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Post by jclosed on Nov 2, 2019 10:21:48 GMT
Well - If we hear anything I can only hope it's nothing stupid like a complete reboot of the series, a remaster (that only fans will buy), or a continuation with another revival of Shepard (please NO).
I will be frank here. The old story with "Shepard" is finished and dead now. Better get over it and head into the future. I'm only am interested in the continuation of the Andromeda story. Yes - It had a not too great start, but it had a solid foundation to build up on. Do not forget the first of the ME trilogy games was not that superb either. That series grew with the next releases. I am sure that Andromeda could be a trilogy also. Maybe they can pull off with a brand new story - not anything Shepard of Andromeda related, but that would be an even bigger challenge.
So there you have it. I honestly do not think we hear anything, but IF we hear anything, let it be Andromeda related. Anything else will not have my interest. And if they have the guts to reanimate Shepard again I will curse them for eternity... Ehrrmm.... Well - I'm not such a harsh bad guy to do that to be honest, but you get the picture - If you know what I mean (To paraphrase Oliver B. Bumble - a comic character drawn by Marten Toonder, an author well known in my country).
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 2, 2019 13:33:58 GMT
Well - If we hear anything I can only hope it's nothing stupid like a complete reboot of the series, a remaster (that only fans will buy), or a continuation with another revival of Shepard (please NO). I will be frank here. The old story with "Shepard" is finished and dead now. Better get over it and head into the future. I'm only am interested in the continuation of the Andromeda story. Yes - It had a not too great start, but it had a solid foundation to build up on. Do not forget the first of the ME trilogy games was not that superb either. That series grew with the next releases. I am sure that Andromeda could be a trilogy also. Maybe they can pull off with a brand new story - not anything Shepard of Andromeda related, but that would be an even bigger challenge. So there you have it. I honestly do not think we hear anything, but IF we hear anything, let it be Andromeda related. Anything else will not have my interest. And if they have the guts to reanimate Shepard again I will curse them for eternity... Ehrrmm.... Well - I'm not such a harsh bad guy to do that to be honest, but you get the picture - If you know what I mean (To paraphrase Oliver B. Bumble - a comic character drawn by Marten Toonder, an author well known in my country). Yeah I want them to continue in Andromeda as wel lbut that's up to Bioware
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 2, 2019 17:02:06 GMT
Well - If we hear anything I can only hope it's nothing stupid like a complete reboot of the series, a remaster (that only fans will buy), or a continuation with another revival of Shepard (please NO). I will be frank here. The old story with "Shepard" is finished and dead now. Better get over it and head into the future. I'm only am interested in the continuation of the Andromeda story. Yes - It had a not too great start, but it had a solid foundation to build up on. Do not forget the first of the ME trilogy games was not that superb either. That series grew with the next releases. I am sure that Andromeda could be a trilogy also. Maybe they can pull off with a brand new story - not anything Shepard of Andromeda related, but that would be an even bigger challenge. So there you have it. I honestly do not think we hear anything, but IF we hear anything, let it be Andromeda related. Anything else will not have my interest. And if they have the guts to reanimate Shepard again I will curse them for eternity... Ehrrmm.... Well - I'm not such a harsh bad guy to do that to be honest, but you get the picture - If you know what I mean (To paraphrase Oliver B. Bumble - a comic character drawn by Marten Toonder, an author well known in my country). Yeah I want them to continue in Andromeda as wel lbut that's up to Bioware It's definitely up to them. I hope they choose to continue with Andromeda too though.
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Post by Little Bengel on Nov 2, 2019 23:06:18 GMT
I'm definitely partial to a continuation of Andromeda as well.
They left a good amount of questions hanging.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 2, 2019 23:16:31 GMT
I'm definitely partial to a continuation of Andromeda as well. They left a good amount of questions hanging.That they did.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 5, 2019 11:25:35 GMT
I'll play ME3MP and drink wine and completely miss any announcement on some obscure twitter thread that might be made. Not that I care a lot - I think it's pretty much dead already and needs necromancy to be risen again.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 5, 2019 11:46:54 GMT
I'll play ME3MP and drink wine and completely miss any announcement on some obscure twitter thread that might be made. Not that I care a lot - I think it's pretty much dead already and needs necromancy to be risen again. Or Dr. Frankenstein....
