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Post by Dukemon on Jul 28, 2019 14:13:04 GMT
Basing on the idea from the Amell Thread. There is a question I have all the time. What is Trevelyan knows about what happend in this world state? (Does he even know that his circle did not even existed few years ago? ) Hawke may mention that he heard the tales from Leliana. But Trevelyan never stated what he is rely know. I think Mage Trevelyan is more educated and open-minded then his non mage appearances, though. Other then Amell, Trevelyan fell from the heavens. Literally.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 28, 2019 14:53:27 GMT
On one hand, Trevelyan family more predefined, than Hawke's family, because of the story is vague about Malcolm and Leandra's beliefs (both of them Andrastians, but how much Malcolm devoted, what was his position about the Circle and the Chantry, isn't), while Trevelyan family is very pious Andrastian family – a strong bastion of the Chantry – with many Templars among them. On the other hand, our Trevelyan mage can be rebellious, but the Ostwick Circle was painted very vaguely: we don't know anything about it, but the game suggests, it was a lukewarm Circle, the mages rather died of boredom, and the Trevelyan was able to visit his/her family often... But... also allowed to choose the answer (with Josie, for example), that it was awful (like every Circle). Thus allowing for a rebel or "loyal" mage gameplay. The DAO and DA2 was better on this. The Inquisitor is lukewarm to me. My Trevelyan mage(s) is rebel, and mutually disowned each other with his family. Fortunately the game allows to headcanon it, while I feel the game pushed the idea of the "good Circle", "the Mages live still better than the others, cause they have food and bed..." – And "they're dangerous and their interest to be locked in the Circle" (Vivienne)... And the "redeemed" Cullen is able to say that "Meredith's methods were harsh, but kept people safe ..." And the Inquisitor doesn't have a chance to argue with them... I tried, but there are no acceptable reply in game. And the Inquisitor can't express sympathy toward rebel Hawke and Anders. (Just like Hawke can't defend Anders and his and Anders' opinions in the Inquisition.) The elves also retconned with that "three mage" bullshit, to make the Chantry's prison-Circles more acceptable. (But this is just my usual rant.)
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 8, 2019 16:16:46 GMT
I got the feeling that Ostwick was among the first Circles to revolt over the Annulment of the Gallows due to Trevelyan's ignorance over the events of Asunder. The other Circles in the Free Marches would have been the first to hear the news, and they would have heard it directly from survivors of the Gallows.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 8, 2019 16:40:39 GMT
I got the feeling that Ostwick was among the first Circles to revolt over the Annulment of the Gallows due to Trevelyan's ignorance over the events of Asunder. The other Circles in the Free Marches would have been the first to hear the news, and they would have heard it directly from survivors of the Gallows. ^ agreed, I mean...it's what Orsino tells his people to do "spread word to the other cities"
if you look at a map of the Free Marches, Ostwick (like Kirkwall) is accessible by sea, it might be possible some mages might've read about how to sail a ship, stole one once they were free and sailed it to the coastal cities of the Free Marches to warn the Circles
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Post by Sifr on Aug 8, 2019 23:19:51 GMT
Ostwick being so close to Kirkwall means they might have sent their Templars to Kirkwall to provide them with reinforcements.
That could explain one of the dialogue options from Mage Trevelyan claiming that Ostwick's Circle was so boring, they didn't so much rise-up against the Templars as walk out the door. Vivienne claims the Ostwick Circle was considered pretty loyal, so if the Ostwick Templars did reinforce Kirkwall, they might have only left a token force behind that wasn't equipped to deal with the mages when they unexpected did rebel?
