with the Qun. You get the general idea. To be honest I think it must be quite an art getting his approval low enough because I did a lot of these things with one of my Inquisitors and he still thought he was a great guy. I'd helped his friend, though, and hadn't declared for Faith but I think my guy was just too chatty with him. Solas loves talking about himself and his experiences in the Fade, etc, so not engaging him in conversation about these things at least doesn't improve your approval even if it doesn't impact negatively.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 17, 2019 11:17:01 GMT
according to the wikia the only choice that grants a lot of disapproval from Solas is if you declare for your own power You need to have low approval as well (significantly negative approval)but the OP was specifically asking how you get the dialogue "Do you enjoy the worship?" I don't think you get it if you have been constantly denying you are the Herald even if you have low approval. You have to have specifically founded the Inquisition on Faith. Otherwise you get an alternative caustic comment from him. In order to get approval low enough, you have to constantly opt for choices in dialogue and decision making of which he does not approve. So constantly voice disapproval of mage freedom, his views of magic, ally with the Templars, approve of the Wardens and keep them with the Inquisition, refuse to help his friend or kill his friend if you do his personal quest, ally with the Qun. You get the general idea. To be honest I think it must be quite an art getting his approval low enough because I did a lot of these things with one of my Inquisitors and he still thought he was a great guy. I'd helped his friend, though, and hadn't declared for Faith but I think my guy was just too chatty with him. Solas loves talking about himself and his experiences in the Fade, etc, so not engaging him in conversation about these things at least doesn't improve your approval even if it doesn't impact negatively. for me it is quite hard not to get high approval with characters, I often have to really try to piss them off but I think you're right about the dialogue, as I said in my previous post I've never had a low approval with Solas
or any of the other characters...even Vivienne likes my Inquisitors , my Qunari Inky even (admittedly accidentally) got her as Divine
my Inquisitors tend to be too curious for their own good so they tend to rake up a lot of approval with Solas anyway
and I dunno what it is, but my characters tend to have high approval with everyone, they're peoples people,
in my last playthrough of Origins there was only character I had a fairly low approval with (still at 50+ though) was Shale
and only because I'd recruited her last and had only finished her personal quest, everyone else was at 70 approval or higher
also did a rivalry with Sebastian and Merrill once in DA2, and a cheated one with Anders...but all of them felt odd for me so I never repeated the process
(though I might re-try Sebastian's rivalry for my canon Hawke )
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Post by Tittus on Jul 18, 2019 7:15:50 GMT
according to the wikia the only choice that grants a lot of disapproval from Solas is if you declare for your own power refuse to help his friend or kill his friend In the Keep, it's impossible to not be friends with him and do his personal quest regardless of the result, which means that the quest and that cutscene are mutually exclusives. I don't know about receiving the quest and refusing to go there changes something.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 18, 2019 8:14:27 GMT
even Vivienne likes my Inquisitors , my Qunari Inky even (admittedly accidentally) got her as Divine Same here. I didn't even know she could be Divine until I turned up at the celebration party and discovered she had been voted in. I still think it is ridiculous she was even considered as a mage, no matter how well connected, but at the time I knew I had forgotten to vote for Cassandra. So I re-loaded to just before the battle, voted for Cassandra and still got Vivienne.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 18, 2019 8:24:19 GMT
I don't know about receiving the quest and refusing to go there changes something. I must admit I am assuming a bit here. You are right that your approval needs to be high enough to even be given his personal quest. That is the same for all the other characters too. I went through the first game never having been given the option of aligning with the Qun because I had never got Bull's approval high enough. Then I read on the boards that I should have been able to do that, so I went back, took him on a dragon hunt and, bingo, the series of dialogues that leads to that encounter triggered. So if your approval is low, Solas' personal quest never triggers and you are probably well on your way to the negative approval dialogues. What I was suggesting (and I may be wrong about this) was that your approval might be high enough to trigger the quest but then you could either refuse to do it or kill his friend and that would send your approval rating back down again. If the Keep doesn't allow for this scenario, then I assume I was wrong and even failing at his personal quest will not stop you from being considered his friend.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 18, 2019 11:33:40 GMT
even Vivienne likes my Inquisitors , my Qunari Inky even (admittedly accidentally) got her as Divine Same here. I didn't even know she could be Divine until I turned up at the celebration party and discovered she had been voted in. I still think it is ridiculous she was even considered as a mage, no matter how well connected, but at the time I knew I had forgotten to vote for Cassandra. So I re-loaded to just before the battle, voted for Cassandra and still got Vivienne. my Inky was romancing Cass so I didn't want to break them up I had tried to get Leliana as Divine like I had the first time, turns out if you sided with the Templars you pretty much screwed yourself if you want that outcome
and that's sour...I agree on the whole Vivienne being Divine thing, lore-wise she shouldn't have been made Divine...I mean, she effectively made a second Tevinter
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Post by xerrai on Jul 22, 2019 3:13:09 GMT
Same here. I didn't even know she could be Divine until I turned up at the celebration party and discovered she had been voted in. I still think it is ridiculous she was even considered as a mage, no matter how well connected, but at the time I knew I had forgotten to vote for Cassandra. So I re-loaded to just before the battle, voted for Cassandra and still got Vivienne. my Inky was romancing Cass so I didn't want to break them up I had tried to get Leliana as Divine like I had the first time, turns out if you sided with the Templars you pretty much screwed yourself if you want that outcome