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Nov 6, 2019 16:20:32 GMT
I don't expect anything besides tweeting "happy n7 day".
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 6, 2019 17:11:49 GMT
I don't expect anything besides tweeting "happy n7 day". Yeah neither do I tbh I'm likely just going t obe rteating it like a norma lday and just continue with my playthrough I hav eon the goas I'm playing through the rtilogy an dplan to go through MEA again afterwards.
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Post by Ascend on Nov 7, 2019 4:24:13 GMT
. I'm only am interested in the continuation of the Andromeda story. Yes - It had a not too great start, but it had a solid foundation to build up on. Do not forget the first of the ME trilogy games was not that superb either. That series grew with the next releases. Can't say I agree with this. The first Mass Effect had its problems, sure, but it had multiple things that none of the follow-up games could match. Whether you agree with that or not, the first Mass Effect despite doing a lot of things wrong, did the most important things right. It's the reason the series became a success in the first place. Andromeda is a different beast that barely did anything right, which is why the series feels dead right now. If the first Mass Effect ever was like Andromeda, most likely the second game would have never been made... Comparing Andromeda to ME1 is a disservice to the Mass Effect name. They did two things right in Andromeda. Environmental graphics and the gameplay. One might think that those are two very important things in a game, but obviously those are not for the likes of Mass Effect. ME1 with its mediocre gameplay was vastly more successful, and with good reason. It had interesting villains, a great plot with great twists, an interesting world, interesting enough characters... All those are things that Andromeda lacks, and characters aside, the follow-up games created a mess of everything else. People like to say that the ending of ME3 killed Mass Effect, but honestly, it was the overhyped success of ME2 that started it. The game was praised even when it didn't deserve to be. The problems became fun memes rather than real criticism. The lack of plot coherence, the increase of absurd events and explanations (like killing off the protagonist and reviving him/her for no real reason), the linearity and claustrophobic feel, the ignoring of important plot points of the previous game... Ultimately, the whole franchise suffered from it. Both Andromeda and ME3 are attempts to improve on ME2's and implement elements from ME1. But it seems they still have no idea what made ME1 so good, because, they either implement the ME1 aspects badly, or simply implement the wrong things... ME2 improved three things mainly... The characters, the graphics and the gameplay. All the rest is inferior, so I cannot agree that the series 'grew' with the ME1 successors. The ones that played ME2 first (which is most likely the majority) ultimately feel that that is the best game of the franchise. But... For most people that played ME1 first, ME2 felt like a regression, despite the improvements. All that being said... I actually welcome an Andromeda successor. But I do not expect it to be a great game. There have been too many subsequent failures in BioWare's recent track record. Andromeda was a chance for them to redeem themselves after the ME3 ending, they failed. Then there was Anthem, which gave high expectations, and, well, we all know how that turned out. It was basically Andromeda V2. So... At this point, I cannot trust the next game to be great, be it Dragon Age or Mass Effect. But I'm still open to it, and it can work... The elephant in the room is still there though. As for N7 day... This is the first year where my care level is so "high", that I almost forgot it existed... So... Yeah. I'm not expecting anything really, although, almost anything is welcome, even though I'm extremely skeptical.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 7, 2019 4:39:11 GMT
. I'm only am interested in the continuation of the Andromeda story. Yes - It had a not too great start, but it had a solid foundation to build up on. Do not forget the first of the ME trilogy games was not that superb either. That series grew with the next releases. Can't say I agree with this. The first Mass Effect had its problems, sure, but it had multiple things that none of the follow-up games could match. Whether you agree with that or not, the first Mass Effect despite doing a lot of things wrong, did the most important things right. It's the reason the series became a success in the first place. Andromeda is a different beast that barely did anything right, which is why the series feels dead right now. If the first Mass Effect ever was like