On a somewhat related note, World of Thedas revealed the codex entry author "Philliam, a Bard!" is part of the Trevelyan family, thus making him a distant relative of the human Inquisitor. His full name was given as Philliam Bernard Aloicious Trevelyan.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 9, 2019 1:39:20 GMT
Ostwick being so close to Kirkwall means they might have sent their Templars to Kirkwall to provide them with reinforcements. That could explain one of the dialogue options from Mage Trevelyan claiming that Ostwick's Circle was so boring, they didn't so much rise-up against the Templars as walk out the door. Vivienne claims the Ostwick Circle was considered pretty loyal, so if the Ostwick Templars did reinforce Kirkwall, they might have only left a token force behind that wasn't equipped to deal with the mages when they unexpected did rebel? On a somewhat related note, World of Thedas revealed the codex entry author "Philliam, a Bard!" is part of the Trevelyan family, thus making him a distant relative of the human Inquisitor. His full name was given as Philliam Bernard Aloicious Trevelyan. Vivienne is such a treasure! /sigh
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 9, 2019 2:22:57 GMT
Ostwick being so close to Kirkwall means they might have sent their Templars to Kirkwall to provide them with reinforcements. That could explain one of the dialogue options from Mage Trevelyan claiming that Ostwick's Circle was so boring, they didn't so much rise-up against the Templars as walk out the door. Vivienne claims the Ostwick Circle was considered pretty loyal, so if the Ostwick Templars did reinforce Kirkwall, they might have only left a token force behind that wasn't equipped to deal with the mages when they unexpected did rebel? On a somewhat related note, World of Thedas revealed the codex entry author "Philliam, a Bard!" is part of the Trevelyan family, thus making him a distant relative of the human Inquisitor. His full name was given as Philliam Bernard Aloicious Trevelyan. Vivienne is such a treasure! /sigh As much as I dislike Vivienne, she did grow up in the Ostwick Circle, so she's not completely talking out of her ass, for once. Depending on Trevelyan's age, there could easily have been a generational shift between when they were there.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 9, 2019 15:21:54 GMT
I feel like Trevelyans can't really be white. Otherwise it's gonna be awkward when Dorian says "We're related" and "I knew there was a reason we look so much alike";
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Post by xerrai on Aug 9, 2019 16:16:46 GMT
Ostwick being so close to Kirkwall means they might have sent their Templars to Kirkwall to provide them with reinforcements. That could explain one of the dialogue options from Mage Trevelyan claiming that Ostwick's Circle was so boring, they didn't so much rise-up against the Templars as walk out the door. Vivienne claims the Ostwick Circle was considered pretty loyal, so if the Ostwick Templars did reinforce Kirkwall, they might have only left a token force behind that wasn't equipped to deal with the mages when they unexpected did rebel? [...] That may have been true when Vivienne was part of the Ostwick Circle but that may not be true by the time of the rebellion. According to Trevelyan's mage codex entry the Ostwick Circle "did not decide in favor of either templars or mages, clinging to neutrality during the rebellion" which matches with how the Circle being described as sedate. Still, based on conversation with a mage Trevelyan, the place seemed peaceful enough if they were apparently able to walk out...even if it is the place where that pissy Tevinter-loyal mage in Redcliffe came from. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was her who killed Enchanter Lydia. It definitely seems like a place where the templars would be comfortable enough to send potential reinforcements to Kirkwall instead of guarding the Circle.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 9, 2019 17:11:55 GMT
I feel like Trevelyans can't really be white. Otherwise it's gonna be awkward when Dorian says "We're related" and "I knew there was a reason we look so much alike"; no offense but imo. your comment makes no sense
DNA and genetics are fickle anyway, there are many ways people can look related without sharing skin tone there's also the fact that genetics can resurface many generations later, example being a pale skinned couple giving birth to a dark skinned child or vice versa
also Dorian says "we are talking long ago, of course" the Trevelyans have likely had so many different influences in their DNA that they can be any shade of the rainbow (in a manner of speaking)
that said, I do plan on making my own Trevelyan with a darker skin tone (both my Hawke and Warden have fair/pale skin) but that's mostly because I like having difference between characters then anything else
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Post by Iddy on Aug 9, 2019 17:25:49 GMT
I feel like Trevelyans can't really be white. Otherwise it's gonna be awkward when Dorian says "We're related" and "I knew there was a reason we look so much alike"; no offense but imo. your comment makes no sense
DNA and genetics are fickle anyway, there are many ways people can look related without sharing skin tone there's also the fact that genetics can resurface many generations later, example being a pale skinned couple giving birth to a dark skinned child or vice versa
also Dorian says "we are talking long ago, of course" the Trevelyans have likely had so many different influences in their DNA that they can be any shade of the rainbow (in a manner of speaking)
that said, I do plan on making my own Trevelyan with a darker skin tone (both my Hawke and Warden have fair/pale skin) but that's mostly because I like having difference between characters then anything else Sure, but he says "We look alike". It's a bit immersion breaking if you got a pale ass Inquisitor, right?