and that's sour...I agree on the whole Vivienne being Divine thing, lore-wise she shouldn't have been made Divine...I mean, she effectively made a second Tevinter No kidding. I mean, a mage being in any position of political power (aside from court mage) was a big no-no for the South. So big that it was a big part of why the Imperial Chantry separated from the Andrastian Chantry. Which is to say nothing of the modern Chantry that nearly looses its shiz when a Circle potentially forms in Orzammar or if Ferelden tries to give its Circle autonomy. But then, I suppose a mage becoming Divine is just as impossible as the Dalish being given thier own land in Ferelden or an elf being made Marquise of the Dales. But I suppose I can let it slide if her Divineship ends just as disastrously as would be expected.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 22, 2019 8:10:52 GMT
my Inky was romancing Cass so I didn't want to break them up I had tried to get Leliana as Divine like I had the first time, turns out if you sided with the Templars you pretty much screwed yourself if you want that outcome
and that's sour...I agree on the whole Vivienne being Divine thing, lore-wise she shouldn't have been made Divine...I mean, she effectively made a second Tevinter No kidding. I mean, a mage being in any position of political power (aside from court mage) was a big no-no for the South. So big that it was a big part of why the Imperial Chantry separated from the Andrastian Chantry. Which is to say nothing of the modern Chantry that nearly looses its shiz when a Circle potentially forms in Orzammar or if Ferelden tries to give its Circle autonomy. But then, I suppose a mage becoming Divine is just as impossible as the Dalish being given thier own land in Ferelden or an elf being made Marquise of the Dales. But I suppose I can let it slide if her Divineship ends just as disastrously as would be expected. yeah...while I think the sentiment for giving the Ferelden Circle autonomy or giving the Dalish their own piece of land is a nice one, in practice it wouldn't work (racial and religious tensions and all that)
also, if said boon is chosen, weren't the Dalish given land east of Ostagar? That place would be tainted due to the Blight right? Meaning for the next few decades it would be uninhabitable to begin with
Way to go Alistair/Anora
and here's hoping for Viv's Divineship to end in disaster, imo. Leliana is still the best Divine...Cass is a close second I like Leli because she reforms the entire Chantry to how it should've been (free to all people, giving priests a chance for a normal life etc.) and Cass because like Leliana she puts forth changes, just to a lesser extreme
Viv imo. is too much of a "me me me" kind of person, while she might have the best interest for her fellow mages at heart, ultimately it's more about what she wants, and not what they want
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Post by xerrai on Jul 22, 2019 20:37:17 GMT
No kidding. I mean, a mage being in any position of political power (aside from court mage) was a big no-no for the South. So big that it was a big part of why the Imperial Chantry separated from the Andrastian Chantry. Which is to say nothing of the modern Chantry that nearly looses its shiz when a Circle potentially forms in Orzammar or if Ferelden tries to give its Circle autonomy. But then, I suppose a mage becoming Divine is just as impossible as the Dalish being given thier own land in Ferelden or an elf being made Marquise of the Dales. But I suppose I can let it slide if her Divineship ends just as disastrously as would be expected. yeah...while I think the sentiment for giving the Ferelden Circle autonomy or giving the Dalish their own piece of land is a nice one, in practice it wouldn't work (racial and religious tensions and all that)
also, if said boon is chosen, weren't the Dalish given land east of Ostagar? That place would be tainted due to the Blight right? Meaning for the next few decades it would be uninhabitable to begin with
Way to go Alistair/Anora
[...] To be fair that was about all Alistair/Anora could get away with. As it stands, the epilogues all but imply that whatever increased status the elves get, it eventually gets matched with heightened racial tensions or straight up deaths. The implication being that these choices are unmade or reverted back to state reminiscent of the status quo by the time the next games start. Which is unfortunate...but not unexpected. Or unrealistic. In all probability Marquise Briala and Divine Vivienne may start out successful enough with thier gathered support, but that will not last forever. Hell, Vivienne almost immediately had to deal with open rebellion in most of her epilogues. In all likelihood, both will either be assassinated or removed from power. Or put in a position where they will be prevented from making any real change. Same goes for Leliana, unfortunately. For all as much as we rail against the status quo, the world insists that it is unwilling to change to any large degree.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 23, 2019 9:17:17 GMT
yeah...while I think the sentiment for giving the Ferelden Circle autonomy or giving the Dalish their own piece of land is a nice one, in practice it wouldn't work (racial and religious tensions and all that)
also, if said boon is chosen, weren't the Dalish given land east of Ostagar? That place would be tainted due to the Blight right? Meaning for the next few decades it would be uninhabitable to begin with
Way to go Alistair/Anora
[...] To be fair that was about all Alistair/Anora could get away with. As it stands, the epilogues all but imply that whatever increased status the elves get, it eventually gets matched with heightened racial tensions or straight up deaths. The implication being that these choices are unmade or reverted back to state reminiscent of the status quo by the time the next games start. Which is unfortunate...but not unexpected. Or unrealistic. In all probability Marquise Briala and Divine Vivienne may start out successful enough with thier gathered support, but that will not last forever. Hell, Vivienne almost immediately had to deal with open rebellion in most of her epilogues. In all likelihood, both will either be assassinated or removed from power. Or put in a position where they will be prevented from making any real change. Same goes for Leliana, unfortunately. For all as much as we rail against the status quo, the world insists that it is unwilling to change to any large degree. yeah you're right...people can be so close minded though...both in the game world and in real life (and I don't have to look far, some of my family members have quite some close minded views about certain subjects, unfortunately)
I'm still going with Leliana for my chosen Divine, we'll see in the next game how well that goes
it's the same thing with choosing either Anora or Alistair alone as ruler, or having them wed the Warden...according to in-game lore the only way Ferelden accepts their rule is if Alistair+Anora rule together, but hey *shrugs* there's a reason I called my canon world state after the song by Rag'n'Bone Man (Human)
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