Andromeda, most likely the second game would have never been made... Comparing Andromeda to ME1 is a disservice to the Mass Effect name. They did two things right in Andromeda. Environmental graphics and the gameplay. One might think that those are two very important things in a game, but obviously those are not for the likes of Mass Effect. ME1 with its mediocre gameplay was vastly more successful, and with good reason. It had interesting villains, a great plot with great twists, an interesting world, interesting enough characters... All those are things that Andromeda lacks, and characters aside, the follow-up games created a mess of everything else. People like to say that the ending of ME3 killed Mass Effect, but honestly, it was the overhyped success of ME2 that started it. The game was praised even when it didn't deserve to be. The problems became fun memes rather than real criticism. The lack of plot coherence, the increase of absurd events and explanations (like killing off the protagonist and reviving him/her for no real reason), the linearity and claustrophobic feel, the ignoring of important plot points of the previous game... Ultimately, the whole franchise suffered from it. Both Andromeda and ME3 are attempts to improve on ME2's and implement elements from ME1. But it seems they still have no idea what made ME1 so good, because, they either implement the ME1 aspects badly, or simply implement the wrong things... ME2 improved three things mainly... The characters, the graphics and the gameplay. All the rest is inferior, so I cannot agree that the series 'grew' with the ME1 successors. The ones that played ME2 first (which is most likely the majority) ultimately feel that that is the best game of the franchise. But... For most people that played ME1 first, ME2 felt like a regression, despite the improvements. All that being said... I actually welcome an Andromeda successor. But I do not expect it to be a great game. There have been too many subsequent failures in BioWare's recent track record. Andromeda was a chance for them to redeem themselves after the ME3 ending, they failed. Then there was Anthem, which gave high expectations, and, well, we all know how that turned out. It was basically Andromeda V2. So... At this point, I cannot trust the next game to be great, be it Dragon Age or Mass Effect. But I'm still open to it, and it can work... The elephant in the room is still there though. As for N7 day... This is the first year where my care level is so "high", that I almost forgot it existed... So... Yeah. I'm not expecting anything really, although, almost anything is welcome, even though I'm extremely skeptical. I can't agree. ME1 is subpar to the rest Andromeda included. Andromeda is what ME1 should have been imho.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Nov 7, 2019 6:45:15 GMT
People like to say that the ending of ME3 killed Mass Effect, but honestly, it was the overhyped success of ME2 that started it. The game was praised even when it didn't deserve to be. The problems became fun memes rather than real criticism. The lack of plot coherence, the increase of absurd events and explanations (like killing off the protagonist and reviving him/her for no real reason), the linearity and claustrophobic feel, the ignoring of important plot points of the previous game... Ultimately, the whole franchise suffered from it. Both Andromeda and ME3 are attempts to improve on ME2's and implement elements from ME1. But it seems they still have no idea what made ME1 so good, because, they either implement the ME1 aspects badly, or simply implement the wrong things... ME2 improved three things mainly... The characters, the graphics and the gameplay. All the rest is inferior, so I cannot agree that the series 'grew' with the ME1 successors. The ones that played ME2 first (which is most likely the majority) ultimately feel that that is the best game of the franchise. But... For most people that played ME1 first, ME2 felt like a regression, despite the improvements. I guess a Like won't suffice, so I need to quote. Yes, the hype is still strong with ME2. I'm one of those who played the MET in order, even if it was after ME3 was actually released, but as I did not know anything about Bioware then, I got by without spoilers and such.
I can handle clunky gameplay to a certain extent, else I would never bothered playing a mage in Skyrim as compared to Dragon Age (What? Just two spells on mouse buttons? U mad?). There is apparently something called "Willing Suspension of Disbelief". Certain things in MEA stretch it quite a bit for me, but ME2 regularly tears it apart. ME3 slightly less so, but still... The thing for me is, the incoherence between ME and 2 and amount of unecessary contrivances kicks me right out of the immersion. The more I play it, the worse it gets.