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 9, 2019 17:28:32 GMT
I got the impression that the Ostwick Circle was a sort of middle ground. Not as bad as Kirkwall or the White Spire, but its Knight-Commander didn't run as tight a ship as Greagoir. It had its dark side, but it's up to the player whether Trevelyan experienced it.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 9, 2019 17:56:27 GMT
Sure, but he says "We look alike". It's a bit immersion breaking if you got a pale ass Inquisitor, right? unless you make an albino (as far as that's possible...I tried making one a little while back but she didn't really turn out well)
still, I always believed the Free Marches to be a bit of a melting pot of different countries (and therefore skin tones) even more so then other countries in Thedas
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Post by Catilina on Aug 9, 2019 20:15:05 GMT
Ostwick being so close to Kirkwall means they might have sent their Templars to Kirkwall to provide them with reinforcements.
That could explain one of the dialogue options from Mage Trevelyan claiming that Ostwick's Circle was so boring, they didn't so much rise-up against the Templars as walk out the door. Vivienne claims the Ostwick Circle was considered pretty loyal, so if the Ostwick Templars did reinforce Kirkwall, they might have only left a token force behind that wasn't equipped to deal with the mages when they unexpected did rebel?
[...] That may have been true when Vivienne was part of the Ostwick Circle but that may not be true by the time of the rebellion. According to Trevelyan's mage codex entry the Ostwick Circle "did not decide in favor of either templars or mages, clinging to neutrality during the rebellion" which matches with how the Circle being described as sedate. Still, based on conversation with a mage Trevelyan, the place seemed peaceful enough if they were apparently able to walk out...even if it is the place where that pissy Tevinter-loyal mage in Redcliffe came from. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was her who killed Enchanter Lydia. It definitely seems like a place where the templars would be comfortable enough to send potential reinforcements to Kirkwall instead of guarding the Circle. How I hate this. How can be "neutral"? That's the worst. The neutrality is the worst. Even the Aequitarians aren't "neutral". These mages don't care about their own fate? They don't have opinion about their life, about themselves? Bah! This neutrality is that I hate in the Inquisition, a lukewarm shit. I understand, they wanted to let people play their own style. But why they just let it vague, instead that "neutrality"? But yes, still the Inquisitor can tell to Josie, that it was terrible... why the Inquisitor can't say to Vivienne, that s/he was who killed that Loyalist? (I would LOVE to see Vivienne's reaction.) Who perhaps would try to prevent the rebellion? This would be the freedom in RP game, not that forced neutrality. How exactly can be a hero someone who doesn't have opinion? About his/her own fate, about him/herself... For what, for whom does such a person stand for? Nothing... because Corypheus perhaps right, who knows? Neutrality is important! (I know, I have passionate opinion about it.)
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Post by Dukemon on Aug 10, 2019 1:32:52 GMT
Sure, but he says "We look alike". It's a bit immersion breaking if you got a pale ass Inquisitor, right? unless you make an albino (as far as that's possible...I tried making one a little while back but she didn't really turn out well)
still, I always believed the Free Marches to be a bit of a melting pot of different countries (and therefore skin tones) even more so then other countries in Thedas Ostwick is a city at the sea. People who live very often on ships have a darker skin tone because of they are very long outside under the sun. Like Isabela skin tone in DAO made sense. Similar to people who live in a port town. Like Ostwick. It is very likely Trevelyan can have a browned skin.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 11, 2019 1:39:44 GMT
Another way to interpret the Ostwick Circle's neutrality is that none of the fraternities had enough of a majority to compel the others to a side, so the First Enchanter focused on keeping them all alive.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 11, 2019 6:55:48 GMT
still, I always believed the Free Marches to be a bit of a melting pot of different countries (and therefore skin tones) even more so then other countries in Thedas This is one of the reasons I like to give my Trevelyan's slightly darker skin tones to imply a mixed-race heritage.