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Post by vella on Nov 7, 2019 9:26:40 GMT
Meh. Things don't stay dead in the showbiz. There's always someone who will try to make money on existing franchises. Some will succeed, some don't. Just look at any game franchise. Necromancy is much more cheaper and easier than inventing something brand new. I don't think we've seen the last of Mass Effect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 9:41:56 GMT
. I'm only am interested in the continuation of the Andromeda story. Yes - It had a not too great start, but it had a solid foundation to build up on. Do not forget the first of the ME trilogy games was not that superb either. That series grew with the next releases. Can't say I agree with this. The first Mass Effect had its problems, sure, but it had multiple things that none of the follow-up games could match. Whether you agree with that or not, the first Mass Effect despite doing a lot of things wrong, did the most important things right. It's the reason the series became a success in the first place. Andromeda is a different beast that barely did anything right, which is why the series feels dead right now. If the first Mass Effect ever was like Andromeda, most likely the second game would have never been made... Comparing Andromeda to ME1 is a disservice to the Mass Effect name. They did two things right in Andromeda. Environmental graphics and the gameplay. One might think that those are two very important things in a game, but obviously those are not for the likes of Mass Effect. ME1 with its mediocre gameplay was vastly more successful, and with good reason. It had interesting villains, a great plot with great twists, an interesting world, interesting enough characters... All those are things that Andromeda lacks, and characters aside, the follow-up games created a mess of everything else. People like to say that the ending of ME3 killed Mass Effect, but honestly, it was the overhyped success of ME2 that started it. The game was praised even when it didn't deserve to be. The problems became fun memes rather than real criticism. The lack of plot coherence, the increase of absurd events and explanations (like killing off the protagonist and reviving him/her for no real reason), the linearity and claustrophobic feel, the ignoring of important plot points of the previous game... Ultimately, the whole franchise suffered from it. Both Andromeda and ME3 are attempts to improve on ME2's and implement elements from ME1. But it seems they still have no idea what made ME1 so good, because, they either implement the ME1 aspects badly, or simply implement the wrong things... ME2 improved three things mainly... The characters, the graphics and the gameplay. All the rest is inferior, so I cannot agree that the series 'grew' with the ME1 successors. The ones that played ME2 first (which is most likely the majority) ultimately feel that that is the best game of the franchise. But... For most people that played ME1 first, ME2 felt like a regression, despite the improvements. All that being said... I actually welcome an Andromeda successor. But I do not expect it to be a great game. There have been too many subsequent failures in BioWare's recent track record. Andromeda was a chance for them to redeem themselves after the ME3 ending, they failed. Then there was Anthem, which gave high expectations, and, well, we all know how that turned out. It was basically Andromeda V2. So... At this point, I cannot trust the next game to be great, be it Dragon Age or Mass Effect. But I'm still open to it, and it can work... The elephant in the room is still there though. As for N7 day... This is the first year where my care level is so "high", that I almost forgot it existed... So... Yeah. I'm not expecting anything really, although, almost anything is welcome, even though I'm extremely skeptical. I can't agree with this. All you've said in this whole long diatribe is that YOU didn't find the characters and story in Andromeda interesting. You haven't (and actually no one here has) been able to objectively state WHY specifically the characters in Andromeda are subpar to the characters AS PRESENTED IN ME1. The characters in Andromeda had far more depth and we were given far more intricate insights into their backgrounds than we EVER got in ME1. The characters in ME1 are paper dolls by comparison. It was ME2 that brought actual character development into Mass Effect. Tali and Garrus would not even be characters had they not been fleshed out in ME2. With Jaal, we were not told about his politics or his family relationships in a single conversation of dialogue, we were SHOWN over several quests how interacted with his mentors (the Moshae) and his family (his brothers and sisters), and his old-time adversary (Aksul). We were shown his level of influence among his friends (in the Resistance) and others (while recruiting members for the Resistance). We were even shown in "dreams" - the star chart in his room. We were also snown multiple sides to PeeBee and Liam.
As for the story, Andromeda's story has a slow intro... but an immense potential to build into a great Trilogy. ME, on the other had opened with it's best story and then, as you suggest, fizzled on that front... leading directly to an ending that was disappointing and destined to be disappointing from the start BECAUSE ME1 kept alluding to "great things" that Bioware had no idea how to go about fulfilling. The "lofty" unknowable Reapers in ME1 only disappointed as we learned more about them, stripped of their mystery... in the end they became a small boy behaving badly, which stripped Shepard of his might. Andromeda makes no such lofty promises about the antagonist... so the trend can be that the enemies get more and more powerful as we unravel who they really are. However, I sincerely get the impression though that what ME fans wanted was to again just be told "this is unknowable and mysterious" for 50-100 hours with a "voodoo" power seeking to take over your mind in the universe... so they could just hype up that "mystery" in their own minds. (and throw in a few husks (read zombies... because any game with zombies sells... and the only real problem with the Kett is they weren't zombie enough to be zombies)... because that's ALL that ME1's story really did.
So, at some point, someone will remaster ME1. The bigger question is whether it will ultimately be as satisfying to the fans as they've built it up in their own minds to be. I'm betting not. I'm betting the "fans" will be more disappointed by a redone ME1 than they were by Andromeda... and saddened that I'm probably losing out on the potential to go farther into an entirely new story with Andromeda in the process. However, c'est la vie... life goes on.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 7, 2019 9:45:20 GMT
I can't agree. ME1 is subpar to the rest Andromeda included. Andromeda is what ME1 should have been imho.