My personal headcanon is Trevelyan's mother is the daughter of a powerful Rivaini merchant and their paternal grandmother was Antivan. Whereas Great Aunt Lucille's side of the family typically have more Orlesian/Fereldan ancestry, giving them lighter skin tones.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 11, 2019 11:01:00 GMT
still, I always believed the Free Marches to be a bit of a melting pot of different countries (and therefore skin tones) even more so then other countries in Thedas This is one of the reasons I like to give my Trevelyan's slightly darker skin tones to imply a mixed-race heritage.
My personal headcanon is Trevelyan's mother is the daughter of a powerful Rivaini merchant and their paternal grandmother was Antivan. Whereas Great Aunt Lucille's side of the family typically have more Orlesian/Fereldan ancestry, giving them lighter skin tones.
I'm still trying to figure out the head canon background of my own Trevelyan, her name is more Orlesian (Cordelia) and I plan on giving her darker skin as well once I had an Amell who had half-Antivan heritage, I suppose I could use the same set up for my Trevelyan (since I don't plan on remaking that particular Amell any time soon)
I've already decided she has four older brothers, but funnily enough they all have British or Scottish names (William, Halwyn, Fiachra and Gawain)
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Post by Iddy on Sept 23, 2019 11:59:47 GMT
I don't like the way the Trevelyan family is portrayed in the war table missions. I want my Inquisitor to belong to a proud and honorable lineage... not a bunch of desperate, greedy critters.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 23, 2019 16:50:32 GMT
I don't like the way the Trevelyan family is portrayed in the war table missions. I want my Inquisitor to belong to a proud and honorable lineage... not a bunch of desperate, greedy critters. it's why I dislike the Trevelyan war table missions, they're a bit boring imo.
I mean...the motto is "modest in temper, bold in deed" as you say about the Trevelyans as portrayed in the war table...doesn't exactly sound like it do they? imo. they sound very much well...Orlesian
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 23, 2019 19:23:51 GMT
no offense but imo. your comment makes no sense DNA and genetics are fickle anyway, there are many ways people can look related without sharing skin tone there's also the fact that genetics can resurface many generations later, example being a pale skinned couple giving birth to a dark skinned child or vice versa
also Dorian says "we are talking long ago, of course" the Trevelyans have likely had so many different influences in their DNA that they can be any shade of the rainbow (in a manner of speaking) that said, I do plan on making my own Trevelyan with a darker skin tone (both my Hawke and Warden have fair/pale skin) but that's mostly because I like having difference between characters then anything else Sure, but he says "We look alike". It's a bit immersion breaking if you got a pale ass Inquisitor, right? "We look alike" could easily be referring to their facial structure or hair texture or physical build or... anything at all, really. I don't like the way the Trevelyan family is portrayed in the war table missions. I want my Inquisitor to belong to a proud and honorable lineage... not a bunch of desperate, greedy critters. You think most old "proud and honorable" families aren't full of desperate, greedy wastrels? Where have you been? Also: you can't choose your family. Being born to a family of assholes doesn't mean you have to be one.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 23, 2019 19:38:53 GMT
Sure, but he says "We look alike". It's a bit immersion breaking if you got a pale ass Inquisitor, right? "We look alike" could easily be referring to their facial structure or hair texture or physical build or... anything at all, really. I don't like the way the Trevelyan family is portrayed in the war table missions. I want my Inquisitor to belong to a proud and honorable lineage... not a bunch of desperate, greedy critters. You think most old "proud and honorable" families aren't full of desperate, greedy wastrels? Where have you been? Also: you can't choose your family. Being born to a family of assholes doesn't mean you have to be one. 1. True enough. 2. Maybe the Couslands set the bar too high
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Post by sageoflife on Sept 24, 2019 14:41:45 GMT
The Trevelyans in the war table missions aren't the main branch of the family.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 24, 2019 14:53:30 GMT
The Trevelyans in the war table missions aren't the main branch of the family. ^ that might be it then...maybe the directly related family (aka. dad and mom Trevelyan) are as noble/honorable or ruthless as however you make your Inquisitor act
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Sept 24, 2019 15:45:19 GMT
The Trevelyans in the war table missions aren't the main branch of the family. ^ that might be it then...maybe the directly related family (aka. dad and mom Trevelyan) are as noble/honorable or ruthless as however you make your Inquisitor act Yea, I always thought the war table missions were distant cousins trying to cash in on the family name, while the immediate family have a bit more class.
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