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Post by saandrig on Nov 7, 2019 11:48:28 GMT
I can't agree. ME1 is subpar to the rest Andromeda included. Andromeda is what ME1 should have been imho. It's all subjective at this point. I rate ME1 and MEA just about equally, because of their different strengths and weaknesses compared to each other. Overall I found them both ok, but nothing really fun most of the time. ME2 and to a slightly lesser extent ME3 kept me engaged much more, so they are the better ones in my books. You can't fault anyone for their preference. And btw, I think all ME1 companions, except Ashley and maybe Wrex, were just a glorified info dumps.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 7, 2019 12:15:28 GMT
Can't say I agree with this. The first Mass Effect had its problems, sure, but it had multiple things that none of the follow-up games could match. Whether you agree with that or not, the first Mass Effect despite doing a lot of things wrong, did the most important things right. It's the reason the series became a success in the first place. Andromeda is a different beast that barely did anything right, which is why the series feels dead right now. If the first Mass Effect ever was like Andromeda, most likely the second game would have never been made... Comparing Andromeda to ME1 is a disservice to the Mass Effect name. They did two things right in Andromeda. Environmental graphics and the gameplay. One might think that those are two very important things in a game, but obviously those are not for the likes of Mass Effect. ME1 with its mediocre gameplay was vastly more successful, and with good reason. It had interesting villains, a great plot with great twists, an interesting world, interesting enough characters... All those are things that Andromeda lacks, and characters aside, the follow-up games created a mess of everything else. People like to say that the ending of ME3 killed Mass Effect, but honestly, it was the overhyped success of ME2 that started it. The game was praised even when it didn't deserve to be. The problems became fun memes rather than real criticism. The lack of plot coherence, the increase of absurd events and explanations (like killing off the protagonist and reviving him/her for no real reason), the linearity and claustrophobic feel, the ignoring of important plot points of the previous game... Ultimately, the whole franchise suffered from it. Both Andromeda and ME3 are attempts to improve on ME2's and implement elements from ME1. But it seems they still have no idea what made ME1 so good, because, they either implement the ME1 aspects badly, or simply implement the wrong things... ME2 improved three things mainly... The characters, the graphics and the gameplay. All the rest is inferior, so I cannot agree that the series 'grew' with the ME1 successors. The ones that played ME2 first (which is most likely the majority) ultimately feel that that is the best game of the franchise. But... For most people that played ME1 first, ME2 felt like a regression, despite the improvements. All that being said... I actually welcome an Andromeda successor. But I do not expect it to be a great game. There have been too many subsequent failures in BioWare's recent track record. Andromeda was a chance for them to redeem themselves after the ME3 ending, they failed. Then there was Anthem, which gave high expectations, and, well, we all know how that turned out. It was basically Andromeda V2. So... At this point, I cannot trust the next game to be great, be it Dragon Age or Mass Effect. But I'm still open to it, and it can work... The elephant in the room is still there though. As for N7 day... This is the first year where my care level is so "high", that I almost forgot it existed... So... Yeah. I'm not expecting anything really, although, almost anything is welcome, even though I'm extremely skeptical. I can't agree. ME1 is subpar to the rest Andromeda included. Andromeda is what ME1 should have been imho. Yea hfor me MEA would be wha twe got for ME1 I think if it were made today. For me the only thing ME1 matches the other gaes with isstory the rest is pretty weak compared with the other games. I played ME1 first even though I got 1 and 2 at the sam etime but I enjoyed the overall experiemnc eof 2 far more than I did ME1. Everything just played and felt generally better. Stil does tbh.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 7, 2019 12:29:56 GMT
Can't say I agree with this. The first Mass Effect had its problems, sure, but it had multiple things that none of the follow-up games could match. Whether you agree with that or not, the first Mass Effect despite doing a lot of things wrong, did the most important things right. It's the reason the series became a success in the first place. Andromeda is a different beast that barely did anything right, which is why the series feels dead right now. If the first Mass Effect ever was like Andromeda, most likely the second game would have never been made... Comparing Andromeda to ME1 is a disservice to the Mass Effect name. They did two things right in Andromeda. Environmental graphics and the gameplay. One might think that those are two very important things in a game, but obviously those are not for the likes of Mass Effect. ME1 with its mediocre gameplay was vastly more successful, and with good reason. It had interesting villains, a great plot with great twists, an interesting world, interesting enough characters... All those are things that Andromeda lacks, and characters aside, the follow-up games created a mess of everything else. People like to say that the ending of ME3 killed Mass Effect, but honestly, it was the overhyped success of ME2 that started it. The game was praised even when it didn't deserve to be. The problems became fun memes rather than real criticism. The lack of plot coherence, the increase of absurd events and explanations (like killing off the protagonist and reviving him/her for no real reason), the linearity and claustrophobic feel, the ignoring of important plot points of the previous game... Ultimately, the whole franchise suffered from it. Both Andromeda and ME3 are attempts to improve on ME2's and implement elements from ME1. But it seems they still have no idea what made ME1 so good, because, they either implement the ME1 aspects badly, or simply implement the wrong things... ME2 improved three things mainly... The characters, the graphics and the gameplay. All the rest is inferior, so I cannot agree that the series 'grew' with the ME1 successors. The ones that played ME2 first (which is most likely the majority) ultimately feel that that is the best game of the franchise. But... For most people that played ME1 first, ME2 felt like a regression, despite the improvements. All that being said... I actually welcome an Andromeda successor. But I do not expect it to be a great game. There have been too many subsequent failures in BioWare's recent track record. Andromeda was a chance for them to redeem themselves after the ME3 ending, they failed. Then there was Anthem, which gave high expectations, and, well, we all know how that turned out. It was basically Andromeda V2. So... At this point, I cannot trust the next game to be great, be it Dragon Age or Mass Effect. But I'm still open to it, and it can work... The elephant in the room is still there though. As for N7 day... This is the first year where my care level is so "high", that I almost forgot it existed... So... Yeah. I'm not expecting anything really, although, almost anything is welcome, even though I'm extremely skeptical. I can't agree with this. All you've said in this whole long diatribe is that YOU didn't find the characters and story in Andromeda interesting. You haven't (and actually no one here has) been able to objectively state WHY specifically the characters in Andromeda are subpar to the characters AS PRESENTED IN ME1. The characters in Andromeda had far more depth and we were given far more intricate insights into their backgrounds than we EVER got in ME1. The characters in ME1 are paper dolls by comparison. It was ME2 that brought actual character development into Mass Effect. Tali and Garrus would not even be characters had they not been fleshed out in ME2. With Jaal, we were not told about his politics or his family relationships in a single conversation of dialogue, we were SHOWN over several quests how interacted with his mentors (the Moshae) and his family (his brothers and sisters), and his old-time adversary (Aksul). We were shown his level of influence among his friends (in the Resistance) and others (while recruiting members for the Resistance). We were even shown in "dreams" - the star chart in his room. We were also snown multiple sides to PeeBee and Liam.
As for the story, Andromeda's story has a slow intro... but an immense potential to build into a great Trilogy. ME, on the other had opened with it's best story and then, as you suggest, fizzled on that front... leading directly to an ending that was disappointing and destined to be disappointing from the start BECAUSE ME1 kept alluding to "great things" that Bioware had no idea how to go about fulfilling. The "lofty" unknowable Reapers in ME1 only disappointed as we learned more about them, stripped of their mystery... in the end they became a small boy behaving badly, which stripped Shepard of his might. Andromeda makes no such lofty promises about the antagonist... so the trend can be that the enemies get more and more powerful as we unravel who they really are. However, I sincerely get the impression though that what ME fans wanted was to again just be told "this is unknowable and mysterious" for 50-100 hours with a "voodoo" power seeking to take over your mind in the universe... so they could just hype up that "mystery" in their own minds. (and throw in a few husks (read zombies... because any game with zombies sells... and the only real problem with the Kett is they weren't zombie enough to be zombies)... because that's ALL that ME1's story really did.
So, at some point, someone will remaster ME1. The bigger question is whether it will ultimately be as satisfying to the fans as they've built it up in their own minds to be. I'm betting not. I'm betting the "fans" will be more disappointed by a redone ME1 than they were by Andromeda... and saddened that I'm probably losing out on the potential to go farther into an entirely new story with Andromeda in the process. However, c'est la vie... life goes on.
Yeah we didn't really learn much about the characters at all in ME1 other than they were willing to tag along with you and lend a hand the only characters we really got to kno wwere the LI's Liara Ashley and Kaidan the rest merely came along for the ride. We only really got to know the others Garrus and Tali in later games. Whilst I liked all the characters we don't really learn too much about them in the first game. For example in ME1 all we learned about Garrus is that he's a Turian who worked for C sec so had military and police training. But that was all we learned about him.
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Post by tatann on Nov 7, 2019 12:56:32 GMT
I can't agree with this. All you've said in this whole long diatribe is that YOU didn't find the characters and story in Andromeda interesting. You haven't (and actually no one here has) been able to objectively state WHY specifically the characters in Andromeda are subpar to the characters AS PRESENTED IN ME1. The characters in Andromeda had far more depth and we were given far more intricate insights into their backgrounds than we EVER got in ME1. The characters in ME1 are paper dolls by comparison. It was ME2 that brought actual character development into Mass Effect. Tali and Garrus would not even be characters had they not been fleshed out in ME2. With Jaal, we were not told about his politics or his family relationships in a single conversation of dialogue, we were SHOWN over several quests how interacted with his mentors (the Moshae) and his family (his brothers and sisters), and his old-time adversary (Aksul). We were shown his level of influence among his friends (in the Resistance) and others (while recruiting members for the Resistance). We were even shown in "dreams" - the star chart in his room. We were also snown multiple sides to PeeBee and Liam.
As for the story, Andromeda's story has a slow intro... but an immense potential to build into a great Trilogy. ME, on the other had opened with it's best story and then, as you suggest, fizzled on that front... leading directly to an ending that was disappointing and destined to be disappointing from the start BECAUSE ME1 kept alluding to "great things" that Bioware had no idea how to go about fulfilling. The "lofty" unknowable Reapers in ME1 only disappointed as we learned more about them, stripped of their mystery... in the end they became a small boy behaving badly, which stripped Shepard of his might. Andromeda makes no such lofty promises about the antagonist... so the trend can be that the enemies get more and more powerful as we unravel who they really are. However, I sincerely get the impression though that what ME fans wanted was to again just be told "this is unknowable and mysterious" for 50-100 hours with a "voodoo" power seeking to take over your mind in the universe... so they could just hype up that "mystery" in their own minds. (and throw in a few husks (read zombies... because any game with zombies sells... and the only real problem with the Kett is they weren't zombie enough to be zombies)... because that's ALL that ME1's story really did.
So, at some point, someone will remaster ME1. The bigger question is whether it will ultimately be as satisfying to the fans as they've built it up in their own minds to be. I'm betting not. I'm betting the "fans" will be more disappointed by a redone ME1 than they were by Andromeda... and saddened that I'm probably losing out on the potential to go farther into an entirely new story with Andromeda in the process. However, c'est la vie... life goes on.
Yeah we didn't really learn much about the characters at all in ME1 other than they were willing to tag along with you and lend a hand the only characters we really got to kno wwere the LI's Liara Ashley and Kaidan the rest merely came along for the ride. We only really got to know the others Garrus and Tali in later games. Whilst I liked all the characters we don't really learn too much about them in the first game. For example in ME1 all we learned about Garrus is that he's a Turian who worked for C sec so had military and police training. But that was all we learned about him. Have you talked to Garrus outside of mission ? Or maybe I have a secret build version of the game with additional dialog PS : also, in the Mass Effect:Division expansion, you learn that Garrus, prior to working at C-sec, was an operator for the Division on Earth. Of course people could only hear his voice and not see his face. Obviously they would have freaked out, considering it was before First Contact PPS : sorry I got silly, it's N7 day guys \o/
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 7, 2019 13:07:27 GMT
Yeah we didn't really learn much about the characters at all in ME1 other than they were willing to tag along with you and lend a hand the only characters we really got to kno wwere the LI's Liara Ashley and Kaidan the rest merely came along for the ride. We only really got to know the others Garrus and Tali in later games. Whilst I liked all the characters we don't really learn too much about them in the first game. For example in ME1 all we learned about Garrus is that he's a Turian who worked for C sec so had military and police training. But that was all we learned about him. Have you talked to Garrus outside of mission ? Or maybe I have a secret build version of the game with additional dialog PS : also, in the Mass Effect:Division expansion, you learn that Garrus, prior to working at C-sec, was an operator for the Division on Earth. Of course people could only hear his voice and not see his face. Obviously they would have freaked out, considering it was before First Contact PPS : sorry I got silly, it's N7 day guys \o/ Yeah the only thing he really talks about is tha tSalarian doctor he was chasing after Saleon or whatever the rest is pretty much come on we need to catch Saren.
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Post by tatann on Nov 7, 2019 13:37:00 GMT
And the fact that he's not that fond of authority (father, superiors, ...) which is quite unique for a Turian But yeah, if you ignore dialog, you don't learn much from him. We should "interrogate" him in a C-sec backroom to learn more
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Post by Buckeldemon on Nov 7, 2019 13:44:25 GMT
Yeah the only thing he really talks about is tha tSalarian doctor he was chasing after Saleon or whatever the rest is pretty much come on we need to catch Saren. That does set up his character and the "law vs. his vision of justice" issue he keeps on carrying in ME2 though. Same for Tali, her daddy issues are also brought to light in ME. Both are consistent, unlike Liara who cannot decide what she wants until into LotSB. ME3 at least brought her somewhat back on track.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 7, 2019 14:13:16 GMT
Can't say I agree with this. The first Mass Effect had its problems, sure, but it had multiple things that none of the follow-up games could match. Whether you agree with that or not, the first Mass Effect despite doing a lot of things wrong, did the most important things right. It's the reason the series became a success in the first place. Andromeda is a different beast that barely did anything right, which is why the series feels dead right now. If the first Mass Effect ever was like Andromeda, most likely the second game would have never been made... Comparing Andromeda to ME1 is a disservice to the Mass Effect name.
They did two things right in Andromeda. Environmental graphics and the gameplay. One might think that those are two very important things in a game, but obviously those are not for the likes of Mass Effect. ME1 with its mediocre gameplay was vastly more successful, and with good reason. It had interesting villains, a great plot with great twists, an interesting world, interesting enough characters... All those are things that Andromeda lacks, and characters aside, the follow-up games created a mess of everything else.
People like to say that the ending of ME3 killed Mass Effect, but honestly, it was the overhyped success of ME2 that started it. The game was praised even when it didn't deserve to be. The problems became fun memes rather than real criticism. The lack of plot coherence, the increase of absurd events and explanations (like killing off the protagonist and reviving him/her for no real reason), the linearity and claustrophobic feel, the ignoring of important plot points of the previous game... Ultimately, the whole franchise suffered from it. Both Andromeda and ME3 are attempts to improve on ME2's and implement elements from ME1. But it seems they still have no idea what made ME1 so good, because, they either implement the ME1 aspects badly, or simply implement the wrong things...
ME2 improved three things mainly... The characters, the graphics and the gameplay. All the rest is inferior, so I cannot agree that the series 'grew' with the ME1 successors. The ones that played ME2 first (which is most likely the majority) ultimately feel that that is the best game of the franchise. But... For most people that played ME1 first, ME2 felt like a regression, despite the improvements.
All that being said... I actually welcome an Andromeda successor. But I do not expect it to be a great game. There have been too many subsequent failures in BioWare's recent track record. Andromeda was a chance for them to redeem themselves after the ME3 ending, they failed. Then there was Anthem, which gave high expectations, and, well, we all know how that turned out. It was basically Andromeda V2. So... At this point, I cannot trust the next game to be great, be it Dragon Age or Mass Effect. But I'm still open to it, and it can work... The elephant in the room is still there though.
As for N7 day... This is the first year where my care level is so "high", that I almost forgot it existed... So... Yeah. I'm not expecting anything really, although, almost anything is welcome, even though I'm extremely skeptical. I gave you a like. Why? As you can see, the rebuttal from folks who don't agree with what you posted about Andromeda
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Post by 10k on Nov 7, 2019 15:27:14 GMT
LOL I didn't even realize today was N7 day. I just saw a tweet from courtenay taylor pop up in my twitter feed wishing everyone a happy N7 day, and I was like "Oh yeah that is today isn't it" So maybe BW will stream Andromeda today lol, that's something to get pumped about.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 7, 2019 15:49:18 GMT
So, do some Anthem skins count as "nothing" for purposes of this thread?
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